1 00:01:06,736 --> 00:01:08,987 You did a wonderful job. Wonderful. 2 00:01:08,988 --> 00:01:11,448 Shh. Shh. 3 00:01:11,449 --> 00:01:12,949 We did it, Pete. We did it. 4 00:01:14,952 --> 00:01:16,745 - For a moment, we had our doubts. - Shh. 5 00:01:16,746 --> 00:01:20,248 To continue, you've listened to a long and complex case... 6 00:01:17,442 --> 00:01:19,735 Thank you very much, sir. 7 00:01:20,249 --> 00:01:22,125 murder in the first degree. 8 00:01:22,126 --> 00:01:27,172 A premeditated murder is the most serious charge tried in our criminal courts. 9 00:01:27,173 --> 00:01:29,007 You've listened to the testimony. 10 00:01:29,008 --> 00:01:32,010 You've had the law read to you and interpreted as it applies in this case. 11 00:01:32,011 --> 00:01:36,114 It's now your duty to sit down and try and separate the facts from the fancy. 12 00:01:36,932 --> 00:01:40,577 One man is dead. Another man's life is at stake. 13 00:01:41,270 --> 00:01:45,356 If there's a reasonable doubt in your minds as to the guilt of the accused... 14 00:01:45,357 --> 00:01:47,358 a reasonable doubt... 15 00:01:47,359 --> 00:01:50,236 then you must bring me a verdict of not guilty. 16 00:01:50,237 --> 00:01:52,197 Now if, however, there's no reasonable doubt... 17 00:01:52,198 --> 00:01:56,175 then you must in good conscience find the accused guilty. 18 00:01:57,203 --> 00:02:01,414 However you decide, your verdict must be unanimous. 19 00:02:01,415 --> 00:02:04,876 In the event that you find the accused guilty... 20 00:02:04,877 --> 00:02:08,296 the bench will not entertain a recommendation for mercy. 21 00:02:08,297 --> 00:02:11,591 The death sentence is mandatory in this case. 22 00:02:11,592 --> 00:02:15,403 You're faced with a grave responsibility. Thank you, gentlemen. 23 00:02:17,306 --> 00:02:19,449 The alternate jurors are excused. 24 00:02:25,356 --> 00:02:27,457 The jury will now retire. 25 00:04:25,351 --> 00:04:27,452 Try this one. See if I can get it... 26 00:04:28,687 --> 00:04:30,538 It's a muggy day. 27 00:04:33,692 --> 00:04:36,152 Hey. Oh, oh. 28 00:04:48,123 --> 00:04:50,291 - Piece of gum? - No, thanks. 29 00:04:50,292 --> 00:04:52,460 This thing is... 30 00:04:52,461 --> 00:04:54,187 - Huh? - ... move it. 31 00:04:55,714 --> 00:04:57,966 - Come on, I'll give you a hand. - Give me a hand with that. 32 00:04:57,967 --> 00:04:59,400 That's it. 33 00:05:04,932 --> 00:05:06,641 - You know something? - Yeah? 34 00:05:06,642 --> 00:05:08,476 I called the weather bureau this morning. 35 00:05:08,477 --> 00:05:10,478 This is gonna be the hottest day of the year. 36 00:05:10,479 --> 00:05:12,146 Could be. 37 00:05:12,147 --> 00:05:14,148 Boy, you'd think they'd at least air-condition these places. 38 00:05:14,149 --> 00:05:17,568 - What is your name, sir? - Oh, it's, uh... That one, yeah. 39 00:05:17,569 --> 00:05:19,070 Thank you very much. 40 00:05:19,071 --> 00:05:21,906 Okay, gentlemen, everybody's here. 41 00:05:21,907 --> 00:05:24,826 Now, if there's anything you want, I'll be right outside the door. 42 00:05:24,827 --> 00:05:27,178 - Just knock. - Okay, thanks. We will. 43 00:05:39,591 --> 00:05:40,883 Good morning. 44 00:05:40,884 --> 00:05:42,427 I never knew they locked the door. 45 00:05:42,428 --> 00:05:44,695 Sure they lock the door. What'd you think? 46 00:05:45,681 --> 00:05:48,199 I don't know. It just never occurred to me. 47 00:05:49,727 --> 00:05:51,602 What's that for? 48 00:05:51,603 --> 00:05:53,563 Oh, I thought we might want to vote by ballot. 49 00:05:53,564 --> 00:05:56,315 Great idea. Maybe we can get him elected senator. 50 00:05:58,485 --> 00:06:00,336 Just in case, you know. 51 00:06:03,741 --> 00:06:05,950 - How'd you like it? - Oh, I don't know. 52 00:06:05,951 --> 00:06:07,702 It was pretty interesting. 53 00:06:07,703 --> 00:06:09,746 Yeah? I almost fell asleep. 54 00:06:09,747 --> 00:06:12,415 I mean, I've never been on a jury before. 55 00:06:12,416 --> 00:06:15,226 No? I've sat on many juries. 56 00:06:16,295 --> 00:06:19,297 What gets me is the way those lawyers talk and talk and talk... 57 00:06:19,298 --> 00:06:21,549 even when it's an open-and-shut case like this one. 58 00:06:21,550 --> 00:06:23,342 Did you ever hear so much talk about nothin'? 59 00:06:23,343 --> 00:06:25,303 Well, I guess they're entitled. 60 00:06:25,304 --> 00:06:27,864 Yeah. They're entitled. It's the system, but... 61 00:06:28,974 --> 00:06:33,144 If you ask me, I'd slap those tough kids down before they start any trouble. 62 00:06:33,145 --> 00:06:35,313 It would save us a lot of time and money. 63 00:06:35,314 --> 00:06:36,939 - Hey, let's get started, huh? - That's a good idea. 64 00:06:36,940 --> 00:06:39,650 Yeah, let's get goin', huh? We probably all got things to do here. 65 00:06:39,651 --> 00:06:41,424 I figured we'd start out with a five-minute break. 66 00:06:41,450 --> 00:06:42,779 There's one gentleman in the bathroom. 67 00:06:42,780 --> 00:06:43,821 - Mr. Foreman. - Huh? 68 00:06:43,822 --> 00:06:46,699 - Are, uh... Are we gonna sit in order? - Gee, I don't know. 69 00:06:46,700 --> 00:06:48,551 I, uh... Well, I guess so. 70 00:06:53,457 --> 00:06:54,999 Uh, you're in my seat. 71 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,101 - Oh. Excuse me. - That's all right. 72 00:06:59,546 --> 00:07:01,397 Hey, that's not a bad view, huh? 73 00:07:04,927 --> 00:07:07,470 What did you think of the case? 74 00:07:07,471 --> 00:07:09,597 I mean, it had a lot of interest for me. 75 00:07:09,598 --> 00:07:12,825 No real... dead spots. You know what I mean? 76 00:07:13,602 --> 00:07:16,145 I tell you, we were lucky to get a murder case. 77 00:07:16,146 --> 00:07:18,189 I figured us for an assault or burglary. 78 00:07:18,190 --> 00:07:20,525 Boy, they can be the dullest. 79 00:07:22,027 --> 00:07:23,402 Hey. 80 00:07:23,403 --> 00:07:25,071 That the Woolworth Building? 81 00:07:25,072 --> 00:07:27,073 That's right. 82 00:07:27,074 --> 00:07:28,741 Isn't that funny? 83 00:07:28,742 --> 00:07:31,202 You know, I've lived here all my life. I've never been inside that. 84 00:07:31,203 --> 00:07:33,371 If you had to sort out all that junk... 85 00:07:33,372 --> 00:07:35,540 Like that thing with the movies. 86 00:07:35,541 --> 00:07:38,626 Yeah. You can say that again. And what about that business with the knife? 87 00:07:38,627 --> 00:07:41,587 I mean, asking grown-up people to believe that kind of jazz, huh? 88 00:07:41,588 --> 00:07:44,132 Well, I expected that. You know what we're dealing with. 89 00:07:44,133 --> 00:07:46,676 Yeah, I guess so. 90 00:07:46,677 --> 00:07:48,469 Well, your horn works. Now try your lights. 91 00:07:50,055 --> 00:07:51,597 - What do you got, a cold? - And how. 92 00:07:51,598 --> 00:07:53,891 These hot-weather colds can kill you. 93 00:07:53,892 --> 00:07:56,394 I can hardly touch my nose. You know what I mean? 94 00:07:56,395 --> 00:08:00,022 I sure do. I just got over one. 95 00:08:00,023 --> 00:08:02,296 Aw, come on. Mr. Foreman, let's go here, huh? 96 00:08:02,322 --> 00:08:04,569 Well, that guy's still in the bathroom. 97 00:08:04,570 --> 00:08:07,488 Hey, what's new? I didn't get a chance to see a paper this morning. 98 00:08:07,489 --> 00:08:08,656 Hmm? 99 00:08:08,657 --> 00:08:11,159 I was only wondering how the market closed. 100 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,953 You got a seat on the Exchange? 101 00:08:13,954 --> 00:08:15,788 I'm a broker. 102 00:08:15,789 --> 00:08:20,251 I run a messenger service... the Beck and Call Company. 103 00:08:20,252 --> 00:08:22,461 The name is my wife's idea. 104 00:08:22,462 --> 00:08:26,174 Got 37 men working. Started with nothing. 105 00:08:26,175 --> 00:08:29,427 Okay, men, let's take our seats, huh? 106 00:08:32,514 --> 00:08:34,432 Yeah, we can all get outta here pretty quick, huh? 107 00:08:34,433 --> 00:08:35,522 I don't know about the rest of you, 108 00:08:35,548 --> 00:08:37,727 but I happen to have tickets to that ball game tonight. 109 00:08:37,728 --> 00:08:39,645 Yanks and Cleveland. 110 00:08:39,646 --> 00:08:41,522 Yeah, we got this kid, Modjelewski, in there. 111 00:08:41,523 --> 00:08:43,274 Ooh, he's a real bull, this kid. 112 00:08:43,275 --> 00:08:45,484 You know... Phoom! 113 00:08:45,485 --> 00:08:47,820 A real jug handle. You know? 114 00:08:47,821 --> 00:08:50,156 Phoom! 115 00:08:50,157 --> 00:08:52,575 You're a real baseball fan, aren't you? Huh? Yeah. 116 00:08:52,576 --> 00:08:54,118 Where do we sit here? 117 00:08:54,119 --> 00:08:57,288 Well, I thought we'd sit in order, you know, by jury numbers. 118 00:08:57,289 --> 00:08:59,790 One, two, three, four, five... so on, around the table. 119 00:08:59,791 --> 00:09:01,125 If that's okay with you gentlemen. 120 00:09:01,126 --> 00:09:02,293 - Sure. - What's the difference? 121 00:09:02,294 --> 00:09:05,421 - I think it's reasonable to sit in order. - Let it be. 122 00:09:05,422 --> 00:09:07,757 - Number 12. Do I sit down here? - Yeah. That's 12. We go around... 123 00:09:07,758 --> 00:09:11,093 - We start with you. One, right? - One, yeah. Two, three, four, five, six. 124 00:09:11,094 --> 00:09:13,512 What was your impression of the prosecuting attorney? 125 00:09:13,513 --> 00:09:15,306 Okay. Two. You're two. 126 00:09:15,307 --> 00:09:16,557 I beg pardon? 127 00:09:16,558 --> 00:09:20,811 I thought he was really sharp, the way he handled all those points one by one. 128 00:09:20,812 --> 00:09:24,023 Logical sequence. I was very impressed. 129 00:09:24,024 --> 00:09:27,109 I think he... he did an expert job. 130 00:09:27,110 --> 00:09:30,196 A lot of drive too, you know? Real drive. 131 00:09:30,197 --> 00:09:31,931 Okay, fellas, can we hold it down a minute? 132 00:09:31,957 --> 00:09:32,365 Sure. 133 00:09:32,366 --> 00:09:34,033 Uh, fellas. 134 00:09:34,034 --> 00:09:37,595 Say, we'd like to get started. Gentleman at the window. 135 00:09:39,164 --> 00:09:41,415 - We'd like to get started. - Oh, I'm sorry. 136 00:09:41,416 --> 00:09:45,169 Pretty tough to figure, isn't it? Kid kills his father... bing, just like that. 137 00:09:45,170 --> 00:09:47,838 Aw, listen, you analyze the figures, you'll see it happens all the time. 138 00:09:47,839 --> 00:09:49,840 They let those kids run wild up there. 139 00:09:49,841 --> 00:09:52,635 Well, maybe it serves 'em right. You know what I mean? 140 00:09:52,636 --> 00:09:54,303 Is... Is everyone here? 141 00:09:54,304 --> 00:09:56,222 The old man is inside. 142 00:09:56,223 --> 00:09:58,933 Oh. Would you, uh, knock on the door for him? 143 00:09:58,934 --> 00:10:00,977 You a Yankee fan? 144 00:10:00,978 --> 00:10:02,620 No. Baltimore. 145 00:10:03,438 --> 00:10:05,039 - Baltimore? - Yeah. 146 00:10:06,233 --> 00:10:08,859 That's like being hit in the head with a crowbar once a day. 147 00:10:10,529 --> 00:10:11,862 Who have they got? 148 00:10:11,863 --> 00:10:14,365 No, I mean, who have they got besides good groundskeepers? 149 00:10:14,366 --> 00:10:15,992 Say, uh, we'd like to get started. 150 00:10:15,993 --> 00:10:19,136 Oh, forgive me, gentlemen. I... I didn't mean to keep you waiting. 151 00:10:19,830 --> 00:10:21,706 Baltimore? 152 00:10:21,707 --> 00:10:24,583 Okay, gentlemen, if I can have your attention. 153 00:10:24,584 --> 00:10:27,628 You fellas can handle this thing any way that you want to. 154 00:10:27,629 --> 00:10:30,214 I'm, um... You know, I'm not gonna make any rules. 155 00:10:30,215 --> 00:10:33,592 Uh, we can, well, discuss it first and, uh, then vote on it. 156 00:10:33,593 --> 00:10:36,345 That's, of course, uh... That's, uh, one way. 157 00:10:36,346 --> 00:10:39,390 And, uh, well, we can vote on it right now, and... 158 00:10:39,391 --> 00:10:41,976 I think it's customary to take a preliminary vote. 159 00:10:41,977 --> 00:10:45,646 Yeah, let's... Let's vote. Who knows? Maybe we all can get outta here, huh? 160 00:10:45,647 --> 00:10:47,440 Uh-huh. 161 00:10:47,441 --> 00:10:50,609 Okay, then I think that, uh... 162 00:10:50,610 --> 00:10:53,571 Of course you know that we have a first-degree murder charge here... 163 00:10:53,572 --> 00:10:55,740 and if we vote the accused guilty... 164 00:10:55,741 --> 00:10:59,076 uh, we've got to send him to the chair. 165 00:10:59,077 --> 00:11:02,913 - Um, that's mandatory. - I think we know that. 166 00:11:02,914 --> 00:11:04,749 - Let's see who's where. - We might as well. 167 00:11:04,750 --> 00:11:08,644 - Okay. Uh, anyone doesn't want to vote? - All right with me. 168 00:11:09,755 --> 00:11:14,425 Okay. Then, uh, just remember that this has to be 12 to nothing either way. 169 00:11:14,426 --> 00:11:15,968 Um, that's the law. 170 00:11:15,969 --> 00:11:18,095 Okay, are we ready? 171 00:11:18,096 --> 00:11:21,198 Now, all those voting guilty, please raise your hands. 172 00:11:25,103 --> 00:11:28,706 One, two, three, four, five, six, seven... 173 00:11:29,941 --> 00:11:32,610 eight, nine, 10, 11. 174 00:11:32,611 --> 00:11:35,613 Okay. That's 11 guilty. 175 00:11:35,614 --> 00:11:37,214 Those voting not guilty. 176 00:11:38,283 --> 00:11:40,451 One. Right. 177 00:11:40,452 --> 00:11:42,845 That's 11 guilty. One not guilty. 178 00:11:43,663 --> 00:11:45,331 Well, now we know where we are. 179 00:11:45,332 --> 00:11:49,602 Boy, oh, boy. There's always one. 180 00:11:50,045 --> 00:11:52,421 So, what do we do now? 181 00:11:52,422 --> 00:11:54,340 Well, I guess we talk. 182 00:11:54,341 --> 00:11:55,758 Boy, oh, boy. 183 00:11:55,759 --> 00:11:57,693 You really think he's innocent? 184 00:12:01,056 --> 00:12:02,681 I don't know. 185 00:12:02,682 --> 00:12:05,643 I mean, you sat in court with the rest of us. You heard what we did. 186 00:12:05,644 --> 00:12:07,853 The kid's a dangerous killer. You could see it. 187 00:12:07,854 --> 00:12:09,563 He's 18 years old. 188 00:12:09,564 --> 00:12:11,732 Well, that's old enough. He... 189 00:12:11,733 --> 00:12:14,485 He stabbed his own father four inches into the chest. 190 00:12:14,486 --> 00:12:16,821 They proved it a dozen different ways in court. 191 00:12:16,822 --> 00:12:19,448 Would you like me to list them for you? 192 00:12:19,449 --> 00:12:20,825 No. 193 00:12:20,826 --> 00:12:22,993 Then what do you want? 194 00:12:22,994 --> 00:12:25,996 - I just want to talk. - What's there to talk about? 195 00:12:25,997 --> 00:12:27,415 Eleven men in here think he's guilty. 196 00:12:27,416 --> 00:12:29,750 No one had to think about it twice except you. 197 00:12:29,751 --> 00:12:33,045 I want to ask you something. Do you believe his story? 198 00:12:33,046 --> 00:12:35,840 I don't know whether I believe it or not. Maybe I don't. 199 00:12:35,841 --> 00:12:37,508 So how come you vote not guilty? 200 00:12:37,509 --> 00:12:39,510 Well, there were 11 votes for guilty. 201 00:12:39,511 --> 00:12:42,346 It's not easy to raise my hand and send a boy off to die... 202 00:12:42,347 --> 00:12:44,515 without talking about it first. 203 00:12:44,516 --> 00:12:47,034 - Well, now, who says it's easy? - No one. 204 00:12:48,228 --> 00:12:50,479 What, just because I voted fast? 205 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,982 I honestly think the guy's guilty. 206 00:12:52,983 --> 00:12:55,860 You couldn't change my mind if you talked for a hundred years. 207 00:12:55,861 --> 00:12:57,962 I'm not trying to change your mind. It's just that... 208 00:12:58,447 --> 00:13:00,781 We're talking about somebody's life here. 209 00:13:00,782 --> 00:13:02,950 We can't decide it in five minutes. Supposing we're wrong. 210 00:13:02,951 --> 00:13:04,452 "Supposing we're wrong." 211 00:13:04,453 --> 00:13:06,537 Supposing this whole building should fall down on my head. 212 00:13:06,538 --> 00:13:08,639 - You can suppose anything. - That's right. 213 00:13:09,374 --> 00:13:11,208 Look, what's the difference how long it takes? 214 00:13:11,209 --> 00:13:13,878 Suppose we do it in five minutes. So what? 215 00:13:13,879 --> 00:13:16,088 Let's take an hour. 216 00:13:16,089 --> 00:13:18,107 The ball game doesn't start till 8:00. 217 00:13:20,719 --> 00:13:21,986 Hmm? 218 00:13:24,055 --> 00:13:25,973 Who's got something to say? 219 00:13:25,974 --> 00:13:27,475 I'm willing to sit for an hour. 220 00:13:27,476 --> 00:13:30,269 Great. I heard a pretty good story last night. 221 00:13:30,270 --> 00:13:32,454 That's not why we're sitting here. 222 00:13:33,064 --> 00:13:36,709 All right, then you tell me. What are we sitting here for? 223 00:13:37,861 --> 00:13:39,795 I don't know. Maybe no reason. 224 00:13:40,697 --> 00:13:44,241 Look, this kid's been kicked around all of his life... 225 00:13:44,242 --> 00:13:48,245 you know, born in a slum, mother dead since he was nine. 226 00:13:48,246 --> 00:13:50,539 He lived for a year and a half in an orphanage when his... 227 00:13:50,540 --> 00:13:53,542 his father was serving a jail term for forgery. 228 00:13:53,543 --> 00:13:55,961 It's not a very happy beginning. 229 00:13:55,962 --> 00:13:58,172 He's a... a wild, angry kid. 230 00:13:58,173 --> 00:13:59,965 That's all he's ever been. And you know why? 231 00:13:59,966 --> 00:14:03,761 'Cause he's been hit on the head by somebody once a day every day. 232 00:14:03,762 --> 00:14:06,055 He's had a... He's had a pretty miserable 18 years. 233 00:14:06,056 --> 00:14:09,099 I... I just think we owe him a few words. That's all. 234 00:14:09,100 --> 00:14:12,728 I don't mind telling you this, mister. We don't owe him a thing. 235 00:14:12,729 --> 00:14:15,898 He got a fair trial, didn't he? What do you think that trial cost? 236 00:14:15,899 --> 00:14:17,863 He's lucky he got it. You know what I mean? 237 00:14:17,889 --> 00:14:21,487 - You know it. - Now, look, we're all grown-ups in here. 238 00:14:21,488 --> 00:14:23,447 We heard the facts, didn't we? 239 00:14:23,448 --> 00:14:27,326 You're not gonna tell me that we're supposed to believe this kid, knowing what he is. 240 00:14:27,327 --> 00:14:29,787 Listen, I've lived among them all my life. 241 00:14:29,788 --> 00:14:33,207 You can't believe a word they say. You know that. 242 00:14:33,208 --> 00:14:35,125 I mean, they're born liars. 243 00:14:35,126 --> 00:14:38,546 - Only an ignorant man can believe that. - Now listen... 244 00:14:38,547 --> 00:14:41,465 Do you think you were born with a monopoly on the truth? 245 00:14:41,466 --> 00:14:44,134 I think certain things should be pointed out to this man. 246 00:14:44,135 --> 00:14:46,303 Come on. This isn't Sunday. We don't need a sermon. 247 00:14:46,304 --> 00:14:48,656 Come on. We have a job to do. Now let's do it. 248 00:14:49,599 --> 00:14:52,743 Rice Pops. It's a product I work on at the agency. 249 00:14:53,478 --> 00:14:56,188 "The breakfast with the built-in bounce." 250 00:14:56,189 --> 00:14:57,898 - I wrote that line. - Very catchy. 251 00:14:57,899 --> 00:15:00,150 - Yeah. - Say, do you mind? 252 00:15:00,151 --> 00:15:01,944 Oh, I'm sorry. 253 00:15:01,945 --> 00:15:04,488 I have this habit of doodling. Keeps me thinking clearly. 254 00:15:04,489 --> 00:15:06,282 Yeah, we have all this work to do. 255 00:15:06,283 --> 00:15:08,075 - There's no point staying here forever. - Sorry. 256 00:15:08,076 --> 00:15:08,909 Okay. Um... 257 00:15:08,910 --> 00:15:10,369 Okay. Um... 258 00:15:10,370 --> 00:15:14,248 perhaps if the gentleman down there who's disagreeing with us... 259 00:15:14,249 --> 00:15:17,626 Well, perhaps you could tell us why. You know, let us know what you're thinking. 260 00:15:17,627 --> 00:15:20,087 And we might be able to show you where you're mixed up. 261 00:15:20,088 --> 00:15:21,839 Well, look, maybe... Maybe this is an idea. 262 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,341 Now, I haven't given it much thought, but it seems to me... 263 00:15:24,342 --> 00:15:26,696 that it's up to the group of us to convince 264 00:15:26,722 --> 00:15:28,846 this gentleman that he's wrong and we're right. 265 00:15:28,847 --> 00:15:31,490 Now, maybe if we each took a couple of minutes just to... 266 00:15:32,809 --> 00:15:34,310 Well, it was just a quick idea. 267 00:15:34,311 --> 00:15:35,853 No, no, no. That's a good one. 268 00:15:35,854 --> 00:15:39,023 Uh, suppose we go once around the table. 269 00:15:39,024 --> 00:15:41,984 - I guess you're first. - Oh. 270 00:15:41,985 --> 00:15:43,419 Well, uh... 271 00:15:44,863 --> 00:15:47,381 Well, it-it's hard to put into words. 272 00:15:48,325 --> 00:15:50,409 I just think he's guilty. 273 00:15:50,410 --> 00:15:52,995 I thought it was obvious from the word "go." 274 00:15:52,996 --> 00:15:54,580 I mean, nobody proved otherwise. 275 00:15:54,581 --> 00:15:56,206 Nobody has to prove otherwise. 276 00:15:56,207 --> 00:15:58,542 The burden of proof's on the prosecution. 277 00:15:58,543 --> 00:16:01,086 The defendant doesn't even have to open his mouth. 278 00:16:01,087 --> 00:16:04,298 - That's in the Constitution. - Oh, well, sure, I know that. 279 00:16:04,299 --> 00:16:06,358 Uh, what I meant was, is... 280 00:16:08,053 --> 00:16:10,137 Well, I just think he's guilty. 281 00:16:10,138 --> 00:16:11,930 I-I mean, somebody saw him do it. 282 00:16:11,931 --> 00:16:17,061 Okay. Uh, here's what I think, and I have no personal feelings about this. 283 00:16:17,062 --> 00:16:19,329 I just want to talk about facts. 284 00:16:20,231 --> 00:16:22,458 Number one. 285 00:16:22,901 --> 00:16:27,112 The old man lived downstairs under the room where the killing took place. 286 00:16:27,113 --> 00:16:29,323 At 10 minutes after 12:00 on the night of the killing... 287 00:16:29,324 --> 00:16:33,077 he heard loud noises, said it sounded like a fight. 288 00:16:33,078 --> 00:16:36,038 And he heard the kid yell out, "I'm gonna kill ya." 289 00:16:36,039 --> 00:16:38,415 A second later, he heard a body hit the floor. 290 00:16:38,416 --> 00:16:40,209 Ran to the door, opened it up... 291 00:16:40,210 --> 00:16:42,711 saw the kid running down the stairs and out of the house. 292 00:16:42,712 --> 00:16:44,088 Called the police. 293 00:16:44,089 --> 00:16:46,840 They came in, found the old man with a knife in his chest. 294 00:16:46,841 --> 00:16:50,177 The coroner fixed the time of death around midnight. 295 00:16:50,178 --> 00:16:53,347 Now these are facts. You can't refute facts. 296 00:16:53,348 --> 00:16:55,599 The kid is guilty. 297 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,685 I'm just as sentimental as the next fella. 298 00:16:57,686 --> 00:17:01,647 I know he's only 18, but he's still gotta pay for what he did. 299 00:17:01,648 --> 00:17:03,190 I'm with you. 300 00:17:03,191 --> 00:17:05,818 Okay. Are you finished? 301 00:17:05,819 --> 00:17:07,361 - Yeah. - Right. Next. 302 00:17:07,362 --> 00:17:10,656 It is obvious, to me anyway, that the boy's entire story was flimsy. 303 00:17:10,657 --> 00:17:12,950 He claimed he was at the movies during the time of the killing... 304 00:17:12,951 --> 00:17:15,577 and yet, one hour later, he couldn't remember the names of the films he saw... 305 00:17:15,578 --> 00:17:17,496 - or who played in them. - That's right. 306 00:17:17,497 --> 00:17:19,873 And no one saw him going in or out of the theater. 307 00:17:19,874 --> 00:17:21,583 Listen, what about the woman across the street? 308 00:17:21,584 --> 00:17:23,961 If her testimony don't prove it, nothing does. 309 00:17:23,962 --> 00:17:26,380 That's right. She was the one who actually saw the killing. 310 00:17:26,381 --> 00:17:28,882 Now, fellas, please. Let's go in order here, huh? 311 00:17:28,883 --> 00:17:32,219 Just a minute. Here's a woman... 312 00:17:32,220 --> 00:17:34,763 Here's a woman who was lying in bed. She can't sleep. 313 00:17:34,764 --> 00:17:36,765 She's dying with the heat. You know what I mean? 314 00:17:36,766 --> 00:17:38,684 Anyway, she looks out the window... 315 00:17:38,685 --> 00:17:42,354 and right across the street she sees the kid stick the knife into his father. 316 00:17:42,355 --> 00:17:45,315 The time is 12:10 on the nose. 317 00:17:45,316 --> 00:17:49,194 Everything fits. Look, she's known the kid all his life. 318 00:17:49,195 --> 00:17:51,405 His window is right opposite hers across the el tracks... 319 00:17:51,406 --> 00:17:53,157 and she swore she saw him do it. 320 00:17:53,158 --> 00:17:55,359 Through the windows of the passing el train. 321 00:17:55,385 --> 00:18:00,164 Right. This el train had no passengers on it. It was just being moved downtown. 322 00:18:00,165 --> 00:18:03,167 The lights were out, remember? And they proved in court that, at night... 323 00:18:03,168 --> 00:18:05,669 you can look through the windows of an el train when the lights are out... 324 00:18:05,670 --> 00:18:08,088 and see what's happening on the other side. 325 00:18:08,089 --> 00:18:11,008 - They proved it. - I'd like to ask you something. 326 00:18:11,009 --> 00:18:13,761 You don't believe the boy's story. How come you believe the woman's? 327 00:18:13,762 --> 00:18:15,612 She's one of them too, isn't she? 328 00:18:18,183 --> 00:18:20,267 You're a pretty smart fella, aren't you? 329 00:18:20,268 --> 00:18:21,769 - Okay, gentlemen. - Now, now. 330 00:18:21,770 --> 00:18:24,062 - Now, gentlemen. - Come on. Sit down. Sit down. 331 00:18:24,063 --> 00:18:26,690 Oh, what's he so wise about? I'm telling you. 332 00:18:26,691 --> 00:18:30,027 Okay, now come on. Now we're not gonna get anywhere fighting. 333 00:18:30,028 --> 00:18:31,361 Whose turn is it next? 334 00:18:31,362 --> 00:18:34,298 Oh, uh, his. Number five. 335 00:18:36,451 --> 00:18:39,303 Okay, may I... Can I pass? it... 336 00:18:39,996 --> 00:18:42,122 Well, uh, that's your privilege. 337 00:18:42,123 --> 00:18:45,334 Uh, how about the next gentleman? 338 00:18:45,335 --> 00:18:48,086 Oh. Well, uh, I don't know. 339 00:18:48,087 --> 00:18:52,399 I started to be convinced, you know, very early in the case. 340 00:18:52,884 --> 00:18:57,095 You see, I was looking for a motive. That's very important. 341 00:18:57,096 --> 00:19:01,391 Because if you don't have a motive, where's your case, right? 342 00:19:01,392 --> 00:19:04,561 Anyway, that, uh, testimony from those people... 343 00:19:04,562 --> 00:19:07,689 in the apartment across the hall from the kid's apartment... 344 00:19:07,690 --> 00:19:10,025 that was very powerful. 345 00:19:10,026 --> 00:19:12,903 Didn't they say something about a... a fight and an argument... 346 00:19:12,904 --> 00:19:17,407 between the old man and his son around about, uh, 7:00 that night? 347 00:19:17,408 --> 00:19:19,952 - I mean, I could be wrong, but I... - It was 8:00. 348 00:19:19,953 --> 00:19:22,079 It was 8:00. That's right. They heard an argument. 349 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:23,914 They couldn't hear what it was about. 350 00:19:23,915 --> 00:19:25,958 Then they heard the father hit the boy twice. 351 00:19:25,959 --> 00:19:28,072 Finally they saw the boy run... 352 00:19:28,098 --> 00:19:30,671 angrily out of the house. What does that prove? 353 00:19:30,672 --> 00:19:34,424 Well, it don't exactly prove anything. It's just part of the picture. 354 00:19:34,425 --> 00:19:37,427 Well, you said it provided a motive. The prosecuting attorney said the same thing. 355 00:19:37,428 --> 00:19:39,763 I don't think that was a very strong motive. 356 00:19:39,764 --> 00:19:43,433 This boy's been hit so many times in his life that violence is practically a... 357 00:19:43,434 --> 00:19:45,894 It's a normal state of affairs with him. 358 00:19:45,895 --> 00:19:50,190 I just... I can't see two slaps in the face provoking him into committing murder. 359 00:19:50,191 --> 00:19:53,877 It may have been two too many. Everyone has a breaking point. 360 00:19:56,322 --> 00:19:58,490 Anything else? 361 00:19:58,491 --> 00:20:01,034 - No. - Okay. 362 00:20:01,035 --> 00:20:02,886 Uh, how about you? 363 00:20:04,622 --> 00:20:06,682 I don't know. It's all been said. 364 00:20:08,126 --> 00:20:10,852 You can talk here forever. It's still the same thing. 365 00:20:11,963 --> 00:20:15,007 This kid is five for 0. 366 00:20:15,008 --> 00:20:16,967 Well, look at his record. 367 00:20:16,968 --> 00:20:19,261 When he was 10, he was in children's court. 368 00:20:19,262 --> 00:20:21,138 He threw a rock at a teacher. 369 00:20:21,139 --> 00:20:23,515 When he was 15, he was in reform school. 370 00:20:23,516 --> 00:20:25,434 He stole a car. 371 00:20:25,435 --> 00:20:28,020 He's been arrested for mugging. 372 00:20:28,021 --> 00:20:30,105 He was picked up twice for knife fighting. 373 00:20:30,106 --> 00:20:32,274 Oh, yeah, they say he's real handy with a knife. 374 00:20:32,275 --> 00:20:35,152 Oh, this is a very fine boy. 375 00:20:35,153 --> 00:20:38,238 Ever since he was five years old, his father beat him up regularly. 376 00:20:38,239 --> 00:20:40,741 - He used his fists. - Well, so would I. 377 00:20:40,742 --> 00:20:42,326 A kid like that? 378 00:20:42,327 --> 00:20:45,595 It's these kids, the way they are nowadays. 379 00:20:47,999 --> 00:20:51,268 When I was a kid, I used to call my father "sir." 380 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,295 That's right. "Sir." 381 00:20:53,296 --> 00:20:55,339 Do you ever hear a kid call his father that any more? 382 00:20:55,340 --> 00:20:57,941 Fathers don't seem to think it's important any more. 383 00:20:58,635 --> 00:21:00,777 - You got any kids? - Three. 384 00:21:02,055 --> 00:21:03,488 I got one. 385 00:21:04,891 --> 00:21:06,742 Twenty-two years old. 386 00:21:12,774 --> 00:21:15,625 When he was nine years old, he ran away from a fight. 387 00:21:17,236 --> 00:21:20,505 I saw it. I was so embarrassed I almost threw up. 388 00:21:22,075 --> 00:21:26,803 I said, "I'm gonna make a man out of you if I have to break you in two trying." 389 00:21:29,207 --> 00:21:31,224 Well, I made a man out of him. 390 00:21:32,126 --> 00:21:34,394 When he was 16, we had a fight. 391 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,356 Hit me in the jaw. He was a big kid. 392 00:21:41,678 --> 00:21:43,862 Haven't seen him for two years. 393 00:21:45,682 --> 00:21:48,075 Kids. 394 00:21:49,686 --> 00:21:51,745 Work your heart out. 395 00:21:54,232 --> 00:21:55,565 Well, let's get going. 396 00:21:55,566 --> 00:21:57,985 I think we're missing the point here. 397 00:21:57,986 --> 00:22:01,488 This boy, let's say he's the product of a broken home and a filthy neighborhood. 398 00:22:01,489 --> 00:22:05,158 We can't help that. We're here to decide whether he's innocent or guilty... 399 00:22:05,159 --> 00:22:08,161 not to go into the reasons why he grew up the way he did. 400 00:22:08,162 --> 00:22:10,956 He was born in a slum. Slums are breeding grounds for criminals. 401 00:22:10,957 --> 00:22:12,916 I know it, and so do you. 402 00:22:12,917 --> 00:22:15,175 It's no secret children from slum backgrounds 403 00:22:15,201 --> 00:22:17,413 are potential menaces to society. 404 00:22:17,714 --> 00:22:19,965 - Now I think... - Brother, you can say that again. 405 00:22:19,966 --> 00:22:22,236 The kids who crawl out of these places are real trash. 406 00:22:22,262 --> 00:22:25,466 - I don't want any part of them. I'm telling you. - Listen, mister. Listen. 407 00:22:25,492 --> 00:22:27,561 I, uh... I've lived in a slum all my life. 408 00:22:27,587 --> 00:22:29,425 - Wait a minute. - Please, I... 409 00:22:29,451 --> 00:22:32,227 I played in backyards that were filled with garbage. 410 00:22:32,228 --> 00:22:34,354 I mean, maybe you can still smell it on me. 411 00:22:34,355 --> 00:22:35,772 Now, listen, sonny. 412 00:22:35,773 --> 00:22:37,441 Come on now. There's nothing personal about this. 413 00:22:37,442 --> 00:22:40,068 - No, there was something personal. - Aw, come on, fella. He didn't mean you. 414 00:22:40,069 --> 00:22:42,237 Let's not be so sensitive. 415 00:22:42,238 --> 00:22:44,156 This sensitivity I can understand. 416 00:22:44,157 --> 00:22:48,885 Okay, look, let's stop the arguing. We're only wasting time, and... 417 00:22:49,954 --> 00:22:52,180 Look, your turn down there. Let's go. 418 00:22:53,416 --> 00:22:56,334 Oh, I didn't expect a turn. I thought you were all gonna try to convince me. 419 00:22:56,335 --> 00:22:58,170 - Wasn't that the idea? - Check. That was the idea. 420 00:22:58,171 --> 00:23:00,464 - Oh, I forgot about that. He's right. - What difference does it make? 421 00:23:00,465 --> 00:23:02,883 He's the one who's keeping us in here. Let's hear what he's got to say. 422 00:23:02,884 --> 00:23:05,677 Oh, now wait a minute. We decided to do this a certain way. 423 00:23:05,678 --> 00:23:07,387 I think we ought to stick to that way. 424 00:23:07,388 --> 00:23:09,473 Oh, stop being a kid, will you? 425 00:23:09,474 --> 00:23:11,558 - What do you mean "a kid"? - What do you think I mean? 426 00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:13,285 K-I-D. Kid. 427 00:23:15,772 --> 00:23:19,524 What? Listen, just because I'm trying to keep this thing organized? 428 00:23:19,525 --> 00:23:21,735 Here, you take it. You take on the responsibility. 429 00:23:21,736 --> 00:23:23,695 I'll just... I'll keep my mouth shut. That's all. 430 00:23:23,696 --> 00:23:25,781 What are you getting so hot about? Calm down, will you? 431 00:23:25,782 --> 00:23:27,199 Don't tell me to calm down. 432 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,409 Here. You wanna take the chair, just take the chair. That's all. 433 00:23:29,410 --> 00:23:31,953 - Did you ever see such a thing? - See if you can keep it running. 434 00:23:31,954 --> 00:23:33,209 Listen, you think it's funny or something? 435 00:23:33,235 --> 00:23:35,665 Hey, forget it, fella. The whole thing's unimportant. Come on. 436 00:23:35,666 --> 00:23:38,877 - Unimportant? Oh, here, you try it. - No, nobody wants to change. 437 00:23:38,878 --> 00:23:40,712 You're doing a beautiful job. Sit down. 438 00:23:40,713 --> 00:23:43,632 Yeah, you're doing great. Just great, fella. 439 00:23:43,633 --> 00:23:45,609 You stay in there and pitch. You know? 440 00:23:46,469 --> 00:23:48,778 All right. Let's hear from somebody. 441 00:23:50,181 --> 00:23:54,351 Well, if you want me to tell you how I feel about it, it's all right with me. 442 00:23:54,352 --> 00:23:56,561 Boy, I don't care what you do. 443 00:23:56,562 --> 00:23:59,523 All right, I don't have anything brilliant. 444 00:23:59,524 --> 00:24:01,733 I only know as much as you do. 445 00:24:01,734 --> 00:24:05,570 According to the testimony, the boy looks guilty. Maybe he is. 446 00:24:05,571 --> 00:24:09,841 I sat there in court for six days listening while the evidence built up. 447 00:24:10,368 --> 00:24:12,160 Everybody sounded so positive, you know? 448 00:24:12,161 --> 00:24:14,704 I-I began to get a peculiar feeling about this trial. 449 00:24:14,705 --> 00:24:16,873 I mean, nothing is that positive. 450 00:24:16,874 --> 00:24:19,084 There are a lot of questions I'd have liked to ask. 451 00:24:19,085 --> 00:24:21,878 I don't know. Maybe they wouldn't have meant anything, but... 452 00:24:21,879 --> 00:24:23,922 I began to get the feeling that the defense counsel... 453 00:24:23,923 --> 00:24:26,508 wasn't conducting a thorough-enough cross-examination. 454 00:24:26,509 --> 00:24:29,970 I mean, he... he let too many things go by, little things that... 455 00:24:29,971 --> 00:24:32,806 What little things? Listen, when these fellas don't ask questions... 456 00:24:32,807 --> 00:24:35,392 it's because they know the answers already and they figure they'll be hurt. 457 00:24:35,393 --> 00:24:39,396 Maybe it's also possible for a lawyer to be just plain stupid, isn't it? 458 00:24:39,397 --> 00:24:40,772 I mean it's possible. 459 00:24:40,773 --> 00:24:42,574 You sound like you met my brother-in-law once. 460 00:24:45,528 --> 00:24:48,338 I... I kept putting myself in the kid's place. 461 00:24:50,074 --> 00:24:52,284 I'd have asked for another lawyer, I think. 462 00:24:52,285 --> 00:24:54,911 I mean, if I was on trial for my life... 463 00:24:54,912 --> 00:24:59,791 I'd want my lawyer to tear the prosecution witnesses to shreds, or at least try to. 464 00:24:59,792 --> 00:25:03,853 Look, there was one alleged eyewitness to this killing. 465 00:25:04,297 --> 00:25:07,757 Someone else claims he heard the killing, saw the boy run out afterwards. 466 00:25:07,758 --> 00:25:09,968 And there was a lot of circumstantial evidence. 467 00:25:09,969 --> 00:25:13,555 But actually, those two witnesses were the entire case for the prosecution. 468 00:25:13,556 --> 00:25:15,432 Supposing they're wrong. 469 00:25:15,433 --> 00:25:17,309 What do you mean supposing they're wrong? 470 00:25:17,310 --> 00:25:19,269 What's the point of having witnesses at all? 471 00:25:19,270 --> 00:25:21,980 - Could they be wrong? - What are you trying to say? 472 00:25:21,981 --> 00:25:23,607 Those people sat on the stand under oath. 473 00:25:23,608 --> 00:25:25,233 They're only people. People make mistakes. 474 00:25:25,234 --> 00:25:27,043 Could they be wrong? 475 00:25:27,737 --> 00:25:30,739 - Well, no, I don't think so. - Do you know so? 476 00:25:30,740 --> 00:25:32,657 Oh, come on. Nobody can know a thing like that. 477 00:25:32,658 --> 00:25:34,451 This isn't an exact science. 478 00:25:34,452 --> 00:25:35,885 That's right. It isn't. 479 00:25:40,958 --> 00:25:43,793 Okay, let... Let's get to the point. 480 00:25:43,794 --> 00:25:46,463 What about the switch knife they found in the old man's chest? 481 00:25:46,464 --> 00:25:48,965 Uh, wait-wait a minute. There's some people who haven't talked yet. 482 00:25:48,966 --> 00:25:51,051 - Shouldn't we go in order? - They'll get a chance to talk. 483 00:25:51,052 --> 00:25:53,470 Be quiet a second, will you? 484 00:25:53,471 --> 00:25:54,846 What about it, this... 485 00:25:54,847 --> 00:25:58,391 the knife this fine upright boy admitted buying the night of the killing? 486 00:25:58,392 --> 00:25:59,809 Let's talk about it. 487 00:25:59,810 --> 00:26:02,145 All right, let's talk about it. Let's get it in here and look at it. 488 00:26:02,146 --> 00:26:03,980 I'd like to see it again. Mr. Foreman? 489 00:26:03,981 --> 00:26:07,150 We all saw what it looks like. Why do we have to see it again? 490 00:26:07,151 --> 00:26:09,271 The gentleman has a right to see exhibits in evidence. 491 00:26:11,322 --> 00:26:12,864 Say, could you bring us the knife? 492 00:26:12,865 --> 00:26:14,758 - Knife? - Yeah. Thank you. 493 00:26:16,327 --> 00:26:19,663 The knife and the way it was bought is pretty strong evidence, don't you think? 494 00:26:19,664 --> 00:26:21,414 - I do. - Good. 495 00:26:21,415 --> 00:26:24,000 Now, suppose we take these facts one at a time. 496 00:26:24,001 --> 00:26:27,337 One. The boy admitted going out of the house at 8:00 on the night of the murder... 497 00:26:27,338 --> 00:26:29,339 after being slapped several times by his father. 498 00:26:29,340 --> 00:26:32,175 No, no. No, he didn't say "slapped." He said "punched." 499 00:26:32,176 --> 00:26:34,678 There's a difference between a slap and a punch. 500 00:26:34,679 --> 00:26:37,347 After being hit several times by his father. 501 00:26:37,348 --> 00:26:39,683 Two. He went directly to a neighborhood junk shop... 502 00:26:39,684 --> 00:26:41,893 - where he bought one of those... - Switch knives. 503 00:26:41,894 --> 00:26:43,979 Switchblade knives. 504 00:26:43,980 --> 00:26:45,855 This wasn't what you'd call an ordinary knife. 505 00:26:45,856 --> 00:26:48,441 It had a very unusual carved handle and blade. 506 00:26:48,442 --> 00:26:50,026 The storekeeper who sold it to him... 507 00:26:50,027 --> 00:26:53,238 said it was the only one of its kind he had ever had in stock. 508 00:26:53,239 --> 00:26:57,075 Three. He met some friends of his in front of a tavern about 8:45. 509 00:26:57,076 --> 00:26:58,660 Am I right so far? 510 00:26:58,661 --> 00:27:00,870 - Yes, you are. - You bet he is. 511 00:27:00,871 --> 00:27:04,124 He talked with his friends for about an hour, leaving them at 9:45. 512 00:27:04,125 --> 00:27:07,168 During this time, they saw the switch knife. 513 00:27:07,169 --> 00:27:09,045 Four. 514 00:27:09,046 --> 00:27:11,548 They identified the death weapon in court... 515 00:27:11,549 --> 00:27:14,134 as that very same knife. 516 00:27:14,135 --> 00:27:17,012 Five. He arrived home at about 10:00. 517 00:27:17,013 --> 00:27:19,431 Now this is where the stories offered by the State and the boy... 518 00:27:19,432 --> 00:27:21,433 begin to diverge slightly. 519 00:27:21,434 --> 00:27:24,102 He claims that he went to a movie at about 11:30... 520 00:27:24,103 --> 00:27:28,231 returning home at 3:10 to find his father dead and himself arrested. 521 00:27:28,232 --> 00:27:30,358 He also claims that the two detectives who arrested him... 522 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,736 threw him down a half a flight of stairs. 523 00:27:32,737 --> 00:27:34,654 Now, what happened to the switch knife? 524 00:27:34,655 --> 00:27:37,365 He claims that it fell through a hole in his pocket on the way to the movies... 525 00:27:37,366 --> 00:27:42,120 sometime between 11:30 and 3:10 and that he never saw it again. 526 00:27:42,121 --> 00:27:44,164 Now there's a tale, gentlemen. 527 00:27:44,165 --> 00:27:47,751 I think it's quite clear that the boy never went to the movies that night. 528 00:27:47,752 --> 00:27:49,794 No one in the house saw him go out at 11:30. 529 00:27:49,795 --> 00:27:51,379 No one at the theater identified him. 530 00:27:51,380 --> 00:27:53,700 He couldn't even remember the names of the pictures he saw. 531 00:27:56,552 --> 00:27:58,345 - What actually happened is this. - Thank you. 532 00:27:58,346 --> 00:28:01,639 The boy stayed home, had another fight with his father... 533 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,435 stabbed him to death and left the house at 10 minutes after 12:00. 534 00:28:05,436 --> 00:28:08,271 He even remembered to wipe the knife clean of fingerprints. 535 00:28:08,272 --> 00:28:10,982 Now are you trying to tell me that this knife... 536 00:28:10,983 --> 00:28:12,984 really fell through a hole in the boy's pocket... 537 00:28:12,985 --> 00:28:15,445 someone picked it up off the street, went to the boy's house... 538 00:28:15,446 --> 00:28:18,198 and stabbed his father with it just to test its sharpness? 539 00:28:18,199 --> 00:28:20,283 No. I'm just saying it's possible the boy lost his knife... 540 00:28:20,284 --> 00:28:22,577 and that somebody else stabbed his father with a similar knife. 541 00:28:22,578 --> 00:28:23,870 It's just possible. 542 00:28:23,871 --> 00:28:25,555 Take a look at this knife. 543 00:28:27,375 --> 00:28:29,667 It's a very unusual knife. 544 00:28:29,668 --> 00:28:31,294 I've never seen one like it. 545 00:28:31,295 --> 00:28:34,172 Neither had the storekeeper who sold it to the boy. 546 00:28:34,173 --> 00:28:37,217 Aren't you asking us to accept a pretty incredible coincidence? 547 00:28:37,218 --> 00:28:39,636 I'm just saying a coincidence is possible. 548 00:28:39,637 --> 00:28:41,237 And I say it's not possible. 549 00:28:47,770 --> 00:28:49,562 Where did that come from? 550 00:28:49,563 --> 00:28:51,022 - Where'd you get that? - It's the same knife. 551 00:28:51,023 --> 00:28:52,607 What do you think you're doing? 552 00:28:52,608 --> 00:28:54,317 Where did you get it? 553 00:28:54,318 --> 00:28:56,653 I went out walking for a couple of hours last night. 554 00:28:56,654 --> 00:28:58,738 I walked through the boy's neighborhood. 555 00:28:58,739 --> 00:29:01,825 I bought that at a little pawnshop just two blocks from the boy's house. 556 00:29:01,826 --> 00:29:03,368 It cost six dollars. 557 00:29:03,369 --> 00:29:06,579 It's against the law to buy or sell switchblade knives. 558 00:29:06,580 --> 00:29:08,915 That's right. I broke the law. 559 00:29:08,916 --> 00:29:13,002 Listen, you pulled a real bright trick. Now, supposing you tell me what it proves. 560 00:29:13,003 --> 00:29:15,171 Maybe there are 10 knives like that. So what? 561 00:29:15,172 --> 00:29:18,049 - Maybe there are. - Well, what does it mean? 562 00:29:18,050 --> 00:29:21,428 You found another knife like it. What's that, the discovery of the age or something? 563 00:29:21,429 --> 00:29:23,847 You mean you're asking us to believe that somebody else did the stabbing... 564 00:29:23,848 --> 00:29:25,723 with exactly the same kind of knife? 565 00:29:25,724 --> 00:29:27,058 The odds are a million-to-one. 566 00:29:27,059 --> 00:29:29,869 - It's possible. - But not very probable. 567 00:29:30,980 --> 00:29:33,064 Okay, fellas, let's take our seats. 568 00:29:33,065 --> 00:29:35,226 There's no point in standing around all over the place. 569 00:29:36,735 --> 00:29:40,238 You know, it's interesting that he'd find a knife exactly like the one the boy bought. 570 00:29:40,239 --> 00:29:43,074 What's interesting about it? "Interesting." 571 00:29:43,075 --> 00:29:45,034 Well, I don't know. I just thought it was interesting. 572 00:29:45,035 --> 00:29:46,911 There are still 11 of us here who think he's guilty. 573 00:29:46,912 --> 00:29:49,289 Right. What do you think you're gonna accomplish? 574 00:29:49,290 --> 00:29:51,207 You're not gonna change anybody's mind. 575 00:29:51,208 --> 00:29:53,668 So if you wanna be stubborn and hang this jury, go ahead. 576 00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:56,813 The kid will be tried again and found guilty sure as he's born. 577 00:29:58,257 --> 00:30:00,216 That's probably right. 578 00:30:00,217 --> 00:30:03,511 So what are you gonna do? You know, we could be here all night. 579 00:30:03,512 --> 00:30:06,848 It's only one night. A boy may die. 580 00:30:06,849 --> 00:30:09,476 Well, why don't we just set up house here, huh? 581 00:30:09,477 --> 00:30:12,020 Someone send for Potsy the policeman and get a pinochle deck... 582 00:30:12,021 --> 00:30:14,606 and, uh, we'll just sweat the whole thing out right here. 583 00:30:16,025 --> 00:30:19,152 - I don't think he ought to joke about it. - What do you want me to do about it? 584 00:30:19,153 --> 00:30:22,906 Oh, listen! I don't see what all this stuff about the knife's got to do with anything. 585 00:30:22,907 --> 00:30:25,909 Somebody saw the kid stab his father. What more do we need? 586 00:30:25,910 --> 00:30:28,786 You guys can talk the ears right off my head. You know what I mean? 587 00:30:28,787 --> 00:30:31,581 I got three garages of mine goin' to pot while you're talking. 588 00:30:31,582 --> 00:30:33,333 So let's get done and get outta here. 589 00:30:33,334 --> 00:30:36,836 The knife was very important to the district attorney. He spent a whole day... 590 00:30:36,837 --> 00:30:39,380 He's a 15th assistant or something. What does he know about it? 591 00:30:39,381 --> 00:30:40,924 Hey, let's hold it down. 592 00:30:40,925 --> 00:30:43,359 These side arguments are only slowing us up. 593 00:30:46,138 --> 00:30:47,597 Well, what about it? 594 00:30:47,598 --> 00:30:49,198 You're the only one. 595 00:30:57,024 --> 00:30:59,167 I have a proposition to make to all of you. 596 00:31:00,152 --> 00:31:02,003 I'm gonna call for another vote. 597 00:31:03,364 --> 00:31:08,660 I want you 11 men to vote by secret written ballot. 598 00:31:08,661 --> 00:31:10,787 I'll abstain. 599 00:31:10,788 --> 00:31:13,665 If there are 11 votes for guilty, I won't stand alone. 600 00:31:13,666 --> 00:31:17,560 We'll take in a guilty verdict to the judge right now. 601 00:31:18,921 --> 00:31:22,732 But if anyone votes not guilty, we stay here and talk it out. 602 00:31:25,970 --> 00:31:28,972 Well, that's it. If you want to try it, I'm ready. 603 00:31:28,973 --> 00:31:30,515 All right. Let's do it the hard way. 604 00:31:30,516 --> 00:31:32,517 Okay, that sounds fair. Everyone agreed? 605 00:31:32,518 --> 00:31:34,686 - Anyone doesn't agree? - Fine, fine. Let's go. 606 00:31:34,687 --> 00:31:35,812 Here, pass these along. 607 00:31:35,813 --> 00:31:37,664 Is that the right time? 608 00:32:09,638 --> 00:32:10,905 "Guilty." 609 00:32:13,475 --> 00:32:14,742 "Guilty." 610 00:32:16,895 --> 00:32:18,162 "Guilty." 611 00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:21,666 "Guilty." 612 00:32:23,068 --> 00:32:24,335 "Guilty." 613 00:32:26,155 --> 00:32:27,422 "Guilty." 614 00:32:29,491 --> 00:32:30,758 "Guilty." 615 00:32:31,827 --> 00:32:33,094 "Guilty." 616 00:32:34,288 --> 00:32:35,555 "Guilty." 617 00:32:39,543 --> 00:32:42,253 "Not guilty." 618 00:32:42,254 --> 00:32:43,755 "Guilty." 619 00:32:43,756 --> 00:32:45,506 Boy, how do you like that? 620 00:32:45,507 --> 00:32:48,051 Oh, and another chap flaps his wings. 621 00:32:48,052 --> 00:32:50,887 All right, who was it? Come on. I want to know. 622 00:32:50,888 --> 00:32:53,222 Excuse me. This was a secret ballot. 623 00:32:53,223 --> 00:32:54,849 We all agreed on that, no? 624 00:32:54,850 --> 00:32:57,060 If the gentleman wanted to remain secret... 625 00:32:57,061 --> 00:32:59,020 Secret? What do you mean secret? 626 00:32:59,021 --> 00:33:02,331 There are no secrets in a jury room. I know who it was. 627 00:33:02,983 --> 00:33:04,984 Brother, you really are something. 628 00:33:04,985 --> 00:33:07,070 You sit here, vote guilty like the rest of us... 629 00:33:07,071 --> 00:33:10,448 and then some golden-voiced preacher starts tearin' your poor heart out... 630 00:33:10,449 --> 00:33:13,826 about some underprivileged kid just couldn't help becomin' a murderer... 631 00:33:13,827 --> 00:33:15,411 and you change your vote. 632 00:33:15,412 --> 00:33:17,622 If that isn't the most sick... 633 00:33:17,623 --> 00:33:21,376 Why don't you drop a quarter in his collection box? 634 00:33:21,377 --> 00:33:23,419 Oh, now just wait a minute. 635 00:33:23,420 --> 00:33:25,088 Listen, you can't talk to me like that. 636 00:33:25,089 --> 00:33:27,006 - No. Who do you think you are? - Calm down. Calm down. 637 00:33:27,007 --> 00:33:29,425 No. Who does he think he is? Did you hear him? 638 00:33:29,426 --> 00:33:30,840 It doesn't matter. He's very excitable. Sit down. 639 00:33:30,866 --> 00:33:32,770 Excitable? You bet I'm excitable! 640 00:33:32,771 --> 00:33:35,690 We're trying to put a guilty man in the chair where he belongs! 641 00:33:35,891 --> 00:33:38,643 Someone starts telling us fairy tales, and we're listenin'! 642 00:33:38,644 --> 00:33:40,478 Hey, uh, come on, huh? 643 00:33:40,479 --> 00:33:42,480 What made you change your vote? 644 00:33:42,481 --> 00:33:44,190 He didn't change his vote. 645 00:33:44,191 --> 00:33:45,441 I did. 646 00:33:45,442 --> 00:33:47,485 - Oh, fine. - I knew it. 647 00:33:47,486 --> 00:33:49,529 Would you like me to tell you why? 648 00:33:49,530 --> 00:33:51,489 No, I wouldn't like you to tell me why. 649 00:33:51,490 --> 00:33:54,117 I'd like to make it clear anyway, if you don't mind. 650 00:33:54,118 --> 00:33:55,702 Do we have to listen to this? 651 00:33:55,703 --> 00:33:57,537 The man wants to talk. 652 00:33:57,538 --> 00:33:59,205 Thank you. 653 00:33:59,206 --> 00:34:02,625 This gentleman has been standing alone against us. 654 00:34:02,626 --> 00:34:04,961 Now, he doesn't say the boy is not guilty. 655 00:34:04,962 --> 00:34:07,004 He just isn't sure. 656 00:34:07,005 --> 00:34:09,924 Well, it's not easy to stand alone against the ridicule of others. 657 00:34:09,925 --> 00:34:13,136 So he gambled for support, and I gave it to him. 658 00:34:13,137 --> 00:34:14,929 I respect his motives. 659 00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:19,559 The boy on trial is probably guilty, but, uh, I want to hear more. 660 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,436 Right now, the vote is 10 to two. 661 00:34:21,437 --> 00:34:23,771 I'm talking here! You have no right to leave this room! 662 00:34:23,772 --> 00:34:25,732 He can't hear you. He never will. 663 00:34:25,733 --> 00:34:27,416 Let's sit down. 664 00:34:31,488 --> 00:34:33,781 Shall we continue? 665 00:34:33,782 --> 00:34:36,075 Well, I... I think we ought to take a break. 666 00:34:36,076 --> 00:34:40,288 You know, one man's inside, and I think we ought to wait for him. 667 00:34:40,289 --> 00:34:43,332 Okay. 668 00:34:43,333 --> 00:34:45,184 Looks like we're really hung up here, huh? 669 00:34:46,462 --> 00:34:48,896 And that thing with the old man, that was pretty unexpected. 670 00:34:50,883 --> 00:34:53,442 I wish I could figure out some way we could break it up. 671 00:34:56,472 --> 00:35:00,016 You know, in advertising... I told you I worked in an agency. 672 00:35:00,017 --> 00:35:01,100 Mm-hmm. 673 00:35:01,101 --> 00:35:03,186 Well, there's some pretty strange people working there. 674 00:35:03,187 --> 00:35:05,354 Well, they're not strange really, I guess. 675 00:35:05,355 --> 00:35:08,065 It's just that they have peculiar ways of expressing themselves. 676 00:35:08,066 --> 00:35:09,400 You know what I mean. 677 00:35:09,401 --> 00:35:11,801 Of course, I suppose it's the same in your business too, huh? 678 00:35:12,362 --> 00:35:13,946 What do you do? 679 00:35:13,947 --> 00:35:16,199 - I'm a watchmaker. - Oh, really? 680 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,494 Well, I imagine the finest watchmakers in the world come from Europe, huh? 681 00:35:19,495 --> 00:35:22,580 Anyway, as I was telling you, in an agency, when we reach a point like this... 682 00:35:22,581 --> 00:35:26,167 I'm telling him about, in an ad agency, when a point like this is reached in a meeting... 683 00:35:26,168 --> 00:35:28,878 there's always some character ready with an idea, see. 684 00:35:28,879 --> 00:35:30,922 And it kills me. 685 00:35:30,923 --> 00:35:32,507 It's the weirdest thing in the world... 686 00:35:32,508 --> 00:35:35,927 the way they sometimes precede their idea with a little phrase, see, like... 687 00:35:35,928 --> 00:35:38,930 Some account exec will get up, and he'll say, uh... 688 00:35:38,931 --> 00:35:40,848 "Okay, here's an idea. 689 00:35:40,849 --> 00:35:44,560 Let's, uh, run it up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes it." 690 00:35:44,561 --> 00:35:47,772 I mean, it's idiotic, but it's funny, huh? 691 00:35:47,773 --> 00:35:52,376 I, uh... I got a little excited back there. I... 692 00:35:53,278 --> 00:35:55,129 didn't mean to get nasty. 693 00:35:55,906 --> 00:35:59,800 I'm glad you're not one of those lets these emotional appeals influence him. 694 00:36:00,869 --> 00:36:03,220 Uh... 695 00:36:16,385 --> 00:36:19,385 I don't know what's the matter with that fan. Can't seem to get it to start. 696 00:36:25,769 --> 00:36:27,787 Eh! 697 00:36:28,814 --> 00:36:31,107 Hey, you a salesman? 698 00:36:31,108 --> 00:36:32,708 I'm an architect. 699 00:36:33,443 --> 00:36:34,861 Hmm. 700 00:36:34,862 --> 00:36:37,213 You know what the soft sell is? 701 00:36:40,033 --> 00:36:42,051 Boy, you got it. Believe me. 702 00:36:43,620 --> 00:36:45,429 I got a different technique. 703 00:36:46,123 --> 00:36:47,999 Laughs, drinks, jokes. 704 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,351 Tricks. You know? 705 00:36:51,086 --> 00:36:52,395 Yeah. 706 00:36:53,755 --> 00:36:56,065 "Hit 'em where they live." That's my motto. 707 00:36:57,384 --> 00:37:00,236 I made 27 grand last year sellin' marmalade. 708 00:37:00,971 --> 00:37:03,572 That's not bad. I mean, you know, considering marmalade. 709 00:37:06,685 --> 00:37:08,577 Hey, what are you gettin' outta this... kicks? 710 00:37:10,647 --> 00:37:13,316 Or did somebody bump you on the head one time and you haven't gotten over it? 711 00:37:13,317 --> 00:37:15,126 Maybe. 712 00:37:16,028 --> 00:37:18,654 You know, you do-gooders are all alike. 713 00:37:18,655 --> 00:37:21,424 You're always blowing your stacks over some guy that fanned. 714 00:37:24,411 --> 00:37:26,345 But what are you wasting our time for? 715 00:37:26,997 --> 00:37:31,142 Why don't you donate five dollars to the cause, and maybe it'll make you feel better. 716 00:37:34,338 --> 00:37:36,672 This kid is guilty, pal. 717 00:37:36,673 --> 00:37:39,175 It's as plain as the nose on your face. 718 00:37:39,176 --> 00:37:41,510 So why don't we stop wasting our time here? 719 00:37:41,511 --> 00:37:44,513 We're gonna all get sore throats if we keep it up, you know? 720 00:37:44,514 --> 00:37:47,195 What difference does it make if you get it here or at the ball game? 721 00:37:47,851 --> 00:37:50,853 Oh, no difference, pal. 722 00:37:50,854 --> 00:37:52,747 No difference at all. 723 00:38:04,576 --> 00:38:06,535 Nice bunch of guys, huh? 724 00:38:06,536 --> 00:38:08,913 Oh, they're about the same as anyone else. 725 00:38:08,914 --> 00:38:11,807 Phew! Boy, what a murderous day. 726 00:38:12,709 --> 00:38:14,835 You think we'll be much longer? 727 00:38:14,836 --> 00:38:16,545 I don't know. 728 00:38:16,546 --> 00:38:18,547 Aw, he's guilty for sure. 729 00:38:18,548 --> 00:38:20,174 Not a doubt in the whole world. 730 00:38:20,175 --> 00:38:22,818 We should... Should've been done already. 731 00:38:24,972 --> 00:38:26,305 Oh, I don't mind, you know. 732 00:38:26,306 --> 00:38:28,824 Hmm. Beats workin'. 733 00:38:32,396 --> 00:38:33,662 Uh... 734 00:38:35,941 --> 00:38:38,109 You think he's not guilty, huh? 735 00:38:38,110 --> 00:38:40,044 I don't know. It's possible. 736 00:38:40,696 --> 00:38:44,573 Well, I don't know you, but I'm bettin' you never been wronger in your life. 737 00:38:44,574 --> 00:38:47,076 You're wasting your time. You ought to wrap it up. 738 00:38:47,077 --> 00:38:49,345 Supposing you were the one who was on trial. 739 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,039 Well, I'm not used to supposing. 740 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,627 I'm just a workingman. My boss does the supposing. But... 741 00:38:56,628 --> 00:38:58,229 Well, I'll try one. 742 00:38:59,339 --> 00:39:05,111 Supposing you talk us all out of this, and, the kid really did knife his father. Huh? 743 00:39:13,937 --> 00:39:15,312 Are you ready? 744 00:39:15,313 --> 00:39:16,605 Hup. 745 00:39:16,606 --> 00:39:17,606 That one. 746 00:39:17,607 --> 00:39:19,375 Sorry, blue eyes. 747 00:39:20,193 --> 00:39:21,360 - Well, where else... - Okay, fellas, let's take our seats. 748 00:39:21,361 --> 00:39:23,696 - Well, where else... - Okay, fellas, let's take our seats. 749 00:39:23,697 --> 00:39:25,698 Looks like we'll be here for dinner, huh? 750 00:39:25,699 --> 00:39:28,159 Okay, now let's... Let's get down to business. 751 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,618 Now, who wants to start it off? 752 00:39:29,619 --> 00:39:31,120 - I would. - Okay, go. 753 00:39:31,121 --> 00:39:33,289 You down there. 754 00:39:33,290 --> 00:39:37,251 The old man who lived downstairs says he heard the kid yell out, "I'm gonna kill ya." 755 00:39:37,252 --> 00:39:39,962 A second later, he heard the body hit the floor. 756 00:39:39,963 --> 00:39:43,924 Now, he ran to the door and he saw the kid running down the stairs and out of the house. 757 00:39:43,925 --> 00:39:45,384 What does that mean to you? 758 00:39:45,385 --> 00:39:47,038 I was wondering how clearly the old man could 759 00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:48,846 have heard the boy's voice through the ceiling. 760 00:39:48,847 --> 00:39:50,973 He didn't hear it through the ceiling. The window was open. 761 00:39:50,974 --> 00:39:52,892 So was the one upstairs. It was a hot night, remember? 762 00:39:52,893 --> 00:39:54,310 Well, it was another apartment. 763 00:39:54,311 --> 00:39:56,979 It's not that easy to identify a voice, particularly a shouting voice. 764 00:39:56,980 --> 00:39:58,647 - He identified it in court. - That's right. 765 00:39:58,648 --> 00:40:00,191 And don't forget the lady across the street. 766 00:40:00,192 --> 00:40:03,069 She looked right in the open window and saw the boy stab his father. 767 00:40:03,070 --> 00:40:05,613 - Now, I mean, isn't that enough for you? - No, it isn't. 768 00:40:05,614 --> 00:40:07,656 Boy, how do you like this guy, huh? 769 00:40:07,657 --> 00:40:09,575 It's like talking into a dead phone. 770 00:40:09,576 --> 00:40:12,828 She said she saw the killing through the windows of a moving elevated train. 771 00:40:12,829 --> 00:40:16,415 There were six cars on the train. She saw the killing through the last two cars. 772 00:40:16,416 --> 00:40:18,334 She remembered the most insignificant details. 773 00:40:18,335 --> 00:40:20,461 I don't see how you can argue with that. 774 00:40:20,462 --> 00:40:25,107 Has anybody here any idea how long it would take an el... 775 00:40:33,683 --> 00:40:35,351 Hey! 776 00:40:35,352 --> 00:40:36,952 This isn't a game. 777 00:40:41,149 --> 00:40:43,484 - Did you see him? - Hey. 778 00:40:43,485 --> 00:40:45,319 - The nerve. - All right, listen... 779 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,656 - The absolute nerve. - Forget it. It's not important. 780 00:40:48,657 --> 00:40:50,699 - "This isn't a game"? - Calm down. 781 00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:54,120 - Who does he think he is? - I'm telling you, forget it now. 782 00:40:54,121 --> 00:40:57,540 Has anybody any idea how long it takes an elevated train... 783 00:40:57,541 --> 00:40:59,458 going at medium speed to pass a given point? 784 00:40:59,459 --> 00:41:01,418 - What has that to do with anything? - How long? Take a guess. 785 00:41:01,419 --> 00:41:04,171 - I wouldn't have the slightest idea. - What do you think? 786 00:41:04,172 --> 00:41:06,148 I don't know. Maybe 10, 12 seconds? 787 00:41:07,050 --> 00:41:08,801 I think that's a pretty good guess. Anyone else? 788 00:41:08,802 --> 00:41:11,679 - That sounds right to me. - Come on. What's the guessing game for? 789 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,597 - What do you say? - Ten seconds is about right. 790 00:41:13,598 --> 00:41:15,599 All right. Say 10 seconds. What are you getting at? 791 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:20,729 This. It takes a six-car el train 10 seconds to pass a given point. 792 00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:23,065 Now let's say the given point is the open window 793 00:41:23,091 --> 00:41:25,067 of the room where the killing took place. 794 00:41:25,068 --> 00:41:28,445 You can reach out of that window and almost touch the el tracks, right? 795 00:41:28,446 --> 00:41:30,030 Now let me ask you this. 796 00:41:30,031 --> 00:41:32,366 Has anyone here ever lived near the el tracks? 797 00:41:32,367 --> 00:41:36,078 Well, uh, I just finished painting an apartment that overlooked an el line. 798 00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:37,830 - I was there for three days. - What was it like? 799 00:41:37,831 --> 00:41:39,081 - What do you mean? - Noisy? 800 00:41:39,082 --> 00:41:41,709 Oh, brother. Don't matter though. We were all punchy. 801 00:41:41,710 --> 00:41:44,378 I lived in a second-floor apartment near the el line once. 802 00:41:44,379 --> 00:41:47,523 When the window was open and the train goes by, the noise is almost unbearable. 803 00:41:47,549 --> 00:41:48,675 You can hardly hear yourself think. 804 00:41:48,701 --> 00:41:50,426 All right, you can't hear yourself think. 805 00:41:50,427 --> 00:41:52,928 - Will you get to the point? - I will. Now just a minute. 806 00:41:52,929 --> 00:41:56,640 Let's take two pieces of testimony and try to put them together. 807 00:41:56,641 --> 00:42:00,811 First. The old man in the apartment downstairs. 808 00:42:00,812 --> 00:42:03,480 He says he heard the boy say "I'm gonna kill you"... 809 00:42:03,481 --> 00:42:06,317 and a split second later heard a body hit the floor. 810 00:42:06,318 --> 00:42:07,985 - One second later, right? - That's right. 811 00:42:07,986 --> 00:42:14,074 Second. The woman across the street swore positively she looked out of the window... 812 00:42:14,075 --> 00:42:17,494 and saw the killing through the last two cars of the passing elevated train, right? 813 00:42:17,495 --> 00:42:19,914 - The last two cars. - What are you giving us here? 814 00:42:19,915 --> 00:42:21,332 Now, just a minute. 815 00:42:21,333 --> 00:42:25,853 We've agreed that it takes 10 seconds for a train to pass a given point. 816 00:42:26,588 --> 00:42:30,007 Since the woman saw the killing through the last two cars... 817 00:42:30,008 --> 00:42:35,054 we can assume that the body hit the floor just as the train went by. 818 00:42:35,055 --> 00:42:39,600 Therefore, the train had been roaring by the old man's window... 819 00:42:39,601 --> 00:42:43,187 a full 10 seconds before the body hit the floor. 820 00:42:43,188 --> 00:42:45,481 The old man, according to his own testimony... 821 00:42:45,482 --> 00:42:48,484 "I'm gonna kill you," body hitting the floor a split second later... 822 00:42:48,485 --> 00:42:51,028 would have had to hear the boy make this statement... 823 00:42:51,029 --> 00:42:52,988 with the el roaring past his nose. 824 00:42:52,989 --> 00:42:54,615 It's not possible he could've heard it. 825 00:42:54,616 --> 00:42:56,867 - That's idiotic. Of course he heard it. - Do you think he could've heard it? 826 00:42:56,868 --> 00:42:59,328 He said he yelled at the top of his voice. That's good enough for me. 827 00:42:59,329 --> 00:43:01,664 Even if he heard something, he still couldn't have identified the voice. 828 00:43:01,665 --> 00:43:02,873 With the el roaring by? 829 00:43:02,874 --> 00:43:05,334 You're talking about a matter of seconds! Nobody can be that accurate. 830 00:43:05,335 --> 00:43:10,047 I think testimony that could put a boy into the electric chair should be that accurate. 831 00:43:12,175 --> 00:43:14,176 You know something? I don't think he could've heard it. 832 00:43:14,177 --> 00:43:16,595 Maybe he didn't hear it. I mean, with all that el noise. 833 00:43:16,596 --> 00:43:18,555 Oh, what are you people talking about? 834 00:43:18,556 --> 00:43:20,683 Well, it stands to reason he couldn't have heard it. 835 00:43:20,684 --> 00:43:22,685 Why should he lie? What's he got to gain? 836 00:43:22,686 --> 00:43:24,979 Attention maybe. 837 00:43:24,980 --> 00:43:26,981 You keep coming in with these bright sayings! 838 00:43:26,982 --> 00:43:30,109 Why don't you send 'em in to a paper? They pay three dollars apiece. 839 00:43:30,110 --> 00:43:32,419 What are you talking to him like that for? 840 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,782 Guy talks like that to an old man really ought to get stepped on, you know? 841 00:43:36,783 --> 00:43:38,717 You ought to have more respect, mister. 842 00:43:39,828 --> 00:43:44,306 If you say stuff like that to him again, I'm gonna lay you out. 843 00:43:54,175 --> 00:43:57,219 Now you go ahead. You... You say anything you like. 844 00:43:57,220 --> 00:44:01,348 Why do you think the old man might lie? 845 00:44:01,349 --> 00:44:04,868 It was just that I looked at him for a very long time. 846 00:44:05,395 --> 00:44:08,731 The seams of his jacket was split, under the shoulder. 847 00:44:08,732 --> 00:44:10,399 Or did you notice that? 848 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,985 I mean, to come to court like that. 849 00:44:12,986 --> 00:44:14,753 Why... 850 00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:19,742 He was a very old man in a torn jacket. 851 00:44:19,743 --> 00:44:22,719 And he walked very slowly to the stand. 852 00:44:23,371 --> 00:44:27,499 He was dragging his left leg and trying to hide it... 853 00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:29,268 because he was ashamed. 854 00:44:30,295 --> 00:44:33,814 I think I know this man better than anyone here. 855 00:44:34,591 --> 00:44:40,095 This is a quiet, frightened, insignificant old man who... 856 00:44:40,096 --> 00:44:42,556 who has been nothing all his life... 857 00:44:42,557 --> 00:44:45,059 who has never had recognition... 858 00:44:45,060 --> 00:44:47,244 or his name in the newspapers. 859 00:44:47,812 --> 00:44:50,105 Nobody knows him. 860 00:44:50,106 --> 00:44:52,232 Nobody quotes him. 861 00:44:52,233 --> 00:44:56,295 Nobody seeks his advice after 75 years. 862 00:44:57,030 --> 00:45:01,008 Gentlemen, that's a very sad thing... to be nothing. 863 00:45:01,618 --> 00:45:06,054 A man like this needs to be quoted, to be listened to. 864 00:45:06,581 --> 00:45:08,624 To be quoted just once. 865 00:45:08,625 --> 00:45:10,601 Very important to him. 866 00:45:11,002 --> 00:45:13,504 It would be so hard for him to recede into the background... 867 00:45:13,505 --> 00:45:15,297 - Wait a minute. - When there was a chance... 868 00:45:15,298 --> 00:45:18,258 What are you trying to do... tell us he'd lie just so he could be important once? 869 00:45:18,259 --> 00:45:20,969 No. He wouldn't really lie. 870 00:45:20,970 --> 00:45:24,515 But perhaps he made himself believe he heard those words... 871 00:45:24,516 --> 00:45:26,809 and recognized the boy's face. 872 00:45:26,810 --> 00:45:29,186 That's the most fantastic story I've ever heard. 873 00:45:29,187 --> 00:45:32,331 How can you make up a thing like that? What do you know about it? 874 00:45:41,282 --> 00:45:43,409 Oh, uh, does anybody want a cough drop? 875 00:45:43,410 --> 00:45:45,744 - No, thanks. - I'll take one. 876 00:45:45,745 --> 00:45:47,146 You can say what you like. 877 00:45:47,147 --> 00:45:49,331 I still don't see how anybody can think he's not guilty. 878 00:45:49,332 --> 00:45:51,917 There's something else I'd like to talk about for a minute. 879 00:45:51,918 --> 00:45:53,627 Thanks. 880 00:45:53,628 --> 00:45:57,005 I think we've proved that the old man couldn't have heard the boy say "I'm gonna kill you." 881 00:45:57,006 --> 00:45:58,674 - But supposing... - You didn't prove it at all. 882 00:45:58,675 --> 00:46:01,552 - What are you talking about? - Supposing he really did hear it. 883 00:46:01,553 --> 00:46:04,054 This phrase, how many times have all of us used it? 884 00:46:04,055 --> 00:46:05,639 Probably thousands. 885 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,349 "I could kill you for that, darling." 886 00:46:07,350 --> 00:46:09,351 "Junior, you do that once more, and I'm gonna kill you." 887 00:46:09,352 --> 00:46:10,727 "Get in there, Rocky, and kill him." 888 00:46:10,728 --> 00:46:12,688 We say it every day. That doesn't mean we're really gonna kill anybody. 889 00:46:12,689 --> 00:46:14,565 Wait a minute. What are you trying to give us here? 890 00:46:14,566 --> 00:46:18,360 The phrase was "I'm gonna kill you." The kid yelled it at the top of his lungs. 891 00:46:18,361 --> 00:46:19,778 Don't tell me he didn't mean it. 892 00:46:19,779 --> 00:46:22,156 Anybody says a thing like that the way he said it, they mean it. 893 00:46:22,157 --> 00:46:23,699 Well, gee, now I don't know. 894 00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:28,495 I remember I was arguing with a guy I work next to at the bank a couple weeks ago. 895 00:46:28,496 --> 00:46:30,330 He called me an idiot, so I yelled at him. 896 00:46:30,331 --> 00:46:33,375 Now listen! This guy's trying to make you believe things that aren't so. 897 00:46:33,376 --> 00:46:35,544 The kid said he was gonna kill him, and he did kill him. 898 00:46:35,545 --> 00:46:38,589 Let me ask you this. Do you really think the boy would shout out a thing like that... 899 00:46:38,590 --> 00:46:40,466 so the whole neighborhood could hear him? 900 00:46:40,467 --> 00:46:42,384 I don't think so. He's much too bright for that. 901 00:46:42,385 --> 00:46:47,222 Bright? He's a common ignorant slob. He don't even speak good English. 902 00:46:47,223 --> 00:46:50,158 "He doesn't even speak good English." 903 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,398 Mr. Foreman, I'd like to change my vote to not guilty. 904 00:46:56,399 --> 00:46:57,900 You what? 905 00:46:57,901 --> 00:47:00,419 - You heard me. - Are you sure? 906 00:47:01,237 --> 00:47:02,738 Yeah, I'm sure. 907 00:47:02,739 --> 00:47:05,282 The vote is nine to three, favor of guilty. 908 00:47:05,283 --> 00:47:08,176 Well, if this isn't the living end. Huh? 909 00:47:12,123 --> 00:47:14,975 What are you basing it on... the stories this guy made up? 910 00:47:15,502 --> 00:47:17,920 You ought to write for one of those kooky detective magazines. 911 00:47:17,921 --> 00:47:19,838 You'd make a fortune. 912 00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:23,358 For crying out loud. The kid's own lawyer knew he didn't stand a chance. 913 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,427 Right from the beginning, his own lawyer knew it. 914 00:47:25,428 --> 00:47:27,304 You could see it. 915 00:47:27,305 --> 00:47:30,991 Boy, oh, boy. I'm tellin' you, this guy here is really something. 916 00:47:31,726 --> 00:47:33,602 Look, the kid had a lawyer, didn't he? 917 00:47:33,603 --> 00:47:36,522 He presented his case, not you. How come you got so much to say? 918 00:47:36,523 --> 00:47:39,441 - Look, lawyers aren't infallible, you know. - Baltimore, please. Huh? 919 00:47:39,442 --> 00:47:41,235 He was court-appointed. 920 00:47:41,236 --> 00:47:43,153 - What's that supposed to mean? - It could mean a lot of things. 921 00:47:43,154 --> 00:47:46,490 It could mean he didn't want the case, or he resented being appointed. 922 00:47:46,491 --> 00:47:48,408 It's the kind of case that brings him nothing... 923 00:47:48,409 --> 00:47:51,453 no money, no glory, not even much chance of winning. 924 00:47:51,454 --> 00:47:54,456 That's not a very promising situation for a young lawyer. 925 00:47:54,457 --> 00:47:57,459 He'd really have to believe in his client to put up any kind of a good case... 926 00:47:57,460 --> 00:47:59,545 and, as you pointed out a minute ago, obviously he didn't. 927 00:47:59,546 --> 00:48:02,464 Of course he didn't. Huh. 928 00:48:02,465 --> 00:48:04,841 Who the heck could? 929 00:48:04,842 --> 00:48:07,844 Except maybe some guy's mother or somebody. I... 930 00:48:07,845 --> 00:48:10,180 Ah, look. Will you look at the time, huh? 931 00:48:10,181 --> 00:48:12,808 - Come on. For crying out... - Pardon me. 932 00:48:12,809 --> 00:48:15,227 - I have made some notes here... - Notes. 933 00:48:15,228 --> 00:48:17,938 And I would like to... please, to say something. 934 00:48:17,939 --> 00:48:20,274 - Yeah. - I have been listening very carefully. 935 00:48:20,275 --> 00:48:24,778 And, uh, it seems to me that this man has some very good points to make. 936 00:48:24,779 --> 00:48:29,491 From what was presented at the trial, the boy looks guilty on the surface. 937 00:48:29,492 --> 00:48:33,662 - But maybe if we go deeper? - Oh, come on, will ya? 938 00:48:33,663 --> 00:48:36,039 There is a question I would like to ask. 939 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,418 Let us assume that the boy really did commit the murder. 940 00:48:39,419 --> 00:48:42,838 Now, this happened at 10 minutes after 12:00. 941 00:48:42,839 --> 00:48:45,382 Now, how was he caught by the police? 942 00:48:45,383 --> 00:48:49,970 He came back home, uh, at 3:00 or so... 943 00:48:49,971 --> 00:48:53,807 and he was captured by two detectives in the hallway of his house. 944 00:48:53,808 --> 00:48:58,478 Now, my question is, if he really had killed his father... 945 00:48:58,479 --> 00:49:01,773 why would he come back home three hours later? 946 00:49:01,774 --> 00:49:04,735 Wouldn't he be afraid of being caught? 947 00:49:04,736 --> 00:49:06,570 He came home to get his knife. 948 00:49:06,571 --> 00:49:09,197 It's not nice to go around leaving knives sticking in people's chests. 949 00:49:09,198 --> 00:49:12,034 - Yeah, especially relatives. - Yeah. 950 00:49:12,035 --> 00:49:14,369 I don't see anything funny about it. 951 00:49:14,370 --> 00:49:17,998 The boy knew the knife could be identified as the one he had just bought. 952 00:49:17,999 --> 00:49:20,250 He had to get it before the police did. 953 00:49:20,251 --> 00:49:22,532 But if he knew the knife could be identified, 954 00:49:22,558 --> 00:49:24,838 why did he leave it there in the first place? 955 00:49:25,256 --> 00:49:28,216 Well, I think we can assume the boy ran out in a state of panic... 956 00:49:28,217 --> 00:49:30,677 after having just killed his father. 957 00:49:30,678 --> 00:49:33,722 When he finally calmed down, he realized he had left his knife there. 958 00:49:33,723 --> 00:49:36,725 Ah. This then depends on your definition of panic. 959 00:49:36,726 --> 00:49:39,186 He would have had to be calm enough to see to it... 960 00:49:39,187 --> 00:49:41,855 that there were no fingerprints left on the knife. 961 00:49:41,856 --> 00:49:45,984 Now, where did this panic start and where did it end? 962 00:49:45,985 --> 00:49:48,445 Look, you voted guilty. What side are ya on? 963 00:49:48,446 --> 00:49:52,074 I don't believe I have to be loyal to one side or the other. 964 00:49:52,075 --> 00:49:53,950 I'm simply asking questions. 965 00:49:53,951 --> 00:49:57,037 Well, this is just off the top of my head, but, uh... 966 00:49:57,038 --> 00:49:59,623 well, if I were the boy and I'd done the stabbing and everything... 967 00:49:59,624 --> 00:50:01,833 I'd take a chance and go back for the knife. 968 00:50:01,834 --> 00:50:04,419 I'll bet he figured that nobody had seen him running out... 969 00:50:04,420 --> 00:50:07,005 and that the body wouldn't be discovered till the next day. 970 00:50:07,006 --> 00:50:09,132 Well, after all, it was the middle of the night. 971 00:50:09,133 --> 00:50:11,718 I'll bet he'd figured nobody would find the body till the next day. 972 00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,804 Pardon. This is my whole point. 973 00:50:13,805 --> 00:50:17,599 The woman across the street testified that the moment after she saw the killing... 974 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,268 that is, a moment after the train went by... 975 00:50:20,269 --> 00:50:23,355 she screamed and then went to telephone the police. 976 00:50:23,356 --> 00:50:26,817 Now, the boy certainly must have heard the scream... 977 00:50:26,818 --> 00:50:30,404 so he knew that somebody saw something. 978 00:50:30,405 --> 00:50:33,281 I just don't think that he would have gone back. 979 00:50:33,282 --> 00:50:36,118 Two things. One, in his state of panic, he may not have heard the scream. 980 00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:37,869 Perhaps it wasn't very loud. 981 00:50:37,870 --> 00:50:41,331 Two, if he did hear it, he may not have connected it with his own act. 982 00:50:41,332 --> 00:50:44,459 Remember, he lived in a neighborhood where screams were fairly commonplace. 983 00:50:44,460 --> 00:50:47,003 - There's your answer. - Maybe. 984 00:50:47,004 --> 00:50:49,965 Maybe the boy did kill his father, didn't hear the scream... 985 00:50:49,966 --> 00:50:53,760 did run out in a panic, did calm down three hours later... 986 00:50:53,761 --> 00:50:56,471 and come back to get the knife, risking being caught by the police. 987 00:50:56,472 --> 00:50:59,474 Maybe all of those things happened, but maybe they didn't. 988 00:50:59,475 --> 00:51:02,310 I think there's enough doubt that we can wonder whether he was there at all... 989 00:51:02,311 --> 00:51:04,062 during the time the killing took place. 990 00:51:04,063 --> 00:51:05,897 What do you mean doubt? What are you talking about? 991 00:51:05,898 --> 00:51:07,691 Didn't the old man see him running out of the house? 992 00:51:07,692 --> 00:51:09,568 He's twisting the facts, I'm telling you. 993 00:51:09,569 --> 00:51:12,988 Did or didn't the old man see the kid running out of the house at 12:10? 994 00:51:12,989 --> 00:51:14,990 Well, did or didn't he? 995 00:51:14,991 --> 00:51:18,285 - He says he did. - "Says he did"? Boy! How do you like that? 996 00:51:18,286 --> 00:51:21,329 - Now, look, witnesses can make mistakes. - Sure, when you want them to, they do. 997 00:51:21,330 --> 00:51:23,665 Or when he wants them to, they do. You know what I mean? 998 00:51:23,666 --> 00:51:25,584 - Keep the yelling down! - Oh, you keep saying that. 999 00:51:25,585 --> 00:51:27,377 Maybe what we need is a little yelling in here. 1000 00:51:27,378 --> 00:51:29,171 These guys keep going off every which way. 1001 00:51:29,172 --> 00:51:31,173 Did hear the scream. Didn't hear the scream. 1002 00:51:31,174 --> 00:51:34,426 What difference does it make? You people are talking only about the little details. 1003 00:51:34,427 --> 00:51:37,012 You're forgetting the important stuff. I mean, all of a sudden, everybody here... 1004 00:51:37,013 --> 00:51:39,473 - I want to call for another vote. - I'm talking here! 1005 00:51:39,474 --> 00:51:43,243 There's another vote called for. Now let's take our seats. 1006 00:51:47,023 --> 00:51:49,649 I never saw so much time spent on nothing. 1007 00:51:49,650 --> 00:51:51,459 It only takes a second. 1008 00:51:52,445 --> 00:51:55,947 Okay. I guess the fastest way is to find out who's voting not guilty. 1009 00:51:55,948 --> 00:51:58,800 Now, all those voting not guilty, please raise your hands. 1010 00:51:59,952 --> 00:52:03,622 Still the same. One, two, three not guilty. Nine guilty. 1011 00:52:03,623 --> 00:52:05,373 So, now where are we? 1012 00:52:05,374 --> 00:52:08,877 I'm telling you, we can yackety-yack until next Tuesday. Where's it all getting us? 1013 00:52:08,878 --> 00:52:11,713 Pardon. I vote not guilty. 1014 00:52:11,714 --> 00:52:14,800 Oh! 1015 00:52:14,801 --> 00:52:18,178 What are ya talking about? I mean, we're all going crazy in here or something. 1016 00:52:18,179 --> 00:52:22,057 The kid is guilty. Why don't you listen to the facts? 1017 00:52:22,058 --> 00:52:24,392 Tell him, will ya? Now this is getting to be a joke. 1018 00:52:24,393 --> 00:52:27,687 The vote is eight to four, favor of guilty. 1019 00:52:27,688 --> 00:52:31,441 What is this, love your underprivileged brother week or something? 1020 00:52:31,442 --> 00:52:34,027 I want you to get up and tell me why you changed your vote. 1021 00:52:34,028 --> 00:52:38,406 - Come on. Give me your reasons. - I don't have to defend my decision to you. 1022 00:52:38,407 --> 00:52:40,242 There is a reasonable doubt in my mind. 1023 00:52:40,243 --> 00:52:43,328 What reasonable doubt? That's nothing but words. Here, look at this. 1024 00:52:43,329 --> 00:52:48,333 The kid you just decided isn't guilty was seen ramming this into his father. 1025 00:52:48,334 --> 00:52:50,418 Now, what about this, Mr. Reasonable Doubt? 1026 00:52:50,419 --> 00:52:53,171 That's not the knife. Don't you remember? 1027 00:52:53,172 --> 00:52:55,423 Oh, brilliant. 1028 00:52:55,424 --> 00:52:57,801 I'm telling ya, this is the craziest. 1029 00:52:57,802 --> 00:53:00,053 I mean, what are we supposed to believe? 1030 00:53:00,054 --> 00:53:02,973 I mean, you're sittin' here, you're pulling stories out of thin air, you know? 1031 00:53:02,974 --> 00:53:06,768 A guy like this, if he's, uh, sitting ringside at the Dempsey-Firpo fight... 1032 00:53:06,769 --> 00:53:09,312 he'd be trying to tell you that, uh... 1033 00:53:09,313 --> 00:53:11,773 Look. Now, what about the old man? 1034 00:53:11,774 --> 00:53:14,442 Are we supposed to believe that he didn't get up and run to his door... 1035 00:53:14,443 --> 00:53:17,529 and see the kid tearing down the steps 15 seconds after the killing? 1036 00:53:17,530 --> 00:53:20,073 He's just saying so to be important, right? 1037 00:53:20,074 --> 00:53:21,634 I mean, what's the point of the whole thing? 1038 00:53:21,660 --> 00:53:22,951 Wait. Hold it a second, will you? 1039 00:53:22,952 --> 00:53:25,245 Oh, and the Baltimore rooter is heard from again now... 1040 00:53:25,246 --> 00:53:27,289 and pop-ups are fallin' for base hits wherever we look. 1041 00:53:27,290 --> 00:53:30,625 Hold it a second. Now, look... Did the old man say he ran to the door? 1042 00:53:30,626 --> 00:53:32,545 Ran, walked. What's the difference? He got on, didn't he? 1043 00:53:32,571 --> 00:53:33,670 I mean, he got there, didn't he? 1044 00:53:33,671 --> 00:53:36,298 - No, now wait a second. - He said he ran. At least I think he did. 1045 00:53:36,299 --> 00:53:39,801 Look, I don't remember what he said, but I don't see how he could have run to the door. 1046 00:53:39,802 --> 00:53:42,262 He said he went from his bedroom to the front door. 1047 00:53:42,263 --> 00:53:43,972 - Now, isn't that enough? - Where was the bedroom? 1048 00:53:43,973 --> 00:53:46,308 - It was down the hall somewhere. - I thought you remembered everything. 1049 00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:48,643 - Don't you remember that? - No. 1050 00:53:48,644 --> 00:53:50,954 Mr. Foreman, I'd like to see a diagram of the apartment. 1051 00:53:50,980 --> 00:53:53,548 Why don't we just have 'em run the trial all over again so you can get everything straight? 1052 00:53:53,549 --> 00:53:54,274 Mr. Foreman. 1053 00:53:54,275 --> 00:53:56,985 How come you're the only one in this room wants to see exhibits all the time? 1054 00:53:56,986 --> 00:53:59,779 - I want to see this one too. - And I'd like to stop wasting time. 1055 00:53:59,780 --> 00:54:02,699 If we're gonna start wading through all that nonsense about where the body was found... 1056 00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:04,743 We're not, not unless somebody else wants to. 1057 00:54:04,744 --> 00:54:06,536 But I'd like to find out if an old man... 1058 00:54:06,537 --> 00:54:08,997 who drags one foot when he walks 'cause he had a stroke last year... 1059 00:54:08,998 --> 00:54:11,499 can get from his bedroom to his front door in 15 seconds. 1060 00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:13,251 - He said 20 seconds. - He said 15. 1061 00:54:13,252 --> 00:54:15,503 He said 20 seconds. What are you trying to distort... 1062 00:54:15,504 --> 00:54:18,840 - He said 15. - How does he know how long 15 seconds is? 1063 00:54:18,841 --> 00:54:20,592 You can't judge a thing like that. 1064 00:54:20,593 --> 00:54:23,053 He said 15 seconds. He was very positive about it. 1065 00:54:23,054 --> 00:54:25,347 He was an old man. Half the time he was confused. 1066 00:54:25,348 --> 00:54:27,741 How could he be positive about anything? 1067 00:54:35,316 --> 00:54:37,519 I don't see what you're going to prove here. 1068 00:54:37,545 --> 00:54:39,527 The man said he saw the boy running out. 1069 00:54:39,528 --> 00:54:41,780 Well, let's see if the details bear him out. 1070 00:54:41,781 --> 00:54:44,741 As soon as the body hit the floor, he said he heard footsteps upstairs... 1071 00:54:44,742 --> 00:54:46,493 running toward the front door... 1072 00:54:46,494 --> 00:54:49,663 heard the upstairs door open, the footsteps start down the stairs. 1073 00:54:49,664 --> 00:54:51,873 He said he got to his own front door as fast as he could... 1074 00:54:51,874 --> 00:54:54,042 and he swore it couldn't have been more than 15 seconds. 1075 00:54:54,043 --> 00:54:55,794 Now, if the killer began running immediately... 1076 00:54:55,795 --> 00:54:58,088 - Maybe he didn't. - The old man said he did. 1077 00:54:58,089 --> 00:55:00,882 You ought to be at Atlantic City at that hairsplitters convention. 1078 00:55:02,093 --> 00:55:04,302 Hey, why don't you stop makin' smart remarks all the time, huh? 1079 00:55:04,303 --> 00:55:07,514 My friend, for your three dollars a day, you have to listen to everything, you know? 1080 00:55:07,515 --> 00:55:09,307 Now that you've got that thing in here, what about it? 1081 00:55:09,308 --> 00:55:11,559 All right. Here's the apartment where the killing took place. 1082 00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,688 The old man's apartment was directly beneath and exactly the same. 1083 00:55:14,689 --> 00:55:17,983 Here are the el tracks, the bedroom, living room, kitchen, bathroom. 1084 00:55:17,984 --> 00:55:20,068 Here's the hall. Here are the stairs. 1085 00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:22,404 Now, the old man was in this bedroom right here. 1086 00:55:22,405 --> 00:55:25,156 He says he crossed to the door and walked down the hall... 1087 00:55:25,157 --> 00:55:28,201 opened the front door just in time to see the boy running down the stairs. 1088 00:55:28,202 --> 00:55:31,621 - Am I right so far? - That's the story, for the 19th time. 1089 00:55:31,622 --> 00:55:35,250 - Fifteen seconds after the body hit the floor. - Correct. 1090 00:55:35,251 --> 00:55:37,377 Now, let's see. It was... 1091 00:55:37,378 --> 00:55:41,464 It's 12 feet from the bed to the door. The hall is 43 feet. 1092 00:55:41,465 --> 00:55:44,759 He would have had to walk 12 feet, open the bedroom door... 1093 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,471 walk 43 feet down and open the front door all in 15 seconds. 1094 00:55:48,472 --> 00:55:51,266 - Do you think he could have done it? - Sure he could have done it. 1095 00:55:51,267 --> 00:55:53,935 He can walk only very slowly. They had to help him into the witness chair. 1096 00:55:53,936 --> 00:55:55,687 You make it sound like a long walk. 1097 00:55:55,688 --> 00:55:58,106 For an old man who had a stroke, it is a long walk. 1098 00:55:58,107 --> 00:55:59,231 Oh! What are you doing? 1099 00:55:59,257 --> 00:56:01,626 I'm gonna try it, see how long it took him. 1100 00:56:01,652 --> 00:56:03,001 What do you mean, you want to try it? 1101 00:56:03,002 --> 00:56:05,088 Why didn't his lawyer bring it up if it's so important? 1102 00:56:05,114 --> 00:56:06,371 Maybe he just didn't think about it, huh? 1103 00:56:06,372 --> 00:56:08,825 What do you mean, didn't think of it? You think the man's an idiot or something? 1104 00:56:08,826 --> 00:56:10,452 - It's an obvious thing. - Did you think of it? 1105 00:56:10,453 --> 00:56:12,203 Listen, smart guy. Don't matter whether I thought of it. 1106 00:56:12,204 --> 00:56:14,514 He didn't bring it up because he knew it would hurt his case. What do you think of that? 1107 00:56:14,540 --> 00:56:16,477 Maybe he didn't bring it up because it would have 1108 00:56:16,478 --> 00:56:18,460 meant bullying and badgering a helpless old man. 1109 00:56:18,461 --> 00:56:21,880 You know that doesn't sit very well with a jury. Most lawyers avoid it if they can. 1110 00:56:21,881 --> 00:56:24,674 - So, what kind of a bum is he then? - That's what I've been asking, buddy. 1111 00:56:24,675 --> 00:56:27,802 Pass me that chair, will you? Those two chairs are the old man's bed. 1112 00:56:27,803 --> 00:56:30,764 I just paced off 12 feet across the room. This will be the bedroom door. 1113 00:56:30,765 --> 00:56:33,475 Oh, that's crazy. You can't recreate a thing like that. 1114 00:56:33,476 --> 00:56:35,769 - I'd like to see it. - The hall was 43 feet. 1115 00:56:35,770 --> 00:56:37,871 I'll pace from that wall and back again. 1116 00:56:39,065 --> 00:56:42,984 Look, this is absolutely insane. What are you wasting everybody's time in here for? 1117 00:56:42,985 --> 00:56:45,945 According to you, it'll only take 15 seconds. Now, we can spare that, see. 1118 00:56:49,825 --> 00:56:51,576 Come on. Knock it off. 1119 00:56:51,577 --> 00:56:53,161 Okay. 1120 00:56:53,162 --> 00:56:55,288 Okay. Okay, killer. 1121 00:56:55,289 --> 00:56:56,973 Yeah. 1122 00:56:59,210 --> 00:57:01,336 Will you stand right there and mark the front door? 1123 00:57:01,337 --> 00:57:03,922 It was chain-locked according to the testimony, remember? 1124 00:57:03,923 --> 00:57:05,692 Has anybody got a watch with a second hand? 1125 00:57:05,718 --> 00:57:06,174 I have. 1126 00:57:06,175 --> 00:57:08,676 When you want me to start, stamp your foot. That'll be the body falling. 1127 00:57:08,677 --> 00:57:10,678 You can time me from there. 1128 00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:12,847 What are we gonna do, play charades now? 1129 00:57:12,848 --> 00:57:14,974 - Come on! What are we waiting for? - Okay, I'm ready. 1130 00:57:14,975 --> 00:57:16,976 Well, I want to wait till the second hand reaches 60. 1131 00:57:16,977 --> 00:57:18,995 Oh, come on. 1132 00:57:25,611 --> 00:57:28,713 Come on. Speed it up. He could walk twice as fast as that. 1133 00:57:30,074 --> 00:57:32,634 You want me to walk faster than that, I will. 1134 00:57:49,426 --> 00:57:51,970 Lock. Door. Stop. 1135 00:57:51,971 --> 00:57:54,055 - Right. - What's the time? 1136 00:57:54,056 --> 00:57:57,392 Uh, exactly 41 seconds. 1137 00:57:57,393 --> 00:57:59,727 This is what I think happened. 1138 00:57:59,728 --> 00:58:02,647 The old man heard the fight between the boy and his father a few hours earlier. 1139 00:58:02,648 --> 00:58:05,567 Then when he's lying in bed, he heard the body hit the floor in the boy's apartment... 1140 00:58:05,568 --> 00:58:07,400 heard the woman scream from across the street, 1141 00:58:07,426 --> 00:58:09,154 got to his front door as fast as he could... 1142 00:58:09,155 --> 00:58:11,823 heard somebody racing down the stairs and assumed it was the boy. 1143 00:58:11,824 --> 00:58:13,741 - I think that's possible. - Assumed? 1144 00:58:13,742 --> 00:58:16,327 Oh. 1145 00:58:16,328 --> 00:58:19,802 Brother, I've seen all kinds of dishonesty in my day, 1146 00:58:19,828 --> 00:58:22,375 but this little display takes the cake. 1147 00:58:22,376 --> 00:58:24,853 You all come in here with your hearts bleeding all 1148 00:58:24,854 --> 00:58:27,172 over the floor about slum kids and injustice. 1149 00:58:27,173 --> 00:58:29,257 You listen to some fairy tales. 1150 00:58:29,258 --> 00:58:31,634 Suddenly you start getting through to some of these old ladies. 1151 00:58:31,635 --> 00:58:34,679 Well, you're not getting through to me. I've had enough. 1152 00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,806 What's the matter with you guys? 1153 00:58:36,807 --> 00:58:39,601 You all know he's guilty! He's got to burn! 1154 00:58:39,602 --> 00:58:41,477 You're letting him slip through our fingers. 1155 00:58:41,478 --> 00:58:43,771 "Slip through our fingers"? Are you his executioner? 1156 00:58:43,772 --> 00:58:45,540 I'm one of 'em! 1157 00:58:46,609 --> 00:58:48,526 Perhaps you'd like to pull the switch. 1158 00:58:48,527 --> 00:58:50,612 For this kid, you bet I would. 1159 00:58:50,613 --> 00:58:53,965 I feel sorry for you. What it must feel like to want to pull the switch. 1160 00:58:54,742 --> 00:58:56,805 Ever since you walked into this room, you've been 1161 00:58:56,806 --> 00:58:58,745 acting like a self-appointed public avenger. 1162 00:58:58,746 --> 00:59:00,809 You want to see this boy die because you 1163 00:59:00,835 --> 00:59:03,124 personally want it, not because of the facts. 1164 00:59:03,125 --> 00:59:05,376 - You're a sadist. - You... 1165 00:59:05,377 --> 00:59:09,297 Let me go! I'll kill him. I'll kill him! 1166 00:59:09,298 --> 00:59:11,816 You don't really mean you'll kill me, do you? 1167 00:59:19,016 --> 00:59:21,434 Is there anything wrong, gentlemen? I heard some noise. 1168 00:59:21,435 --> 00:59:25,521 Oh, no. Everything's all right. We're just... You know, friendly little argument. It's... 1169 00:59:25,522 --> 00:59:28,916 Um, listen, we're through with that diagram. You can take it if you want. 1170 00:59:30,194 --> 00:59:31,961 Here you are. Thank you. 1171 00:59:37,409 --> 00:59:39,594 What are you lookin' at? 1172 01:00:00,266 --> 01:00:02,392 I suppose somebody has to start it off again. 1173 01:00:02,393 --> 01:00:03,164 I beg pardon. 1174 01:00:03,190 --> 01:00:06,187 "I beg pardon." What are you so polite about? 1175 01:00:06,188 --> 01:00:08,356 For the same reason you're not. 1176 01:00:08,357 --> 01:00:10,458 It's the way I was brought up. 1177 01:00:12,278 --> 01:00:14,279 This fighting... 1178 01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,406 That's not why we are here, to fight. 1179 01:00:16,407 --> 01:00:18,883 We have a responsibility. 1180 01:00:19,952 --> 01:00:24,622 This, I have always thought, is a remarkable thing about democracy... 1181 01:00:24,623 --> 01:00:26,599 that we are... 1182 01:00:27,710 --> 01:00:30,378 Uh, what is the word? 1183 01:00:30,379 --> 01:00:33,548 Notified. That we are notified by mail... 1184 01:00:33,549 --> 01:00:37,969 to come down to this place to decide on the guilt or innocence... 1185 01:00:37,970 --> 01:00:42,098 of a man we have never heard of before. 1186 01:00:42,099 --> 01:00:46,744 We have nothing to gain or lose by... by our verdict. 1187 01:00:47,563 --> 01:00:50,790 This is one of the reasons why we are strong. 1188 01:00:51,984 --> 01:00:54,919 We should not make it a personal thing. 1189 01:00:56,155 --> 01:00:57,922 Thank you. 1190 01:00:59,033 --> 01:01:01,409 If nobody else has an idea, I may have a cutie here. 1191 01:01:01,410 --> 01:01:04,245 I mean, I haven't given it much thought, but let's throw it out on the stoop... 1192 01:01:04,246 --> 01:01:05,955 and see if the cat licks it up. 1193 01:01:05,956 --> 01:01:08,374 - The cat licks it up? - Yeah. If the boy... 1194 01:01:12,796 --> 01:01:15,006 Look how dark it's getting out there. 1195 01:01:15,007 --> 01:01:17,567 I'll bet we're gonna have a storm now. 1196 01:01:19,261 --> 01:01:21,821 Boy, oh, boy. It's really hot, huh? 1197 01:01:23,223 --> 01:01:26,117 Pardon me, but don't you ever sweat? 1198 01:01:27,436 --> 01:01:29,687 No, I don't. 1199 01:01:29,688 --> 01:01:31,773 Well, listen. I, uh... 1200 01:01:31,774 --> 01:01:35,026 I was wondering if, uh, maybe... 1201 01:01:35,027 --> 01:01:37,403 maybe we should take another vote. 1202 01:01:37,404 --> 01:01:41,783 Oh, great. Maybe we can follow this one up with a little dancing and refreshments, huh? 1203 01:01:41,784 --> 01:01:43,676 - Hmm. - Mr. Foreman? 1204 01:01:44,370 --> 01:01:47,997 Well, that's okay with me. Anyone doesn't want to vote? 1205 01:01:47,998 --> 01:01:51,292 - Hey, come on. Come on. - I'm sorry. 1206 01:01:51,293 --> 01:01:54,879 I think we ought to have an open ballot... call out our votes, you know. 1207 01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,173 Let's see who stands where. 1208 01:01:57,174 --> 01:01:59,775 That sounds fair to me. Anyone object? 1209 01:02:02,429 --> 01:02:05,239 Okay. I'll call off your jury numbers. One. 1210 01:02:06,141 --> 01:02:09,018 Oh, that's me. I vote guilty. 1211 01:02:09,019 --> 01:02:10,895 Two? 1212 01:02:10,896 --> 01:02:12,497 Not guilty. 1213 01:02:12,940 --> 01:02:15,875 - Number three? - Guilty. 1214 01:02:16,777 --> 01:02:18,419 Number four? 1215 01:02:19,822 --> 01:02:21,697 Guilty. 1216 01:02:21,698 --> 01:02:24,550 - Number five? - Not guilty. 1217 01:02:25,536 --> 01:02:28,930 - Number six? - Not guilty. 1218 01:02:29,832 --> 01:02:31,582 Number seven? 1219 01:02:31,583 --> 01:02:33,376 Guilty. 1220 01:02:33,377 --> 01:02:35,503 Number eight? 1221 01:02:35,504 --> 01:02:37,271 Not guilty. 1222 01:02:38,507 --> 01:02:41,509 - Number nine? - Not guilty. 1223 01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:43,778 - Number 10? - Guilty. 1224 01:02:45,472 --> 01:02:47,598 Number 11? 1225 01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:49,517 Not guilty. 1226 01:02:49,518 --> 01:02:51,118 Number 12? 1227 01:02:51,937 --> 01:02:54,355 Number 12. 1228 01:02:54,356 --> 01:02:55,957 Guilty. 1229 01:03:01,780 --> 01:03:03,948 The vote is now six to six. 1230 01:03:03,949 --> 01:03:07,201 Yeah, right. And we go into extra innings here, huh? 1231 01:03:09,538 --> 01:03:14,125 Six to six. I'm telling you, some of you people in here must be out of your minds. 1232 01:03:14,126 --> 01:03:16,043 A kid like that. 1233 01:03:16,044 --> 01:03:19,380 I don't think the kind of boy he is has anything to do with it. 1234 01:03:19,381 --> 01:03:21,549 The facts are supposed to determine the case. 1235 01:03:21,550 --> 01:03:23,801 Don't give me that! I'm sick and tired of facts! 1236 01:03:23,802 --> 01:03:25,887 You can twist them any way you like. You know what I mean? 1237 01:03:25,888 --> 01:03:28,556 That's exactly the point this gentleman has been making. 1238 01:03:28,557 --> 01:03:29,157 Oh! 1239 01:03:29,183 --> 01:03:31,559 I mean, you keep shouting at the top of your lungs. 1240 01:03:33,145 --> 01:03:35,146 I'd like to be a few years younger. 1241 01:03:35,147 --> 01:03:37,164 That man gets on my... 1242 01:03:40,444 --> 01:03:43,362 - My, it's hot in here, isn't it? - Do you want a drink of water? 1243 01:03:43,363 --> 01:03:47,158 No. No, thanks. Thanks. 1244 01:03:54,917 --> 01:03:56,792 It's gonna rain. 1245 01:03:56,793 --> 01:03:59,145 Well, how'd you figure that out, killer? 1246 01:04:00,297 --> 01:04:02,256 How come you changed your vote? 1247 01:04:02,257 --> 01:04:04,759 Well, it just seemed to me there was room for doubt. 1248 01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,053 You haven't got a leg to stand on. You know that, I hope. 1249 01:04:07,054 --> 01:04:10,139 I don't feel that way. There were a lot of details that never came out. 1250 01:04:10,140 --> 01:04:13,768 - Yeah. Well, good luck. - Oh, come on. You're like everybody else. 1251 01:04:13,769 --> 01:04:16,078 You think too much. You get mixed up. 1252 01:04:17,231 --> 01:04:18,363 You know what I mean? 1253 01:04:18,389 --> 01:04:21,275 Now, listen. I don't think you have any right... 1254 01:04:21,276 --> 01:04:23,945 Loudmouth. 1255 01:05:16,582 --> 01:05:19,183 Look at that come down, will you? 1256 01:05:20,252 --> 01:05:22,211 You know... 1257 01:05:22,212 --> 01:05:24,797 this reminds me of a storm we had last... 1258 01:05:24,798 --> 01:05:28,342 Oh, when was that? November... 1259 01:05:28,343 --> 01:05:31,512 I don't know. Something. It was quite a storm we had there. 1260 01:05:31,513 --> 01:05:33,973 It was right in the middle of a game. 1261 01:05:33,974 --> 01:05:36,684 Uh, we were behind 7-6... 1262 01:05:36,685 --> 01:05:39,353 but we just started to move the ball, right off the tackle. 1263 01:05:39,354 --> 01:05:42,231 Started cutting right... slash here and slash right in... 1264 01:05:42,232 --> 01:05:44,108 cut right through. 1265 01:05:44,109 --> 01:05:46,694 And, uh... 1266 01:05:46,695 --> 01:05:49,004 We had this kid Slattery, you know? 1267 01:05:50,073 --> 01:05:53,534 A real... He was an ox. You know, a real ox. 1268 01:05:53,535 --> 01:05:56,120 I wish I had another one just like him. 1269 01:05:56,121 --> 01:06:00,708 I forgot to tell you. I'm the assistant head coach at the Andrew J. McCorkle High School. 1270 01:06:00,709 --> 01:06:02,877 - Oh, yeah? - That's out in Queens. 1271 01:06:02,878 --> 01:06:05,713 And, uh, anyway... 1272 01:06:05,714 --> 01:06:07,882 we're starting to move along real nice. 1273 01:06:07,883 --> 01:06:11,152 Their whole line is just... they're just coming apart. 1274 01:06:12,346 --> 01:06:16,182 And it starts to come down cats and dogs, just like this. 1275 01:06:16,183 --> 01:06:18,909 Just whoosh... you know, right down. 1276 01:06:20,103 --> 01:06:23,564 Well, that was murder, you know? 1277 01:06:23,565 --> 01:06:26,233 I swear, I... I nearly bawled. 1278 01:06:26,234 --> 01:06:28,669 You just... You couldn't go nowhere. 1279 01:06:29,821 --> 01:06:31,255 Well. 1280 01:06:46,797 --> 01:06:49,398 Hey, what is it with this fan here? How come... 1281 01:06:57,057 --> 01:06:58,891 Hey! Huh? 1282 01:06:58,892 --> 01:07:02,286 Must have been on the same switch with the lights. 1283 01:07:03,188 --> 01:07:06,457 Well, things are looking up here, huh? 1284 01:07:07,025 --> 01:07:08,626 Yeah, huh? 1285 01:07:13,365 --> 01:07:15,466 Boy. That's better. 1286 01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:23,624 Hey! 1287 01:07:23,625 --> 01:07:25,392 Two points. 1288 01:07:29,297 --> 01:07:31,398 Any of you guys ever go to the Garden? 1289 01:07:33,593 --> 01:07:36,554 That's a damn stupid thing to do. 1290 01:07:36,555 --> 01:07:38,823 Oh, I'm sorry. I, uh... 1291 01:07:39,766 --> 01:07:41,242 You know? 1292 01:07:42,853 --> 01:07:44,453 Pardon me. 1293 01:07:45,439 --> 01:07:47,857 Well, how do you like it? Even Steven. 1294 01:07:47,858 --> 01:07:50,317 Pretty surprising, isn't it? 1295 01:07:50,318 --> 01:07:51,919 Yes. 1296 01:07:53,613 --> 01:07:57,199 Say, that business before, when that tall guy... what's-his-name... 1297 01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,994 was trying to bait me... That doesn't prove anything. 1298 01:07:59,995 --> 01:08:02,663 I'm a pretty excitable person. 1299 01:08:02,664 --> 01:08:06,584 I mean, where does he come off calling me a public avenger, sadist and everything? 1300 01:08:06,585 --> 01:08:10,171 Anyone in his right mind would blow his stack, huh? 1301 01:08:10,172 --> 01:08:12,548 He was just trying to bait me. 1302 01:08:12,549 --> 01:08:14,650 He did an excellent job. 1303 01:08:17,345 --> 01:08:19,638 I'll tell you what I think. We're going nowhere here. 1304 01:08:19,639 --> 01:08:22,266 I'm ready to walk into court right now and declare a hung jury. 1305 01:08:22,267 --> 01:08:24,185 There's no point in this thing going on any more. 1306 01:08:24,186 --> 01:08:25,603 Yeah. I go for that too. 1307 01:08:25,604 --> 01:08:28,522 Listen, let's take it in to the judge and let the kid take his chances with 12 other guys. 1308 01:08:28,523 --> 01:08:31,442 I don't think the judge will accept a hung jury. We haven't been in here very long. 1309 01:08:31,443 --> 01:08:33,194 Well, let's find out. 1310 01:08:33,195 --> 01:08:34,987 I'm not in favor of that. 1311 01:08:34,988 --> 01:08:38,282 Listen. This kid wouldn't stand a chance with another jury, and you know it. 1312 01:08:38,283 --> 01:08:41,202 Come on! We're hung. Nobody's gonna change his vote. Let's take it inside. 1313 01:08:41,203 --> 01:08:43,496 You still don't think there's room for reasonable doubt? 1314 01:08:43,497 --> 01:08:44,872 No, I don't. 1315 01:08:44,873 --> 01:08:46,248 Pardon. 1316 01:08:46,249 --> 01:08:49,585 Maybe you don't fully understand the term "reasonable doubt." 1317 01:08:49,586 --> 01:08:52,229 What do you mean I don't understand? 1318 01:08:53,215 --> 01:08:55,257 Boy, how do ya like this guy? 1319 01:08:55,258 --> 01:08:57,009 I'm tellin' ya, they're all alike. 1320 01:08:57,010 --> 01:08:59,929 They come over here, running for their life, and before they can take a deep breath... 1321 01:08:59,930 --> 01:09:02,389 they're telling us how to run the show, huh? 1322 01:09:02,390 --> 01:09:04,266 Boy, the arrogance of this guy. 1323 01:09:04,267 --> 01:09:08,938 Hey, all right. Let's stop the arguing for about two minutes in here. 1324 01:09:08,939 --> 01:09:11,398 Now, who's got something constructive to say? 1325 01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:15,027 I'd like to go over something, if you gentlemen don't mind. 1326 01:09:15,028 --> 01:09:17,780 An important point for the prosecution was the fact... 1327 01:09:17,781 --> 01:09:20,616 that after the boy claimed he'd been at the movies... 1328 01:09:20,617 --> 01:09:22,701 during the hours that the killing took place... 1329 01:09:22,702 --> 01:09:26,664 couldn't remember the names of the movies or the stars who appeared in them. 1330 01:09:26,665 --> 01:09:29,250 This gentleman here has put up that point in here several times. 1331 01:09:29,251 --> 01:09:30,793 That's correct. 1332 01:09:30,794 --> 01:09:32,753 It was the only alibi the boy offered... 1333 01:09:32,754 --> 01:09:35,339 and he himself couldn't back it up with any details at all. 1334 01:09:35,340 --> 01:09:38,676 Putting yourself in the boy's place, do you think you could remember details... 1335 01:09:38,677 --> 01:09:42,221 after an upsetting experience such as being slapped in the face by your father? 1336 01:09:42,222 --> 01:09:45,516 I think so, if there were any special details to remember. 1337 01:09:45,517 --> 01:09:47,221 The boy couldn't remember the names of the movies 1338 01:09:47,222 --> 01:09:48,769 he saw because be wasn't there that night. 1339 01:09:48,770 --> 01:09:50,896 According to the police testimony in court... 1340 01:09:50,897 --> 01:09:54,108 the boy was questioned by the detectives in the kitchen of his apartment... 1341 01:09:54,109 --> 01:09:57,111 while the body of his father was lying on the floor in the bedroom. 1342 01:09:57,112 --> 01:09:59,780 Do you think you could remember details under those circumstances? 1343 01:09:59,781 --> 01:10:01,866 - I do. - Under great emotional stress? 1344 01:10:01,867 --> 01:10:04,451 - Under great emotional stress. - He remembered them correctly in court. 1345 01:10:04,452 --> 01:10:06,495 He named the pictures and the stars who played in them. 1346 01:10:06,496 --> 01:10:09,748 Yes. His lawyer took great pains to bring that out. 1347 01:10:09,749 --> 01:10:12,376 He had three months from the night of the murder to the day of the trial... 1348 01:10:12,377 --> 01:10:14,086 in which to memorize them. 1349 01:10:14,087 --> 01:10:16,839 It's not difficult for a lawyer to find out what played at a particular theater... 1350 01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,591 on a particular night. 1351 01:10:18,592 --> 01:10:20,407 I'll take the testimony of the policemen who 1352 01:10:20,433 --> 01:10:22,303 interrogated the boy right after the murder... 1353 01:10:22,304 --> 01:10:24,805 when he couldn't remember a thing about the movies... 1354 01:10:24,806 --> 01:10:26,807 great emotional stress or not. 1355 01:10:26,808 --> 01:10:30,185 - I'd like to ask you a personal question. - Go ahead. 1356 01:10:30,186 --> 01:10:33,522 - Where were you last night? - I was home. 1357 01:10:33,523 --> 01:10:36,150 - How about the night before that? - Come on! What is this? 1358 01:10:36,151 --> 01:10:37,568 No, it's all right. 1359 01:10:37,569 --> 01:10:40,195 I left the office at 8:30 and went straight home and to bed. 1360 01:10:40,196 --> 01:10:41,947 And the night before that? 1361 01:10:41,948 --> 01:10:44,450 That was, uh, Tuesday night? 1362 01:10:44,451 --> 01:10:46,535 The night of the bridge tournament. I played bridge. 1363 01:10:46,536 --> 01:10:47,953 Monday night? 1364 01:10:47,954 --> 01:10:51,265 When you get down to New Year's Eve, 1954, let me know, huh? 1365 01:10:53,168 --> 01:10:55,227 Monday night? 1366 01:10:56,379 --> 01:10:59,465 Monday night, uh, my wife and I went to the movies. 1367 01:10:59,466 --> 01:11:01,175 - What did you see? - The Scarlet Circle. 1368 01:11:01,176 --> 01:11:04,511 - It was a clever whodunit. - What was the second feature? 1369 01:11:04,512 --> 01:11:07,222 The, um... 1370 01:11:07,223 --> 01:11:09,975 I'll tell you in a minute. The, uh... 1371 01:11:09,976 --> 01:11:14,229 Remarkable Mrs., uh, something... 1372 01:11:14,230 --> 01:11:16,774 The... 1373 01:11:16,775 --> 01:11:19,526 Mrs. Bainbridge. The Remarkable Mrs. Bainbridge. 1374 01:11:19,527 --> 01:11:22,379 I saw that. It's called The Amazing Mrs. Bainbridge. 1375 01:11:23,573 --> 01:11:26,033 Uh, yes. The Amazing Mrs. Bainbridge. I think that's right. 1376 01:11:26,034 --> 01:11:28,619 Who was in The Amazing Mrs. Bainbridge? 1377 01:11:28,620 --> 01:11:32,373 Barbara... Long, I think it was. 1378 01:11:32,374 --> 01:11:34,475 A dark, very pretty girl. 1379 01:11:35,710 --> 01:11:38,295 Ling or Long... something like that. 1380 01:11:38,296 --> 01:11:41,590 - Who else? - I'd never heard of them before. 1381 01:11:41,591 --> 01:11:46,095 It was a very inexpensive second feature with, uh, unknown... 1382 01:11:46,096 --> 01:11:49,323 And you weren't under an emotional stress, were you? 1383 01:11:52,143 --> 01:11:54,353 No. 1384 01:11:54,354 --> 01:11:56,121 I wasn't. 1385 01:11:57,899 --> 01:11:59,733 I think the point is made. 1386 01:11:59,734 --> 01:12:02,569 Big point! 1387 01:12:02,570 --> 01:12:04,822 You can talk till your tongue is draggin' on the floor. 1388 01:12:04,823 --> 01:12:08,993 The boy is guilty, period. You know what I mean, my friend? 1389 01:12:08,994 --> 01:12:12,346 - Who's got those cough drops? - They're all gone, my friend. 1390 01:12:14,249 --> 01:12:16,583 Oh, boy. Look at that rain. 1391 01:12:16,584 --> 01:12:19,044 There goes your ball game. 1392 01:12:19,045 --> 01:12:21,547 It's only a shower. 1393 01:12:21,548 --> 01:12:23,799 Besides, they got the infield covered. 1394 01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,069 Right. Say, could I see that knife a second, please? 1395 01:12:29,764 --> 01:12:32,182 Well, we're still tied up six to six. 1396 01:12:32,183 --> 01:12:34,268 Who's got a suggestion? 1397 01:12:34,269 --> 01:12:36,353 It's five after 6:00. Let's get some dinner. 1398 01:12:36,354 --> 01:12:38,897 Why don't we wait till 7:00, give it another hour, huh? 1399 01:12:38,898 --> 01:12:41,108 Okay with me. 1400 01:12:41,109 --> 01:12:43,360 Uh, there's something I'd like to say. 1401 01:12:43,361 --> 01:12:46,989 I mean, it's been bothering me a little, and as long as we're stuck. 1402 01:12:46,990 --> 01:12:50,951 Well, there was this whole business about the stab wound and how it was made... 1403 01:12:50,952 --> 01:12:52,661 the downward angle of it, you know? 1404 01:12:52,662 --> 01:12:54,747 Don't tell me we're gonna start with that again. 1405 01:12:54,748 --> 01:12:56,457 They've been over it and over it. 1406 01:12:56,458 --> 01:12:58,834 Well, I know they did, but I don't go along with it. 1407 01:12:58,835 --> 01:13:02,921 Now, the boy was 5 feet 7 inches tall. His father was 6'2... 1408 01:13:02,922 --> 01:13:05,174 That's a difference of seven inches. 1409 01:13:05,175 --> 01:13:07,926 It's a very awkward thing to stab down into the chest of someone... 1410 01:13:07,927 --> 01:13:10,012 who's more than half a foot taller than you are. 1411 01:13:10,013 --> 01:13:12,222 Give me that. 1412 01:13:12,223 --> 01:13:15,117 I'll give you a demonstration. Somebody get up. 1413 01:13:16,394 --> 01:13:18,412 You... 1414 01:13:22,817 --> 01:13:25,611 I want you to watch this 'cause I don't want to have to do it again. 1415 01:13:25,612 --> 01:13:28,447 I'll make myself about six or seven inches shorter, okay? 1416 01:13:28,448 --> 01:13:31,675 - It's about right. Maybe a little more. - Okay. A little more. 1417 01:13:39,375 --> 01:13:41,894 That's not funny. 1418 01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:47,816 Now, nobody's hurt. Right? 1419 01:13:48,384 --> 01:13:50,277 Right. Nobody hurt. 1420 01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:58,519 Now, this is the way I'd stab a man who was taller than I was. 1421 01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,063 Look at the angle... down and in. 1422 01:14:01,064 --> 01:14:03,232 And this is the way it was done. 1423 01:14:03,233 --> 01:14:05,500 Now tell me I'm wrong. 1424 01:14:07,612 --> 01:14:11,115 - Down and in. I guess there's no argument. - Hold it a minute, will ya? 1425 01:14:11,116 --> 01:14:13,050 Can you give me that? 1426 01:14:13,952 --> 01:14:15,953 Boy, I hate these things. 1427 01:14:15,954 --> 01:14:17,704 - Did you ever see a knife fight? - No. 1428 01:14:17,705 --> 01:14:19,373 - You? - No. 1429 01:14:19,374 --> 01:14:22,251 Anybody here ever see a knife fight? 1430 01:14:22,252 --> 01:14:25,129 Well, I have. You know, on my back stoop... 1431 01:14:25,130 --> 01:14:27,548 the lot across the street, backyard. 1432 01:14:27,549 --> 01:14:30,050 Switchblades came with the neighborhood where I lived. 1433 01:14:30,051 --> 01:14:33,387 It's funny I never thought of it before. I guess you try to forget those things. 1434 01:14:33,388 --> 01:14:36,865 - How do you use a switchblade? - Well, you'd never use it like this. 1435 01:14:38,518 --> 01:14:40,911 See, you use too much time switching hands. 1436 01:14:42,564 --> 01:14:45,165 Here's how... underhanded. 1437 01:14:47,777 --> 01:14:50,904 Anyone who's ever used a switch knife wouldn't handle it any other way. 1438 01:14:50,905 --> 01:14:53,615 - Are you sure? - I'm sure. 1439 01:14:53,616 --> 01:14:55,534 That's why they're made to open like that. 1440 01:14:55,535 --> 01:14:57,703 You'd say the boy was pretty handy with a knife? 1441 01:14:57,729 --> 01:14:58,245 Mm-hmm. 1442 01:14:58,246 --> 01:15:01,498 You think he could have made the kind of wound that killed his father? 1443 01:15:01,499 --> 01:15:05,502 No. Not with the experience he'd had all his life handling these things. 1444 01:15:05,503 --> 01:15:07,588 I feel he'd have gone for him underhanded. 1445 01:15:07,589 --> 01:15:10,716 How do you know? Were you in the room when the father was killed? 1446 01:15:10,717 --> 01:15:12,801 No. Neither was anybody else. 1447 01:15:12,802 --> 01:15:16,096 So what are you giving us all this mumbo jumbo for? I don't believe it. 1448 01:15:16,097 --> 01:15:17,747 I don't think you can determine what type of 1449 01:15:17,773 --> 01:15:19,433 wound the boy might or might not have made... 1450 01:15:19,434 --> 01:15:22,144 simply because he knew how to handle a knife. 1451 01:15:22,145 --> 01:15:24,563 What do you think? 1452 01:15:24,564 --> 01:15:26,732 - I don't know. - What do you mean you don't know? 1453 01:15:26,733 --> 01:15:28,667 I don't know. 1454 01:15:32,780 --> 01:15:34,865 How about you? 1455 01:15:34,866 --> 01:15:36,777 I don't know about the rest of them, but I'm getting a 1456 01:15:36,778 --> 01:15:38,702 little tired of this yackety-yackin' back and forth. 1457 01:15:38,703 --> 01:15:42,247 It's gettin' us nowhere. So I guess I'll have to break it up. 1458 01:15:42,248 --> 01:15:44,875 I change my vote to not guilty. 1459 01:15:44,876 --> 01:15:48,295 - You what? - You heard me. I've had enough. 1460 01:15:48,296 --> 01:15:50,839 What do you mean you've had enough? That's no answer! 1461 01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:54,885 Hey, listen. You just take care of yourself, huh? You know? 1462 01:15:54,886 --> 01:15:58,931 He's right. That's not an answer. 1463 01:15:58,932 --> 01:16:01,975 What kind of a man are you? 1464 01:16:01,976 --> 01:16:05,187 You have sat here and voted guilty with everyone else... 1465 01:16:05,188 --> 01:16:09,524 because there are some baseball tickets burning a hole in your pocket. 1466 01:16:09,525 --> 01:16:13,879 And now you've changed your vote because you say you're sick of all the talking here? 1467 01:16:14,781 --> 01:16:16,323 Now listen, buddy! 1468 01:16:16,324 --> 01:16:21,078 Who tells you that you have the right to play like this with a man's life? 1469 01:16:21,079 --> 01:16:23,664 - Don't you care... - Now wait a minute! 1470 01:16:23,665 --> 01:16:27,751 - You can't talk like that to me! - I can talk like that to you. 1471 01:16:27,752 --> 01:16:29,711 If you want to vote not guilty... 1472 01:16:29,712 --> 01:16:32,172 then do it because you are convinced the man is not guilty... 1473 01:16:32,173 --> 01:16:34,049 not because you've had enough. 1474 01:16:34,050 --> 01:16:36,718 And if you think he is guilty, then vote that way. 1475 01:16:36,719 --> 01:16:40,013 Or don't you have the guts to do what you think is right? 1476 01:16:40,014 --> 01:16:42,366 - Now listen. - Guilty or not guilty? 1477 01:16:43,059 --> 01:16:46,745 - I told you, not guilty. - Why? 1478 01:16:48,314 --> 01:16:50,023 Look, I don't have to... 1479 01:16:50,024 --> 01:16:53,235 You do have to! Say it! Why? 1480 01:16:53,236 --> 01:16:55,796 All right. I don't, uh, think he's guilty. 1481 01:17:05,206 --> 01:17:06,915 I want another vote. 1482 01:17:06,916 --> 01:17:09,501 Okay. There's another vote called for. 1483 01:17:09,502 --> 01:17:12,462 I guess the quickest way is a show of hands. Anyone object? 1484 01:17:12,463 --> 01:17:15,482 Okay. All those voting not guilty, raise your hands. 1485 01:17:16,301 --> 01:17:21,571 One, two, three, four, five, six, seven... 1486 01:17:24,309 --> 01:17:26,076 eight. 1487 01:17:29,897 --> 01:17:32,124 Um, nine. 1488 01:17:33,026 --> 01:17:38,113 Um, all those voting guilty, raise your hands. 1489 01:17:38,114 --> 01:17:40,574 One, two, three. 1490 01:17:40,575 --> 01:17:43,176 Well, the vote's nine to three in favor of acquittal. 1491 01:17:44,078 --> 01:17:46,330 I don't understand you people! 1492 01:17:46,331 --> 01:17:48,582 I mean, all these picky little points you keep bringing up. 1493 01:17:48,583 --> 01:17:52,002 They don't mean nothing! You saw this kid just like I did. 1494 01:17:52,003 --> 01:17:55,589 You're not gonna tell me you believe that phony story about losing the knife... 1495 01:17:55,590 --> 01:17:57,674 and that business about being at the movies. 1496 01:17:57,675 --> 01:18:00,761 Look, you know how these people lie. It's born in them. 1497 01:18:00,762 --> 01:18:02,888 I mean, what the heck. I don't have to tell you. 1498 01:18:02,889 --> 01:18:04,931 They don't know what the truth is. 1499 01:18:04,932 --> 01:18:08,727 And let me tell you, they don't need any real big reason to kill someone either. 1500 01:18:08,728 --> 01:18:10,562 No, sir. 1501 01:18:10,563 --> 01:18:13,690 They get drunk! Oh, they're real big drinkers, all of 'em. 1502 01:18:13,691 --> 01:18:16,943 You know that. And bang... someone's lying in the gutter. 1503 01:18:16,944 --> 01:18:20,030 Well, nobody's blaming them for it. That's the way they are, by nature. 1504 01:18:20,031 --> 01:18:22,199 You know what I mean? Violent! 1505 01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:23,784 Where are you going? 1506 01:18:23,785 --> 01:18:26,887 Human life don't mean as much to them as it does to us. 1507 01:18:27,789 --> 01:18:30,874 Look! They're lushing it up and fighting all the time... 1508 01:18:30,875 --> 01:18:32,959 and if somebody gets killed, so somebody gets killed! 1509 01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:34,419 They don't care! 1510 01:18:34,420 --> 01:18:36,713 Oh, sure, there's some good things about 'em too. 1511 01:18:36,714 --> 01:18:38,757 Look, I'm the first one to say that. 1512 01:18:38,758 --> 01:18:42,135 I've known a couple who were okay, but that's the exception, you know what I mean? 1513 01:18:42,136 --> 01:18:45,972 Most of 'em, it's like they have no feelings. They can do anything. 1514 01:18:45,973 --> 01:18:48,642 What's going on here? 1515 01:18:48,643 --> 01:18:50,769 I'm... I'm trying to tell ya... 1516 01:18:50,770 --> 01:18:52,854 you're making a big mistake, you people. 1517 01:18:52,855 --> 01:18:55,957 This kid is a liar! I know it. I know all about them. 1518 01:18:57,568 --> 01:18:59,820 Listen to me. They're no good. 1519 01:18:59,821 --> 01:19:02,255 There's not a one of 'em who's any good. 1520 01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:06,743 I mean, what... What's happening in here? 1521 01:19:06,744 --> 01:19:09,095 I'm speaking my piece, and you... 1522 01:19:10,206 --> 01:19:11,973 Listen to me. 1523 01:19:12,959 --> 01:19:14,501 I... 1524 01:19:14,502 --> 01:19:17,045 We're... This kid on trial here, his type... 1525 01:19:17,046 --> 01:19:19,147 Well, don't you know about them? 1526 01:19:21,008 --> 01:19:24,553 Th-There's... There's a danger here. 1527 01:19:24,554 --> 01:19:26,721 These people are dangerous. 1528 01:19:26,722 --> 01:19:29,850 They're... wild. 1529 01:19:29,851 --> 01:19:31,852 Listen to me. 1530 01:19:31,853 --> 01:19:34,271 - Listen. - I have. 1531 01:19:34,272 --> 01:19:37,374 Now sit down and don't open your mouth again. 1532 01:19:41,195 --> 01:19:44,047 I was only trying to... tell you. 1533 01:20:20,443 --> 01:20:24,838 It's always difficult to keep personal prejudice out of a thing like this. 1534 01:20:25,865 --> 01:20:29,968 Wherever you run into it, prejudice always obscures the truth. 1535 01:20:31,454 --> 01:20:33,914 I don't really know what the truth is. 1536 01:20:33,915 --> 01:20:36,933 I don't suppose anybody will ever really know. 1537 01:20:38,127 --> 01:20:42,172 Nine of us now seem to feel that the defendant is innocent. 1538 01:20:42,173 --> 01:20:45,258 But we're just gambling on probabilities. 1539 01:20:45,259 --> 01:20:47,302 We may be wrong. 1540 01:20:47,303 --> 01:20:49,763 We may be trying to let a guilty man go free. 1541 01:20:49,764 --> 01:20:51,306 I don't know. 1542 01:20:51,307 --> 01:20:53,391 Nobody really can. 1543 01:20:53,392 --> 01:20:55,852 But we have a reasonable doubt... 1544 01:20:55,853 --> 01:20:59,439 and that's something that's very valuable in our system. 1545 01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:04,085 No jury can declare a man guilty unless it's sure. 1546 01:21:05,446 --> 01:21:07,906 We nine can't understand... 1547 01:21:07,907 --> 01:21:10,717 how you three are still so sure. 1548 01:21:11,452 --> 01:21:13,553 - Maybe you can tell us. - I'll try. 1549 01:21:14,830 --> 01:21:18,416 You've made some excellent points, but I still believe the boy is guilty of murder... 1550 01:21:18,417 --> 01:21:20,210 and I have two reasons. 1551 01:21:20,211 --> 01:21:23,421 One, the evidence given by the woman across the street... 1552 01:21:23,422 --> 01:21:26,132 who actually saw the murder committed. 1553 01:21:26,133 --> 01:21:28,802 As far as I'm concerned, that's the most important testimony. 1554 01:21:28,803 --> 01:21:32,138 And two, the fact that she described the stabbing by saying... 1555 01:21:32,139 --> 01:21:37,852 she saw the boy raise his arm over his head and stab down into the father's chest. 1556 01:21:37,853 --> 01:21:39,980 She saw him do it the wrong way. 1557 01:21:39,981 --> 01:21:41,982 That's absolutely right. 1558 01:21:41,983 --> 01:21:44,651 Let's talk about this woman for a moment. 1559 01:21:44,652 --> 01:21:47,821 She said she went to bed about 11:00 that night. 1560 01:21:47,822 --> 01:21:51,491 Her bed was next to the window, and she could look out while lying down... 1561 01:21:51,492 --> 01:21:55,662 and see directly into the boy's room across the street. 1562 01:21:55,663 --> 01:21:58,373 She tossed and turned for over an hour, unable to sleep. 1563 01:21:58,374 --> 01:22:02,627 Finally, she turned toward the window at about 10 minutes after 12:00... 1564 01:22:02,628 --> 01:22:07,841 and, as she looked out, she saw the killing through the windows of a passing el train. 1565 01:22:07,842 --> 01:22:10,635 She said the lights went out immediately after the killing... 1566 01:22:10,636 --> 01:22:15,532 but that she got a good look at the boy in the act of stabbing his father. 1567 01:22:16,434 --> 01:22:20,370 As far as I can see it, this is unshakable testimony. 1568 01:22:21,022 --> 01:22:23,790 - Well, that's the whole case. - What do you think? 1569 01:22:29,071 --> 01:22:30,839 How about you? 1570 01:22:32,366 --> 01:22:34,909 I-I don't know. 1571 01:22:34,910 --> 01:22:36,995 So much evidence to sift. 1572 01:22:36,996 --> 01:22:39,039 This is a pretty complicated business. 1573 01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:42,917 Frankly, I don't see how you can vote for acquittal. 1574 01:22:42,918 --> 01:22:45,337 It's not so easy to arrange all the evidence in order. 1575 01:22:45,338 --> 01:22:47,464 You can throw out all the other evidence! 1576 01:22:47,465 --> 01:22:51,134 The woman saw him do it! What else do you want? 1577 01:22:51,135 --> 01:22:53,094 - Yeah, well, maybe... - Let's vote on it. 1578 01:22:53,095 --> 01:22:55,347 Okay. There's another vote called for. 1579 01:22:55,348 --> 01:22:57,265 Anybody object? 1580 01:22:57,266 --> 01:23:00,393 All right. I'm changing my vote. He's guilty. 1581 01:23:00,394 --> 01:23:02,896 Anybody else? The vote is eight to four. 1582 01:23:02,897 --> 01:23:06,566 Why is this such a personal triumph for you... this one vote? 1583 01:23:06,567 --> 01:23:10,111 Okay. I say we're a hung jury. I say we take it in to the judge. 1584 01:23:10,112 --> 01:23:12,906 How about it? I want to hear arguments. 1585 01:23:12,907 --> 01:23:15,508 You, you're the leader of the cause. What about it? 1586 01:23:17,662 --> 01:23:19,579 Let's go over it again. 1587 01:23:19,580 --> 01:23:21,581 We've been over it again! 1588 01:23:21,582 --> 01:23:24,160 The boy in the gray flannel suit here is bouncin' 1589 01:23:24,161 --> 01:23:26,461 backwards and forwards like a tennis ball. 1590 01:23:26,462 --> 01:23:30,398 No point in getting nasty and trying to turn this into a contest. 1591 01:23:32,259 --> 01:23:33,802 Okay. 1592 01:23:33,803 --> 01:23:36,930 Maybe we can talk about setting some kind of time limit. 1593 01:23:36,931 --> 01:23:39,157 Yeah, once around for the deal, huh? 1594 01:23:39,767 --> 01:23:43,603 It's a quarter after 6:00. 1595 01:23:43,604 --> 01:23:45,647 Someone before mentioned 7:00. 1596 01:23:45,648 --> 01:23:48,108 I think that's a point at which we might begin to discuss... 1597 01:23:48,109 --> 01:23:51,444 the question of whether we're a hung jury or not. 1598 01:23:51,445 --> 01:23:53,213 Don't you feel well? 1599 01:23:54,448 --> 01:23:56,491 I feel perfectly well, thank you. 1600 01:23:56,492 --> 01:23:59,285 I was saying that 7:00 would be a reasonable time. 1601 01:23:59,286 --> 01:24:02,288 Uh, the reason I asked about that was because, uh... 1602 01:24:02,289 --> 01:24:03,957 you were rubbing your nose like... 1603 01:24:03,958 --> 01:24:06,710 Oh, I'm sorry for interrupting... 1604 01:24:06,711 --> 01:24:10,004 but you made a gesture that reminded me of something. 1605 01:24:10,005 --> 01:24:12,132 I'm trying to settle something here. Do you mind? 1606 01:24:12,133 --> 01:24:14,234 Well, I think this is important. 1607 01:24:15,219 --> 01:24:17,095 Thank you. 1608 01:24:17,096 --> 01:24:19,806 Now then, I'm sure you'll pardon me for this... 1609 01:24:19,807 --> 01:24:22,809 but I was wondering why you were rubbing your nose like that. 1610 01:24:22,810 --> 01:24:24,561 Oh, come on, will ya? 1611 01:24:24,562 --> 01:24:28,815 At this point, I happen to be talking to the gentleman sitting next to you! 1612 01:24:28,816 --> 01:24:32,152 Now, why were you rubbing your nose like that? 1613 01:24:32,153 --> 01:24:36,322 Well, if it's any of your business, I was rubbing it because it bothers me a little. 1614 01:24:36,323 --> 01:24:38,032 Oh. I'm sorry. 1615 01:24:38,033 --> 01:24:41,995 - Is it... Is it because of your eyeglasses? - It is. 1616 01:24:41,996 --> 01:24:43,830 Now can we get on to something else? 1617 01:24:43,831 --> 01:24:48,501 Your eyeglasses made those two deep impressions on the sides of your nose. 1618 01:24:48,502 --> 01:24:50,754 I hadn't noticed that before. 1619 01:24:50,755 --> 01:24:54,340 - That must be annoying. - It is very annoying. 1620 01:24:54,341 --> 01:24:56,342 Well, I wouldn't know about that. 1621 01:24:56,343 --> 01:24:59,763 I've never worn eyeglasses. Twenty-twenty. 1622 01:24:59,764 --> 01:25:02,407 Listen, will you come on already with the optometrist bit? 1623 01:25:04,226 --> 01:25:07,854 The woman who testified that she saw the killing... 1624 01:25:07,855 --> 01:25:11,499 had those same marks on the sides of her nose. 1625 01:25:12,401 --> 01:25:14,694 Holy smokes! You know, he's right. 1626 01:25:14,695 --> 01:25:16,446 Please. 1627 01:25:16,447 --> 01:25:20,283 Just give me a minute, and I'll be finished. 1628 01:25:20,284 --> 01:25:23,203 I don't know if anyone else noticed that about her. 1629 01:25:23,204 --> 01:25:27,181 I didn't think of it then, but I've been going over her face... 1630 01:25:28,125 --> 01:25:30,335 in my mind. 1631 01:25:30,336 --> 01:25:32,437 She had those same marks. 1632 01:25:33,339 --> 01:25:37,609 - She kept rubbing them in court. - He's right. She did do that a lot. 1633 01:25:38,552 --> 01:25:43,306 This woman was about, uh... about 45 years old. 1634 01:25:43,307 --> 01:25:47,352 She was making a tremendous effort to look 35... 1635 01:25:47,353 --> 01:25:49,646 for her first public appearance. 1636 01:25:49,647 --> 01:25:52,982 Heavy makeup, dyed hair... 1637 01:25:52,983 --> 01:25:56,945 brand-new clothes that should have been worn by a younger woman. 1638 01:25:56,946 --> 01:25:58,696 No glasses. 1639 01:25:58,697 --> 01:26:00,448 No, women do that. 1640 01:26:00,449 --> 01:26:02,951 See if you can get the mental picture of it. 1641 01:26:02,952 --> 01:26:04,869 What do you mean, no glasses? 1642 01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:07,664 How do you know whether she wore glasses? Just 'cause she was rubbing her nose? 1643 01:26:07,665 --> 01:26:09,958 Now, she had those marks. I saw 'em. 1644 01:26:09,959 --> 01:26:11,960 So what? What do ya think that means? 1645 01:26:11,961 --> 01:26:14,228 Listen, I'm getting so sick of your yelling in here! 1646 01:26:14,254 --> 01:26:15,255 Come on. Forget it. 1647 01:26:15,256 --> 01:26:18,341 Hey, listen. Listen, he's right. I saw them too. 1648 01:26:18,342 --> 01:26:21,553 I was the closest one to her. She had these, these things on the side of her nose. 1649 01:26:21,554 --> 01:26:24,848 - What do you call those on the side? - Well, what point are you making here? 1650 01:26:24,849 --> 01:26:28,810 She had dyed hair, marks on her nose. Well, what does that mean? 1651 01:26:28,811 --> 01:26:33,206 Could those marks be made by anything other than eyeglasses? 1652 01:26:36,694 --> 01:26:39,112 No, they couldn't. 1653 01:26:39,113 --> 01:26:41,214 I didn't see any marks! 1654 01:26:42,741 --> 01:26:44,534 I did. 1655 01:26:44,535 --> 01:26:47,161 Strange, but I didn't think about it before. 1656 01:26:47,162 --> 01:26:49,372 Well, what about the lawyer? Why didn't he say something? 1657 01:26:49,373 --> 01:26:52,375 There are 12 people in here concentrating on this case. 1658 01:26:52,376 --> 01:26:54,544 Eleven of us didn't think of it either. 1659 01:26:54,545 --> 01:26:57,797 Well, what about the district attorney? Do you think he'd pull a trick like that? 1660 01:26:57,798 --> 01:26:59,774 Have her testify without her glasses? 1661 01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:01,706 Did you ever see a woman who had to wear glasses and 1662 01:27:01,707 --> 01:27:03,803 didn't want to because she thinks they spoil her looks? 1663 01:27:03,804 --> 01:27:07,390 Okay. She had marks on her nose. 1664 01:27:07,391 --> 01:27:11,144 I'm giving you that. From glasses, right? 1665 01:27:11,145 --> 01:27:15,398 She didn't want to wear 'em out of the house so people would think she's gorgeous. 1666 01:27:15,399 --> 01:27:20,069 But when she saw this kid killing his father, she was in the house alone. 1667 01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:22,363 That's all. 1668 01:27:22,364 --> 01:27:26,467 - Do you wear glasses when you go to bed? - No, I don't. 1669 01:27:28,078 --> 01:27:30,079 No one wears eyeglasses to bed. 1670 01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:33,166 It's logical to assume that she wasn't wearing them when she was in bed... 1671 01:27:33,167 --> 01:27:35,001 tossing and turning, trying to fall asleep. 1672 01:27:35,002 --> 01:27:37,420 - How do you know? - I don't know! I'm guessing. 1673 01:27:37,421 --> 01:27:39,964 I'm also guessing that she probably didn't put her glasses on... 1674 01:27:39,965 --> 01:27:42,175 when she turned to look casually out of the window. 1675 01:27:42,176 --> 01:27:45,011 And she herself testified the killing took place just as she looked out. 1676 01:27:45,012 --> 01:27:46,471 The lights went off a split second later. 1677 01:27:46,497 --> 01:27:48,139 She couldn't have had time to put them on then. 1678 01:27:48,140 --> 01:27:49,849 - Wait a second. - Here's another guess. 1679 01:27:49,850 --> 01:27:54,020 Maybe she honestly thought she saw the boy kill his father. I say she only saw a blur. 1680 01:27:54,021 --> 01:27:57,690 How do you know what she saw? How does he know all that? 1681 01:27:57,691 --> 01:28:00,526 How do you know what kind of glasses she wore? Maybe they were sunglasses. 1682 01:28:00,527 --> 01:28:03,237 Maybe she was farsighted. What do you know about it? 1683 01:28:03,238 --> 01:28:06,574 I only know the woman's eyesight is in question now. 1684 01:28:06,575 --> 01:28:12,789 She had to be able to identify a person 60 feet away, at night, without glasses. 1685 01:28:12,790 --> 01:28:15,249 You can't send someone off to die on evidence like that. 1686 01:28:15,250 --> 01:28:17,335 Oh, don't give me that. 1687 01:28:17,336 --> 01:28:19,587 Don't you think the woman might have made a mistake? 1688 01:28:19,588 --> 01:28:22,090 - No. - It's not possible? 1689 01:28:22,091 --> 01:28:23,816 No, it's not possible. 1690 01:28:26,679 --> 01:28:28,696 Is it possible? 1691 01:28:29,723 --> 01:28:31,491 Not guilty. 1692 01:28:35,562 --> 01:28:38,314 Do you think he's guilty? 1693 01:28:38,315 --> 01:28:40,416 I think he's guilty. 1694 01:28:43,070 --> 01:28:44,837 Do you? 1695 01:28:47,616 --> 01:28:50,743 No. I'm convinced. 1696 01:28:50,744 --> 01:28:52,412 Not guilty. 1697 01:28:52,413 --> 01:28:54,288 What's the matter with you? 1698 01:28:54,289 --> 01:28:56,290 I have a reasonable doubt now. 1699 01:28:56,291 --> 01:28:57,917 Eleven to one. 1700 01:28:57,918 --> 01:29:00,920 Well, what about all the other evidence? What about all that stuff? 1701 01:29:00,921 --> 01:29:03,089 The knife, the whole business! 1702 01:29:03,090 --> 01:29:06,109 Well, you said we could throw out all the other evidence. 1703 01:29:11,765 --> 01:29:14,033 Well, what do we do now? 1704 01:29:16,937 --> 01:29:18,688 You're alone. 1705 01:29:18,689 --> 01:29:22,625 I don't care whether I'm alone or not! It's my right. 1706 01:29:25,696 --> 01:29:27,964 It's your right. 1707 01:29:36,999 --> 01:29:39,517 Well, what do you want? I say he's guilty. 1708 01:29:41,045 --> 01:29:44,480 - We want to hear your arguments. - I gave you my arguments. 1709 01:29:45,382 --> 01:29:47,592 We're not convinced. 1710 01:29:47,593 --> 01:29:50,470 We want to hear them again. 1711 01:29:50,471 --> 01:29:52,572 We have as much time as it takes. 1712 01:29:58,145 --> 01:30:02,690 Everything... Every single thing that took place in that courtroom... 1713 01:30:02,691 --> 01:30:04,692 but I mean everything... says he's guilty. 1714 01:30:04,693 --> 01:30:07,253 What do you think, I'm an idiot or something? 1715 01:30:08,822 --> 01:30:10,990 Why don't you take that stuff about the old man? 1716 01:30:10,991 --> 01:30:14,260 The old man who lived there and heard everything. 1717 01:30:15,829 --> 01:30:17,580 Or this business about the knife. 1718 01:30:17,581 --> 01:30:19,665 What? 'Cause he found another one exactly like it? 1719 01:30:19,666 --> 01:30:23,086 The old man saw him right there on the stairs! 1720 01:30:23,087 --> 01:30:26,022 What's the difference how many seconds it was? 1721 01:30:27,091 --> 01:30:29,192 Every single thing. 1722 01:30:30,511 --> 01:30:33,763 The knife falling through a hole in his pocket. 1723 01:30:33,764 --> 01:30:37,183 You can't prove he didn't get to the door. 1724 01:30:37,184 --> 01:30:39,685 Sure, you can take all the time, hobble around the room. 1725 01:30:39,686 --> 01:30:42,371 But you can't prove it! 1726 01:30:44,191 --> 01:30:47,902 And what about this business of the el and the movies? 1727 01:30:47,903 --> 01:30:51,030 There's a phony deal if I ever heard one. 1728 01:30:51,031 --> 01:30:55,326 I'll bet ya $5,000 I'd remember the movies I saw. 1729 01:30:55,327 --> 01:30:57,662 I'm telling ya, everything that's gone on... 1730 01:30:57,663 --> 01:31:01,582 has been twisted and turned! 1731 01:31:01,583 --> 01:31:03,751 This business with the glasses? 1732 01:31:03,752 --> 01:31:09,382 How do you know she didn't have them on? This woman testified in open court! 1733 01:31:09,383 --> 01:31:13,427 And what about hearing the kid yell, huh? 1734 01:31:13,428 --> 01:31:16,781 I'm telling ya, I've got all the facts here. 1735 01:31:17,850 --> 01:31:19,825 Here. Ah... 1736 01:31:22,104 --> 01:31:24,705 Well, that's it! That's the whole case. 1737 01:31:31,822 --> 01:31:33,506 Well? 1738 01:31:35,701 --> 01:31:37,802 Say something! 1739 01:31:42,833 --> 01:31:46,519 You lousy bunch of bleeding hearts. 1740 01:31:47,087 --> 01:31:49,088 You're not gonna intimidate me. 1741 01:31:49,089 --> 01:31:51,691 I'm entitled to my opinion. 1742 01:31:54,970 --> 01:31:59,365 Rotten kids. You work your life out! 1743 01:32:04,104 --> 01:32:06,163 I can't keep... 1744 01:32:10,736 --> 01:32:12,503 No. 1745 01:32:16,283 --> 01:32:18,217 Not guilty. 1746 01:32:21,496 --> 01:32:23,264 Not guilty. 1747 01:32:26,168 --> 01:32:27,877 Not... 1748 01:32:38,347 --> 01:32:40,614 Um, we're ready now. 1749 01:34:34,171 --> 01:34:35,938 Hey! 1750 01:34:40,177 --> 01:34:41,927 What's your name? 1751 01:34:41,928 --> 01:34:43,512 Davis. 1752 01:34:43,513 --> 01:34:45,531 My name's McCardle. 1753 01:34:47,768 --> 01:34:49,518 Well, so long. 1754 01:34:49,519 --> 01:34:51,120 So long.