1 00:00:24,576 --> 00:00:26,201 Should be prosecuted. 2 00:00:26,202 --> 00:00:27,740 And then he doubled down on that 3 00:00:27,741 --> 00:00:29,491 just before the election took place. 4 00:00:29,492 --> 00:00:31,492 And then talked about it again last week. 5 00:00:31,493 --> 00:00:33,698 Really extraordinary the circumstances. 6 00:00:33,699 --> 00:00:36,407 Remember Hillary Clinton, Secretary Clinton, 7 00:00:36,408 --> 00:00:39,698 just recently came out and said the Jim Comey letters 8 00:00:39,699 --> 00:00:41,990 and what he said was one of the reasons 9 00:00:41,991 --> 00:00:43,281 she lost the election. 10 00:00:43,282 --> 00:00:45,156 Now we're saying that he's been fired 11 00:00:45,157 --> 00:00:46,990 for basically those decisions. 12 00:00:46,991 --> 00:00:48,697 I want to read a letter 13 00:00:48,698 --> 00:00:52,655 from President Trump, uh, released just moments ago. 14 00:00:52,656 --> 00:00:54,614 "Dear Director Comey, I have received 15 00:00:54,615 --> 00:00:56,531 "the attached letters from the Attorney General 16 00:00:56,532 --> 00:00:58,446 "and the Deputy Attorney General of the United States 17 00:00:58,447 --> 00:01:00,696 "recommending your dismissal as the Director 18 00:01:00,697 --> 00:01:02,695 "of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. 19 00:01:02,696 --> 00:01:04,655 "I have accepted their recommendation 20 00:01:04,656 --> 00:01:07,239 "and you are hereby terminated and removed 21 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,487 "from office, effective immediately. 22 00:01:09,488 --> 00:01:12,196 "While I greatly appreciate you informing me, 23 00:01:12,197 --> 00:01:13,986 "on three separate occasions, 24 00:01:13,987 --> 00:01:16,362 "that I am not under investigation, 25 00:01:16,363 --> 00:01:18,861 "I nevertheless concur with the judgment 26 00:01:18,862 --> 00:01:20,278 "of the Department of Justice 27 00:01:20,279 --> 00:01:23,194 "that you are not able to effectively lead the Bureau. 28 00:01:23,195 --> 00:01:25,361 "It is essential that we find new leadership 29 00:01:25,362 --> 00:01:27,029 for the FBI that restores..." 30 00:03:07,270 --> 00:03:09,558 This is my partner Wa... Partner, Wally Taylor. 31 00:03:09,559 --> 00:03:10,810 Hey. How are you? 32 00:03:19,433 --> 00:03:21,058 Hi. 33 00:03:21,059 --> 00:03:22,807 Reality Winner: Hey. 34 00:03:22,808 --> 00:03:24,057 Wally Taylor: How are you? 35 00:03:24,058 --> 00:03:25,433 Uh... 36 00:03:26,725 --> 00:03:28,014 Good. H-how are you doing? 37 00:03:28,015 --> 00:03:29,098 Good. 38 00:03:29,099 --> 00:03:30,474 How's your day today? 39 00:03:31,308 --> 00:03:34,557 Uh, it's pretty good. Just got some groceries. 40 00:03:36,474 --> 00:03:37,639 Alright. 41 00:03:43,056 --> 00:03:44,390 Let's show you who we are. 42 00:04:04,429 --> 00:04:06,428 Okay. Well, the reason we're here today 43 00:04:06,429 --> 00:04:09,095 is that we have a search warrant for your house. 44 00:04:10,929 --> 00:04:12,718 - Okay. - Justin Garrick: Alright. 45 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:15,095 Uh, do you know what this might be about? 46 00:04:16,387 --> 00:04:19,052 I have no idea. 47 00:04:19,386 --> 00:04:20,468 Okay. 48 00:04:20,469 --> 00:04:22,926 This is about, uh, possible mishandling 49 00:04:22,927 --> 00:04:24,802 of classified information. 50 00:04:25,803 --> 00:04:26,927 Oh, my goodness. Okay. 51 00:04:26,928 --> 00:04:28,051 Mm-hmm. 52 00:04:28,718 --> 00:04:32,633 So what we've got is, uh, again, g-got a warrant. 53 00:04:32,634 --> 00:04:34,092 And, uh, 54 00:04:34,093 --> 00:04:35,635 I'm happy to show it to you. 55 00:04:36,009 --> 00:04:37,674 What I'd like to do is sit down, 56 00:04:37,675 --> 00:04:40,218 talk you with, uh, talk with you about it. 57 00:04:41,510 --> 00:04:44,091 Kind of go over what, what's going on. 58 00:04:44,092 --> 00:04:46,675 Uh, kind of get your, your side of it. 59 00:04:46,676 --> 00:04:48,840 And, of course, you're completely voluntary 60 00:04:48,841 --> 00:04:49,924 to talk to me. 61 00:04:49,925 --> 00:04:52,007 Uh, we can talk here 62 00:04:52,008 --> 00:04:55,215 or, uh, our office is about five minutes away, 63 00:04:55,216 --> 00:04:57,174 uh, if you want to, if you'd rather talk there. 64 00:04:57,175 --> 00:04:59,005 Then we can do either one. 65 00:04:59,006 --> 00:05:00,549 It makes no difference to me. 66 00:05:02,673 --> 00:05:04,506 Okay. Do you have any pets? 67 00:05:05,841 --> 00:05:08,088 - I do. I have two pets. - 'Cause you-you've been gone a while. 68 00:05:08,089 --> 00:05:10,255 So do, do we maybe need to let 'em out, 69 00:05:10,256 --> 00:05:12,131 use the bathroom, stuff like that? 70 00:05:12,132 --> 00:05:14,046 I, uh, I-I do. 71 00:05:14,047 --> 00:05:16,130 Um, would you mind 72 00:05:16,131 --> 00:05:18,087 if I at least get some perishables into the fridge? 73 00:05:18,088 --> 00:05:19,212 And we can do that, too. 74 00:05:19,213 --> 00:05:20,839 But what we're gonna have to do is, uh... 75 00:05:23,170 --> 00:05:24,587 Do you live by yourself? 76 00:05:25,963 --> 00:05:27,171 Yes. 77 00:05:27,172 --> 00:05:28,419 Okay. What we're gonna have to do is 78 00:05:28,420 --> 00:05:30,294 we're gonna have to go into the house first, 79 00:05:30,295 --> 00:05:32,420 make sure it's, it's safe. 80 00:05:33,586 --> 00:05:35,795 We have a search warrant, so we-we're, uh, 81 00:05:35,796 --> 00:05:37,461 we're going to. 82 00:05:39,169 --> 00:05:40,168 Absolutely. Okay. 83 00:05:40,169 --> 00:05:41,585 And what we'll do is 84 00:05:41,586 --> 00:05:43,167 we'll keep you out here until we do that 85 00:05:43,168 --> 00:05:45,252 and once we secure it, we'll, uh... 86 00:05:45,253 --> 00:05:46,836 then we can kind of go from there, okay? 87 00:05:46,837 --> 00:05:48,210 Of course. 88 00:05:53,668 --> 00:05:55,252 So is your dog friendly? 89 00:05:57,418 --> 00:05:59,709 Okay, well, uh, so... 90 00:06:00,668 --> 00:06:03,624 she doesn't... like men. 91 00:06:03,625 --> 00:06:05,333 - Okay. - So... 92 00:06:05,334 --> 00:06:07,416 - So that's a problem. - Yeah. 93 00:06:07,417 --> 00:06:10,165 - Um, she may come towards you, but... - Okay. 94 00:06:10,166 --> 00:06:12,457 She's never bitten anybody. She's not aggressive. 95 00:06:12,458 --> 00:06:14,498 She's just got, you know, a really good growl going. 96 00:06:14,499 --> 00:06:16,707 - Okay. - She'll probably hide under my desk. 97 00:06:16,708 --> 00:06:18,665 Do you have a, a leash or... 98 00:06:18,666 --> 00:06:19,790 - I have a leash. - Okay. 99 00:06:19,791 --> 00:06:21,375 I can, I can get her leashed up. 100 00:06:22,498 --> 00:06:24,997 So what we might want to do is maybe let you go in there with her. 101 00:06:24,998 --> 00:06:26,206 You're not to touch anything else. 102 00:06:26,207 --> 00:06:28,247 You're not to do anything else but get the dog 103 00:06:28,248 --> 00:06:29,455 and bring it out here. 104 00:06:29,456 --> 00:06:31,539 - We cool? We... - Of course. I understand. 105 00:06:31,540 --> 00:06:33,788 Because otherwise, if, if we have a problem, 106 00:06:33,789 --> 00:06:34,955 we're not gonna do that. 107 00:06:34,956 --> 00:06:36,664 I can move her straight to the backyard. 108 00:06:36,665 --> 00:06:37,912 Okay. Okay. 109 00:06:37,913 --> 00:06:39,372 Uh, house key? 110 00:06:42,830 --> 00:06:43,871 House key. 111 00:06:44,496 --> 00:06:46,162 We also have a warrant to search the car too. 112 00:06:46,163 --> 00:06:47,495 Do you have a cell phone? 113 00:06:55,705 --> 00:06:59,328 We'll take that, and we'll, uh, kind of go from there, okay? 114 00:06:59,787 --> 00:07:02,078 Uh, but like he said, we're completely voluntary, 115 00:07:02,079 --> 00:07:03,451 completely up to you on... 116 00:07:03,452 --> 00:07:05,661 But, you know, I think maybe it'd be worth your time... 117 00:07:05,662 --> 00:07:07,450 - No, definitely. - ... to listen, at least for a little bit. 118 00:07:07,451 --> 00:07:08,951 - Um, definitely here... - Okay? 119 00:07:08,952 --> 00:07:10,035 And we can kind of figure out 120 00:07:10,036 --> 00:07:11,160 what's, what's going on. 121 00:07:11,161 --> 00:07:13,534 - To, uh, comply. - Okay. 122 00:07:13,535 --> 00:07:16,159 Her leash is two feet inside the door 123 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,284 where I left it this morning. 124 00:07:17,285 --> 00:07:19,200 I can move her straight to the backyard. 125 00:07:19,201 --> 00:07:21,244 Are there any weapons in the car? In the house? 126 00:07:23,242 --> 00:07:25,826 - In the house, yes. - What do you have? 127 00:07:28,741 --> 00:07:30,534 I have an AR-15. 128 00:07:33,616 --> 00:07:34,700 Is it pink? 129 00:07:36,951 --> 00:07:38,948 - It's pink. - Okay. 130 00:07:38,949 --> 00:07:40,825 How'd you know? 131 00:07:43,532 --> 00:07:46,991 Uh, I have a Glock Nine under the bed 132 00:07:46,992 --> 00:07:51,281 and a, uh, a 15-gauge. Okay. 133 00:07:51,282 --> 00:07:53,113 You sound like my house. 134 00:07:53,114 --> 00:07:55,156 Okay, we're good, then. 135 00:07:55,657 --> 00:07:57,031 Alright. Just don't make any, 136 00:07:57,032 --> 00:07:59,364 any movements for those and then we're... 137 00:08:00,197 --> 00:08:02,197 Yeah. Yeah. 138 00:08:02,198 --> 00:08:03,571 I mean, we're all cool. 139 00:08:04,281 --> 00:08:05,780 Yeah. Yeah. 140 00:08:06,990 --> 00:08:08,737 I mean, kind of obvious. 141 00:08:09,071 --> 00:08:10,612 Yeah. You can put, put... 142 00:08:10,613 --> 00:08:13,320 There's a little fenced-in area where you can put her? 143 00:08:14,238 --> 00:08:16,028 Uh, yes, yes. 144 00:08:16,029 --> 00:08:17,485 And you won't even take your eyes off me. 145 00:08:17,486 --> 00:08:19,319 And we'll get water and stuff like that. 146 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,987 And this other guy, uh, is with us as well. 147 00:08:21,988 --> 00:08:23,318 And we'll probably have a few more people 148 00:08:23,319 --> 00:08:24,820 showing up here directly. 149 00:08:33,819 --> 00:08:35,776 Is that the only pet? 150 00:08:35,777 --> 00:08:36,819 There is a cat. 151 00:08:36,820 --> 00:08:38,817 She will go straight under the bed. 152 00:08:38,818 --> 00:08:40,443 Okay. 153 00:08:41,610 --> 00:08:43,359 Jen doesn't like men. 154 00:08:43,734 --> 00:08:45,150 Starting to see a trend here. 155 00:08:45,151 --> 00:08:47,359 Yeah. Y'all can come on out. We found her. 156 00:08:47,942 --> 00:08:48,983 What's her name? 157 00:08:48,984 --> 00:08:50,900 Uh, Mickey. 158 00:08:50,901 --> 00:08:52,067 Hey, Mickey. 159 00:08:52,068 --> 00:08:53,149 Hey there. 160 00:08:57,482 --> 00:08:59,525 She doesn't know what's going on, though. 161 00:09:07,315 --> 00:09:08,815 There you go. 162 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,231 You don't have any weapons or anything on you, do you? 163 00:09:20,773 --> 00:09:22,646 - No. - None in the car? 164 00:09:22,647 --> 00:09:24,521 Um, in the car? No. 165 00:09:24,522 --> 00:09:26,565 Hey. 166 00:09:27,855 --> 00:09:29,479 Hang on. Hang on, hang on just... 167 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,355 Can I close the door for my cat? 168 00:09:33,646 --> 00:09:34,688 Alright. 169 00:09:39,479 --> 00:09:41,563 'Cause that-that's all I care about right now. 170 00:09:45,437 --> 00:09:48,977 Okay, uh, so the only thing in there now that's alive 171 00:09:48,978 --> 00:09:50,103 is the cat? 172 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,060 Yes. There's not a person? 173 00:09:54,061 --> 00:09:55,353 No person. 174 00:09:56,687 --> 00:09:57,767 They're on their way? 175 00:09:57,768 --> 00:09:59,060 Yeah, they're pulling up. 176 00:10:20,934 --> 00:10:22,432 Why don't we, uh... 177 00:10:23,141 --> 00:10:25,474 Do you want to wait out here with her for a minute? 178 00:10:25,475 --> 00:10:26,725 And Joe and I will walk through. 179 00:10:28,141 --> 00:10:29,807 Again, just to explain, we have a search warrant. 180 00:10:29,808 --> 00:10:31,182 It's... 181 00:10:31,183 --> 00:10:33,181 I-I understand. It's en route. So... 182 00:11:16,762 --> 00:11:18,301 It's alright. 183 00:11:18,302 --> 00:11:20,051 They're just making sure, uh, just checking to make sure 184 00:11:20,052 --> 00:11:21,802 there's nobody else in there 185 00:11:21,803 --> 00:11:23,843 or nothing... surprise! 186 00:11:23,844 --> 00:11:25,759 Surprise us or anything like that. 187 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,550 - Yup. - So... 188 00:11:27,551 --> 00:11:28,967 I'm gonna make this 189 00:11:28,968 --> 00:11:31,135 as easy as possible for you guys. 190 00:11:31,136 --> 00:11:33,174 Okay. Likewise. 191 00:11:33,175 --> 00:11:35,092 So hopefully explain things, 192 00:11:35,093 --> 00:11:37,757 get to, uh, figure this all out 193 00:11:37,758 --> 00:11:39,634 and, uh, wrap it up. 194 00:11:45,925 --> 00:11:47,464 How, uh, 195 00:11:47,465 --> 00:11:48,632 how, how old is she? 196 00:11:51,134 --> 00:11:53,131 We don't know. She's one of those. 197 00:11:53,132 --> 00:11:55,006 Oh yeah. Yeah. My, uh, 198 00:11:55,007 --> 00:11:56,633 one of my dogs is a rescue. 199 00:11:57,174 --> 00:11:59,923 And when I got him, he wouldn't, uh... 200 00:12:00,549 --> 00:12:02,713 I was the only guy who could touch him. 201 00:12:02,714 --> 00:12:03,714 Huh? 202 00:12:03,715 --> 00:12:05,297 Anybody else came in the house, 203 00:12:05,298 --> 00:12:09,213 especially male, he'd pee all over the place. 204 00:12:09,214 --> 00:12:10,798 But I could touch him, and it was fine. 205 00:12:13,588 --> 00:12:17,005 So whoever had him before was a real, uh, 206 00:12:17,006 --> 00:12:19,171 phew, real piece of work. 207 00:12:19,630 --> 00:12:23,337 Yeah. She was left in a kennel and neglected her whole life. 208 00:12:26,088 --> 00:12:27,794 Why don't we, uh... 209 00:12:27,795 --> 00:12:30,128 Let's get the groceries, throw 'em in the fridge real quick, 210 00:12:30,129 --> 00:12:31,838 then we'll bring you back out here, okay? 211 00:13:18,873 --> 00:13:20,206 Is that... 212 00:13:20,207 --> 00:13:22,332 Uh, no, that's it for the perishables. 213 00:13:24,707 --> 00:13:25,748 Should be. 214 00:13:32,372 --> 00:13:34,747 The neighbors. 215 00:13:44,454 --> 00:13:46,954 Alright. If you could just, uh, step over. 216 00:13:46,955 --> 00:13:47,996 Just here. 217 00:13:48,495 --> 00:13:50,413 Yeah. Just stop right there. 218 00:13:54,537 --> 00:13:55,536 Look up here. 219 00:14:03,744 --> 00:14:04,786 Just... 220 00:14:18,118 --> 00:14:20,492 There's a cat in the house, in the bed, 221 00:14:20,493 --> 00:14:22,118 - or it's on the bed. - On the bed? 222 00:14:22,119 --> 00:14:24,283 - Or was on the bed. - It's... 223 00:14:24,284 --> 00:14:26,617 It-it'll probably go under the bed at some point. 224 00:14:26,618 --> 00:14:29,492 The dog is in the backyard in the fence. 225 00:14:31,784 --> 00:14:32,824 Does... 226 00:14:35,741 --> 00:14:37,364 does she need water? 227 00:14:37,365 --> 00:14:38,531 She'll be fine. 228 00:14:38,532 --> 00:14:40,741 She's been inside all day with her water. 229 00:14:41,908 --> 00:14:43,031 Okay. 230 00:14:43,948 --> 00:14:46,157 Alrighty. 231 00:14:47,865 --> 00:14:48,823 Alright. 232 00:14:48,824 --> 00:14:50,614 So would you like to talk here 233 00:14:50,615 --> 00:14:52,529 or talk, uh, 234 00:14:52,530 --> 00:14:53,614 talk at the office? 235 00:14:54,030 --> 00:14:56,197 Uh, we can go ahead and talk here. 236 00:14:56,198 --> 00:14:57,863 Do you want to talk here? 237 00:14:57,864 --> 00:14:59,737 - Sure. - Okay. 238 00:14:59,738 --> 00:15:01,489 Uh, let's, uh... 239 00:15:02,904 --> 00:15:04,863 I'm trying to think if we have any 240 00:15:04,864 --> 00:15:07,361 private place, uh, there in the house that... 241 00:15:07,362 --> 00:15:08,778 D-do you have anything there in the house 242 00:15:08,779 --> 00:15:11,071 that we can kind of sit that's away... 243 00:15:13,445 --> 00:15:14,737 Away? 244 00:15:21,529 --> 00:15:23,943 There's one bedroom that's empty. 245 00:15:23,944 --> 00:15:26,236 I don't... 246 00:15:26,237 --> 00:15:29,486 I-I don't, I don't really like to go in there... 247 00:15:31,069 --> 00:15:32,609 other than... 248 00:15:33,485 --> 00:15:36,943 I guess I don't really have anything else other than that, 249 00:15:36,944 --> 00:15:38,608 that back room. 250 00:15:38,609 --> 00:15:39,693 That back room? 251 00:15:42,277 --> 00:15:45,233 Okay. And it's, uh, it's completely empty? 252 00:15:45,234 --> 00:15:46,484 Yeah. You'll go in there. 253 00:15:46,485 --> 00:15:47,691 There's, uh, 254 00:15:47,692 --> 00:15:49,567 there's one dog kennel cage. 255 00:15:50,192 --> 00:15:51,942 Other than that, I don't use it. 256 00:15:51,943 --> 00:15:54,023 Okay. Alright. Um, 257 00:15:54,024 --> 00:15:57,149 y-y-you said you don't like to go in there. But, uh... 258 00:15:57,150 --> 00:15:59,773 Oh, gosh. No, it's just... weird. 259 00:15:59,774 --> 00:16:00,982 It's just creepy. 260 00:16:00,983 --> 00:16:02,233 It's like an addition to the, 261 00:16:02,731 --> 00:16:04,189 the back of the house behind the kitchen, 262 00:16:04,190 --> 00:16:06,482 and it's always dirty. 263 00:16:06,483 --> 00:16:07,564 Okay. Alright. 264 00:16:07,565 --> 00:16:08,981 We, we can talk back there 265 00:16:08,982 --> 00:16:10,524 if, if you're fine going back there. 266 00:16:11,482 --> 00:16:13,813 - It's, uh... - Yeah, we can go back there. 267 00:16:13,814 --> 00:16:17,604 Okay. Alright. There's a, uh, there's a back room there 268 00:16:17,605 --> 00:16:19,105 that we can... Kind of like the laundry? 269 00:16:19,106 --> 00:16:20,105 That she'd like to talk in. 270 00:16:20,106 --> 00:16:21,772 Yeah, that'll work. 271 00:16:21,773 --> 00:16:23,187 It's too hot out here for... 272 00:16:23,188 --> 00:16:24,354 Oh, well, I can make a pitstop 273 00:16:24,355 --> 00:16:27,147 and take out the AC if you need that. 274 00:16:27,938 --> 00:16:29,937 Well, there's, they've gotta do their thing 275 00:16:29,938 --> 00:16:31,062 for a minute, and then we can go in. 276 00:16:31,063 --> 00:16:32,022 We can go in. 277 00:16:32,023 --> 00:16:33,437 Oh, get the password. 278 00:16:33,438 --> 00:16:35,228 Oh, what's the, uh, how do you open this? 279 00:16:35,229 --> 00:16:36,646 - Uh... - Just hang on. 280 00:16:38,103 --> 00:16:40,187 What kind is it? An iPhone? 281 00:17:07,851 --> 00:17:09,184 How long you lived in Augusta? 282 00:17:10,976 --> 00:17:13,682 Uh... I was out here 283 00:17:13,683 --> 00:17:17,808 October 2015 to April 2016, 284 00:17:18,099 --> 00:17:21,600 um, TDY, and then moved back this past December. 285 00:17:21,809 --> 00:17:23,641 What do... What do you think of it? 286 00:17:24,433 --> 00:17:26,932 Well, I willingly moved back here as a civilian, 287 00:17:26,933 --> 00:17:28,139 so I guess it must be alright. 288 00:17:28,140 --> 00:17:29,265 Willingly. 289 00:17:29,266 --> 00:17:30,824 You say that, you say that begrudgingly. 290 00:17:31,266 --> 00:17:33,931 Yeah. I, I mean, originally, I... 291 00:17:34,265 --> 00:17:37,097 My big plan is to deploy as a Pashto linguist 292 00:17:37,098 --> 00:17:38,388 and be in Bagram for a bit. 293 00:17:38,389 --> 00:17:41,097 But then they hired me out here for Farsi, so... 294 00:17:41,098 --> 00:17:42,971 Wait, you're-you're Farsi and Pashto? 295 00:17:42,972 --> 00:17:45,055 Farsi, Dari, Pashto. 296 00:17:45,056 --> 00:17:46,722 Wow! That's... 297 00:17:46,723 --> 00:17:48,596 that's impressive. 298 00:17:49,222 --> 00:17:52,015 I can barely, I-I'm barely able to speak English. 299 00:17:53,637 --> 00:17:54,638 English is hard. 300 00:17:55,805 --> 00:17:57,014 Hmm. 301 00:17:58,304 --> 00:18:00,430 Uh, but yeah, I noticed that with... 302 00:18:04,137 --> 00:18:05,803 Especially here at Augusta, 303 00:18:05,804 --> 00:18:07,261 it's, uh, it's great for families. 304 00:18:07,262 --> 00:18:10,386 But, uh, single, it's, it's kind of tough. 305 00:18:10,387 --> 00:18:14,135 Like, I can't imagine coming back. 306 00:18:14,136 --> 00:18:15,761 What's the, um... 307 00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:18,592 Do you, uh, do you have a password or anything? 308 00:18:18,593 --> 00:18:21,010 - No password. - How do we, how do we do it? 309 00:18:21,011 --> 00:18:22,508 Show me how to do it or tell me how to do it. 310 00:18:22,509 --> 00:18:23,633 Swipe that? 311 00:18:23,634 --> 00:18:25,175 Uh, yeah. 312 00:18:25,176 --> 00:18:26,468 No security? 313 00:18:26,969 --> 00:18:28,217 No security. 314 00:18:29,551 --> 00:18:31,384 You don't have a password or anything that... 315 00:18:31,385 --> 00:18:33,674 No password. Nothing. Just anytime it locks, 316 00:18:33,675 --> 00:18:36,508 - you just press the side there... - Okay. 317 00:18:36,509 --> 00:18:39,050 Until you see the circle and just slide up a bit. 318 00:18:40,009 --> 00:18:41,301 Okay, so it... 319 00:18:44,258 --> 00:18:45,717 Did you already show her the warrant? 320 00:18:47,216 --> 00:18:48,549 Uh, no, I haven't. 321 00:18:51,049 --> 00:18:54,048 I was going to. We're going to, we're going to sit down and show it to her. 322 00:19:08,130 --> 00:19:10,131 What made you get out of the Air Force? 323 00:19:13,629 --> 00:19:16,131 I, I wanted to deploy. 324 00:19:17,046 --> 00:19:19,461 I mean, I learned Pashto for a reason 325 00:19:19,462 --> 00:19:21,796 and those opportunities aren't in the Air Force right now. 326 00:19:21,797 --> 00:19:23,044 Mm. 327 00:19:23,045 --> 00:19:24,336 You figure that with that language, 328 00:19:24,337 --> 00:19:26,212 you could just raise your hand and they'd go, 329 00:19:26,213 --> 00:19:27,961 - Right here! - "Yeah, go." 330 00:19:28,461 --> 00:19:30,336 Yeah. No. Where I was in Maryland, 331 00:19:30,337 --> 00:19:32,376 they only had one billet per year for Afghanistan, 332 00:19:32,377 --> 00:19:34,502 and it was all always airborne. 333 00:19:34,503 --> 00:19:35,920 Not even language. 334 00:19:36,254 --> 00:19:38,168 So I imagine people are just crawling for it. 335 00:19:38,711 --> 00:19:41,503 Yeah. And I don't have my airborne physical. So... 336 00:19:43,502 --> 00:19:44,918 Is your dog okay? 337 00:19:44,919 --> 00:19:46,794 - Does it need anything? - She's fine. 338 00:19:47,252 --> 00:19:49,250 - She? - Yeah, she's... 339 00:19:49,251 --> 00:19:51,419 If you can tell we're all dog people. 340 00:19:53,876 --> 00:19:55,459 Yeah, I can, I can tell. 341 00:20:01,293 --> 00:20:02,498 Is she destructive at all 342 00:20:02,499 --> 00:20:04,416 when she, when you leave her alone? 343 00:20:04,417 --> 00:20:07,000 Yeah, she's just a nervous chewer. 344 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:10,999 Whoa! 345 00:20:28,247 --> 00:20:29,581 Where do you CrossFit at? 346 00:20:32,164 --> 00:20:35,664 Uh, I'm at SEC. 347 00:20:36,290 --> 00:20:39,912 It used to be on, uh, Enterprise Court... 348 00:20:39,913 --> 00:20:41,163 - Mm-hmm. - off of Bobby Jones, 349 00:20:41,164 --> 00:20:43,121 and then we moved to Wheeler. 350 00:20:45,413 --> 00:20:48,286 Uh, but my-my friend's reopening the Under Box. 351 00:20:48,287 --> 00:20:51,036 You, you going to go off? 352 00:20:51,037 --> 00:20:52,743 Yeah. I'm just, I'm just waiting for her gym 353 00:20:52,744 --> 00:20:54,412 to open to, to jump ship. 354 00:20:56,537 --> 00:20:58,076 I did it for, like, six months, 355 00:20:58,077 --> 00:20:59,368 and I hurt myself. 356 00:20:59,369 --> 00:21:02,243 - Oh. - Just every single day was just pain. 357 00:21:02,244 --> 00:21:03,951 - Yeah. - So, I don't know. 358 00:21:03,952 --> 00:21:06,078 I guess I'm just too old and broken. 359 00:21:10,411 --> 00:21:12,950 Yeah, I always say that I, I don't do CrossFit, 360 00:21:12,951 --> 00:21:14,325 I do competitive powerlifting. Okay. 361 00:21:14,326 --> 00:21:16,243 And then I do CrossFit when it's convenient. 362 00:21:16,244 --> 00:21:17,576 No. Uh-huh. 363 00:21:18,242 --> 00:21:20,700 What's your, uh... 364 00:21:20,701 --> 00:21:22,117 Powerlifting? 365 00:21:23,867 --> 00:21:25,908 What's your, y-your preference on? 366 00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:27,781 What's your favorite stuff? 367 00:21:27,782 --> 00:21:31,200 Oh, I'm just all upper body. 368 00:21:31,743 --> 00:21:33,240 So, bench. 369 00:21:33,241 --> 00:21:35,198 It's kind of sad. I tested my lifts this week 370 00:21:35,199 --> 00:21:37,073 because I have a competition on June 24th, 371 00:21:37,074 --> 00:21:41,073 and my max bench is 180, and then my max back squat... 372 00:21:41,074 --> 00:21:42,905 I have a, I have a back injury, 373 00:21:42,906 --> 00:21:45,156 so my max back squat is 195. 374 00:21:45,157 --> 00:21:47,030 - But I don't... - Still! 375 00:21:47,031 --> 00:21:48,447 Still not shabby. 376 00:21:48,448 --> 00:21:50,613 No, it should not be that close. 377 00:21:50,614 --> 00:21:52,280 How'd you hurt your back? 378 00:21:54,573 --> 00:21:56,363 Uh, doing power cleans. 379 00:21:56,364 --> 00:21:59,112 My, uh, pelvis wasn't rotating, 380 00:21:59,113 --> 00:22:01,697 so I separated that joint. 381 00:22:01,698 --> 00:22:03,321 Sounds painful. Yeah. 382 00:22:04,030 --> 00:22:05,863 I did, um, I was doing box jumps 383 00:22:05,864 --> 00:22:07,237 and this hand just... 384 00:22:07,238 --> 00:22:10,112 I was doing it by myself. It hit the box. 385 00:22:10,113 --> 00:22:13,777 And, I-I mean, I thought I just fractured every bone 386 00:22:13,778 --> 00:22:16,945 in the body, in the, in the hand. 387 00:22:17,528 --> 00:22:20,153 And I went to, I had to go to the doctor to get the x-ray. 388 00:22:20,154 --> 00:22:22,860 They said, "So how did you do this?" CrossFit. 389 00:22:22,861 --> 00:22:24,694 Four times they asked me. 390 00:22:24,695 --> 00:22:27,318 I said, "No, I didn't get in a fight. It was CrossFit." 391 00:22:30,111 --> 00:22:31,444 I, I, um, I thought I could see 392 00:22:31,445 --> 00:22:33,567 the bone on my shin from that one. 393 00:22:33,568 --> 00:22:35,109 Wow. What was that? 394 00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:37,567 Box jumps. Just missed the box. 395 00:22:37,568 --> 00:22:39,900 That's a moment you really hope, did anybody see that? 396 00:22:39,901 --> 00:22:42,109 I really hope nobody saw that. 397 00:22:59,065 --> 00:23:01,608 So I do have to ask just 398 00:23:02,690 --> 00:23:05,440 however this goes, and I don't want to make any assumptions, 399 00:23:05,441 --> 00:23:08,856 but this is going to be a thing where, like, 400 00:23:08,857 --> 00:23:10,315 I brought my phone into the building 401 00:23:10,316 --> 00:23:12,606 and I don't see that phone for three weeks or... 402 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,564 - So, we'll go over the... - So, we have a warrant for the phone. 403 00:23:15,565 --> 00:23:16,856 Yeah, no, and I don't, I don't want to make 404 00:23:16,857 --> 00:23:18,396 any assumptions or anything like that. 405 00:23:18,397 --> 00:23:19,522 Just, uh... 406 00:23:20,189 --> 00:23:23,229 I'm, I'm teaching yoga tomorrow, 407 00:23:23,230 --> 00:23:25,272 and my phone has the music on it. 408 00:23:33,895 --> 00:23:35,271 Okay. 409 00:23:36,688 --> 00:23:39,811 I mean, there are... bigger problems in the world. 410 00:23:39,812 --> 00:23:41,687 So I, I can make do, I guess. 411 00:23:41,688 --> 00:23:45,770 Yeah. And, uh, we'll, we'll talk about that once we sit down. 412 00:23:46,270 --> 00:23:49,018 Is there, uh, do you have just a few chairs? 413 00:23:49,019 --> 00:23:51,561 Like, kitchen table chairs we can pull into that, 414 00:23:51,562 --> 00:23:54,184 that back room or are we gonna be sitting on the floor? 415 00:23:54,185 --> 00:23:56,102 No. Uh... 416 00:23:56,686 --> 00:24:01,227 yeah, if you want to sit. I'm not too big on furniture. 417 00:24:54,888 --> 00:24:56,721 Would it be too much to ask if I can get 418 00:24:56,722 --> 00:24:58,553 the cat on a leash and tied up? 419 00:24:58,554 --> 00:25:00,345 Just, um... 420 00:25:01,804 --> 00:25:04,677 I just don't want to be, like, asking someone in the FBI 421 00:25:04,678 --> 00:25:07,926 to keep the front door closed if you guys are doing a search. 422 00:25:07,927 --> 00:25:10,011 I don't see, I don't see an issue. 423 00:25:10,012 --> 00:25:13,259 Uh, uh, where is the cat right now? 424 00:25:13,260 --> 00:25:14,759 - In the bedroom. - Uh, on the bed. 425 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:15,886 In the bed. 426 00:25:15,887 --> 00:25:18,759 - Okay. - Still in the bed? 427 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:19,759 Yeah, I think so. 428 00:25:27,592 --> 00:25:30,050 Where... um, just safety's sake, 429 00:25:30,051 --> 00:25:32,382 where are the, uh... there's your weapon and the... 430 00:25:32,383 --> 00:25:34,383 The weapon, it's right by the little table 431 00:25:34,384 --> 00:25:36,342 with the lamp right under the bed. 432 00:25:36,843 --> 00:25:38,174 Your cat's under there. 433 00:25:38,175 --> 00:25:40,800 He's under the bed, or she's under the bed. 434 00:25:41,468 --> 00:25:43,214 The AR is in the case in here? 435 00:25:43,215 --> 00:25:44,008 Yes. 436 00:25:44,009 --> 00:25:45,340 Where's the other gun? 437 00:25:45,341 --> 00:25:46,965 It's behind it, more against the wall 438 00:25:46,966 --> 00:25:48,047 in the black case. 439 00:25:48,048 --> 00:25:49,631 Can you get your cat? 440 00:25:49,632 --> 00:25:51,382 Do you want to get your cat? Can you... 441 00:25:51,383 --> 00:25:52,714 Do you want to get your cat? 442 00:25:52,715 --> 00:25:53,839 Do you want to get your cat? 443 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,132 Just... Get your cat. 444 00:26:23,628 --> 00:26:25,545 Alright. She's good. 445 00:26:25,546 --> 00:26:27,919 (sighs) Okay. Alright. 446 00:26:28,420 --> 00:26:30,335 Uh, you wanna go back here? 447 00:26:30,336 --> 00:26:32,669 Yeah, you can go ahead and go back in there. 448 00:27:13,415 --> 00:27:16,082 This room is dirty. I'm so sorry. 449 00:27:29,748 --> 00:27:31,081 Alrighty. 450 00:27:33,038 --> 00:27:35,913 So, uh, again, my name is Justin. 451 00:27:36,456 --> 00:27:38,370 You probably don't re-remember any idea of who I am. 452 00:27:38,371 --> 00:27:41,414 So, Justin Garrick with the FBI. 453 00:27:41,871 --> 00:27:44,246 Uh, this is Wally. He's my partner. 454 00:27:44,871 --> 00:27:46,579 Um, so what I want to do is kind of explain 455 00:27:46,580 --> 00:27:48,703 that, you know, we do have a search warrant. 456 00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:50,745 Uh, you're welcome to see the warrant. 457 00:27:50,746 --> 00:27:52,161 You're welcome to read the warrant. 458 00:27:52,162 --> 00:27:53,827 And then explain a little bit about it. 459 00:27:53,828 --> 00:27:56,787 Now, if you're willing to talk to me, 460 00:27:57,285 --> 00:28:00,118 I'd like to kind of go through just how this started 461 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,534 and, you know, give your, your side of it. 462 00:28:02,535 --> 00:28:04,409 We'll figure out what's going on here. 463 00:28:04,410 --> 00:28:07,409 Does that sound, uh, sound good to you? 464 00:28:09,660 --> 00:28:10,952 Okay. 465 00:28:12,451 --> 00:28:13,534 Okay? 466 00:28:15,785 --> 00:28:17,076 Yes. 467 00:28:18,618 --> 00:28:20,284 Now I'm gonna take, uh... 468 00:28:21,867 --> 00:28:22,867 Right here. 469 00:28:23,241 --> 00:28:25,576 I'm gonna take, uh, notes, 470 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,906 uh, just random basis. 471 00:28:27,907 --> 00:28:28,949 You gotta take notes. 472 00:28:33,741 --> 00:28:34,990 Now, do you need water or anything? 473 00:28:34,991 --> 00:28:36,700 Ar-are you thirsty? 474 00:28:39,449 --> 00:28:41,408 You're what? If you need water, shout it out. 475 00:28:43,281 --> 00:28:46,490 Uh... okay. I'll let you know. Thanks. 476 00:28:47,530 --> 00:28:48,779 Are you thirsty? 477 00:28:48,780 --> 00:28:50,239 Uh, not right now. 478 00:28:50,448 --> 00:28:51,947 Okay. Alright. 479 00:28:54,197 --> 00:28:55,655 Um, if you need to use the restroom, 480 00:28:55,656 --> 00:28:56,697 any of that, let me know. 481 00:28:56,698 --> 00:28:58,863 It's not a big deal. Okay? 482 00:28:59,530 --> 00:29:01,862 Okay. So currently, you're employed 483 00:29:01,863 --> 00:29:04,570 as a contract, uh, linguist 484 00:29:04,571 --> 00:29:06,614 with Pluribus? 485 00:29:07,194 --> 00:29:08,194 Yes. 486 00:29:08,195 --> 00:29:10,445 I'm sorry, what languages you said? 487 00:29:10,446 --> 00:29:11,612 Um, I-I heard... 488 00:29:11,613 --> 00:29:13,570 Uh, Farsi, Dari, Pashto. 489 00:29:17,611 --> 00:29:18,860 Okay. 490 00:29:18,861 --> 00:29:20,320 Any other? 491 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,695 No. 492 00:29:26,777 --> 00:29:28,068 I think that's enough. 493 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,902 That's really impressive. 494 00:29:30,903 --> 00:29:33,568 Uh, and you live here, uh, sorry, by yourself? 495 00:29:35,027 --> 00:29:37,358 Yes. Okay. 496 00:29:39,026 --> 00:29:41,235 It's really hard without a table and chairs. 497 00:29:43,192 --> 00:29:45,401 - I-I'm so sorry. - It's... 498 00:29:46,026 --> 00:29:48,192 You don't have to apol... It's your house. 499 00:29:49,233 --> 00:29:51,108 Um, if you do feel like, you know, 500 00:29:51,109 --> 00:29:53,148 you want to sit or anything, we'll sit. 501 00:29:53,149 --> 00:29:54,899 Okay? I mean, if you sit on the floor, 502 00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:56,149 I'll sit on the floor, I don't care. 503 00:29:56,150 --> 00:29:57,565 Hmm? Mm-hmm. 504 00:29:58,857 --> 00:30:00,107 Okay. 505 00:30:01,233 --> 00:30:02,897 Um, and I'm serious about that. 506 00:30:02,898 --> 00:30:03,898 If you want to sit, please. 507 00:30:03,899 --> 00:30:05,441 I'll, I'll sit down too. 508 00:30:07,522 --> 00:30:08,897 Okay. 509 00:30:08,898 --> 00:30:10,606 Um, so, again. 510 00:30:10,607 --> 00:30:12,480 We have a warrant, 511 00:30:12,481 --> 00:30:13,897 and it's... do you... 512 00:30:13,898 --> 00:30:15,648 Would you like to see it? 513 00:30:16,732 --> 00:30:19,063 Yes, please. Okay. 514 00:30:21,439 --> 00:30:23,020 That just gave us the authority to search 515 00:30:23,021 --> 00:30:25,063 the residence, the car, and then you. 516 00:30:33,854 --> 00:30:36,688 125 pounds. You guys flatter me. 517 00:30:39,729 --> 00:30:41,561 Sorry, I have a sense of humor. 518 00:30:41,562 --> 00:30:44,311 That was on your driver's license. That's right. 519 00:30:46,020 --> 00:30:47,727 Okay, well, I lied. 520 00:30:48,852 --> 00:30:50,352 Don't we all? 521 00:30:52,351 --> 00:30:54,768 Attachment "B" just explains the property 522 00:30:54,769 --> 00:30:56,851 that we're authorized to search for and seize. 523 00:30:56,852 --> 00:30:58,559 Any questions about any of that? 524 00:31:00,643 --> 00:31:01,643 Um... 525 00:31:04,517 --> 00:31:05,560 No. 526 00:31:05,768 --> 00:31:06,767 Okay. 527 00:31:07,224 --> 00:31:09,267 We'll just leave a copy of that for you. 528 00:31:09,851 --> 00:31:11,392 Yeah, we'll leave a copy. 529 00:31:49,805 --> 00:31:51,304 So, uh, 530 00:31:51,305 --> 00:31:53,678 all this stems from a report that we received 531 00:31:53,679 --> 00:31:56,680 that you had mishandled classified information. 532 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,011 Uh, my, uh, question is, 533 00:32:00,012 --> 00:32:02,428 does that ring any bells to you whatsoever? 534 00:32:09,094 --> 00:32:12,176 It-it does now. Um... 535 00:32:12,177 --> 00:32:15,136 When I started working at White Law, I... 536 00:32:16,968 --> 00:32:19,052 Do you guys know PKI passwords? Mm-hmm. 537 00:32:19,510 --> 00:32:23,091 So I had a printed-out email, and I put it in a folder. 538 00:32:23,092 --> 00:32:25,675 I didn't have a desk yet, so I, I took it with me 539 00:32:25,676 --> 00:32:28,258 and passed through security and went to Starbucks. 540 00:32:28,259 --> 00:32:32,008 And when I came back, they searched through it. 541 00:32:32,009 --> 00:32:33,507 And unfortunately, 542 00:32:33,508 --> 00:32:36,133 the email I had printed out was classified, 543 00:32:36,134 --> 00:32:38,007 and, uh, they, they filed a report for that. 544 00:32:38,008 --> 00:32:39,341 Okay. Alright. 545 00:32:39,342 --> 00:32:41,008 And, uh, what's your work role there 546 00:32:41,009 --> 00:32:42,133 at, at White Law? 547 00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:46,592 Currently, I translate graphics documents, and, um... 548 00:32:48,299 --> 00:32:50,382 Yeah, that's all I do. Okay. 549 00:32:50,841 --> 00:32:52,132 From Farsi to English. 550 00:32:52,964 --> 00:32:56,173 So you're assigned to a specific section, 551 00:32:56,174 --> 00:32:57,504 I guess, or group? Yes. 552 00:32:57,505 --> 00:33:00,672 Uh, it's the Iranian Aerospace Forces Office. 553 00:33:00,673 --> 00:33:03,255 Have you been assigned there your entire time there? 554 00:33:03,631 --> 00:33:05,173 Yes, since February. 555 00:33:06,673 --> 00:33:07,712 Okay. 556 00:33:07,713 --> 00:33:09,087 Uh, is there any other issues 557 00:33:09,088 --> 00:33:11,005 or anything you're aware of that might explain 558 00:33:11,006 --> 00:33:12,794 why that report was generated? 559 00:33:12,795 --> 00:33:15,963 Like, ah, maybe this, maybe that. 560 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,171 No. 561 00:33:19,588 --> 00:33:20,671 No. Okay. 562 00:33:21,172 --> 00:33:24,836 Um, so you currently hold Top Secret/SCI clearance? 563 00:33:24,837 --> 00:33:26,171 Yes. 564 00:33:27,336 --> 00:33:29,960 How long have you had that? 565 00:33:29,961 --> 00:33:34,753 Uh, I would say since January 2013. 566 00:33:35,086 --> 00:33:37,293 While you were in the Air Force? Yes. 567 00:33:38,543 --> 00:33:40,044 So you kept it through... 568 00:33:42,501 --> 00:33:43,543 through the... 569 00:33:44,293 --> 00:33:45,377 Did you... 570 00:33:46,544 --> 00:33:49,500 I guess when you left the Air Force, you kept the... 571 00:33:49,501 --> 00:33:50,543 When did you lea... 572 00:33:51,168 --> 00:33:53,291 When did you process out of the Air Force? 573 00:33:53,292 --> 00:33:55,791 Uh, I processed out of the Air Force, 574 00:33:55,792 --> 00:33:57,916 um, December, 575 00:33:57,917 --> 00:34:01,957 uh, December 14th, um, 2016. 576 00:34:01,958 --> 00:34:04,457 And up until that time, I was looking for contracts 577 00:34:04,458 --> 00:34:06,374 to try and get my clearance renewed. 578 00:34:06,375 --> 00:34:08,873 So your, uh, clearance just kind of passed through? 579 00:34:08,874 --> 00:34:10,583 It passed through. Yeah. 580 00:34:13,081 --> 00:34:14,498 Okay. Alright. 581 00:34:14,874 --> 00:34:18,371 Um, so, again, as far as you're aware, 582 00:34:18,372 --> 00:34:20,706 you haven't committed any security violations 583 00:34:20,707 --> 00:34:22,080 or anything you're aware of 584 00:34:22,081 --> 00:34:23,955 other than this, this 585 00:34:23,956 --> 00:34:26,039 PKI thing? 586 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,372 Other than the PKI thing, no. 587 00:34:36,788 --> 00:34:38,079 I mean... 588 00:34:39,455 --> 00:34:43,286 I-I do print out documents at work 589 00:34:43,287 --> 00:34:46,827 because it's easier for me to translate them by hand. 590 00:34:46,828 --> 00:34:49,286 Hmm. But then I put them in the box, 591 00:34:49,287 --> 00:34:50,995 and then I don't get it mixed up 592 00:34:50,996 --> 00:34:52,951 with, like, my, my classified notes 593 00:34:52,952 --> 00:34:54,411 because they, uh... 594 00:34:56,037 --> 00:34:58,619 I use pretty paper. 595 00:34:59,244 --> 00:35:01,453 So I don't take out white paper. 596 00:35:03,410 --> 00:35:05,368 Mm. Got it. 597 00:35:05,952 --> 00:35:07,366 An-and I know it sounds really dumb, 598 00:35:07,367 --> 00:35:11,076 but it's just, uh, it's how I can do it now. 599 00:35:11,535 --> 00:35:14,617 And after this stupid PKI thing, I was like, 600 00:35:14,618 --> 00:35:17,407 no more white paper out of the building. 601 00:35:17,408 --> 00:35:20,450 You, you said you printed out stuff. 602 00:35:20,451 --> 00:35:21,824 Yeah, I printed out... 603 00:35:21,825 --> 00:35:23,324 Is there a, a... 604 00:35:23,325 --> 00:35:26,242 why did that come to mind as far as security? 605 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,450 I guess 606 00:35:32,074 --> 00:35:34,574 I'm, um, just trying to think about 607 00:35:35,699 --> 00:35:36,907 actual paper. 608 00:35:37,490 --> 00:35:39,531 Um, I can't imagine any other way 609 00:35:39,532 --> 00:35:42,198 to get things out of the building, I guess. 610 00:35:42,489 --> 00:35:46,156 I mean, I-I'm old fashioned, so thinking about that. 611 00:35:46,157 --> 00:35:50,238 And just with this PKI thing, 612 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:51,946 just making sure I don't accidentally have anything 613 00:35:51,947 --> 00:35:53,488 in my lunch box or anything like... 614 00:35:53,489 --> 00:35:55,321 Nothing got out of the building? Nothing. 615 00:35:55,322 --> 00:35:57,153 You didn't carry anything out of the building? 616 00:35:57,154 --> 00:36:00,362 No. No. And I definitely let everything get searched all the time. 617 00:36:00,363 --> 00:36:02,945 So I haven't had any other accidents. 618 00:36:05,780 --> 00:36:07,361 Do you work on any other matters? 619 00:36:07,779 --> 00:36:08,695 No. 620 00:36:08,696 --> 00:36:10,029 Okay. 621 00:36:11,237 --> 00:36:14,319 Have you ever inadvertently, either by accident 622 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,487 or, or intentionally or whatever, 623 00:36:16,488 --> 00:36:20,361 uh, gone outside your need to know on items? 624 00:36:20,904 --> 00:36:24,234 Outside my need to know on items? 625 00:36:24,235 --> 00:36:25,360 Um... 626 00:36:26,818 --> 00:36:28,984 I do from time to time 627 00:36:28,985 --> 00:36:31,027 look at a website called My Online. 628 00:36:31,402 --> 00:36:34,358 It's, uh, drone feeds. Okay. 629 00:36:34,359 --> 00:36:37,941 I used to work a drone mission, so it's all Afghan stuff. 630 00:36:37,942 --> 00:36:40,943 But other than that, just, uh... 631 00:36:41,984 --> 00:36:44,608 reading basic news articles on NSA Net. 632 00:36:44,609 --> 00:36:46,774 But I've never accessed anything that's outside of... 633 00:36:46,775 --> 00:36:49,899 Okay. Have you ever gone searching for stuff 634 00:36:49,900 --> 00:36:53,065 that's not related to your, uh, your work role? 635 00:36:53,066 --> 00:36:54,191 No. 636 00:36:54,775 --> 00:36:56,150 Okay. 637 00:36:58,231 --> 00:36:59,564 You kind of already answered this. 638 00:36:59,565 --> 00:37:03,813 But outside of the PKI, have you ever taken anything 639 00:37:03,814 --> 00:37:06,647 outside of the, uh, uh, the NSA facility? 640 00:37:06,648 --> 00:37:08,396 No. No? 641 00:37:08,397 --> 00:37:11,064 Uh, have you downloaded anything? Emailed anything out? 642 00:37:11,065 --> 00:37:13,438 No. No? Okay. 643 00:37:13,439 --> 00:37:16,105 Have you ever discussed, uh, any classified material 644 00:37:16,106 --> 00:37:17,312 with anybody who wouldn't have 645 00:37:17,313 --> 00:37:19,604 the, uh, prior US government authorization? 646 00:37:19,605 --> 00:37:21,480 Who wouldn't have the clearance or anything like that? 647 00:37:21,481 --> 00:37:23,645 Who wouldn't have the clearance and the need to know? 648 00:37:23,646 --> 00:37:25,022 No. 649 00:37:25,688 --> 00:37:28,145 No? Okay. 650 00:37:28,812 --> 00:37:31,853 Not many people ask about Iranian aerospace, 651 00:37:31,854 --> 00:37:34,354 so, uh... I lucked out. 652 00:37:34,979 --> 00:37:36,810 So you never discussed, uh, discussed work 653 00:37:36,811 --> 00:37:38,644 or anything classified with anybody? 654 00:37:41,312 --> 00:37:42,352 Uh-uh. 655 00:37:45,186 --> 00:37:46,644 How's the neighborhood? 656 00:37:50,478 --> 00:37:53,100 I, I did not look at a map when I signed the lease. 657 00:37:53,101 --> 00:37:56,143 But I am well armed. 658 00:37:56,144 --> 00:37:58,058 You seem to be. 659 00:37:58,059 --> 00:37:59,516 What's your plans? 660 00:37:59,517 --> 00:38:00,809 You gonna stay in the house 661 00:38:00,810 --> 00:38:01,933 or you gonna move somewhere else or... 662 00:38:01,934 --> 00:38:03,807 Di-did you sign a lease, I guess? 663 00:38:03,808 --> 00:38:05,975 I signed a lease, and I would only break it 664 00:38:05,976 --> 00:38:06,974 if I get a deployment. 665 00:38:06,975 --> 00:38:08,183 - Yeah. - Mm-hmm. 666 00:38:08,683 --> 00:38:11,807 Have you had any issues here since you moved here? 667 00:38:11,808 --> 00:38:13,515 I did, yeah. 668 00:38:13,516 --> 00:38:14,642 What happened? 669 00:38:15,224 --> 00:38:19,098 I was coming home from a concert in Atlanta and it was 3:00 a.m., 670 00:38:19,099 --> 00:38:23,930 and, uh, there was a, a guy standing on the street. 671 00:38:23,931 --> 00:38:26,515 And I wanted to make sure that he didn't see me go 672 00:38:26,516 --> 00:38:27,972 from like my car to my, my door. 673 00:38:27,973 --> 00:38:29,597 And I thought I'd timed it out well. 674 00:38:29,598 --> 00:38:32,014 But then I was standing at the sink getting water 675 00:38:32,015 --> 00:38:34,412 and then someone starts knocking at the door and I was like... 676 00:38:36,223 --> 00:38:38,513 Do you have a toothpick? Huh? 677 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,970 Uh, it's, uh, 3:00 a.m., 678 00:38:46,971 --> 00:38:50,304 and, uh, my-my-my keys and my phone were by the door 679 00:38:50,305 --> 00:38:51,929 'cause that's where I dropped them, 680 00:38:51,930 --> 00:38:53,638 'cause I had to pee, so, uh, 681 00:38:54,471 --> 00:38:57,135 very glad to have a, a Glock Nine in the back. 682 00:38:57,136 --> 00:38:58,469 Oh, yeah. 683 00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:59,346 Did not sleep. 684 00:38:59,347 --> 00:39:00,679 I'm sure. 685 00:39:02,178 --> 00:39:03,886 Anything other than that? 686 00:39:05,595 --> 00:39:08,052 Other than that? Um... 687 00:39:09,636 --> 00:39:10,969 There's this... 688 00:39:11,511 --> 00:39:15,218 People always ask if you want your lawn done. 689 00:39:15,219 --> 00:39:17,842 And, uh, someone came and mowed my lawn 690 00:39:17,843 --> 00:39:19,301 while I was in Belize last week, 691 00:39:19,302 --> 00:39:21,759 so, uh, not really cool with that. 692 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,508 - I imagine not. - Yeah. 693 00:39:23,509 --> 00:39:24,759 They're probably gonna come by, 694 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,176 knock on the door, and ask for compensation. 695 00:39:26,177 --> 00:39:27,591 Yeah. 696 00:39:27,592 --> 00:39:28,799 I mean, if it's the same guy 697 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,966 I paid last time, 698 00:39:29,967 --> 00:39:31,841 he's like this little old man, 699 00:39:31,842 --> 00:39:34,633 like, in his 80s, so I won't really be mad. 700 00:39:34,634 --> 00:39:36,715 - But... - When, uh, 701 00:39:36,716 --> 00:39:38,549 when did you go to Belize? 702 00:39:40,091 --> 00:39:43,631 I left on Saturday morning and flew back 703 00:39:43,632 --> 00:39:45,216 Monday morning, uh, 704 00:39:45,966 --> 00:39:47,256 last weekend. 705 00:39:48,757 --> 00:39:49,996 That was a quick trip to Belize. 706 00:39:52,672 --> 00:39:54,173 It was a quick trip. 707 00:39:54,715 --> 00:39:56,131 What you go down there for? 708 00:39:56,132 --> 00:39:59,546 I wanted to see the Mayan pyramids. 709 00:39:59,547 --> 00:40:00,672 Okay. 710 00:40:00,673 --> 00:40:02,253 So, yeah. 711 00:40:02,254 --> 00:40:04,046 That's pretty cool. 712 00:40:04,047 --> 00:40:05,588 I-I didn't have any leave, 713 00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:09,087 so I was tired of waiting for the stars to align. 714 00:40:09,088 --> 00:40:11,129 So I just said... Sure. 715 00:40:11,130 --> 00:40:12,753 Got three days, let's do it. 716 00:40:12,754 --> 00:40:14,086 That's cool. Fair enough. 717 00:40:14,087 --> 00:40:16,172 Spur of the moment, that's pretty cool. 718 00:40:17,128 --> 00:40:19,171 Did you go down there by yourself or... 719 00:40:19,837 --> 00:40:22,003 Yeah, by myself. 720 00:40:22,004 --> 00:40:23,793 Okay. Did you 721 00:40:23,794 --> 00:40:25,962 do any tours or anything down there? 722 00:40:26,586 --> 00:40:27,627 I did. 723 00:40:27,628 --> 00:40:29,752 Um, I... 724 00:40:29,753 --> 00:40:31,877 The, the first day, I went on, like, 725 00:40:31,878 --> 00:40:34,126 a Altun Ha tour. 726 00:40:34,127 --> 00:40:36,709 Uh... that was one of the first sites. 727 00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:39,709 And then the second day, we did, um, 728 00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:41,709 uh, we took a boat on a river 729 00:40:41,710 --> 00:40:43,167 down to the Lamanai pyramids. 730 00:40:43,168 --> 00:40:44,585 And then we came back and... 731 00:40:46,418 --> 00:40:47,584 Yeah. 732 00:40:48,876 --> 00:40:50,668 - Okay. - Mm-hmm. 733 00:40:51,542 --> 00:40:53,334 Saw a bunch of monkeys. 734 00:40:54,501 --> 00:40:57,873 So you're positive you've never printed anything out 735 00:40:57,874 --> 00:41:00,000 that was outside of your work role? 736 00:41:04,458 --> 00:41:06,291 Uh, I'm trying to think. 737 00:41:06,292 --> 00:41:07,415 Um... 738 00:41:08,332 --> 00:41:09,539 uh... 739 00:41:09,540 --> 00:41:12,455 because there's, um, there's, 740 00:41:12,456 --> 00:41:13,914 there's NSA Pulse, 741 00:41:13,915 --> 00:41:17,331 and, uh, from time to time, I, I do print out articles 742 00:41:17,997 --> 00:41:21,039 from that and use as scratch paper. 743 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,871 Uh, th-that sounds really dumb. 744 00:41:23,872 --> 00:41:26,122 Uh, (laughs) now that I'm thinking about it, 745 00:41:26,123 --> 00:41:29,038 the things that I, I did were r-r-r-really dumb, uh. 746 00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:31,413 But then, I always threw it out in the burn bin. 747 00:41:31,414 --> 00:41:32,661 Okay. 748 00:41:32,662 --> 00:41:34,581 What kind of articles from Pulse do you pull out? 749 00:41:36,081 --> 00:41:38,412 Uh, usually reference material about, like... 750 00:41:39,871 --> 00:41:42,160 uh, just making sure, like, so many references 751 00:41:42,161 --> 00:41:44,203 that I keep having to re-look up, 752 00:41:44,204 --> 00:41:48,077 so that's probably a fraud, waste, and abuse right there. 753 00:41:48,078 --> 00:41:50,579 We're not worried about fraud, waste, and abuse. 754 00:41:51,454 --> 00:41:52,534 Okay. 755 00:41:52,535 --> 00:41:53,660 No. 756 00:41:56,037 --> 00:41:58,117 I use a lot of papers, 757 00:41:58,118 --> 00:42:02,075 but nothing outside of Iranian stuff or anything 758 00:42:02,076 --> 00:42:04,701 other than that, and never outside of the building. 759 00:42:04,702 --> 00:42:05,911 Okay. 760 00:42:06,493 --> 00:42:07,576 Reality, 761 00:42:08,326 --> 00:42:10,368 what if I said that I have the information 762 00:42:10,369 --> 00:42:12,115 to suggest that you did print out stuff 763 00:42:12,116 --> 00:42:13,992 that was outside of that scope? 764 00:42:17,575 --> 00:42:19,325 I mean, I would... 765 00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:21,575 I would try to remember. 766 00:42:22,824 --> 00:42:23,865 Okay. 767 00:42:23,866 --> 00:42:24,990 What if I said 768 00:42:24,991 --> 00:42:27,615 that you printed out information 769 00:42:27,616 --> 00:42:29,699 related to, uh, reports on... 770 00:42:37,448 --> 00:42:38,490 Reality? 771 00:42:39,657 --> 00:42:40,906 Uh... 772 00:42:40,907 --> 00:42:42,988 we obviously know a lot more than, 773 00:42:42,989 --> 00:42:44,906 than what we're telling you at this point. 774 00:42:46,281 --> 00:42:48,029 And I think, I think you know a lot more 775 00:42:48,030 --> 00:42:49,822 than what you're telling us at this point. 776 00:42:50,531 --> 00:42:52,904 I don't want you to go down the wrong road. 777 00:42:52,905 --> 00:42:55,321 I think you need to, to stop 778 00:42:55,322 --> 00:42:57,944 and think about what you're saying 779 00:42:57,945 --> 00:42:59,279 and what you're doing. 780 00:42:59,946 --> 00:43:02,569 I think it-it-it's an, an opportunity 781 00:43:02,570 --> 00:43:03,819 to maybe tell the truth. 782 00:43:03,820 --> 00:43:05,945 Because t-telling a, 783 00:43:05,946 --> 00:43:09,110 telling a lie to an FBI agent 784 00:43:09,111 --> 00:43:10,987 is not going to be the right thing. 785 00:43:11,737 --> 00:43:12,653 Okay? 786 00:43:12,654 --> 00:43:15,195 Uh, you know, uh, again, 787 00:43:15,987 --> 00:43:18,193 we're here voluntarily. 788 00:43:18,194 --> 00:43:21,070 You're talking voluntarily. 789 00:43:21,403 --> 00:43:24,777 I'm not asking you, forcing you to do anything 790 00:43:24,778 --> 00:43:26,070 but think. 791 00:43:26,610 --> 00:43:29,401 That-that-that's what I'm asking you to do is think. 792 00:43:30,818 --> 00:43:32,566 So... 793 00:43:32,567 --> 00:43:34,777 think about what he just asked you 794 00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:36,401 and let, you know... 795 00:43:47,608 --> 00:43:49,065 There's one I, uh, printed out 796 00:43:49,066 --> 00:43:50,608 because I wanted to read it. 797 00:43:56,192 --> 00:43:58,106 Can you remember what day that was? 798 00:43:59,398 --> 00:44:01,981 I might mess up the dates, but, um... 799 00:44:03,065 --> 00:44:06,315 late, late March, early, uh... 800 00:44:07,397 --> 00:44:09,564 early April. And what was it? 801 00:44:11,315 --> 00:44:13,272 It was an NSA Pulse article about... 802 00:44:17,812 --> 00:44:20,231 Okay. And, uh... 803 00:44:21,521 --> 00:44:22,854 I did print that one out. 804 00:44:25,647 --> 00:44:26,645 Okay. 805 00:44:27,895 --> 00:44:29,604 Why... 806 00:44:30,104 --> 00:44:31,520 Why did you print that one out? 807 00:44:33,145 --> 00:44:35,686 Um, because I wanted to read it. 808 00:44:35,687 --> 00:44:38,769 Uh, the way I, I downloaded it, it was hard to read, 809 00:44:38,770 --> 00:44:40,394 so, um... 810 00:44:40,395 --> 00:44:42,309 uh, just, 811 00:44:42,310 --> 00:44:44,809 it looked like a, a piece of history, you know? 812 00:44:44,810 --> 00:44:47,268 And I, I wanted it on my desk for, like, a day. 813 00:44:48,393 --> 00:44:50,269 Did you, uh... H-how did you find it? 814 00:44:51,935 --> 00:44:53,934 Uh, so if you go on Pulse, 815 00:44:53,935 --> 00:44:56,101 there's a... 816 00:44:56,102 --> 00:44:58,600 uh, the top right, they have a tab 817 00:44:58,601 --> 00:45:01,808 that says "articles," and I, I scroll through those. 818 00:45:01,809 --> 00:45:03,933 Uh... 819 00:45:03,934 --> 00:45:05,016 I don't know if you guys saw the one 820 00:45:05,017 --> 00:45:07,098 about the miniature ponies, but... 821 00:45:07,099 --> 00:45:08,474 We missed that one. Yeah. 822 00:45:08,475 --> 00:45:09,682 No, that was, 823 00:45:09,683 --> 00:45:11,016 uh, that was number one for, like, a year, 824 00:45:11,017 --> 00:45:12,890 so obviously I go to check to see 825 00:45:12,891 --> 00:45:14,057 if there's any other gems. 826 00:45:14,058 --> 00:45:16,182 And then there was, there was that one, 827 00:45:16,183 --> 00:45:19,264 and I saw it on the news and I was just like, 828 00:45:19,265 --> 00:45:22,056 yeah, I, uh, I wanted to read it. 829 00:45:22,890 --> 00:45:24,307 So, yeah. 830 00:45:24,848 --> 00:45:26,515 - Okay. - What did you do with the article? 831 00:45:27,097 --> 00:45:30,307 I kept it on my desk for, like, three days. 832 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,055 I'm going to be honest. 833 00:45:40,306 --> 00:45:42,304 I only read, like, half of it. 834 00:45:43,138 --> 00:45:45,179 It was the stupidest thing ever. 835 00:45:45,180 --> 00:45:46,929 Uh, and then, and then I burned bagged it 836 00:45:46,930 --> 00:45:49,596 in the box with the slat, uh, next to the fridge. 837 00:45:50,222 --> 00:45:53,302 Okay. Uh, did you print out any other articles? 838 00:45:53,303 --> 00:45:55,595 No, no, I just, just, only the one. 839 00:45:55,596 --> 00:45:57,260 Okay. 840 00:45:57,261 --> 00:45:58,345 Talking around it. 841 00:45:59,094 --> 00:46:01,303 You're pretty sure it was late April, early March. 842 00:46:01,304 --> 00:46:03,093 Think about, uh, try to remember, like, 843 00:46:03,094 --> 00:46:04,302 details in your personal life. 844 00:46:04,303 --> 00:46:07,509 I know! I-I'm trying. I d... I don't... 845 00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:08,802 I don't, I don't remember. 846 00:46:08,803 --> 00:46:10,635 Um, I got in a fight 847 00:46:10,636 --> 00:46:13,425 with the boyfriend that week. 848 00:46:13,426 --> 00:46:15,928 God, when did I break up with him? I-I don't remember. 849 00:46:16,510 --> 00:46:18,592 God, I'm, I'm really blanking on what week, 850 00:46:18,593 --> 00:46:20,383 what the, what the weekend was like before that. 851 00:46:20,384 --> 00:46:21,925 I-I'm so sorry. It's okay. 852 00:46:21,926 --> 00:46:24,384 Uh, I'm trying. God. 853 00:46:24,884 --> 00:46:27,757 Yeah. Mid-, mid-April is all I'm thinking. 854 00:46:27,758 --> 00:46:28,800 Okay. Alright. 855 00:46:28,801 --> 00:46:30,424 What if I tell you that I know 856 00:46:30,425 --> 00:46:32,590 that you searched for and printed out a document 857 00:46:32,591 --> 00:46:34,300 on the ninth of May? 858 00:46:35,675 --> 00:46:37,049 The ninth of May? 859 00:46:38,299 --> 00:46:39,800 Uh, let me see. 860 00:46:40,341 --> 00:46:44,091 The CrossFit competition was on the 12th. 861 00:46:45,049 --> 00:46:48,047 God, was it really that late? Um... 862 00:46:48,048 --> 00:46:49,506 I-I-I mean, I can't argue that. 863 00:46:49,507 --> 00:46:52,171 If-if you know, you know, I mean, obviously you know. 864 00:46:52,172 --> 00:46:54,839 - I mean, I-I just, I can't imagine. - Okay, uh... 865 00:46:55,465 --> 00:46:58,464 I mean, I guess we're already June already. 866 00:47:00,714 --> 00:47:03,170 It's, it's been a really bad month for me. 867 00:47:03,171 --> 00:47:04,712 Do you remember what you did 868 00:47:04,713 --> 00:47:06,130 to get to that article? 869 00:47:07,254 --> 00:47:09,587 Other than seeing it on the, 870 00:47:09,588 --> 00:47:10,796 on the front page or linking it... 871 00:47:10,797 --> 00:47:12,669 Uh, do you remember what search terms 872 00:47:12,670 --> 00:47:13,754 you might have put in? 873 00:47:23,087 --> 00:47:24,961 Probably... 874 00:47:27,585 --> 00:47:29,752 I'm not very sophisticated. 875 00:47:29,753 --> 00:47:31,419 Okay. So... 876 00:47:31,919 --> 00:47:33,584 you did print out a document, 877 00:47:33,585 --> 00:47:35,585 uh, an intelligence report. 878 00:47:35,586 --> 00:47:37,085 Y-you do recall that? 879 00:47:37,918 --> 00:47:39,960 Yeah, I do remember now. Yeah. 880 00:47:40,335 --> 00:47:42,542 Okay. What did you do with that report? 881 00:47:45,085 --> 00:47:47,749 I kept it on my desk for three days, 882 00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:50,750 and, um, I thought it was interesting and I would read it. 883 00:47:50,751 --> 00:47:53,749 And then I said, no, I sh... I should not have this on my desk. 884 00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:55,458 And so I put it in the burn bag. 885 00:47:55,459 --> 00:47:56,958 Where's the burn bag? 886 00:47:57,415 --> 00:47:59,040 Okay, uh, 887 00:47:59,041 --> 00:48:01,416 it's in the, uh, break room. 888 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,374 Uh, it's the white box with the little slat on it, 889 00:48:05,375 --> 00:48:06,332 one over from the fridge. 890 00:48:06,333 --> 00:48:08,539 So you just slide it in there and... 891 00:48:08,540 --> 00:48:10,248 - And it's taken care of? - Yeah. 892 00:48:12,247 --> 00:48:13,998 Okay, Reality... 893 00:48:15,082 --> 00:48:16,747 are you sure that's what you did with it? 894 00:48:16,748 --> 00:48:18,039 Yes. 895 00:48:18,997 --> 00:48:20,331 You're positive? 896 00:48:21,248 --> 00:48:23,621 Yes. You didn't take it out of the building? 897 00:48:23,622 --> 00:48:24,913 No. 898 00:48:24,914 --> 00:48:25,955 You didn't take it out of the building 899 00:48:25,956 --> 00:48:27,079 and give it to anybody? 900 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,912 No. You didn't send it? 901 00:48:28,913 --> 00:48:31,205 No. You didn't send it to anyone? 902 00:48:31,206 --> 00:48:32,287 No. 903 00:48:33,162 --> 00:48:34,787 Reality, can you guess how many people 904 00:48:34,788 --> 00:48:36,371 might have printed out that article? 905 00:48:38,412 --> 00:48:39,620 No. 906 00:48:39,621 --> 00:48:41,205 It's not many. 907 00:48:41,703 --> 00:48:44,078 That article has made it outside of NSA. 908 00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:46,620 Okay? Obviously, because we're here. 909 00:48:48,203 --> 00:48:49,994 And the most likely candidate 910 00:48:49,995 --> 00:48:52,994 by far and away is you. 911 00:48:54,619 --> 00:48:56,368 So now, 912 00:48:56,369 --> 00:48:58,909 I-I-I don't think... 913 00:48:58,910 --> 00:49:00,077 I don't think you're a, you know, 914 00:49:00,078 --> 00:49:02,909 a, a big bad master spy or anything. 915 00:49:02,910 --> 00:49:04,951 Okay? I don't. I don't think that. 916 00:49:04,952 --> 00:49:06,492 I think that I've looked at the evidence, 917 00:49:06,493 --> 00:49:08,867 and it's compelling. 918 00:49:10,077 --> 00:49:11,783 Now, I'm not sure why you did it, 919 00:49:11,784 --> 00:49:13,824 and I'm curious as to that, 920 00:49:13,825 --> 00:49:15,075 but I think 921 00:49:15,076 --> 00:49:16,908 you might have been angry over everything 922 00:49:16,909 --> 00:49:18,950 that's going on politics-wise. 923 00:49:19,867 --> 00:49:21,325 Because you can't turn on the... 924 00:49:22,282 --> 00:49:24,574 you can't turn on the TV without getting pissed off. 925 00:49:25,450 --> 00:49:26,491 Or at least I can't. 926 00:49:27,949 --> 00:49:30,282 I think you might have just made a mistake. 927 00:49:31,075 --> 00:49:33,030 Now, why I'm here and why I want to talk to you 928 00:49:33,031 --> 00:49:35,532 is to figure out the why behind this. 929 00:49:35,533 --> 00:49:37,404 Okay? 930 00:49:37,405 --> 00:49:39,823 So... I ask you again. 931 00:49:41,199 --> 00:49:42,864 Did you take it out and send it? 932 00:49:45,365 --> 00:49:47,446 I... I didn't. 933 00:49:48,738 --> 00:49:50,571 I-I-I put it in the burn bag. 934 00:49:50,572 --> 00:49:52,570 I mean, I'm trying to deploy. 935 00:49:52,571 --> 00:49:54,612 I'm not trying to be a whistleblower. That's crazy. 936 00:49:54,613 --> 00:49:56,904 So how would you think that a document would end up getting out? 937 00:49:56,905 --> 00:49:59,153 Uh, I mean... 938 00:49:59,154 --> 00:50:00,571 I, I mean... 939 00:50:03,529 --> 00:50:05,028 Let's be honest, there's, 940 00:50:05,029 --> 00:50:07,985 there's little to no security on the documents. 941 00:50:07,986 --> 00:50:09,945 I mean, nobody pats you down. Mm-hmm. 942 00:50:09,946 --> 00:50:11,568 We talk about it all the time at work, like, 943 00:50:11,569 --> 00:50:12,693 "Oh, you have to show our lunch. 944 00:50:12,694 --> 00:50:13,777 Oh, you eat so healthy," 945 00:50:13,778 --> 00:50:15,528 like every day, all the time. 946 00:50:15,529 --> 00:50:16,902 And people just, they... 947 00:50:16,903 --> 00:50:20,276 I mean, we, we have a building full of geniuses, right? 948 00:50:20,277 --> 00:50:23,067 And, I mean, I guess I'm just... 949 00:50:23,068 --> 00:50:25,109 I'm, I'm, I'm talking and I'm nervous, 950 00:50:25,110 --> 00:50:27,776 but I-I didn't, I didn't do anything with it. 951 00:50:28,401 --> 00:50:30,234 I mean, I-I'm trying to go somewhere else. 952 00:50:30,235 --> 00:50:32,399 I'm trying to increase my clearance. Okay. 953 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,608 I mean, I... and I know it was sensitive 954 00:50:34,609 --> 00:50:35,858 and I thought it would be cool to have 955 00:50:35,859 --> 00:50:37,107 on my desk for a couple days. 956 00:50:37,108 --> 00:50:38,316 Okay. But do you remember, you said you remember 957 00:50:38,317 --> 00:50:40,233 putting it in the, in the, the burn bag. 958 00:50:40,234 --> 00:50:41,399 Yeah. Just sliding it in there. 959 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:42,524 Okay. 960 00:50:42,525 --> 00:50:44,108 I remember that. Folded in half. 961 00:50:45,567 --> 00:50:47,107 Folded in half? 962 00:50:50,441 --> 00:50:52,440 Yeah. Yeah, um... 963 00:50:53,398 --> 00:50:54,607 Because it didn't... 964 00:50:56,482 --> 00:50:57,898 Yeah, uh, folded in half. 965 00:51:00,190 --> 00:51:02,314 What if I tell you that that document 966 00:51:03,231 --> 00:51:04,356 folded in half 967 00:51:05,107 --> 00:51:07,396 made its way outside of NSA? 968 00:51:09,231 --> 00:51:11,064 I, I don't, I don't... Made its way out 969 00:51:11,065 --> 00:51:13,605 in an envelope postmarked Augusta, Georgia. 970 00:51:14,396 --> 00:51:17,437 See, things are starting to get a little specific. 971 00:51:19,939 --> 00:51:22,353 Yeah. Made its way to an online news source 972 00:51:22,354 --> 00:51:24,020 that you subscribe to. 973 00:51:24,021 --> 00:51:25,813 Getting really specific. 974 00:51:28,229 --> 00:51:29,938 So I'm going to ask you again. 975 00:51:34,978 --> 00:51:37,936 What is very, very... 976 00:51:39,269 --> 00:51:40,937 very compelling... 977 00:51:44,435 --> 00:51:45,726 I'd like to know the reason 978 00:51:45,727 --> 00:51:48,101 because I, I-I don't think 979 00:51:48,102 --> 00:51:51,143 you make a habit out of this at all. 980 00:51:51,144 --> 00:51:53,016 At all. 981 00:51:53,017 --> 00:51:56,351 I think you just... messed up. 982 00:51:57,392 --> 00:51:58,891 Now, I'm not sure why you did it, 983 00:51:58,892 --> 00:52:01,102 and I'd like to hear from you on that. 984 00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:05,225 But the what and the how 985 00:52:05,226 --> 00:52:08,141 would you agree... looks awfully bad? 986 00:52:09,725 --> 00:52:11,142 It looks really bad. Yeah. 987 00:52:13,140 --> 00:52:15,058 If you're angry about what's going on, 988 00:52:16,058 --> 00:52:17,431 if there's anything that... 989 00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:22,222 Look, you've had a good career. 990 00:52:22,223 --> 00:52:23,348 You have. 991 00:52:23,973 --> 00:52:26,263 If there's something that just pushed you 992 00:52:26,264 --> 00:52:27,430 over the edge on this... 993 00:52:29,098 --> 00:52:30,807 now is the perfect time. 994 00:52:32,263 --> 00:52:33,430 This is a podium. 995 00:52:37,721 --> 00:52:39,596 You know, 996 00:52:39,597 --> 00:52:42,596 like... like he said, 997 00:52:43,930 --> 00:52:45,679 I, I don't think we're coming in here to say 998 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,470 you're some big, bad mastermind, prolific spy kind of thing. 999 00:52:49,471 --> 00:52:53,219 I think what we both think is that maybe you made a mistake. 1000 00:52:53,220 --> 00:52:55,095 Maybe you weren't thinking for a minute. 1001 00:52:55,096 --> 00:52:56,969 Maybe you got angry, like he said. 1002 00:52:58,345 --> 00:53:00,929 I mean, th-that's what I'm hoping. 1003 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:02,884 If th-that's the case, 1004 00:53:02,885 --> 00:53:04,343 then that makes us feel a little better 1005 00:53:04,344 --> 00:53:09,051 knowing we don't have a, a real serious problem here. 1006 00:53:09,052 --> 00:53:12,009 You know, that's something that concerns us, too. 1007 00:53:12,718 --> 00:53:15,677 That, that this isn't an, an ongoing problem. 1008 00:53:16,301 --> 00:53:18,008 But we need to figure it out. 1009 00:53:18,009 --> 00:53:20,301 And if it was a mistake... 1010 00:53:21,925 --> 00:53:23,217 let's deal with it. 1011 00:53:24,968 --> 00:53:26,549 Is this... 1012 00:53:26,550 --> 00:53:28,133 is this a room? 1013 00:53:29,883 --> 00:53:31,258 Agent 2: Is that a room? 1014 00:53:43,924 --> 00:53:45,840 So how'd you get it out of the office? 1015 00:54:04,213 --> 00:54:06,338 Folded in half in my pantyhose. 1016 00:54:21,294 --> 00:54:22,378 Okay. 1017 00:54:23,586 --> 00:54:24,795 And what did you do with it? 1018 00:54:34,544 --> 00:54:37,208 I put it in an envelope and sent it to... 1019 00:54:37,209 --> 00:54:39,210 Anybody specifically there? 1020 00:54:39,834 --> 00:54:41,668 I don't think I put a name. I just put... 1021 00:54:42,209 --> 00:54:44,208 Had you communicated with them prior to you doing that? With... 1022 00:54:44,209 --> 00:54:46,875 No, I wasn't trying to be a Snowden or anything. 1023 00:54:46,876 --> 00:54:48,499 And that's what... I don't think you were either. 1024 00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:49,791 I really don't. 1025 00:54:49,792 --> 00:54:52,582 But I, I, I think you made a mistake. 1026 00:54:52,583 --> 00:54:54,749 But... 1027 00:54:54,750 --> 00:54:56,207 I don't think either one of us 1028 00:54:56,208 --> 00:54:58,374 think you were trying to be Snowden. 1029 00:54:59,208 --> 00:55:02,122 No, it was, it was just the one document. 1030 00:55:02,123 --> 00:55:03,873 And like you said, because... Right. 1031 00:55:03,874 --> 00:55:07,413 I've had, um, a, a really hard time at work. 1032 00:55:07,414 --> 00:55:10,289 Uh, I've, I've, I've filed formal complaints 1033 00:55:10,290 --> 00:55:13,705 about them having Fox News on all the time 1034 00:55:13,706 --> 00:55:16,831 and, and, like, for God's sake, put Al-Jazeera on 1035 00:55:16,832 --> 00:55:18,788 or a slideshow of people's pets. 1036 00:55:18,789 --> 00:55:20,080 Like, I've tried everything to get that changed. 1037 00:55:20,081 --> 00:55:21,496 It would probably be a good thing. 1038 00:55:21,497 --> 00:55:22,538 Unfortunately, it doesn't matter 1039 00:55:22,539 --> 00:55:23,538 which side you're watching, 1040 00:55:23,539 --> 00:55:24,913 they're all pretty bad. 1041 00:55:24,914 --> 00:55:26,664 Yeah. But... 1042 00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,205 uh, I think the pets may be the way to go. 1043 00:55:32,662 --> 00:55:34,412 The pets would have been great. 1044 00:55:35,247 --> 00:55:36,287 Uhm... 1045 00:55:37,203 --> 00:55:39,538 but just having that every day and then... 1046 00:55:45,412 --> 00:55:47,077 Where'd you mail it from? 1047 00:55:54,828 --> 00:55:56,701 Uh, mailbox 1048 00:55:56,702 --> 00:55:59,618 on, uh, Baston Road. 1049 00:55:59,619 --> 00:56:00,952 Okay. 1050 00:56:00,953 --> 00:56:03,158 It's, uh, it's, uh, the shopping center 1051 00:56:03,159 --> 00:56:07,032 with the bank and the Earth Fare gro-gro-grocery store. 1052 00:56:07,033 --> 00:56:08,574 Okay, I know where you're talking about. 1053 00:56:08,575 --> 00:56:10,450 At the intersection of Baston Road 1054 00:56:10,451 --> 00:56:11,907 and F-Fury's Ferry. 1055 00:56:11,908 --> 00:56:13,199 Fury's Ferry. Okay. Mm-hmm. 1056 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,366 I never could say that right. Fur-Fury's Ferry. 1057 00:56:16,367 --> 00:56:17,907 And it was just a mailbox sittin' out 1058 00:56:17,908 --> 00:56:19,616 in the middle of the parking lot? 1059 00:56:19,617 --> 00:56:21,366 Mm-hmm. Just a metal box, yeah. 1060 00:56:23,699 --> 00:56:25,449 Okay. Okay. 1061 00:56:33,657 --> 00:56:35,074 Do you remember what day it was? 1062 00:56:36,905 --> 00:56:39,823 What day of the week was the ninth? 1063 00:56:40,407 --> 00:56:42,238 Let's see. Um... 1064 00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:43,406 Uh, we'll check. 1065 00:56:44,739 --> 00:56:46,072 Need some water or something? 1066 00:56:46,073 --> 00:56:47,654 I'd like some water once we figure out 1067 00:56:47,655 --> 00:56:48,695 what day of the week it was. 1068 00:56:48,696 --> 00:56:49,655 Okay. Let's see. 1069 00:56:49,656 --> 00:56:51,612 I want to say it was, uh, 1070 00:56:51,613 --> 00:56:53,695 if I can figure out this crazy phone, 1071 00:56:53,696 --> 00:56:55,071 I want to say it was a Tuesday. 1072 00:56:55,072 --> 00:56:56,571 Tuesday? Yeah. 1073 00:56:57,362 --> 00:56:59,487 Is there something significant about the ninth 1074 00:56:59,488 --> 00:57:01,736 - in other ways? - No. Uh, it was, 1075 00:57:01,737 --> 00:57:03,902 it was just the first day I saw it, uh. 1076 00:57:03,903 --> 00:57:05,611 If it... if, if... 1077 00:57:05,612 --> 00:57:07,527 It might have been the 11th or the 12th 1078 00:57:07,528 --> 00:57:10,528 if, if I subbed yoga on the, 1079 00:57:10,529 --> 00:57:11,859 on the night of the 11th, 1080 00:57:11,860 --> 00:57:13,568 then, uh, the yoga studio is right there. 1081 00:57:13,569 --> 00:57:15,777 So it would have been a Thursday or Friday? 1082 00:57:15,778 --> 00:57:17,568 Thursday or Friday. Okay. 1083 00:57:18,610 --> 00:57:20,527 What yoga studio? 1084 00:57:20,528 --> 00:57:23,526 Uh, it's called Oh Yeah Yoga. 1085 00:57:23,527 --> 00:57:25,026 So, you said maybe 1086 00:57:25,027 --> 00:57:27,525 you mailed it Thursday or Friday? 1087 00:57:27,526 --> 00:57:29,692 Mm-hmm. Okay. 1088 00:57:29,693 --> 00:57:33,693 How did you know to, uh, mail it to... 1089 00:58:07,021 --> 00:58:09,272 So you wanted to be able to publish it? 1090 00:58:10,564 --> 00:58:11,562 Yeah. 1091 00:58:12,146 --> 00:58:13,688 Did you send it anywhere else? 1092 00:58:13,689 --> 00:58:15,231 No. No? 1093 00:58:15,939 --> 00:58:17,228 No other publications 1094 00:58:17,229 --> 00:58:19,187 you've shown it to or given it to? 1095 00:58:19,188 --> 00:58:21,020 No. 1096 00:58:21,021 --> 00:58:22,186 Is there gonna be anything here 1097 00:58:22,187 --> 00:58:23,687 that we're gonna be surprised to find? 1098 00:58:23,688 --> 00:58:25,436 No, I, I never took the document out of my car. 1099 00:58:25,437 --> 00:58:27,895 Is there anything on your phone or your computer? 1100 00:58:29,062 --> 00:58:31,019 On my, on my phone, you might, 1101 00:58:31,020 --> 00:58:32,476 I don't, I don't know if I deleted it, 1102 00:58:32,477 --> 00:58:34,185 but you guys are probably going to be able to see it anyway, 1103 00:58:34,186 --> 00:58:37,894 but there will be a screenshot of the address. 1104 00:58:41,811 --> 00:58:44,018 Okay. Okay. 1105 00:58:45,103 --> 00:58:47,017 Uh, you mentioned you wanted some water? 1106 00:58:48,060 --> 00:58:50,017 Yeah. 1107 00:58:50,018 --> 00:58:52,059 - Yeah. Why don't we, uh... - No, I'll make it. 1108 00:58:52,684 --> 00:58:55,268 Uh, I'm just gonna get somebody out here. 1109 00:58:58,267 --> 00:59:00,600 Hey, can I, can I have somebody in here, please? 1110 00:59:00,601 --> 00:59:02,766 Uh, do you want a bottle of water? 1111 00:59:03,808 --> 00:59:05,059 Um... 1112 00:59:06,766 --> 00:59:07,890 Do you have a filter in the fridge 1113 00:59:07,891 --> 00:59:09,391 or do you just want tap water or... 1114 00:59:09,392 --> 00:59:10,516 Ta-tap water. 1115 00:59:10,517 --> 00:59:13,348 There's, um, a, a mason jar glass 1116 00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:14,557 next to the sink. 1117 00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:17,514 Can I get one person to stand here, please, 1118 00:59:17,515 --> 00:59:19,224 so I can go to the kitchen? 1119 00:59:46,595 --> 00:59:48,219 You guys, uh, 1120 00:59:48,220 --> 00:59:49,929 you're not going to fit in there anymore. 1121 00:59:51,970 --> 00:59:53,529 She's not going to fit in there anymore. 1122 01:00:00,178 --> 01:00:01,593 She's still under the bed? 1123 01:00:01,594 --> 01:00:03,593 Huh? The cat. 1124 01:00:03,594 --> 01:00:05,761 Is the cat still under the bed? 1125 01:00:07,426 --> 01:00:08,844 She's a big girl. 1126 01:00:16,842 --> 01:00:18,508 Oh yeah, we-we're trying. 1127 01:00:18,509 --> 01:00:20,176 How old is she? 1128 01:00:23,842 --> 01:00:25,801 She's three years now. 1129 01:00:31,550 --> 01:00:32,840 But girl likes to eat. 1130 01:00:32,841 --> 01:00:34,174 Oh yeah. 1131 01:00:34,675 --> 01:00:36,007 She likes carbs. 1132 01:00:36,008 --> 01:00:38,047 She's got a little slim fit on her. 1133 01:00:38,048 --> 01:00:39,216 Mm-hmm. 1134 01:00:39,590 --> 01:00:41,381 She came out, I was like... 1135 01:00:41,382 --> 01:00:42,714 Whoa! 1136 01:00:44,340 --> 01:00:45,673 Yeah. 1137 01:00:45,674 --> 01:00:47,713 She'll snatch bread right out of my mouth. 1138 01:00:47,714 --> 01:00:48,839 Like... Wow. 1139 01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:50,840 Girl, you do not need those. 1140 01:01:15,212 --> 01:01:16,254 Water. 1141 01:01:22,627 --> 01:01:23,877 Thanks. 1142 01:01:29,710 --> 01:01:32,042 So other than the screenshot on the phone, 1143 01:01:32,043 --> 01:01:33,209 there shouldn't be anything else? 1144 01:01:33,210 --> 01:01:35,543 And there should be nothing on the laptop? 1145 01:01:35,544 --> 01:01:36,917 Nothing on the laptop. 1146 01:01:40,585 --> 01:01:42,208 I do have a Tor browser. 1147 01:01:47,125 --> 01:01:51,166 Which probably looks bad, but... 1148 01:01:52,582 --> 01:01:54,999 Okay. 1149 01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,873 What do you... use, what do you use the Tor browser for? 1150 01:02:26,247 --> 01:02:28,246 Have you had any contact with anyone from... 1151 01:02:38,412 --> 01:02:39,954 The Intercept? 1152 01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:42,952 Have you tried to reach out? 1153 01:02:42,953 --> 01:02:46,077 Like you said, I saw the article, 1154 01:02:46,078 --> 01:02:48,244 and I couldn't believe it wasn't a thing. 1155 01:02:49,203 --> 01:02:50,370 It made you mad. 1156 01:02:51,952 --> 01:02:53,910 It made me very mad. 1157 01:02:56,035 --> 01:02:59,701 That Russian interference helped him win the election. 1158 01:02:59,702 --> 01:03:01,158 Senior national correspondent... 1159 01:03:01,159 --> 01:03:02,992 "Russia/Cybersecurity: 1160 01:03:02,993 --> 01:03:05,909 "Main Intelligence Directorate Cyber Actors, 1161 01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:08,199 "redacted, Target U.S. Companies 1162 01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:09,908 "and Local U.S. Government Officials 1163 01:03:09,909 --> 01:03:12,824 "Using Voter Registration-Themed Emails, 1164 01:03:12,825 --> 01:03:15,825 "Spoof Election-Related Products and Services, 1165 01:03:15,826 --> 01:03:18,073 "Research Absentee Ballot Email Addresses; 1166 01:03:18,074 --> 01:03:19,615 August to November 2016." 1167 01:03:19,616 --> 01:03:21,490 If anybody could show me that the Russians 1168 01:03:21,491 --> 01:03:24,156 got into any voting machine anywhere in America and... 1169 01:03:24,157 --> 01:03:26,698 - They did... that... nobody... - That's how you hack an election, Bill. 1170 01:03:26,699 --> 01:03:29,156 No, no. That's one way you can hack an election. No one is... 1171 01:03:29,157 --> 01:03:32,822 "Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate actors 1172 01:03:32,823 --> 01:03:36,322 "redacted, executed cyber espionage operations 1173 01:03:36,323 --> 01:03:39,655 "against a named U.S. company in August 2016, 1174 01:03:39,656 --> 01:03:42,029 "evidently to obtain information 1175 01:03:42,030 --> 01:03:44,904 "on elections-related software and hardware solutions 1176 01:03:44,905 --> 01:03:47,654 "according to information that became available 1177 01:03:47,655 --> 01:03:48,946 in April 2017." 1178 01:03:48,947 --> 01:03:50,904 - What kind of attack... - You're jumping to conclusions. 1179 01:03:50,905 --> 01:03:52,278 No, there is no jump. 1180 01:03:52,279 --> 01:03:53,903 - I'm simply telling you... - Of course, you are. 1181 01:03:53,904 --> 01:03:55,945 There's not one shred of evidence 1182 01:03:55,946 --> 01:03:58,319 - tying Russians to a hacking... - Okay. 1183 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,070 "Given the content of the malicious email, 1184 01:04:00,071 --> 01:04:01,444 "it was likely that the threat actor 1185 01:04:01,445 --> 01:04:03,819 "was targeting officials involved in the management 1186 01:04:03,820 --> 01:04:06,069 "of voter registration systems. 1187 01:04:06,070 --> 01:04:07,818 "It is unknown whether the aforementioned 1188 01:04:07,819 --> 01:04:10,194 "spear-phishing deployment successfully compromised 1189 01:04:10,195 --> 01:04:12,651 "the intended victims, and what potential data 1190 01:04:12,652 --> 01:04:14,820 could have been accessed by the cyber actor." 1191 01:04:16,443 --> 01:04:18,068 It was right there. 1192 01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:23,442 And I just, I didn't care about myself at that point. 1193 01:04:24,569 --> 01:04:26,692 When did you realize the technical capabilities 1194 01:04:26,693 --> 01:04:28,149 of that article? 1195 01:04:28,150 --> 01:04:29,858 Sources and methods. 1196 01:04:29,859 --> 01:04:30,983 Sources and methods 1197 01:04:30,984 --> 01:04:33,192 are valuable to adversaries. 1198 01:04:34,651 --> 01:04:36,191 Yeah. 1199 01:04:36,192 --> 01:04:37,566 Okay. 1200 01:04:37,567 --> 01:04:38,899 With that in mind, 1201 01:04:38,900 --> 01:04:41,400 why did you make the decision to send it anyway? 1202 01:04:43,691 --> 01:04:46,148 Honestly, I just figured that whatever we were using 1203 01:04:46,149 --> 01:04:48,148 had already been compromised. 1204 01:04:49,732 --> 01:04:51,481 And that this report would just be like 1205 01:04:51,482 --> 01:04:52,940 one drop in a bucket. 1206 01:05:01,022 --> 01:05:02,814 Is there anything else you want to tell me? 1207 01:05:03,981 --> 01:05:05,189 Say? 1208 01:05:06,355 --> 01:05:07,522 Talk about why? 1209 01:05:17,312 --> 01:05:18,729 I was just... 1210 01:05:21,229 --> 01:05:25,020 I just thought that... that week 1211 01:05:26,353 --> 01:05:29,353 there was just too much to sit back and watch it and think, 1212 01:05:30,145 --> 01:05:33,477 why do I have this job if I'm going to be helpless? 1213 01:05:35,145 --> 01:05:36,186 It was just... 1214 01:05:38,185 --> 01:05:39,227 I'm sorry. 1215 01:05:41,810 --> 01:05:43,310 It was just the final straw. 1216 01:05:45,144 --> 01:05:47,226 Was there something that just 1217 01:05:48,601 --> 01:05:50,185 just... did it. 1218 01:05:51,726 --> 01:05:53,642 Because you don't seem the type to do this. 1219 01:05:54,309 --> 01:05:56,599 I-I-I'm not. I-I-I believe in it. I wanna believe in it. 1220 01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:57,975 I'm not. I... 1221 01:05:59,642 --> 01:06:02,474 I want to go out With our Special Forces. 1222 01:06:03,142 --> 01:06:05,349 I mean, that's why I got out of the Air Force. 1223 01:06:05,350 --> 01:06:06,307 I-I-I... 1224 01:06:06,308 --> 01:06:08,306 It's wh... It's why I'm here in Augusta. 1225 01:06:08,307 --> 01:06:09,974 I-I was trying to get my clearance back 1226 01:06:09,975 --> 01:06:11,640 so I could get deployments. 1227 01:06:11,641 --> 01:06:14,724 I... It just was at a time I wasn't applying for deployments. I... 1228 01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:18,848 I had seven, eight months left of a job 1229 01:06:18,849 --> 01:06:20,306 that didn't mean anything to me 1230 01:06:20,307 --> 01:06:22,721 because it's, it's Iran, and I'm a Pashto linguist. 1231 01:06:22,722 --> 01:06:25,097 Like, what am I doing translating Farsi? 1232 01:06:25,098 --> 01:06:26,389 I-I just... 1233 01:06:28,347 --> 01:06:29,680 I felt hopeless. 1234 01:06:29,681 --> 01:06:31,721 And seeing that information 1235 01:06:31,722 --> 01:06:33,846 be contested back and forth, 1236 01:06:33,847 --> 01:06:35,805 back and forth in the public domain 1237 01:06:35,806 --> 01:06:37,803 with everything else that just keeps getting released 1238 01:06:37,804 --> 01:06:39,804 and everything that keeps getting leaked, like, 1239 01:06:39,805 --> 01:06:42,469 why can't this get out there? 1240 01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:44,179 Why can't this be public? 1241 01:06:50,554 --> 01:06:52,845 Were you surprised to see us today? 1242 01:06:56,969 --> 01:06:58,678 Yeah. Actually, I thought 1243 01:06:59,261 --> 01:07:00,719 you were here to ask about the house 1244 01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:02,968 because it's still for lease online. 1245 01:07:02,969 --> 01:07:05,553 Because you didn't seem surprised when we pulled up. 1246 01:07:06,052 --> 01:07:09,468 Oh, God. That's just because I have a resting bitch face. 1247 01:07:10,219 --> 01:07:14,217 You guys turn around and, and "FBI." 1248 01:07:14,218 --> 01:07:16,800 I was like, what is going on, you know? 1249 01:07:17,384 --> 01:07:20,883 And then you showed your badge right up and, uh... 1250 01:07:24,008 --> 01:07:26,923 I submitted my security packet yesterday 1251 01:07:26,924 --> 01:07:28,298 for my clearance on E-QIP. 1252 01:07:28,299 --> 01:07:29,383 So I thought 1253 01:07:30,466 --> 01:07:31,964 that was what it's for. 1254 01:07:31,965 --> 01:07:33,798 I was like, why are you guys questioning me 1255 01:07:33,799 --> 01:07:34,881 for my own clearance? 1256 01:07:34,882 --> 01:07:36,507 But... Okay. 1257 01:07:38,465 --> 01:07:40,174 That's, that's not going to happen. 1258 01:07:41,340 --> 01:07:42,714 Uh... 1259 01:07:42,715 --> 01:07:44,215 Anything else you can think of? 1260 01:07:45,173 --> 01:07:47,296 What we have to do is we have to do the search. 1261 01:07:47,297 --> 01:07:48,547 Of course. 1262 01:07:48,548 --> 01:07:51,172 Uh, you said... 1263 01:07:52,964 --> 01:07:54,921 Sorry, I have a sinus infection, 1264 01:07:54,922 --> 01:07:56,213 - so I sound... - It's okay? 1265 01:07:57,213 --> 01:07:59,129 I sound awful. 1266 01:07:59,130 --> 01:08:00,888 Well, this is the best room to be in it with. 1267 01:08:02,129 --> 01:08:04,088 Do you remember the site from memory? 1268 01:08:05,380 --> 01:08:08,878 Uh, if you scroll down to the bottom, there's contact, 1269 01:08:08,879 --> 01:08:10,795 but it-it's not as obvious as you think 1270 01:08:10,796 --> 01:08:12,293 because it's closer. 1271 01:08:12,294 --> 01:08:13,169 Mm-hmm. 1272 01:08:13,170 --> 01:08:14,837 How long did it take you to find it? 1273 01:08:17,420 --> 01:08:20,253 About probably three minutes of scrolling, 1274 01:08:20,254 --> 01:08:23,419 which felt like an eternity sitting in my car. 1275 01:08:24,919 --> 01:08:26,293 Mm-hmm. Okay. 1276 01:08:26,294 --> 01:08:27,918 Yeah. Uh... 1277 01:08:28,669 --> 01:08:30,835 you said the documents stayed in your car. 1278 01:08:32,918 --> 01:08:35,835 Yeah. Where did you get the envelope? 1279 01:08:37,834 --> 01:08:40,334 The box of envelopes is... 1280 01:08:41,958 --> 01:08:44,624 it's on the back seat in the car 1281 01:08:44,625 --> 01:08:46,500 behind the driver's seat. I... 1282 01:08:47,333 --> 01:08:50,666 I had a bunch of forms I had to mail out last December, 1283 01:08:50,667 --> 01:08:52,498 so it's been in my car since December. 1284 01:08:52,499 --> 01:08:54,499 Okay. 1285 01:08:54,500 --> 01:08:55,833 And the stamps? 1286 01:08:56,499 --> 01:08:57,832 Stamps. 1287 01:08:58,957 --> 01:09:01,705 I think I have about one or two left in there, 1288 01:09:01,706 --> 01:09:03,914 uh, but I-I keep stamps in the glove box 1289 01:09:03,915 --> 01:09:06,205 in case I have to mail anything out, 1290 01:09:06,206 --> 01:09:07,788 like bills and stuff. 1291 01:09:07,789 --> 01:09:10,289 Okay. In, in your glove box? 1292 01:09:10,290 --> 01:09:11,415 In the glove box, yeah. 1293 01:09:12,163 --> 01:09:14,913 Alright. Uh, I'm trying to think if I have anything else. 1294 01:09:14,914 --> 01:09:18,122 Uh, the search, the, the guys will continue the search. 1295 01:09:18,664 --> 01:09:20,663 Search the vehicle and the house, 1296 01:09:20,664 --> 01:09:22,997 and they'll photograph everything. 1297 01:09:23,454 --> 01:09:25,912 Um, you, uh, the search team leader, 1298 01:09:25,913 --> 01:09:28,288 uh, is gonna sit down with you and go through things... 1299 01:09:34,787 --> 01:09:36,620 My passport... 1300 01:09:40,037 --> 01:09:42,411 Do you have, uh, any questions for me? 1301 01:09:43,661 --> 01:09:45,161 So many, um. 1302 01:09:47,535 --> 01:09:49,911 This sounds really bad. 1303 01:09:51,868 --> 01:09:53,702 Am I going to jail tonight? 1304 01:09:56,368 --> 01:09:58,701 I don't know how to answer that yet. 1305 01:09:58,702 --> 01:10:00,200 Okay. What was the question? 1306 01:10:00,201 --> 01:10:02,783 - Uh, if she's going to jail tonight. - Oh. 1307 01:10:02,784 --> 01:10:04,826 Said I don't have the answer to that quite yet. 1308 01:10:06,992 --> 01:10:09,325 Of course, the, the search is still going on, uh. 1309 01:10:09,993 --> 01:10:11,325 In the case that... 1310 01:10:12,575 --> 01:10:14,615 I don't have memorized... 1311 01:10:14,616 --> 01:10:16,906 The woman, her name is Cathy. 1312 01:10:16,907 --> 01:10:19,407 She works at the Augusta Humane Society. 1313 01:10:19,408 --> 01:10:22,281 Okay. She can come and pick up the dog in the case that 1314 01:10:22,282 --> 01:10:23,281 I-I-I-I'm not here tonight. 1315 01:10:23,282 --> 01:10:26,322 Well, let's don't... Okay. 1316 01:10:26,323 --> 01:10:27,613 It's just... 1317 01:10:27,614 --> 01:10:28,698 Let's don't put the cart 1318 01:10:28,699 --> 01:10:30,158 before the horse right now. 1319 01:10:30,657 --> 01:10:32,280 Okay. 1320 01:10:32,281 --> 01:10:34,239 Okay? 1321 01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:35,781 That's just, um... I understand. 1322 01:10:35,782 --> 01:10:37,238 My only concern is getting her 1323 01:10:37,239 --> 01:10:39,780 and then maybe one more phone call to get the cat covered. 1324 01:10:39,781 --> 01:10:41,280 We'll, we'll figure that out. 1325 01:10:41,281 --> 01:10:43,363 If, if it comes to that, 1326 01:10:43,864 --> 01:10:45,613 we'll, we'll figure that out. 1327 01:10:45,614 --> 01:10:47,945 And I don't have the answer to that yet. And I'm going to... 1328 01:10:47,946 --> 01:10:50,279 We'll, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Okay? 1329 01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:51,653 Okay. 1330 01:10:51,654 --> 01:10:54,113 Uh, what else? 1331 01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:46,897 You turn it off? 1332 01:11:46,898 --> 01:11:48,274 It's still recording. 1333 01:12:07,438 --> 01:12:08,771 Copy. 1334 01:12:18,687 --> 01:12:20,271 Would you like to sit down somewhere? 1335 01:12:20,812 --> 01:12:22,770 - I'm fine. - You're fine? 1336 01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:24,312 Yeah. 1337 01:12:46,601 --> 01:12:47,851 Reality. 1338 01:13:47,428 --> 01:13:50,052 Automated voice: Hello. This is a prepaid collect call 1339 01:13:50,053 --> 01:13:51,926 from an inmate at Lincoln County Jail 1340 01:13:51,927 --> 01:13:53,427 in Lincolnton, Georgia. 1341 01:13:53,428 --> 01:13:56,135 This call is subject to recording and monitoring. 1342 01:13:56,136 --> 01:13:58,343 To accept charges, press one. 1343 01:13:58,344 --> 01:14:00,093 As soon as Mom and Gary get to Georgia, 1344 01:14:00,094 --> 01:14:01,426 they're going to pick up Mina at least, 1345 01:14:01,427 --> 01:14:04,342 and Mickey will stay back with the shelter, 1346 01:14:04,343 --> 01:14:06,468 but they're safe in the house. 1347 01:14:07,342 --> 01:14:10,218 Everyone was really worried about them when they searched my house. 1348 01:14:11,343 --> 01:14:12,967 Bunch of dog people. 1349 01:14:13,843 --> 01:14:15,593 Yeah. I mean, that was the one thing, like, 1350 01:14:15,594 --> 01:14:17,257 when the FBI was interrogating me, 1351 01:14:17,258 --> 01:14:18,632 they were just like, 1352 01:14:18,633 --> 01:14:20,467 look, we have everything. We're just... 1353 01:14:20,967 --> 01:14:22,425 we just want to know why. 1354 01:14:23,383 --> 01:14:24,717 You know what I mean? 1355 01:14:25,924 --> 01:14:27,381 They didn't care about anything else. 1356 01:14:27,382 --> 01:14:29,716 They were just straight-up curious to know why. 1357 01:14:29,717 --> 01:14:31,881 They say Reality Winner has two faces. 1358 01:14:31,882 --> 01:14:33,673 One an Air Force veteran, 1359 01:14:33,674 --> 01:14:35,424 a loving daughter, and a yoga instructor. 1360 01:14:35,425 --> 01:14:38,131 The other, a person who had taken a keen interest 1361 01:14:38,132 --> 01:14:40,464 in the Middle East with suspicious motives. 1362 01:14:40,465 --> 01:14:42,338 When asked by the FBI, 1363 01:14:42,339 --> 01:14:45,590 Winner stated that she knew the intelligence report 1364 01:14:45,591 --> 01:14:49,298 revealed sources and methods 1365 01:14:49,715 --> 01:14:52,462 used by the U.S. intelligence agencies, 1366 01:14:52,463 --> 01:14:56,045 and she knew that compromising those sources and methods 1367 01:14:56,046 --> 01:14:58,753 could be valuable to our adversaries 1368 01:14:58,754 --> 01:15:00,921 and damage the United States. 1369 01:15:01,421 --> 01:15:04,337 She claimed to hate America. 1370 01:15:05,046 --> 01:15:09,587 When asked, "You don't really hate America, right?" 1371 01:15:09,588 --> 01:15:12,544 She responded, "I mean, yeah, I do. 1372 01:15:12,545 --> 01:15:16,878 It's literally the worst thing to happen on the planet." 1373 01:15:17,919 --> 01:15:20,586 She was the quintessential example 1374 01:15:20,587 --> 01:15:22,335 of an insider threat. 1375 01:15:22,669 --> 01:15:25,169 Obviously an intemperate political activist, 1376 01:15:25,170 --> 01:15:27,417 how did she get a security clearance? 1377 01:15:27,418 --> 01:15:29,001 We could ask the same question 1378 01:15:29,002 --> 01:15:32,375 about a lot of people working in government right now... 1379 01:15:32,376 --> 01:15:34,625 I keep telling myself to act more like I think 1380 01:15:34,626 --> 01:15:36,209 I did something wrong. 1381 01:15:37,041 --> 01:15:38,875 We are more concerned with the leaks 1382 01:15:38,876 --> 01:15:41,499 than we are with the fact that the Russians 1383 01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:43,124 attacked our democracy 1384 01:15:43,125 --> 01:15:44,749 and that the President's campaign 1385 01:15:44,750 --> 01:15:45,915 may have participated in it. 1386 01:15:45,916 --> 01:15:47,623 They didn't attack our democracy. 1387 01:15:47,624 --> 01:15:49,040 - They did. - That's a meaningful... 1388 01:15:49,041 --> 01:15:50,541 If you look at this, this is sort of like 1389 01:15:50,542 --> 01:15:53,832 The Intercept knowingly or unknowingly 1390 01:15:53,833 --> 01:15:55,998 outed their own source. 1391 01:15:55,999 --> 01:15:57,497 I mean, it made no sense. 1392 01:15:57,498 --> 01:15:59,415 It's like, is it that, are you that... 1393 01:15:59,416 --> 01:16:01,913 Sloppy? Irresponsible? What is it? 1394 01:16:01,914 --> 01:16:02,789 Both. 1395 01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:04,039 As a journalist, we count on people 1396 01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,456 to leak us information that's vital 1397 01:16:06,457 --> 01:16:08,080 for our democracy to function. 1398 01:16:08,081 --> 01:16:09,913 Knowing what happened with the Russian hack 1399 01:16:09,914 --> 01:16:11,954 was a very important thing. 1400 01:16:11,955 --> 01:16:15,372 Now, she did violate the rules of her employment. 1401 01:16:15,373 --> 01:16:18,288 But this penalty that she's gotten, five years, 1402 01:16:18,289 --> 01:16:21,412 is exceedingly long, one of the longest penalties. 1403 01:16:21,413 --> 01:16:23,662 And it's obviously there to create 1404 01:16:23,663 --> 01:16:26,078 a, you know, a chilling effect. 1405 01:16:26,079 --> 01:16:28,411 Right? So that other people don't do this 1406 01:16:28,412 --> 01:16:30,036 and k... we stay in the dark. 1407 01:16:30,037 --> 01:16:32,411 Automated voice: You have one minute remaining on your call. 1408 01:16:32,412 --> 01:16:33,578 You have one minute left. 1409 01:16:33,579 --> 01:16:34,744 If you could just get 1410 01:16:34,745 --> 01:16:35,785 that message to Lane. 1411 01:16:35,786 --> 01:16:37,119 Yeah, I will. 1412 01:16:37,619 --> 01:16:39,703 Alright. I really appreciate it. 1413 01:16:39,704 --> 01:16:40,785 Yeah, of course. I'm just worried that... 1414 01:16:40,786 --> 01:16:41,951 Oh, and one more name. 1415 01:16:41,952 --> 01:16:44,452 Don Z. Last name starts with a Z. 1416 01:16:44,453 --> 01:16:47,034 Okay. Tell him I'm probably not gonna 1417 01:16:47,410 --> 01:16:49,703 talk to him again, but, um, 1418 01:16:50,244 --> 01:16:52,992 I'm doin' pushups like crazy and I'm going to miss him. 1419 01:16:52,993 --> 01:16:54,576 Just let him know that... 1420 01:16:54,577 --> 01:16:56,743 Obviously been recording. 1421 01:16:57,576 --> 01:16:58,951 I'm going to... 1422 01:17:00,034 --> 01:17:02,032 What's up? Going to end the recording. 1423 01:17:02,033 --> 01:17:03,408 I think so. 1424 01:17:03,409 --> 01:17:04,575 I think so. 1425 01:17:04,576 --> 01:17:07,532 So this is at, uh, five, 1426 01:17:07,533 --> 01:17:10,117 let's call it 5:17 p.m., 1427 01:17:10,700 --> 01:17:13,825 ceasing recording on June third.