1 00:01:09,091 --> 00:01:11,498 Jump. 2 00:01:37,691 --> 00:01:38,987 Hey. 3 00:01:41,024 --> 00:01:44,190 And cut! Back to one. 4 00:01:49,571 --> 00:01:51,637 I'm still not entirely sure how to. - 5 00:01:51,672 --> 00:01:54,805 You'll wake up very sore tomorrow, I would say. Yeah. 6 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,973 The volume's on. You'll be able to hear everything. 7 00:01:58,008 --> 00:01:59,777 Um, so it's just gonna be this one here. 8 00:01:59,812 --> 00:02:01,449 Oh, yes, maybe you were a bit down. 9 00:02:01,484 --> 00:02:03,220 But if you turn that up there, then you'll be able to hear. 10 00:02:03,244 --> 00:02:05,189 And then all you have to do is, like, press in to speak. 11 00:02:05,213 --> 00:02:07,389 You'll get the hang of it. It's pretty easy. 12 00:03:16,724 --> 00:03:18,955 I really want to. 13 00:03:20,662 --> 00:03:22,156 But, you know... 14 00:03:22,191 --> 00:03:24,631 You're scared. 15 00:03:24,666 --> 00:03:26,864 Anyone would be. 16 00:03:28,032 --> 00:03:32,265 Do you really think speaking out might stop him? 17 00:03:32,300 --> 00:03:37,908 I think it's really important for voters to have this information as they determine 18 00:03:37,943 --> 00:03:40,515 whether he's fit to be president. 19 00:03:40,550 --> 00:03:43,650 What if he decides to sue? 20 00:03:43,685 --> 00:03:46,719 Would The New York Times be willing to help me? 21 00:03:46,754 --> 00:03:50,822 News organizations can't provide legal support. 22 00:03:50,857 --> 00:03:53,055 You'd be on your own. 23 00:04:26,827 --> 00:04:28,464 Hi, Rachel? 24 00:04:28,499 --> 00:04:31,390 And you're definitely going to write about Jessica Leeds? 25 00:04:31,425 --> 00:04:35,570 Jessica is absolutely on board, a hundred percent. 26 00:04:36,430 --> 00:04:37,737 Okay. 27 00:04:38,542 --> 00:04:40,102 I'll do it. 28 00:04:40,137 --> 00:04:43,578 I'll go on the record and say what he did to me. 29 00:04:43,613 --> 00:04:46,647 You will? That's great, Rachel. 30 00:04:47,441 --> 00:04:48,946 Thank you. 31 00:04:53,788 --> 00:04:59,418 In New Hampshire, asking voters there to reelect, uh, the, uh, Republican senator 32 00:04:59,453 --> 00:05:00,826 as a check and balance. 33 00:05:12,268 --> 00:05:13,938 Violet, uh, no. 34 00:05:13,973 --> 00:05:16,006 Baby, Mommy's got to go to work. Mommy, Mommy. 35 00:05:16,041 --> 00:05:17,975 You're gonna stay with Daddy, okay? 36 00:05:18,010 --> 00:05:20,681 Violet, Violet, Mom's gonna go to work. 37 00:05:20,716 --> 00:05:22,815 Come on. Let's go see your animals. 38 00:05:22,850 --> 00:05:24,850 - Come on. - Talia, you're my hero. 39 00:05:24,885 --> 00:05:27,116 Want to show me your elephant? 40 00:05:30,858 --> 00:05:34,128 Well, I know that it's an amuse-bouche, but, I mean, that's quite 41 00:05:34,158 --> 00:05:36,257 an unorthodox approach. Isn't that right? 42 00:05:36,292 --> 00:05:38,325 It's really simple. Um, I always put... 43 00:05:41,330 --> 00:05:44,507 We didn't find any evidence of evil intent. 44 00:05:44,542 --> 00:05:45,822 You can't obstruct justice there. 45 00:05:47,468 --> 00:05:49,138 Morning, Jodi. 46 00:05:54,816 --> 00:05:58,345 But, you know, we know where minorities are. 47 00:05:58,380 --> 00:06:00,215 They might not be as enthusiastic as they were 48 00:06:00,250 --> 00:06:02,657 four years ago, but we know where they are. 49 00:06:02,692 --> 00:06:04,120 We know where young people are. 50 00:06:04,155 --> 00:06:07,057 We know, uh, where, uh, uh, single people are. 51 00:06:07,862 --> 00:06:09,455 Were you sick again? 52 00:06:09,490 --> 00:06:10,896 Yeah. 53 00:06:10,931 --> 00:06:12,898 It's meant to stop after the first trimester. 54 00:06:12,933 --> 00:06:14,669 You should probably get some sleep. 55 00:06:14,704 --> 00:06:16,033 Mm. 56 00:06:17,003 --> 00:06:18,200 Mm. 57 00:06:18,235 --> 00:06:20,576 I will, as soon as I get a response. 58 00:06:20,611 --> 00:06:21,907 From Trump's people? 59 00:06:21,942 --> 00:06:23,876 What happens if they don't respond? 60 00:06:23,911 --> 00:06:27,440 They will, but we can't publish until they do. 61 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,287 Hello? 62 00:06:39,322 --> 00:06:41,630 Is this Megan Twohey? 63 00:06:41,665 --> 00:06:44,028 Yes, Mr. Trump. 64 00:06:45,834 --> 00:06:48,703 I do not know these women. They are lying. 65 00:06:48,738 --> 00:06:52,267 And if I did something to them, why didn't they go to the police? 66 00:06:52,302 --> 00:06:54,368 Jessica Leeds and Rachel Crooks didn't ever say 67 00:06:54,403 --> 00:06:56,513 that they knew you, just that they were chance encounters. 68 00:06:56,537 --> 00:06:58,878 The New York Times has concocted these stories, 69 00:06:58,913 --> 00:07:01,144 and if you publish them, I will sue. 70 00:07:01,179 --> 00:07:03,718 What about the leaked Access Hollywood tape? 71 00:07:03,753 --> 00:07:05,181 Do you do those things? 72 00:07:05,216 --> 00:07:07,315 I don't do it. 73 00:07:07,350 --> 00:07:10,252 I don't do it. It was locker-room talk. 74 00:07:10,287 --> 00:07:13,321 And, Mr. Trump, Miss Utah, she claimed you forcibly kissed her 75 00:07:13,356 --> 00:07:15,862 more than once when you owned the Miss America pageant. 76 00:07:15,897 --> 00:07:18,634 She's lying. You are disgusting. 77 00:07:18,669 --> 00:07:21,164 You are a disgusting human being. 78 00:07:26,039 --> 00:07:28,303 Several women speaking out, 79 00:07:28,338 --> 00:07:31,977 accusing Donald Trump of touching them inappropriately. 80 00:07:32,012 --> 00:07:36,113 Jessica Leeds and Rachel Crooks telling The New York Times they were both 81 00:07:36,148 --> 00:07:38,687 groped or kissed by Trump without consent. 82 00:07:40,185 --> 00:07:41,701 For a company located in Trump Tower, 83 00:07:41,725 --> 00:07:45,023 claims the billionaire kissed her on the cheeks and the mouth. 84 00:07:45,993 --> 00:07:48,928 Oh, my God. 85 00:07:50,701 --> 00:07:52,393 Fuck. Rachel, I'm so sorry. 86 00:07:52,428 --> 00:07:55,770 I went on the record, you published, and this is what happened. 87 00:07:55,805 --> 00:07:58,432 Yeah, I'm so sorry. 88 00:07:58,467 --> 00:08:01,369 I was prepared, you know? But not for this. 89 00:08:01,404 --> 00:08:02,975 An envelope full of shit? 90 00:08:03,010 --> 00:08:05,043 Was there anything written on it? 91 00:08:05,078 --> 00:08:06,605 No. What can I do? 92 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,486 - Oh, yeah, fuck. - I can't even leave the house. 93 00:08:08,510 --> 00:08:11,379 Well, you-you need to write everything down. 94 00:08:11,414 --> 00:08:14,085 Tape any conversations or voice mails. 95 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,758 You need to document any threats that you get... 96 00:08:16,793 --> 00:08:18,694 - Megan Twohey? - Yeah. That's us. 97 00:08:18,729 --> 00:08:21,521 I can't even imagine... Shit. Rachel, I'm sorry. 98 00:08:21,556 --> 00:08:24,931 I have to go. I'll call you back, I promise. 99 00:08:27,837 --> 00:08:29,331 Rachel? 100 00:08:29,366 --> 00:08:31,806 I'm calling from Bill O'Reilly at Fox News. 101 00:08:31,841 --> 00:08:33,467 Are you a feminist? 102 00:08:36,505 --> 00:08:39,715 Are you fucking kidding me? 103 00:08:39,750 --> 00:08:41,211 I'm sorry. Hi. Hi. 104 00:08:41,246 --> 00:08:44,445 The final push till Election Day. 105 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,062 And as Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump... 106 00:08:46,086 --> 00:08:49,285 Oh. Bill O'Reilly's talking about you. 107 00:08:53,896 --> 00:08:56,864 The Factor asked Miss Twohey to appear this evening. 108 00:08:56,899 --> 00:08:58,096 She declined, no surprise. 109 00:08:58,131 --> 00:08:59,427 This is a tough forum. 110 00:08:59,462 --> 00:09:02,870 She and Mr. Barbaro did appear on other cable outlets 111 00:09:02,905 --> 00:09:05,136 friendly to liberal points of view. 112 00:09:05,171 --> 00:09:08,172 We asked Miss Twohey if she herself is a feminist, 113 00:09:08,207 --> 00:09:12,946 both on the phone and in writing. - She declined to answer in both cases. 114 00:09:12,981 --> 00:09:14,541 I'm gonna go get some noodles. 115 00:09:14,576 --> 00:09:16,488 But here's what she said about the article yesterday. 116 00:09:16,512 --> 00:09:21,515 You know, our story is the experience of many women, going back over the years. 117 00:09:35,300 --> 00:09:36,662 Hello? 118 00:09:36,697 --> 00:09:40,842 I am going to rape you and murder you 119 00:09:40,877 --> 00:09:43,878 and dump your body in the Hudson River. 120 00:09:49,512 --> 00:09:52,887 This night is turning out to be a real nail-biter. 121 00:09:52,922 --> 00:09:58,684 CNN can report that Hillary Clinton has called Donald Trump to concede the race. 122 00:09:58,719 --> 00:10:00,488 The winner of the presidential race. 123 00:10:00,523 --> 00:10:03,898 CNN projects Donald Trump wins the presidency. 124 00:10:11,765 --> 00:10:13,468 Breaking news on Bill O'Reilly. 125 00:10:13,503 --> 00:10:15,107 Let's go to Julia Boorstin. Julia. 126 00:10:15,142 --> 00:10:16,603 That's right. 127 00:10:16,638 --> 00:10:18,572 Fox has just announced that Bill O'Reilly is out, 128 00:10:18,607 --> 00:10:20,387 saying, quote, "After a thorough and careful review 129 00:10:20,411 --> 00:10:22,543 "of the allegations, the company and Bill O'Reilly 130 00:10:22,578 --> 00:10:26,646 "have agreed that Bill O'Reilly will not be returning to the Fox News Channel." 131 00:10:26,681 --> 00:10:30,419 Of course, this follows the boycott of over 50 advertisers 132 00:10:30,454 --> 00:10:33,829 of The O'Reilly Factor after a New York Times report 133 00:10:33,864 --> 00:10:39,032 of sexual harassment allegations and the report that Fox and O'Reilly together 134 00:10:39,067 --> 00:10:44,400 spent about $13 million to settle those allegations from five different women. 135 00:10:44,435 --> 00:10:46,633 - So, the story... - Job well done, Emily. 136 00:10:46,668 --> 00:10:47,909 Thanks, Dean. 137 00:10:47,944 --> 00:10:49,570 And you, Mike. Excellent reporting. 138 00:10:49,605 --> 00:10:51,572 Not be returning to his top-rated cable show. 139 00:10:51,607 --> 00:10:54,641 Are we talking solely corporate misuse of power? 140 00:10:54,676 --> 00:10:59,250 No, we're talking all workplaces where sexual harassment might happen. 141 00:10:59,285 --> 00:11:00,680 Also, let's look for the enablers. 142 00:11:00,715 --> 00:11:03,958 Fox kept O'Reilly on for quite some time after our story broke. 143 00:11:03,993 --> 00:11:05,289 And for decades before that. 144 00:11:05,324 --> 00:11:08,259 The network only ousted him when the advertisers jumped ship. 145 00:11:08,294 --> 00:11:10,591 Let's interrogate the whole system. 146 00:11:10,626 --> 00:11:15,497 Why is sexual harassment so pervasive and so hard to address? 147 00:11:17,435 --> 00:11:19,270 Hey, do you guys have a minute? 148 00:11:19,305 --> 00:11:21,173 Sure. 149 00:11:22,770 --> 00:11:28,246 So, I spoke to Shaunna Thomas, the head of UltraViolet, a feminist group. 150 00:11:28,281 --> 00:11:30,710 She said the wrongdoing in Hollywood is overwhelming. 151 00:11:30,745 --> 00:11:33,680 She's in touch with an actress, Rose McGowan, 152 00:11:33,715 --> 00:11:36,518 who has tweeted about being raped by a producer. 153 00:11:36,553 --> 00:11:41,325 Thomas says it's Harvey Weinstein and that McGowan is now working on a book about it. 154 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,690 Wasn't he charged with something couple years ago? 155 00:11:43,725 --> 00:11:45,626 Yeah, um... 156 00:11:45,661 --> 00:11:48,662 Ambra Battilana Gutierrez, an Italian model. 157 00:11:48,697 --> 00:11:51,665 She claimed Weinstein groped her in a business meeting. 158 00:11:51,700 --> 00:11:54,976 The NYPD investigated it, but he was never charged. 159 00:11:55,011 --> 00:11:56,505 Talk to Rose McGowan. 160 00:11:56,540 --> 00:11:58,705 Try to talk to other actresses he's worked with. 161 00:11:58,740 --> 00:12:02,214 Yeah. And I'll try to reach ex-employees. 162 00:12:04,482 --> 00:12:06,955 Hi. My name is Jodi Kantor. 163 00:12:06,990 --> 00:12:08,902 I'm an investigative reporter for The New York Times. 164 00:12:08,926 --> 00:12:10,761 We're looking into sexual harassment in the workplace. 165 00:12:10,785 --> 00:12:13,357 I believe you were an employee at Miramax 166 00:12:13,392 --> 00:12:15,722 and worked for Harvey Weinstein in the '90s. 167 00:12:15,757 --> 00:12:17,691 Are you recording this? 168 00:12:17,726 --> 00:12:21,761 No, absolutely not, and I won't quote from this conversation without your permission. 169 00:12:21,796 --> 00:12:23,741 But in your time as an assistant, were you aware of 170 00:12:23,765 --> 00:12:25,732 any instances in which Harvey Weinstein 171 00:12:25,767 --> 00:12:29,307 treated women inappropriately or crossed a line? 172 00:12:29,342 --> 00:12:32,508 Did Harvey cross a line? 173 00:12:34,743 --> 00:12:36,809 Would you like to hear her heartbeat? 174 00:12:36,844 --> 00:12:39,119 - Yeah. - Mm-hmm. 175 00:12:42,586 --> 00:12:45,554 Mary, thanks so much for calling me back. 176 00:12:45,589 --> 00:12:47,457 Who have you talked to? 177 00:12:47,492 --> 00:12:50,658 I can't tell you names, just as I would never divulge yours, 178 00:12:50,693 --> 00:12:55,069 but if you wanted to share anything that you know, that would be so helpful. 179 00:12:55,104 --> 00:12:58,072 I don't think people will want to talk. 180 00:12:58,107 --> 00:12:59,205 Sorry. 181 00:13:08,546 --> 00:13:11,580 Ms. Godrèche, thank you so much for responding. 182 00:13:11,615 --> 00:13:15,661 Before you continue, I've talked about Weinstein in the past, but it's private. 183 00:13:15,685 --> 00:13:18,818 My immigration lawyer does not want me to be involved. 184 00:13:21,889 --> 00:13:23,625 Involved in what? 185 00:13:27,169 --> 00:13:30,434 - Hello? - Oh, hi, Rose. 186 00:13:30,469 --> 00:13:33,437 Um, this is Jodi Kantor from The New York Times. 187 00:13:33,472 --> 00:13:35,472 I wrote you an email. 188 00:13:35,507 --> 00:13:37,771 Shaunna Thomas suggested you might be willing to have 189 00:13:37,806 --> 00:13:42,380 a conversation with me about Hollywood, and specifically Harvey Weinstein. 190 00:13:42,415 --> 00:13:44,745 - Are you writing about him? - Yes, I am. 191 00:13:44,780 --> 00:13:48,320 Look, I don't feel that inclined to talk to you about it. 192 00:13:48,355 --> 00:13:49,585 Could I ask why not? 193 00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:53,424 I've been treated quite shabbily by your paper numerous times, 194 00:13:53,459 --> 00:13:58,132 and I believe the root of it is sexism. 195 00:13:58,167 --> 00:13:59,694 I'm sorry that was your experience. 196 00:13:59,729 --> 00:14:03,302 I've talked in the past, and nothing happened. 197 00:14:03,337 --> 00:14:04,930 I spoke at a political meeting recently, 198 00:14:04,965 --> 00:14:09,176 and The New York Times put it in the Style section. 199 00:14:09,211 --> 00:14:13,246 It does damage to shout, and no one listens. 200 00:14:13,281 --> 00:14:16,546 I'm investigating systemic sexism in Hollywood. 201 00:14:16,581 --> 00:14:18,614 How many pages have you got? 202 00:14:18,649 --> 00:14:19,912 No. 203 00:14:19,947 --> 00:14:23,619 I put myself on the line before, and it made no difference. 204 00:14:23,654 --> 00:14:26,754 I've written about the workplace at Amazon, Starbucks 205 00:14:26,789 --> 00:14:30,857 and Harvard Business School, and change did happen. 206 00:14:30,892 --> 00:14:34,762 They reformed their policies as a direct result of the Times articles. 207 00:14:34,797 --> 00:14:37,270 But if you don't want to talk, I understand. 208 00:14:37,305 --> 00:14:39,470 And good luck with your book. 209 00:14:39,505 --> 00:14:42,209 Thank you. Goodbye. 210 00:14:44,279 --> 00:14:46,939 I spoke to Dad. 211 00:14:46,974 --> 00:14:48,776 He sounded worse. 212 00:14:50,417 --> 00:14:52,945 I got to go see him soon. 213 00:14:52,980 --> 00:14:54,287 Could you go for a long weekend? 214 00:14:54,322 --> 00:14:56,520 You could take the girls. 215 00:14:56,555 --> 00:14:59,193 I could take Talia but not both of them. 216 00:15:04,926 --> 00:15:06,728 I'm having an affair. 217 00:15:08,138 --> 00:15:10,798 With a very famous actress. 218 00:15:11,801 --> 00:15:13,537 You want her number? 219 00:15:19,314 --> 00:15:22,414 She's so hot. 220 00:15:22,449 --> 00:15:24,383 This looks beautiful. 221 00:15:24,418 --> 00:15:27,353 You'd really like her. 222 00:15:27,388 --> 00:15:31,819 "I am a nasty woman. 223 00:15:34,263 --> 00:15:39,728 "I'm not as nasty as using little girls like Pokémon before their bodies..." 224 00:15:39,763 --> 00:15:42,302 - Is that Ashley Judd? - Yeah. 225 00:15:43,338 --> 00:15:46,999 She wrote about being sexually harassed by a producer in the '90s. 226 00:15:47,034 --> 00:15:50,871 She doesn't name him, but she describes him as 227 00:15:50,906 --> 00:15:54,776 "one of our industry's most famous admired/reviled bosses." 228 00:15:54,811 --> 00:15:56,283 Mm. 229 00:15:56,318 --> 00:16:01,849 "Sexual assault, transphobia, "white supremacy, misogyny, 230 00:16:01,884 --> 00:16:04,225 ignorance, white privilege." 231 00:16:04,260 --> 00:16:06,227 - I'll go. - I'll get her. 232 00:16:06,262 --> 00:16:09,428 Mom! 233 00:16:09,463 --> 00:16:11,694 - We'll both go. - Yeah. 234 00:16:12,862 --> 00:16:15,302 I don't know if I can do this. 235 00:16:17,999 --> 00:16:19,735 You need to rest. 236 00:16:20,507 --> 00:16:23,508 You try to sleep, maybe? 237 00:16:24,313 --> 00:16:26,775 I don't want to be... 238 00:16:28,075 --> 00:16:30,713 I just have this constant sense of dread. 239 00:16:32,046 --> 00:16:33,980 You're tired. 240 00:16:34,015 --> 00:16:36,081 Your body's exhausted. 241 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,789 I think I would know if it was just that. 242 00:16:46,060 --> 00:16:47,961 Mom. 243 00:16:56,103 --> 00:16:57,311 Hello? 244 00:16:57,346 --> 00:16:59,137 It's Rose. 245 00:16:59,172 --> 00:17:01,678 - McGowan. - Rose, hi. 246 00:17:01,713 --> 00:17:04,450 It's not just him you should be after. 247 00:17:04,485 --> 00:17:07,519 There's an entire machine, a supply chain. 248 00:17:07,554 --> 00:17:10,049 Of abusers in Hollywood? 249 00:17:10,084 --> 00:17:11,116 Right. 250 00:17:11,151 --> 00:17:16,429 They're worldwide, wherever movies are being made or sold. 251 00:17:16,464 --> 00:17:19,267 Each studio does the victim-shaming and payouts. 252 00:17:19,302 --> 00:17:23,535 If white men could have a playground, this would be it. 253 00:17:25,572 --> 00:17:27,935 Do people know about it? 254 00:17:27,970 --> 00:17:29,607 Of course. 255 00:17:29,642 --> 00:17:33,171 I told a lot of people what happened to me. 256 00:17:33,206 --> 00:17:35,448 At the Sundance Film Festival? 257 00:17:35,483 --> 00:17:39,650 I was 23. I was doing all these brilliant independent films. 258 00:17:39,685 --> 00:17:42,081 I was just incredibly hopeful. 259 00:17:43,425 --> 00:17:45,117 And then I went to that hotel room. Hi. 260 00:17:48,122 --> 00:17:49,858 Talia? 261 00:17:49,893 --> 00:17:51,365 I'm here. 262 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:56,370 He was on a sofa, talking loudly on his phone. 263 00:17:56,405 --> 00:17:57,734 I waited. 264 00:17:57,769 --> 00:17:59,835 And then we talked about projects, 265 00:17:59,870 --> 00:18:05,775 and he suddenly said, "I have a Jacuzzi in my room." 266 00:18:05,810 --> 00:18:11,011 I didn't know what the answer to that was, so I just kept talking. 267 00:18:12,553 --> 00:18:15,114 We wrapped up, and he said he'd walk me out, 268 00:18:15,149 --> 00:18:18,524 and I thought, "Well, that went well." 269 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:21,087 It was my first big meeting. 270 00:18:21,122 --> 00:18:25,091 He walked behind me down a hallway, then he said, 271 00:18:25,126 --> 00:18:27,731 "This is the Jacuzzi room." 272 00:18:27,766 --> 00:18:32,505 And I looked in, and he pushed me inside. 273 00:18:32,540 --> 00:18:38,709 He stripped me, and he was suddenly naked. 274 00:18:38,744 --> 00:18:41,844 I left my body in some way. 275 00:18:42,946 --> 00:18:44,847 And he raped me. 276 00:18:45,784 --> 00:18:51,326 I went into survival mode to get out, and I faked an orgasm. 277 00:18:51,361 --> 00:18:53,757 He told me to get dressed. 278 00:18:53,792 --> 00:18:57,189 He left me messages telling me I was his new special friend 279 00:18:57,224 --> 00:19:01,226 and that he'd done a lot for other actresses. 280 00:19:01,261 --> 00:19:03,096 Did you report it? 281 00:19:03,131 --> 00:19:06,539 Can you see the law taking my side on that? 282 00:19:09,236 --> 00:19:11,203 But you told other people? 283 00:19:11,238 --> 00:19:15,240 I told a lot of people, and nobody did a thing. 284 00:19:15,275 --> 00:19:16,945 Nothing. 285 00:19:18,916 --> 00:19:22,247 Can I contact the people you told? 286 00:19:22,282 --> 00:19:24,491 You told me this was private. 287 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,496 He'll have spies watching you now, as we speak. 288 00:19:29,531 --> 00:19:31,762 I hope you know that. 289 00:19:57,823 --> 00:19:59,119 Hello? 290 00:19:59,154 --> 00:20:00,725 Hey, Megan, this is Jodi Kantor. 291 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,595 Is this a bad time? 292 00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:04,663 Uh... um, no. 293 00:20:04,698 --> 00:20:06,566 It's fine. 294 00:20:06,601 --> 00:20:08,029 Oh, I hear her. 295 00:20:08,064 --> 00:20:10,537 How's it all going? 296 00:20:10,572 --> 00:20:13,199 Yeah, it's, um... 297 00:20:13,234 --> 00:20:15,443 I just got her down. 298 00:20:16,743 --> 00:20:19,337 It's the toughest part, I think. 299 00:20:19,372 --> 00:20:20,679 Is it? 300 00:20:20,714 --> 00:20:22,879 I found it to be so. 301 00:20:22,914 --> 00:20:26,652 With my first daughter, I had postpartum depression. 302 00:20:28,491 --> 00:20:33,153 Everyone's so excited, and it's like... 303 00:20:33,188 --> 00:20:34,726 you're just not there. 304 00:20:36,191 --> 00:20:37,762 Right. 305 00:20:39,865 --> 00:20:42,294 So, I got your email. 306 00:20:42,329 --> 00:20:43,504 How's it all going? 307 00:20:43,539 --> 00:20:45,869 Yeah. 308 00:20:45,904 --> 00:20:50,676 I feel like there are a lot of women who have... 309 00:20:50,711 --> 00:20:53,613 been through something with him. 310 00:20:54,517 --> 00:20:57,342 But they find it hard to talk. 311 00:20:57,377 --> 00:21:02,490 And those who do talk to me don't want to go on the record. 312 00:21:02,525 --> 00:21:06,857 In your previous stories, how did you persuade women to tell you 313 00:21:06,892 --> 00:21:08,661 what had happened to them? 314 00:21:10,467 --> 00:21:13,226 Yeah, so... 315 00:21:13,261 --> 00:21:14,700 It's difficult. 316 00:21:14,735 --> 00:21:17,230 They're terrified. 317 00:21:17,265 --> 00:21:19,265 A case I made was, 318 00:21:19,300 --> 00:21:23,511 "You know, I can't change what happened to you in the past, 319 00:21:23,546 --> 00:21:27,339 "but together we may be able to use your experience 320 00:21:27,374 --> 00:21:30,243 to help protect other people." 321 00:21:30,278 --> 00:21:33,345 The truth, basically. 322 00:21:33,380 --> 00:21:34,720 But yeah. 323 00:21:34,755 --> 00:21:38,922 It's hard to ask women to talk. 324 00:21:56,238 --> 00:22:00,845 Then he asked me to meet him, uh, really early. 325 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,442 And I had been up all night filming, and I was tired. 326 00:22:04,477 --> 00:22:07,885 I went over to The Peninsula Hotel, and at reception, 327 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,415 I asked, "Is Mr. Weinstein in The Belvedere restaurant 328 00:22:10,450 --> 00:22:11,757 or is he on the patio?" 329 00:22:11,792 --> 00:22:15,629 And they said, "Go to his room." 330 00:22:15,664 --> 00:22:18,632 And I went upstairs, 331 00:22:18,667 --> 00:22:21,965 and Harvey was in his bathrobe. 332 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,364 And he asked if he could give me a massage. 333 00:22:25,399 --> 00:22:28,400 "No," I said. 334 00:22:28,435 --> 00:22:32,371 And then, um, he asked me to help him pick out his clothes for the day. 335 00:22:32,406 --> 00:22:36,815 He, you know, started asking for all these things, 336 00:22:36,850 --> 00:22:39,917 increasingly more sexual, getting closer and closer. 337 00:22:39,952 --> 00:22:45,758 And I just said no so many different times and in so many different ways. 338 00:22:45,793 --> 00:22:50,422 And then he finally, um, asked me to watch him take a shower. 339 00:22:50,457 --> 00:22:53,260 And I said, "Harvey, 340 00:22:53,295 --> 00:22:57,935 "when I win an Academy Award in a Miramax movie, 341 00:22:57,970 --> 00:22:59,838 I will give you a blow job." 342 00:22:59,873 --> 00:23:02,368 And I got out of there fast. 343 00:23:02,403 --> 00:23:03,842 What did you do? 344 00:23:03,877 --> 00:23:09,276 I told my dad, I told my agent, I told the people with whom I was filming that night, 345 00:23:09,311 --> 00:23:10,882 and Harvey punished me. 346 00:23:10,917 --> 00:23:15,447 I mean, he blackballed my career because I had the wherewithal to refuse him. 347 00:23:15,482 --> 00:23:16,921 How do you know that? 348 00:23:16,956 --> 00:23:19,858 I would be standing with other actresses, and he would blank me. 349 00:23:19,893 --> 00:23:23,697 There were roles for which I was up that I mysteriously did not get, 350 00:23:23,732 --> 00:23:26,326 and I know today that it was Harvey making a phone call. 351 00:23:26,361 --> 00:23:30,528 You know I did an article about it, and nobody did anything. 352 00:23:30,563 --> 00:23:33,806 You didn't identify him, but did industry people know 353 00:23:33,841 --> 00:23:35,709 who you were talking about in your article? 354 00:23:35,744 --> 00:23:37,238 Absolutely. 355 00:23:37,273 --> 00:23:40,406 And the abuse came raining down on me, not on him. 356 00:23:40,441 --> 00:23:43,409 You know at the Women's March when I did the "Nasty Woman" poem? 357 00:23:43,444 --> 00:23:46,313 I lost a huge advertising gig because a small group of people 358 00:23:46,348 --> 00:23:49,316 complained that I was quoting the president. 359 00:23:49,351 --> 00:23:51,857 He used that language and got elected. 360 00:23:51,892 --> 00:23:54,662 I quoted him, and I got fired. 361 00:23:54,697 --> 00:23:57,929 It is decades later, and it's still the same sexism. 362 00:23:57,964 --> 00:24:01,427 And, Jodi, I would make the same choices all over again, 363 00:24:01,462 --> 00:24:03,869 but I also would like to work. 364 00:24:07,171 --> 00:24:09,776 Lisa Bloom, the lawyer, she wrote to me. 365 00:24:09,811 --> 00:24:11,503 - Gloria Allred's daughter? - Yeah. 366 00:24:11,538 --> 00:24:13,043 - Do you know her? - No. 367 00:24:13,078 --> 00:24:14,814 But I assume she wants to help. 368 00:24:14,849 --> 00:24:16,541 I forwarded the email to Emily. 369 00:24:17,918 --> 00:24:19,247 I'm looking at it right now. 370 00:24:19,282 --> 00:24:22,052 Yeah. This is straight from legal. 371 00:24:23,484 --> 00:24:26,353 Jodi? Lisa Bloom. 372 00:24:26,388 --> 00:24:29,829 "Big announcement: "My book, Suspicion Nation, is being produced 373 00:24:29,864 --> 00:24:32,557 by Harvey Weinstein and Jay-Z." 374 00:24:32,592 --> 00:24:35,164 Weinstein is producing her book? 375 00:24:35,199 --> 00:24:40,169 Lisa Bloom, daughter of feminist icon, is working with Harvey Weinstein. 376 00:24:40,204 --> 00:24:42,039 But why would she do that? 377 00:24:42,074 --> 00:24:44,041 How much do you get paid for a miniseries? 378 00:24:44,076 --> 00:24:46,912 He's got to be behind Lisa reaching out to you. 379 00:24:46,947 --> 00:24:49,717 So Weinstein knows what we're doing. 380 00:24:57,617 --> 00:24:59,188 Sorry. 381 00:25:02,193 --> 00:25:04,963 Do you want to keep going with Trump? 382 00:25:04,998 --> 00:25:08,197 Or you could join Jodi and look into Harvey Weinstein. 383 00:25:11,268 --> 00:25:14,907 I worry about whether it makes a difference. 384 00:25:14,942 --> 00:25:18,438 These women spoke out against Trump, and he still became president. 385 00:25:18,473 --> 00:25:21,045 But in the wake of O'Reilly, there's possibility. 386 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,080 Sorry. 387 00:25:23,885 --> 00:25:26,380 Craig. I've been trying to reach you. 388 00:25:27,724 --> 00:25:29,823 You've got to show up. 389 00:25:29,858 --> 00:25:31,957 How's your daughter? 390 00:25:31,992 --> 00:25:34,223 She's great. 391 00:25:35,457 --> 00:25:37,765 Oh, s... um... 392 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,393 Sorry. I, um... 393 00:25:39,428 --> 00:25:43,364 Thank you for the gift you, um... 394 00:25:44,169 --> 00:25:46,301 Is anything bothering you? 395 00:25:46,336 --> 00:25:48,941 Besides no sleep and diapers everywhere. 396 00:25:50,780 --> 00:25:52,538 Are you okay? 397 00:25:54,850 --> 00:25:57,752 I found it quite... 398 00:25:57,787 --> 00:26:00,282 difficult. 399 00:26:00,317 --> 00:26:01,987 I'm sorry. 400 00:26:02,022 --> 00:26:03,758 Will working help? 401 00:26:03,793 --> 00:26:06,453 Yeah. Yeah. 402 00:26:06,488 --> 00:26:07,795 Absolutely. 403 00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:09,423 It's better now. 404 00:26:18,467 --> 00:26:19,598 Megan. 405 00:26:19,633 --> 00:26:21,204 Hey. 406 00:26:34,417 --> 00:26:37,352 Are they all famous? 407 00:26:37,387 --> 00:26:38,991 Most of them, yes. 408 00:26:39,928 --> 00:26:44,689 I guess my question is just, like: Is this the best use of our time? 409 00:26:44,724 --> 00:26:48,935 Like, as opposed to other people we could potentially be covering. 410 00:26:48,970 --> 00:26:52,466 People who can't speak out. Actresses already have a voice. 411 00:26:52,501 --> 00:26:56,536 But they could also fear being punished by the film industry for using it. 412 00:26:56,571 --> 00:26:58,780 Sure. 413 00:26:58,815 --> 00:27:02,278 But what is it exactly that we're looking at here? 414 00:27:02,313 --> 00:27:05,985 We're looking at extreme sexual harassment in the workplace. 415 00:27:06,922 --> 00:27:08,680 These young women walked into 416 00:27:08,715 --> 00:27:10,869 what they all had reason to believe were business meetings 417 00:27:10,893 --> 00:27:12,750 with a producer, an employer. 418 00:27:12,785 --> 00:27:14,455 They were hopeful. 419 00:27:14,490 --> 00:27:18,327 They were expecting a serious conversation about their work or a possible project. 420 00:27:18,362 --> 00:27:22,133 Instead, they say he met them with threats and sexual demands. 421 00:27:22,168 --> 00:27:24,696 They claim assault and rape. 422 00:27:24,731 --> 00:27:29,338 If that can happen to Hollywood actresses, who else is it happening to? 423 00:27:30,341 --> 00:27:32,572 Do you think his employees were targeted, too? 424 00:27:32,607 --> 00:27:35,047 I do. 425 00:27:37,315 --> 00:27:41,746 I could search for any police complaints against Miramax. 426 00:27:41,781 --> 00:27:44,287 Or court records. 427 00:27:45,290 --> 00:27:46,652 Should I? 428 00:27:47,655 --> 00:27:49,358 Yes. 429 00:27:49,393 --> 00:27:53,362 I found records of a complaint against Miramax from 2001, 430 00:27:53,397 --> 00:27:56,695 but the report was closed out the same day it was made. 431 00:27:56,730 --> 00:27:59,368 It says, "complainant elected court action," 432 00:27:59,403 --> 00:28:03,009 but then no court documents exist, which seems inconsistent. 433 00:28:03,044 --> 00:28:05,913 Do you have any more information on that? 434 00:28:05,948 --> 00:28:09,576 No, those records would have been destroyed. 435 00:28:09,611 --> 00:28:10,984 Really? Why? 436 00:28:11,019 --> 00:28:12,546 It's agency policy. 437 00:28:12,581 --> 00:28:15,890 All records are destroyed after three years. 438 00:28:15,925 --> 00:28:17,716 Why is that? 439 00:28:17,751 --> 00:28:21,060 As I said, it's policy. 440 00:28:21,931 --> 00:28:26,428 So could you please tell me who filed the sexual harassment complaint? 441 00:28:26,463 --> 00:28:29,035 No, I cannot. 442 00:28:29,070 --> 00:28:31,631 - Because? - It's policy. 443 00:28:31,666 --> 00:28:34,975 We are prohibited from giving you that name. 444 00:28:35,010 --> 00:28:37,637 Is that everything? 445 00:28:37,672 --> 00:28:39,441 This is very important. 446 00:28:39,476 --> 00:28:42,609 It's about someone who's still very powerful in the workplace. 447 00:28:42,644 --> 00:28:45,249 Who could still be harassing someone. 448 00:28:45,284 --> 00:28:47,955 Is there any way you can help me? 449 00:28:51,422 --> 00:28:53,961 You could ask me the name of the government investigator 450 00:28:53,996 --> 00:28:55,897 who was assigned the case. 451 00:28:55,932 --> 00:28:58,493 I could give you that information. 452 00:28:58,528 --> 00:29:00,627 - Just a name. - Thank you. 453 00:29:02,334 --> 00:29:05,599 I've made 20 calls to track this investigator. 454 00:29:07,174 --> 00:29:09,669 What did Lisa Bloom say? 455 00:29:09,704 --> 00:29:13,739 She just talked as though he was kind of naughty. 456 00:29:13,774 --> 00:29:18,645 She was talking to me kind of Jew-to-Jew and including Weinstein in the gang. 457 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,482 Oh. 458 00:29:20,517 --> 00:29:24,816 I had a long conversation with Lena Dunham and Jenni Konner. 459 00:29:24,851 --> 00:29:27,621 They want to help, and they have so many numbers. 460 00:29:27,656 --> 00:29:29,260 Amazing. 461 00:29:29,295 --> 00:29:30,822 Did you know them before? 462 00:29:30,857 --> 00:29:32,857 I don't know anyone. 463 00:29:32,892 --> 00:29:34,727 In April, when I started... 464 00:29:34,762 --> 00:29:36,861 - Mm. - I was literally leaving... 465 00:29:36,896 --> 00:29:38,830 It's the investigator. 466 00:29:38,865 --> 00:29:40,106 Hi. This is Megan Twohey. 467 00:29:40,141 --> 00:29:41,470 Thank you for getting back to me. 468 00:29:41,505 --> 00:29:43,945 Sure. How can I help? 469 00:29:43,980 --> 00:29:45,540 Do you remember the case? 470 00:29:45,575 --> 00:29:49,511 There are hundreds of sexual harassment cases at that agency. 471 00:29:49,546 --> 00:29:53,779 This one was brought to you, and then it was closed very quickly. 472 00:29:53,814 --> 00:29:56,188 That's not unusual. 473 00:29:56,223 --> 00:29:59,653 It was filed against Miramax. 474 00:29:59,688 --> 00:30:02,161 What's Miramax? 475 00:30:05,397 --> 00:30:07,529 Harvey, I've read the thorough reports, 476 00:30:07,564 --> 00:30:11,797 and Rose comes across as a disturbed, pathological liar. 477 00:30:11,832 --> 00:30:16,802 Clearly, she must be stopped in her ridiculous, defamatory attacks on you. 478 00:30:16,837 --> 00:30:18,177 She is dangerous. 479 00:30:18,212 --> 00:30:19,981 You are right to be concerned. 480 00:30:20,016 --> 00:30:23,941 I feel equipped to help you against the Roses of the world 481 00:30:23,976 --> 00:30:27,087 because I have represented so many of them. 482 00:30:27,122 --> 00:30:29,914 I'd like to meet with you to go over this in some detail. 483 00:30:29,949 --> 00:30:33,786 You should be the hero of the story, not the villain. 484 00:30:33,821 --> 00:30:35,854 Best, Lisa Bloom. 485 00:30:36,659 --> 00:30:41,695 I'm trying to get ahold of this assistant who worked at Miramax in her early 20s. 486 00:30:42,863 --> 00:30:44,797 One day, she just disappeared. 487 00:30:44,832 --> 00:30:47,668 All she left are her running shoes under the table. 488 00:30:47,703 --> 00:30:50,550 I haven't been able to find her yet, but her mother lives in Queens. 489 00:30:50,574 --> 00:30:53,707 I thought I'd just show up. 490 00:31:31,483 --> 00:31:32,350 Hi. 491 00:31:32,385 --> 00:31:35,320 - Hello. - Hi. 492 00:31:35,355 --> 00:31:38,323 I was expecting your mother. 493 00:31:38,358 --> 00:31:40,017 Oh, I'll go get her. Who should I say... 494 00:31:40,052 --> 00:31:43,592 No, it's... it's actually... You're the one I wanted to see. 495 00:31:44,793 --> 00:31:46,298 Excuse me? 496 00:31:46,333 --> 00:31:48,201 My name is Megan Twohey. 497 00:31:48,236 --> 00:31:50,863 I am an investigative reporter for The New York Times. 498 00:31:52,801 --> 00:31:54,174 Would it be okay if... 499 00:31:54,209 --> 00:31:55,769 Go back upstairs. Go see Abuelita. 500 00:32:05,121 --> 00:32:08,155 Could we talk for a minute? 501 00:32:09,081 --> 00:32:10,817 About your time at Miramax? 502 00:32:13,492 --> 00:32:15,723 I can't believe you found me. 503 00:32:16,825 --> 00:32:19,661 I've been waiting for this for 25 years. 504 00:32:22,094 --> 00:32:27,537 I would, I would love the chance to ask you a couple questions. 505 00:32:29,838 --> 00:32:31,937 What do you know? 506 00:32:31,972 --> 00:32:37,613 That you were at the beginning of your career and doing well. 507 00:32:39,155 --> 00:32:41,650 And that something happened. 508 00:32:44,116 --> 00:32:46,358 And then you disappeared. 509 00:32:48,395 --> 00:32:51,825 And that your father threatened legal action. 510 00:33:04,180 --> 00:33:06,840 All I can tell you is that... 511 00:33:08,382 --> 00:33:12,846 I had a business dispute with Miramax. 512 00:33:14,256 --> 00:33:16,784 It was resolved. 513 00:33:16,819 --> 00:33:19,193 Amicably. 514 00:33:19,228 --> 00:33:21,690 And we've agreed not to discuss it. 515 00:33:24,398 --> 00:33:26,464 I'm... 516 00:33:26,499 --> 00:33:28,598 I'm so glad to meet you anyway. 517 00:33:33,506 --> 00:33:35,275 So... 518 00:33:36,069 --> 00:33:38,608 it was resolved? 519 00:33:39,413 --> 00:33:42,007 Yeah. It was. 520 00:33:50,886 --> 00:33:56,560 There are women who have had settlements, and they're bound to silence, 521 00:33:56,595 --> 00:33:59,200 but we have written around them. 522 00:34:00,093 --> 00:34:02,995 There are ways to report around that restriction. 523 00:34:03,030 --> 00:34:05,833 The source can remain anonymous. 524 00:34:10,246 --> 00:34:12,510 I should go back in. 525 00:34:16,483 --> 00:34:18,648 Look, I'm-I'm sorry. 526 00:34:18,683 --> 00:34:20,793 I've thrown a curveball into your trip to see your mother, 527 00:34:20,817 --> 00:34:22,762 and, uh, I don't want to keep you from your family, 528 00:34:22,786 --> 00:34:26,887 but would it be okay if I... if I gave you my number? 529 00:34:28,627 --> 00:34:31,958 She was terrified, Jodi, but she wants to talk. 530 00:34:31,993 --> 00:34:33,190 She really does. 531 00:34:33,225 --> 00:34:35,863 Really? That's incredible. 532 00:34:35,898 --> 00:34:39,339 Listen, Gwyneth Paltrow called, and she told me about 533 00:34:39,374 --> 00:34:41,440 an incident at The Peninsula Hotel. 534 00:34:41,475 --> 00:34:43,277 The Peninsula? What the fuck? 535 00:34:43,312 --> 00:34:45,378 Exactly. Where Ashley went to meet him. 536 00:34:45,413 --> 00:34:48,447 Shit. What happened? 537 00:34:48,482 --> 00:34:50,416 Fuck. It's her. I have to go. 538 00:34:50,451 --> 00:34:51,912 Hi. 539 00:34:51,947 --> 00:34:54,387 Megan, we just spoke. 540 00:34:54,422 --> 00:34:56,081 I'm sorry, but it's a no. 541 00:34:56,116 --> 00:34:58,017 But good luck. Honestly. 542 00:35:25,783 --> 00:35:28,718 So, if you sign it, you don't tell anyone about anything? 543 00:35:28,753 --> 00:35:30,456 Yeah. 544 00:35:30,491 --> 00:35:33,250 It could've been bullying, or sometimes it's just a big shop, 545 00:35:33,285 --> 00:35:35,956 and they don't want you to tell their trade secrets. 546 00:35:35,991 --> 00:35:37,430 Did you sign one? 547 00:35:39,192 --> 00:35:40,895 No. 548 00:35:40,930 --> 00:35:43,931 So, shops have secrets but newspapers don't? 549 00:35:48,377 --> 00:35:50,971 I think pretty much everyone and everything has a secret. 550 00:35:51,006 --> 00:35:54,172 What's yours? 551 00:35:54,207 --> 00:35:55,976 I will tell you one day. 552 00:35:56,011 --> 00:35:59,111 - Do you have one? - Of course. 553 00:36:02,589 --> 00:36:04,820 Course I have a secret. 554 00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:16,238 - So what are you saying? - So we take a drive through 555 00:36:16,262 --> 00:36:17,965 - the redwood, huh? - Beach? Mountain? Spa? 556 00:36:48,866 --> 00:36:50,503 - Hello? - John Schmidt? 557 00:36:50,538 --> 00:36:52,296 - My name is Megan Twohey. - Yeah? 558 00:36:52,331 --> 00:36:54,001 I'm a reporter for The New York Times. 559 00:36:54,036 --> 00:36:55,552 - Would it be possible to speak for a moment? - Oh. 560 00:36:55,576 --> 00:36:57,576 Uh, come in. 561 00:37:01,780 --> 00:37:04,341 I can't see what you'd want from me. 562 00:37:04,376 --> 00:37:07,751 You were the chief financial officer at Miramax. 563 00:37:07,786 --> 00:37:11,348 The women who received these settlements, they can't speak out. 564 00:37:11,383 --> 00:37:13,988 They'll be sued if they do. 565 00:37:14,023 --> 00:37:18,564 But if someone could speak freely about the payouts, 566 00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:21,028 that would be hugely helpful. 567 00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:25,835 What payouts, John? 568 00:37:32,976 --> 00:37:34,943 Look, I'm not asking you to go on the record. 569 00:37:34,978 --> 00:37:40,817 Just to have your perspective on what might've happened back then. 570 00:37:46,858 --> 00:37:49,122 I need to think about it. 571 00:37:50,862 --> 00:37:53,863 - Okay? - Okay. 572 00:37:55,196 --> 00:37:57,196 Sorry just to show up. 573 00:38:00,872 --> 00:38:02,509 Good night. 574 00:38:02,544 --> 00:38:04,940 Good night. 575 00:38:21,761 --> 00:38:24,025 Hi, hi. Can you hear me? 576 00:38:24,060 --> 00:38:26,533 - Yes. - Uh, I really appreciate 577 00:38:26,568 --> 00:38:28,227 you talking to me on a Saturda. 578 00:38:28,262 --> 00:38:30,295 I hope the links were useful. 579 00:38:30,330 --> 00:38:32,902 They were, but I-I find it very strange 580 00:38:32,937 --> 00:38:36,642 that if I want to access certain information, I can't. 581 00:38:36,677 --> 00:38:38,369 The EEOC is all about information. 582 00:38:38,404 --> 00:38:40,173 What could you not find? 583 00:38:40,208 --> 00:38:43,946 Well, for instance, which companies have had the most sexual harassment complaints, 584 00:38:43,981 --> 00:38:46,245 but no one was permitted to tell me that. 585 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,380 Yes, that would be confidential information. 586 00:38:49,415 --> 00:38:50,920 But do you think that's right? 587 00:38:50,955 --> 00:38:53,494 Shouldn't the Equal Employment Opportunities Commission 588 00:38:53,529 --> 00:38:55,793 be a resource for information? 589 00:38:56,862 --> 00:38:59,533 Our policies are reviewed annually. 590 00:38:59,568 --> 00:39:02,569 So do you know internally which companies have the most complaints? 591 00:39:02,604 --> 00:39:07,640 Yes, we do, but we're not allowed to disclose that information. 592 00:39:07,675 --> 00:39:12,172 So any woman applying for a job is not allowed to check 593 00:39:12,207 --> 00:39:15,615 the record of that employer in terms of harassment? 594 00:39:15,650 --> 00:39:17,144 That's right. 595 00:39:17,179 --> 00:39:19,817 You-you should probably talk to someone higher up. 596 00:39:19,852 --> 00:39:21,852 I-I'm... I'm going to. 597 00:39:21,887 --> 00:39:25,185 I will, but don't you think that's strange? 598 00:39:25,220 --> 00:39:27,352 That the commission is there to protect people 599 00:39:27,387 --> 00:39:33,094 but its policy prohibits sharing the information needed to protect them? 600 00:39:33,129 --> 00:39:35,734 Megan, I'm not the head of the EEOC. 601 00:39:35,769 --> 00:39:38,198 I was just trying to help. 602 00:39:38,233 --> 00:39:40,431 And you, and you have. And it's the weekend. 603 00:39:40,466 --> 00:39:42,675 - I really thank you. - Okay. 604 00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:43,907 - Okay. - Goodbye. 605 00:39:43,942 --> 00:39:46,646 Oh, my gosh. 606 00:39:46,681 --> 00:39:48,582 Amazing. 607 00:39:48,617 --> 00:39:50,276 Incredible. 608 00:39:50,311 --> 00:39:53,246 Mira or the Equal Employment Opportunities Commission? 609 00:39:54,722 --> 00:39:57,151 Both. 610 00:39:57,186 --> 00:39:59,219 - Hi. - Hi. 611 00:40:01,322 --> 00:40:03,828 - We're like reporting twins. - Yeah. 612 00:40:03,863 --> 00:40:06,831 - Should I go up and change? - No, let's go. 613 00:40:08,461 --> 00:40:09,603 - You look amazing. - Nice. 614 00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:19,844 - Hi. How was your ride? - Hi. - Hi. 615 00:40:19,879 --> 00:40:21,043 - Yeah, it was... - Great. 616 00:40:21,078 --> 00:40:22,539 It was good. 617 00:40:22,574 --> 00:40:23,980 I'm Helen. I'm Gwyneth's assistant. 618 00:40:24,015 --> 00:40:25,443 Gwyneth will be right with you. 619 00:40:25,478 --> 00:40:26,983 Thank you. 620 00:40:30,989 --> 00:40:33,825 So it's a total pattern, a pattern of behavior. 621 00:40:33,860 --> 00:40:37,730 Gwyneth was invited to the hotel room, the business meeting, and then threatened with 622 00:40:37,765 --> 00:40:39,259 losing her job if she refused him. 623 00:40:39,294 --> 00:40:42,328 She told her agent. No one does a thing. 624 00:40:42,363 --> 00:40:44,704 Will Gwyneth go on the record? 625 00:40:44,739 --> 00:40:45,903 She really wants to. 626 00:40:45,938 --> 00:40:47,212 I-I think she does and she doesn't. 627 00:40:47,236 --> 00:40:51,370 She's scared that it could turn into some kind of tabloidy sex scandal. 628 00:40:51,405 --> 00:40:54,780 I mean, Gwyneth was 23. So was Rose. 629 00:40:54,815 --> 00:40:56,749 They were so young. 630 00:40:56,784 --> 00:40:58,575 Tell me everything when you get in. 631 00:40:58,610 --> 00:41:00,445 Okay. Bye. 632 00:41:04,352 --> 00:41:06,957 The only way these women are gonna go on the record... 633 00:41:06,992 --> 00:41:09,025 Is if they all jump together. 634 00:41:10,292 --> 00:41:12,259 Yeah. 635 00:41:21,633 --> 00:41:23,402 You take the lead on this. 636 00:41:23,437 --> 00:41:26,108 No, you do it. You're less intimidating. 637 00:41:26,143 --> 00:41:28,374 You don't find me intimidating? 638 00:41:29,542 --> 00:41:32,213 No, I mean... No, it's just the height thing. 639 00:41:32,248 --> 00:41:33,654 Hi. 640 00:41:33,689 --> 00:41:36,723 Hi. We were just in the neighborhood. 641 00:41:36,758 --> 00:41:38,219 We're from The New York Times. 642 00:41:38,254 --> 00:41:41,255 I believe you used to work for Harvey Weinstein? 643 00:41:47,593 --> 00:41:50,495 Think she'll go on the record? 644 00:41:50,530 --> 00:41:51,837 Okay. I'm just gonna... 645 00:41:51,872 --> 00:41:54,400 You want to leave the note? Yeah. 646 00:42:03,378 --> 00:42:06,049 The NDAs are never examined or questioned. 647 00:42:06,084 --> 00:42:07,886 They rarely come up in open court. 648 00:42:07,921 --> 00:42:09,481 Law schools don't teach them. 649 00:42:09,516 --> 00:42:11,725 Also, the attorneys who represent the victims 650 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,024 can get up to 40% of the settlement. 651 00:42:14,059 --> 00:42:16,125 That's a big incentive to keep that system going. 652 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,029 Most sexual harassment cases are settled out of court. 653 00:42:19,064 --> 00:42:21,460 And most of them have a confidentiality clause. 654 00:42:21,495 --> 00:42:23,770 And the women who sign these contracts have to give over 655 00:42:23,805 --> 00:42:27,037 all of their evidence: their diaries, emails, phones. 656 00:42:27,072 --> 00:42:30,535 It's cash for silence, and it enables the perpetrators to continue. 657 00:42:30,570 --> 00:42:33,142 And these clauses are standard practice. 658 00:42:33,177 --> 00:42:34,880 The women want to close the case. 659 00:42:34,915 --> 00:42:36,409 They need the money. They... 660 00:42:36,444 --> 00:42:38,642 They don't want to be branded as liars or flirts. 661 00:42:38,677 --> 00:42:41,887 I mean, I'm sure it-it often seems like the only recourse. 662 00:42:41,922 --> 00:42:45,924 And I imagine some women see these settlements as a confession of guilt. 663 00:42:45,959 --> 00:42:49,554 They think they've scored a victory when it's actually a gag order. 664 00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:51,897 And if you try and take a case like this to court, 665 00:42:51,932 --> 00:42:54,031 the sexual harassment laws are so weak. 666 00:42:54,066 --> 00:42:56,132 They're actually nonexistent if you're a freelancer 667 00:42:56,167 --> 00:42:58,343 or if there are fewer than 15 employees in the workplace. 668 00:42:58,367 --> 00:43:00,235 Also, most lawyers prefer settlements 669 00:43:00,270 --> 00:43:02,842 'cause it's less of a financial risk for them. 670 00:43:02,877 --> 00:43:05,702 How close are any of these actresses to going on the record? 671 00:43:05,737 --> 00:43:08,342 We're introducing the idea. 672 00:43:08,377 --> 00:43:10,949 I'm afraid we have these horrific hotel room accounts 673 00:43:10,984 --> 00:43:12,577 and no corroborating evidence. 674 00:43:12,612 --> 00:43:16,790 We feel they'll speak out if they're not the only ones. 675 00:43:16,825 --> 00:43:17,956 Safety in numbers. 676 00:43:17,991 --> 00:43:19,760 And settlements? 677 00:43:19,795 --> 00:43:22,719 Three. So far. 678 00:43:22,754 --> 00:43:24,523 There's Rose McGowan. 679 00:43:24,558 --> 00:43:26,932 We're pretty sure about Ambra Battilana. 680 00:43:26,967 --> 00:43:30,496 And I would say the same for the ex-assistant in Queens. 681 00:43:30,531 --> 00:43:31,563 And no documents? 682 00:43:31,598 --> 00:43:34,071 We do not have a publishable story. 683 00:43:37,703 --> 00:43:39,373 Hey. 684 00:43:39,408 --> 00:43:41,144 So, look, team. 685 00:43:41,179 --> 00:43:45,214 You have to imagine that every call you make is being recorded. 686 00:43:45,249 --> 00:43:47,315 And you're being followed. 687 00:43:47,350 --> 00:43:50,923 Don't let Weinstein talk to you, unless it's on the record. 688 00:43:50,958 --> 00:43:54,322 I'd be interested in talking to him even off the record. 689 00:43:54,357 --> 00:43:58,931 No, if Harvey has something to say, he needs to say it publicly. 690 00:43:58,966 --> 00:44:00,966 I've dealt with him before. 691 00:44:01,001 --> 00:44:02,495 It's ugly. 692 00:44:03,872 --> 00:44:07,500 We're looking into the incident with Ambra Battilana Gutierrez. 693 00:44:07,535 --> 00:44:10,404 She accused Weinstein of groping her. 694 00:44:10,439 --> 00:44:13,473 The NYPD gave her a wire, and she met him again. 695 00:44:13,508 --> 00:44:15,816 But the D.A. wouldn't prosecute. 696 00:44:15,851 --> 00:44:18,544 They claimed the recording wasn't enough to arrest him. 697 00:44:18,579 --> 00:44:21,481 Linda Fairstein worked in the D.A.'s office. 698 00:44:21,516 --> 00:44:23,021 I've texted her. 699 00:45:59,317 --> 00:46:01,482 Linda, Megan Twohey here. How are you? 700 00:46:01,517 --> 00:46:02,879 I'm good, Megan. 701 00:46:02,914 --> 00:46:04,254 How can I help? 702 00:46:04,289 --> 00:46:05,959 Yeah, I'm looking into a police complaint 703 00:46:05,994 --> 00:46:09,226 against Harvey Weinstein that wasn't charged two years ago. 704 00:46:09,261 --> 00:46:11,327 When you were at the D.A.'s office. 705 00:46:11,362 --> 00:46:13,725 Ambra Battilana Gutierrez. 706 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,365 Oh. Okay. 707 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,401 It seemed to go away very quickly. 708 00:46:19,436 --> 00:46:20,897 There was no criminal conduct there. 709 00:46:20,932 --> 00:46:25,143 The cops seemed pretty confident there was. 710 00:46:25,178 --> 00:46:27,982 Do you think there was anything irregular about how it was handled? 711 00:46:28,016 --> 00:46:29,708 I don't. 712 00:46:29,743 --> 00:46:31,149 Why would you say that? 713 00:46:33,747 --> 00:46:34,955 Gwyneth. 714 00:46:34,990 --> 00:46:36,352 He's here. 715 00:46:36,387 --> 00:46:39,454 I invited a few people over, and he turned up. 716 00:46:39,489 --> 00:46:41,225 I haven't seen him for years. 717 00:46:41,260 --> 00:46:43,458 He must know I spoke to you. 718 00:46:43,493 --> 00:46:45,889 Why are you so certain there was no criminal conduct? 719 00:46:45,924 --> 00:46:47,429 Wasn't there a recording? 720 00:46:47,464 --> 00:46:48,826 Uh... 721 00:46:48,861 --> 00:46:50,927 I don't think there's a road to go down. 722 00:46:50,962 --> 00:46:52,500 No. 723 00:46:53,338 --> 00:46:55,305 Do you feel like you're in physical danger at all? 724 00:46:55,340 --> 00:46:57,736 I'll keep people around me till he goes. 725 00:46:57,771 --> 00:46:59,672 It's a shock. I know he's watching me. 726 00:46:59,707 --> 00:47:01,542 He's letting me know. 727 00:47:02,743 --> 00:47:04,908 He can't do anything. 728 00:47:04,943 --> 00:47:06,316 Gwyneth. 729 00:47:06,351 --> 00:47:08,912 I'm here. Call me if you need me. 730 00:47:08,947 --> 00:47:10,485 Okay. Bye. 731 00:47:12,126 --> 00:47:14,126 Linda, do you know Harvey? 732 00:47:14,161 --> 00:47:18,493 I've met him socially, but we've never been to each other's homes. 733 00:47:18,528 --> 00:47:20,264 Okay. 734 00:47:20,299 --> 00:47:22,761 - I'm sure we'll speak soon. - Yes. 735 00:47:22,796 --> 00:47:25,137 Goodbye. 736 00:47:30,001 --> 00:47:32,804 We got a good lead to talk to a past executive at Miramax. 737 00:47:32,839 --> 00:47:34,509 - Great. When will that be? - Hey. Hola. 738 00:47:34,544 --> 00:47:36,082 Jodi's talking to her tomorrow. 739 00:47:36,117 --> 00:47:37,292 Hey, I don't think she heard you. 740 00:47:37,316 --> 00:47:38,491 She definitely didn't hear you. 741 00:47:38,515 --> 00:47:41,318 - Oh, my God. - What? 742 00:47:42,123 --> 00:47:47,852 Ronan Farrow is working on an H.W. piece for The New Yorker. 743 00:47:47,887 --> 00:47:49,062 What? Since when? 744 00:47:49,097 --> 00:47:50,690 - Fuck. - She doesn't say, 745 00:47:50,725 --> 00:47:53,924 but apparently he's spoken to a lot of actresses already. 746 00:47:53,959 --> 00:47:54,959 Okay, ladies. 747 00:47:54,993 --> 00:47:56,531 These are the menus. 748 00:47:56,566 --> 00:47:58,071 - Thank you. - All right. - Thank you. 749 00:47:58,106 --> 00:47:59,996 It's pressure we can do without, 750 00:48:00,031 --> 00:48:04,077 but we just keep going, and we continue to be thorough. 751 00:48:04,112 --> 00:48:06,310 Pardon me. Excuse me. Hello. Hi. Hello, everyone. 752 00:48:06,345 --> 00:48:08,213 Uh, did you, did you see my friend over there? 753 00:48:08,248 --> 00:48:09,412 He-he said hi. 754 00:48:09,447 --> 00:48:10,710 Could you leave us? 755 00:48:10,745 --> 00:48:12,382 - We're talking. - I absolutely will. 756 00:48:12,417 --> 00:48:13,856 I totally understand, but I was just thinking 757 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,495 maybe I could just have a moment of your time. 758 00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:17,816 All right, man. We're having a conversation. So, if you could just... 759 00:48:17,851 --> 00:48:19,235 You should be doing something else, though. 760 00:48:19,259 --> 00:48:20,753 - Fuck you. - Fuck you? 761 00:48:20,788 --> 00:48:21,919 I would bend you over... 762 00:48:21,954 --> 00:48:23,459 Fuck you! 763 00:48:24,297 --> 00:48:25,923 Fuck you! Get the fuck out of here! 764 00:48:25,958 --> 00:48:28,134 Fuck you, man! Get the fuck out! 765 00:48:30,963 --> 00:48:32,105 - Wow. - Frigid bitches. 766 00:48:32,140 --> 00:48:34,239 Frigid bitches. 767 00:48:34,274 --> 00:48:35,702 The guy's an asshole, right? 768 00:48:35,737 --> 00:48:38,001 - Sorry. - Don't apologize. 769 00:48:53,051 --> 00:48:58,230 There was an incident in Venice at the film festival. 770 00:48:58,265 --> 00:49:00,958 It was '98. 771 00:49:00,993 --> 00:49:02,663 What happened? 772 00:49:06,273 --> 00:49:10,066 What makes me most angry is the silence. 773 00:49:10,101 --> 00:49:14,576 No one spoke out then, and no one is talking about it now. 774 00:49:14,611 --> 00:49:17,678 He built the silence, and people complied. 775 00:49:17,713 --> 00:49:20,648 He produced fear and intimidation. 776 00:49:20,683 --> 00:49:22,716 The only alternative, seemingly, was to quit 777 00:49:22,751 --> 00:49:27,017 and throw away everything you worked so hard for out the door. 778 00:49:27,052 --> 00:49:29,063 You were terrified you were gonna be the next target, 779 00:49:29,087 --> 00:49:30,856 so people looked the other way. 780 00:49:30,891 --> 00:49:34,134 - Within the company? - Yes, and outside of it. 781 00:49:34,169 --> 00:49:37,170 I mean, he played the press. He played the agents. 782 00:49:37,205 --> 00:49:38,798 How did he play the press? 783 00:49:38,833 --> 00:49:42,901 By promising them access to stars in exchange for hushing up some incident. 784 00:49:42,936 --> 00:49:44,804 What sort of incident? 785 00:49:45,642 --> 00:49:47,906 Where do I start? 786 00:49:47,941 --> 00:49:50,843 Harvey had this... What did they call it? 787 00:49:50,878 --> 00:49:56,486 "A physical altercation" with a male employee at a conference. 788 00:49:56,521 --> 00:49:58,114 Then they settled with the guy. 789 00:49:58,149 --> 00:50:00,358 And with women? 790 00:50:01,757 --> 00:50:03,724 He pursued them. 791 00:50:03,759 --> 00:50:05,489 Endlessly. 792 00:50:08,566 --> 00:50:10,764 What happened in Venice? 793 00:50:12,702 --> 00:50:14,669 I don't want to be quoted. 794 00:50:14,704 --> 00:50:15,472 Period. 795 00:50:15,507 --> 00:50:17,639 Understood. 796 00:50:21,579 --> 00:50:25,911 We were in Harvey's suite, and there were a bunch of people in there. 797 00:50:25,946 --> 00:50:31,356 And there were these two assistants, and they were sitting there trembling. 798 00:50:31,391 --> 00:50:33,149 And Weinstein was there? 799 00:50:33,184 --> 00:50:35,294 Yes. 800 00:50:35,329 --> 00:50:38,759 He was talking film and ignoring them, 801 00:50:38,794 --> 00:50:41,696 but they were literally vibrating. 802 00:50:41,731 --> 00:50:45,370 One with fear, the other with anger. 803 00:50:47,605 --> 00:50:49,374 Can you tell me their names? 804 00:50:49,409 --> 00:50:51,409 Yes. 805 00:50:56,251 --> 00:51:00,110 And there's another woman you should, you should call. 806 00:51:00,145 --> 00:51:03,652 The two assistants are Rowena Chiu and Zelda Perkins, 807 00:51:03,687 --> 00:51:06,787 and we have a third name, Laura Madden. 808 00:51:06,822 --> 00:51:09,526 And none of them are returning our calls. 809 00:51:09,561 --> 00:51:11,429 So? Show up in person. 810 00:51:11,464 --> 00:51:13,827 Yeah. 811 00:51:13,862 --> 00:51:18,194 They live in London, Silicon Valley and Wales. 812 00:51:18,229 --> 00:51:20,504 Can you get on a plane? 813 00:51:27,348 --> 00:51:30,580 Let me work it out with Ron. 814 00:51:33,354 --> 00:51:36,355 But yeah, of course. 815 00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:37,950 Documents, verification. 816 00:51:37,985 --> 00:51:39,424 You know what we need. 817 00:52:23,096 --> 00:52:25,195 Hi. 818 00:52:25,230 --> 00:52:27,835 Sorry to bother you. I can see you're busy. 819 00:52:27,870 --> 00:52:31,377 I was looking for Rowena Chiu. 820 00:52:31,412 --> 00:52:32,906 Hi. 821 00:52:32,941 --> 00:52:36,206 Rowena's not here right now. Can I give her a message? 822 00:52:36,241 --> 00:52:38,109 When will she be back? 823 00:52:38,144 --> 00:52:41,178 My wife's out of the country for a while. 824 00:52:41,213 --> 00:52:42,487 I see. 825 00:52:42,522 --> 00:52:45,215 I did try calling her. 826 00:52:45,250 --> 00:52:46,623 This a work thing? 827 00:52:46,658 --> 00:52:48,592 No. You must be Andrew? 828 00:52:48,627 --> 00:52:50,088 Andrew Cheung? 829 00:52:50,123 --> 00:52:52,893 I'm Jodi Kantor. I'm from The New York Times. 830 00:52:52,928 --> 00:52:54,598 Okay. 831 00:52:54,633 --> 00:52:58,503 So, what did you want to talk to Rowena about? 832 00:52:58,538 --> 00:53:01,671 We're researching a story about Miramax. 833 00:53:01,706 --> 00:53:04,575 I flew in from New York. 834 00:53:04,610 --> 00:53:06,940 - You came all this way? - Yeah. 835 00:53:08,383 --> 00:53:10,977 Um, could we talk for a minute? 836 00:53:11,012 --> 00:53:12,484 Sure. 837 00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:15,553 So, I've been speaking with people 838 00:53:15,588 --> 00:53:18,919 who worked for Harvey Weinstein. 839 00:53:18,954 --> 00:53:22,758 You're going quite far back with Rowena's time there. 840 00:53:22,793 --> 00:53:24,793 We're writing about his treatment of women. 841 00:53:24,828 --> 00:53:26,124 Right. 842 00:53:26,159 --> 00:53:29,259 And Rowena fits in how? 843 00:53:30,064 --> 00:53:33,472 Your wife worked at Miramax for some years. 844 00:53:33,507 --> 00:53:35,705 Yes. 845 00:53:35,740 --> 00:53:37,036 Mainly in Hong Kong. 846 00:53:37,071 --> 00:53:40,380 Like to hear about her experiences working for Weinstein. 847 00:53:40,415 --> 00:53:43,548 I'm confused why you can't discuss it on the phone. 848 00:53:43,583 --> 00:53:46,045 I did try. 849 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,454 It is always better to actually meet. 850 00:53:50,348 --> 00:53:52,084 So... 851 00:53:53,791 --> 00:53:56,924 And this is off the record. 852 00:53:56,959 --> 00:53:59,025 My understanding is that... 853 00:53:59,060 --> 00:54:03,227 that Weinstein possibly victimized your wife when Rowena first worked for him. 854 00:54:06,672 --> 00:54:10,476 Rowena's never mentioned anything like that to me. 855 00:54:10,511 --> 00:54:12,302 What-what do you mean by "victimized"? 856 00:54:12,337 --> 00:54:13,809 Can you be more specific? 857 00:54:15,208 --> 00:54:19,210 I was told that your wife may have received a settlement from Weinstein. 858 00:54:20,015 --> 00:54:23,489 Do I look like a guy whose wife got a settlement? 859 00:54:24,822 --> 00:54:27,218 Could you have confused her with someone else? 860 00:54:27,253 --> 00:54:30,287 I-I... I apologize for taking up your time. 861 00:54:30,322 --> 00:54:31,662 I'm... 862 00:54:31,697 --> 00:54:34,962 Will you just please give this to Rowena? 863 00:54:34,997 --> 00:54:37,899 If you're talking to these other people, why do you need to talk to Rowena? 864 00:54:37,934 --> 00:54:42,706 And if you turn up in my driveway, what kind of victimization? 865 00:54:42,741 --> 00:54:44,444 It's complex. 866 00:54:44,479 --> 00:54:46,710 I'm asking you to expand on it. 867 00:54:46,745 --> 00:54:50,813 I really think it would be best... 868 00:54:51,684 --> 00:54:53,585 if you asked Rowena. 869 00:54:53,620 --> 00:54:55,587 Have a good day. 870 00:55:07,931 --> 00:55:10,063 I just couldn't lie to him. 871 00:55:10,098 --> 00:55:12,571 And then it turns out he didn't know. 872 00:55:12,606 --> 00:55:14,364 What if London is a repeat of this? 873 00:55:14,399 --> 00:55:15,838 It won't be. 874 00:55:15,873 --> 00:55:18,071 I spoke with an employment lawyer in the U.K., 875 00:55:18,106 --> 00:55:23,714 and he told me that it was irresponsible of me even to ask about breaching NDAs. 876 00:55:23,749 --> 00:55:25,408 No one does it. They would get sued. 877 00:55:25,443 --> 00:55:26,981 Fuck that guy. 878 00:55:27,016 --> 00:55:30,314 Honestly, Jodi, fuck him. He has no idea. 879 00:55:30,349 --> 00:55:32,987 I wish I smoked or something. 880 00:55:33,022 --> 00:55:38,322 I'm staring at an actual brick wall, and all I can think is, "Fuck." 881 00:55:38,357 --> 00:55:40,599 That's okay. 882 00:55:40,634 --> 00:55:42,227 Fuck. 883 00:55:42,262 --> 00:55:44,735 And documents. 884 00:55:54,010 --> 00:55:58,177 So, Laura, we are looking at a full mastectomy. 885 00:55:58,212 --> 00:56:02,247 And we should schedule this as soon as possible. 886 00:56:02,282 --> 00:56:03,886 I understand. 887 00:56:12,457 --> 00:56:13,962 Hello. 888 00:56:13,997 --> 00:56:16,096 Hi. 889 00:56:16,131 --> 00:56:18,802 Laura, this is Jodi Kantor from The New York Times. 890 00:56:18,837 --> 00:56:21,431 Um, I hope you've been getting my messages. 891 00:56:21,466 --> 00:56:25,303 I'm in California right now, but I'm coming to London tomorrow. 892 00:56:25,338 --> 00:56:27,239 Hi, Jodi. 893 00:56:27,274 --> 00:56:28,504 Hi. 894 00:56:28,539 --> 00:56:32,684 Um, I-I'm so happy to be finally speaking with you. 895 00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,852 I-I understand that you once worked for Harvey Weinstein 896 00:56:35,887 --> 00:56:38,151 in the London office of Miramax. 897 00:56:38,186 --> 00:56:39,889 Is that right? 898 00:56:41,255 --> 00:56:43,453 Laura? 899 00:56:49,263 --> 00:56:50,801 Laura. 900 00:56:52,607 --> 00:56:54,673 Can I do anything to help? 901 00:56:54,708 --> 00:56:57,467 No. I can't talk about this right now. 902 00:57:10,691 --> 00:57:12,515 Hey. 903 00:57:12,550 --> 00:57:13,758 Hey, my love. 904 00:57:13,793 --> 00:57:17,058 Come here. Oh. 905 00:57:18,061 --> 00:57:20,028 Hey, now. 906 00:57:20,899 --> 00:57:23,229 It's going to be all right. 907 00:57:23,264 --> 00:57:25,902 - It's going to be all right. - I'm so sorry, Mum. 908 00:57:40,985 --> 00:57:44,514 Please refrain from smoking in this building. 909 00:57:56,902 --> 00:57:58,704 Here we are. 910 00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:03,302 Tea. 911 00:58:03,337 --> 00:58:05,139 Thank you. 912 00:58:23,291 --> 00:58:25,698 You know, other people have tried to write this story. 913 00:58:25,733 --> 00:58:27,029 He kills it every time. 914 00:58:27,064 --> 00:58:29,295 We're aware of that. 915 00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:32,837 And we're not gonna let that happen to us. 916 00:58:36,810 --> 00:58:38,436 Are you okay, Zelda? 917 00:58:38,471 --> 00:58:40,042 Yes. 918 00:58:42,178 --> 00:58:45,377 So, you started working at Miramax when you were 21? 919 00:58:45,412 --> 00:58:49,150 Yes. I was an assistant at the London office. 920 00:58:49,185 --> 00:58:51,416 - And how was it? - It was great. 921 00:58:51,451 --> 00:58:54,353 But it would shift when Harvey came to town. 922 00:58:54,388 --> 00:58:55,959 In what way? 923 00:58:55,994 --> 00:58:59,831 Everyone became on call to Harvey. 924 00:58:59,866 --> 00:59:02,130 And what would that entail? 925 00:59:02,165 --> 00:59:07,531 Script meetings, discussions and more personal stuff. 926 00:59:07,566 --> 00:59:09,005 Like? 927 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:13,746 For instance, I would have to go to his hotel and wake Harvey up. 928 00:59:13,781 --> 00:59:15,473 Run his shower for him. 929 00:59:15,508 --> 00:59:16,914 Get him out of bed. 930 00:59:16,949 --> 00:59:18,443 He would usually be naked. 931 00:59:18,478 --> 00:59:20,643 And he might try to pull me onto him. 932 00:59:20,678 --> 00:59:22,381 What did you do? 933 00:59:22,416 --> 00:59:23,921 I'd fend him off. 934 00:59:23,956 --> 00:59:26,990 I found humor or aggression worked best. 935 00:59:27,025 --> 00:59:30,862 Harvey was either excited or furious. 936 00:59:30,897 --> 00:59:33,029 You never knew which it would be. 937 00:59:33,801 --> 00:59:36,802 Did anyone on the team give you advice about him? 938 00:59:36,837 --> 00:59:38,364 Yes. 939 00:59:38,399 --> 00:59:41,334 Once, one girl told me to always wear my puffer jacket, 940 00:59:41,369 --> 00:59:44,205 um, and to always sit in an armchair, 941 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,374 never the sofa next to him, which helped. 942 00:59:48,409 --> 00:59:52,884 And that's how I knew that it wasn't only happening to me. 943 00:59:52,919 --> 00:59:54,919 What was happening exactly? 944 00:59:54,954 --> 00:59:56,756 Bullying. 945 00:59:56,791 --> 00:59:58,549 Emotional abuse. 946 00:59:58,584 --> 01:00:01,420 I was just too young to understand it. 947 01:00:01,455 --> 01:00:04,797 Harvey wanted people to submit to him. 948 01:00:04,832 --> 01:00:05,963 And if they didn't? 949 01:00:05,998 --> 01:00:07,459 Well, then he'd roar. 950 01:00:07,494 --> 01:00:08,933 And he'd spit. 951 01:00:08,968 --> 01:00:11,837 He could destroy someone in seconds. 952 01:00:11,872 --> 01:00:14,103 Were you scared of him? 953 01:00:14,908 --> 01:00:17,843 Yes. We all were. 954 01:00:20,210 --> 01:00:25,015 So, three years into this, you were at the Venice Film Festival. 955 01:00:27,712 --> 01:00:30,383 I resigned after that. 956 01:00:30,418 --> 01:00:33,650 - What happened? - I can't tell you all of it. 957 01:00:33,685 --> 01:00:35,861 What can you tell me? 958 01:00:45,136 --> 01:00:46,839 There was a new assistant. 959 01:00:46,874 --> 01:00:48,665 She was my age. She was great. 960 01:00:49,844 --> 01:00:51,470 She was very smart. 961 01:00:51,505 --> 01:00:55,540 And she was doing Harvey's evening script meeting alone for the first time, 962 01:00:55,575 --> 01:00:59,115 and I told her to call me if he got difficult. 963 01:01:00,811 --> 01:01:02,613 - Was he pursuing her? - No. 964 01:01:04,188 --> 01:01:07,552 Harvey said, "I don't like Jewish or Asian women." 965 01:01:07,587 --> 01:01:09,422 - But that night... - She called you. 966 01:01:09,457 --> 01:01:10,457 No. 967 01:01:11,327 --> 01:01:16,033 The following morning, she came to me, and she was sobbing. 968 01:01:16,068 --> 01:01:17,837 I mean, she was hysterical. 969 01:01:17,872 --> 01:01:19,498 Rowena, what happened? 970 01:01:19,533 --> 01:01:21,236 Sit. 971 01:01:21,271 --> 01:01:24,008 - And I held her. - What is it? 972 01:01:24,802 --> 01:01:27,638 Did she tell you what he did? 973 01:01:28,916 --> 01:01:30,773 Not exactly. 974 01:01:30,808 --> 01:01:32,577 Only that no one must know. 975 01:01:32,612 --> 01:01:34,084 But I knew. 976 01:01:34,119 --> 01:01:36,350 I knew that he must've... 977 01:01:37,958 --> 01:01:39,188 What? 978 01:01:39,223 --> 01:01:41,190 She was so upset. 979 01:01:41,225 --> 01:01:45,524 I knew that it had to be the-the worst possible thing. 980 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,627 I calmed her down, and I went straight to confront Harvey. 981 01:01:49,662 --> 01:01:52,729 He was in a meeting, uh, with Scorsese, who, you know... 982 01:01:52,764 --> 01:01:55,875 who hated him, so it was a really big deal for Harvey. 983 01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:59,604 And I went straight up to him, and I said very clearly, 984 01:01:59,639 --> 01:02:01,342 "You need to come with me right now." 985 01:02:01,377 --> 01:02:03,949 You went right up to them and confronted him? 986 01:02:03,984 --> 01:02:06,182 Yeah. I was so angry. 987 01:02:06,217 --> 01:02:11,748 And in front of everyone, he stood up and... 988 01:02:11,783 --> 01:02:13,992 he followed me like a lamb. 989 01:02:15,127 --> 01:02:18,788 And then I knew. Then I knew he did it. 990 01:02:18,823 --> 01:02:20,526 And then? 991 01:02:20,561 --> 01:02:21,758 He denied it. 992 01:02:21,793 --> 01:02:23,342 He said, "I swear on my wife and kids' lives 993 01:02:23,366 --> 01:02:24,739 that I did not assault that young woman." 994 01:02:24,763 --> 01:02:27,863 And then I knew that he was lying. 995 01:02:27,898 --> 01:02:31,537 He always used that line as a "get out of jail free" card. Always. 996 01:02:32,342 --> 01:02:35,981 Did the assistant report it to the police? 997 01:02:36,016 --> 01:02:39,182 Mm. She told no one. 998 01:02:40,955 --> 01:02:42,845 We came back to London. 999 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,088 We both resigned. 1000 01:02:44,123 --> 01:02:49,962 I told my direct superior, who suggested we get ourselves a good lawyer. 1001 01:02:49,997 --> 01:02:51,689 I had no idea where to get one. 1002 01:02:51,724 --> 01:02:56,232 I found a company close to the office, and-and then I thought it would be simple. 1003 01:02:56,267 --> 01:02:57,530 Criminal proceedings. 1004 01:02:57,565 --> 01:02:59,730 But our lawyer said we had no chance 1005 01:02:59,765 --> 01:03:01,941 and the only thing to do was to agree to a settlement. 1006 01:03:01,976 --> 01:03:05,043 And I said categorically no, that no money should change hands 1007 01:03:05,078 --> 01:03:06,478 and that we just wanted to stop him. 1008 01:03:06,508 --> 01:03:09,113 And no U.K. police were involved? 1009 01:03:09,148 --> 01:03:10,675 We had no case. 1010 01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:12,875 We had no evidence and no police report from Venice. 1011 01:03:12,910 --> 01:03:16,131 And, you see, with rape, it is impossibly difficult to get a prosecution. 1012 01:03:16,155 --> 01:03:20,256 And the lawyers kept saying damage limitation was the only way to go. 1013 01:03:20,291 --> 01:03:22,489 So I said, "All right, then. 1014 01:03:22,524 --> 01:03:24,194 We have our own very real demands." 1015 01:03:24,229 --> 01:03:27,296 Conditions that Harvey would have to meet if we were to sign. 1016 01:03:27,331 --> 01:03:28,858 And what were those conditions? 1017 01:03:28,893 --> 01:03:31,432 We demanded that if Harvey had another settlement 1018 01:03:31,467 --> 01:03:33,797 within two years, that it had to be reported to Disney 1019 01:03:33,832 --> 01:03:35,172 or else he would be fired. 1020 01:03:35,207 --> 01:03:39,242 Another was that he would go to therapy, with me present initially 1021 01:03:39,277 --> 01:03:41,244 so that he couldn't lie to the therapist. 1022 01:03:41,279 --> 01:03:46,414 We demanded that HR would put in a system to protect the women and staff. 1023 01:03:46,449 --> 01:03:49,285 And it felt like if we could achieve all of those, 1024 01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:54,356 then that's what our silence was paying for, that we were paying for him to stop. 1025 01:03:56,129 --> 01:03:57,590 So we signed. 1026 01:03:57,625 --> 01:04:00,725 And they had their own insane conditions for us. 1027 01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,397 What were they? 1028 01:04:03,301 --> 01:04:04,762 I tried to commit them to memory. 1029 01:04:04,797 --> 01:04:06,764 Um, they wouldn't give us our own copy. 1030 01:04:06,799 --> 01:04:08,403 What? 1031 01:04:08,438 --> 01:04:10,383 I was only given visitation rights to my own settlement. 1032 01:04:10,407 --> 01:04:12,869 That's in... 1033 01:04:12,904 --> 01:04:14,277 That's incredible. 1034 01:04:14,312 --> 01:04:16,543 But you memorized them? 1035 01:04:17,678 --> 01:04:23,352 I asked for letters, too, which stated some of the conditions. 1036 01:04:23,387 --> 01:04:26,916 One said, "We will make best endeavors 1037 01:04:26,951 --> 01:04:30,788 to not help the police in a criminal or civil case." 1038 01:04:30,823 --> 01:04:35,661 We weren't allowed to talk to our family or a doctor. 1039 01:04:37,467 --> 01:04:40,171 So finally we signed. 1040 01:04:40,206 --> 01:04:42,998 They gave us some money. 1041 01:04:43,033 --> 01:04:45,704 And I felt completely broken. 1042 01:04:53,516 --> 01:04:55,219 I interviewed for other jobs afterwards, 1043 01:04:55,254 --> 01:04:58,387 but everyone kept saying, "Why did you leave Harvey?" 1044 01:05:04,197 --> 01:05:06,296 They all assumed that I'd... 1045 01:05:07,134 --> 01:05:08,958 been with him, you know. 1046 01:05:08,993 --> 01:05:10,696 It was horrible. 1047 01:05:12,964 --> 01:05:14,403 What did you do then? 1048 01:05:14,438 --> 01:05:19,001 I went to visit a friend in Guatemala, and I stayed for five years. 1049 01:05:19,036 --> 01:05:22,114 I had no chance of ever working in film again, 1050 01:05:22,149 --> 01:05:26,580 and I couldn't speak freely, so I worked with horses. 1051 01:05:32,258 --> 01:05:33,818 You've lost a lot. 1052 01:05:41,399 --> 01:05:43,795 These are the original letters. 1053 01:05:44,996 --> 01:05:48,404 I had to have their permission if I wanted 1054 01:05:48,439 --> 01:05:52,210 to contact a therapist or speak to an accountant. 1055 01:05:53,642 --> 01:05:59,613 I was "never to speak to any other media, now or hereafter existing, about it." 1056 01:06:00,715 --> 01:06:04,420 Jodi, this is bigger than Weinstein. 1057 01:06:04,455 --> 01:06:08,655 This is about the system protecting abusers. 1058 01:06:10,230 --> 01:06:15,299 I want you to take these, and I want you to use them. 1059 01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,536 Got to go now. 1060 01:06:42,460 --> 01:06:43,888 Is it dark there? 1061 01:06:43,923 --> 01:06:45,890 It's, like, 4:00 here. 1062 01:06:45,925 --> 01:06:47,056 Did you drink tea? 1063 01:06:48,367 --> 01:06:50,466 A little bit. 1064 01:06:50,501 --> 01:06:53,029 Who are you meeting? 1065 01:06:53,064 --> 01:06:55,064 Just a few women. 1066 01:06:55,099 --> 01:06:58,342 Can you find me a shell? And a cat hat for Violet? 1067 01:06:58,377 --> 01:06:59,607 I will work on that. 1068 01:06:59,642 --> 01:07:01,972 Have you been okay without me? 1069 01:07:02,007 --> 01:07:03,875 Sure. You're back tomorrow. 1070 01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:05,140 I am. 1071 01:07:05,175 --> 01:07:06,251 Yay! 1072 01:07:09,113 --> 01:07:13,049 So, what did they do, the women you're meeting? 1073 01:07:13,084 --> 01:07:15,854 We'll talk about it when you're older. 1074 01:07:15,889 --> 01:07:18,626 Are they criminals? Bank robbers? 1075 01:07:18,661 --> 01:07:20,364 No. 1076 01:07:20,399 --> 01:07:21,794 Was it rape? 1077 01:07:25,668 --> 01:07:29,670 Talia, I don't think I've ever heard you use that word. 1078 01:07:29,705 --> 01:07:32,970 Boys say it all the time. And girls. 1079 01:07:33,005 --> 01:07:34,477 They shouldn't. 1080 01:07:34,512 --> 01:07:36,842 That word shouldn't be used casually. 1081 01:07:36,877 --> 01:07:39,042 I'm sorry. 1082 01:07:39,077 --> 01:07:41,253 N-No. You did nothing wrong. 1083 01:07:41,288 --> 01:07:42,650 Are you angry with me? 1084 01:07:42,685 --> 01:07:45,224 No, Talia, no. I miss you. 1085 01:07:45,259 --> 01:07:47,655 I-I miss you like someone took a piece out of me. 1086 01:07:50,957 --> 01:07:53,155 I lost you, Talia. 1087 01:07:53,190 --> 01:07:54,563 Talia. 1088 01:08:11,549 --> 01:08:13,109 Oh, God. 1089 01:08:13,144 --> 01:08:18,147 They're trying to survive, and he's there 'cause he's hosting the show. 1090 01:08:18,182 --> 01:08:20,391 And he's probably going to, like, help them. - 1091 01:08:20,426 --> 01:08:21,920 - He's going to kill them. - Hello? 1092 01:08:21,955 --> 01:08:23,053 What? No! 1093 01:08:23,088 --> 01:08:24,538 - No? - May I ask who's calling? 1094 01:08:24,562 --> 01:08:26,056 Probably going to help them, like, 1095 01:08:26,091 --> 01:08:28,102 - if they, like, need to get in. - Now, who's Potts? 1096 01:08:28,126 --> 01:08:32,436 I know, but - they don't look like they're having troubles... - Mum. 1097 01:08:32,471 --> 01:08:34,064 It's another call from America. 1098 01:08:34,099 --> 01:08:36,803 I told you, sweetie, just tell any journalist, "No." 1099 01:08:36,838 --> 01:08:40,070 N-No, she says you worked together. 1100 01:08:40,105 --> 01:08:41,577 Pamela Lubell? 1101 01:08:43,350 --> 01:08:45,911 Hywel wants to take his yellow pillow to Cornwall. 1102 01:08:45,946 --> 01:08:48,111 - No, we're not taking... - So? 1103 01:08:48,146 --> 01:08:50,080 We're not taking any pillows. 1104 01:08:50,115 --> 01:08:51,851 - Why? - Pamela? 1105 01:08:52,953 --> 01:08:54,722 God. 1106 01:08:56,561 --> 01:08:58,088 Hi, Pamela. How are you? 1107 01:08:58,123 --> 01:08:59,562 It's been decades. 1108 01:08:59,597 --> 01:09:00,992 I know, Laura. 1109 01:09:01,027 --> 01:09:03,797 It's really been a while. How's life? 1110 01:09:03,832 --> 01:09:05,304 It's good. 1111 01:09:05,339 --> 01:09:08,164 How's everything? How are you? 1112 01:09:08,199 --> 01:09:10,342 Yeah, I'm okay. 1113 01:09:10,377 --> 01:09:11,772 That's great. 1114 01:09:11,807 --> 01:09:14,775 Laura, have you had any calls from reporters 1115 01:09:14,810 --> 01:09:17,547 trying to write stories about Harvey? 1116 01:09:17,582 --> 01:09:19,549 I-I have, actually. Yes. 1117 01:09:19,584 --> 01:09:22,420 I didn't talk to them. 1118 01:09:22,455 --> 01:09:24,356 Good. That's good to hear. 1119 01:09:24,391 --> 01:09:26,050 Cockroach journalists. 1120 01:09:26,085 --> 01:09:28,789 It was great, wasn't it, back then? 1121 01:09:28,824 --> 01:09:31,726 Harvey was always very generous. 1122 01:09:31,761 --> 01:09:34,432 That wasn't my experience. 1123 01:09:34,467 --> 01:09:38,667 Laura, can I have your assurance that you won't talk to anyone? 1124 01:09:38,702 --> 01:09:41,769 What? What did you say? 1125 01:09:41,804 --> 01:09:45,201 If you have a project, I can take it to Harvey. 1126 01:09:45,236 --> 01:09:46,741 I don't. 1127 01:09:46,776 --> 01:09:48,908 And I'll talk to who I please. 1128 01:10:03,155 --> 01:10:04,825 - Good evening. - Good evening. 1129 01:10:04,860 --> 01:10:07,993 I need to book a flight to Cornwall first thing in the morning. 1130 01:10:08,028 --> 01:10:10,666 - Flight to Cornwall tomorrow? - Yes. 1131 01:10:10,701 --> 01:10:13,064 To Newquay Airport? 1132 01:10:13,099 --> 01:10:14,406 - Newquay. - Newquay. 1133 01:10:14,441 --> 01:10:15,583 You'd normally just get a train. 1134 01:10:15,607 --> 01:10:17,574 Okay, train, then. 1135 01:10:31,623 --> 01:10:33,689 This is a nice place for a vacation. 1136 01:10:33,724 --> 01:10:35,119 - Yeah. - Mum. 1137 01:10:35,154 --> 01:10:37,187 - Hi. - Um, Hywel wants to play at the rocks. 1138 01:10:37,222 --> 01:10:38,254 Is that okay? 1139 01:10:38,289 --> 01:10:40,432 - Yeah, sure. - Okay. 1140 01:10:41,666 --> 01:10:43,292 Is that your eldest? 1141 01:10:43,327 --> 01:10:44,931 Yes. 1142 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:47,538 Yes. She's 13. 1143 01:10:49,707 --> 01:10:51,234 You grew up in Ireland? 1144 01:10:51,269 --> 01:10:54,138 I did, yes. 1145 01:10:54,173 --> 01:10:58,879 And your first job was wrangling extras in '92? 1146 01:10:58,914 --> 01:11:01,211 They were shooting near us. 1147 01:11:01,246 --> 01:11:03,015 I loved it. 1148 01:11:03,050 --> 01:11:05,853 And then I heard that Miramax were making a film nearby, 1149 01:11:05,888 --> 01:11:08,383 and I got a job as a runner on that. 1150 01:11:08,418 --> 01:11:11,056 I was ecstatic. It was great. 1151 01:11:11,861 --> 01:11:15,566 And you met Harvey Weinstein when? 1152 01:11:15,601 --> 01:11:17,128 Soon after that. 1153 01:11:17,163 --> 01:11:19,900 I was going to be working directly for him. 1154 01:11:19,935 --> 01:11:23,035 Doing errands, answering calls. 1155 01:11:23,070 --> 01:11:26,005 I was very happy to be asked. 1156 01:11:27,778 --> 01:11:29,305 He was charming. 1157 01:11:29,340 --> 01:11:33,177 He was saying he'd heard how hard I worked. 1158 01:11:33,212 --> 01:11:36,114 And I was just excited. 1159 01:11:36,886 --> 01:11:41,383 I was 21, you know, very young but incredibly keen. 1160 01:11:42,496 --> 01:11:44,925 So when he said he'd give me a permanent job 1161 01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:49,061 at the London office, I felt so happy. 1162 01:11:49,096 --> 01:11:51,261 He said that in the meeting? 1163 01:11:51,296 --> 01:11:52,669 Yes. 1164 01:11:52,704 --> 01:11:55,969 He was in his bathrobe when he opened the door, 1165 01:11:56,004 --> 01:12:00,710 but I thought that was maybe very Hollywood. 1166 01:12:00,745 --> 01:12:06,177 But quite soon into talking, he said, would I give him a massage? 1167 01:12:08,522 --> 01:12:10,522 I-I said no. 1168 01:12:10,557 --> 01:12:11,853 He was very matter-of-fact. 1169 01:12:11,888 --> 01:12:14,284 He said it's not a romantic request. 1170 01:12:14,319 --> 01:12:16,693 Everyone does it for him. 1171 01:12:16,728 --> 01:12:18,794 It's part of the job. 1172 01:12:21,095 --> 01:12:26,098 So, I suddenly thought that I was the problem, you know. 1173 01:12:26,133 --> 01:12:29,805 That I was the one who was sexualizing it. 1174 01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:33,303 That I was just young and uptight. 1175 01:12:33,338 --> 01:12:34,909 So, I... 1176 01:12:35,879 --> 01:12:37,978 I put my hands on his shoulders, 1177 01:12:38,013 --> 01:12:42,917 but I couldn't actually move them at all over his body. 1178 01:12:42,952 --> 01:12:45,381 I just stood there. 1179 01:12:45,416 --> 01:12:47,251 My hands wouldn't move. 1180 01:12:47,286 --> 01:12:52,663 And then he said he would give me a massage first. 1181 01:12:52,698 --> 01:12:54,830 To relax me. 1182 01:12:57,065 --> 01:13:01,232 And he said, "Look, all the girls do it. 1183 01:13:01,267 --> 01:13:03,740 It's just work." 1184 01:13:03,775 --> 01:13:06,545 And then he said, "Take your top off." 1185 01:13:06,580 --> 01:13:08,943 Very matter-of-fact. 1186 01:13:08,978 --> 01:13:11,209 "Take your bra off." 1187 01:13:15,820 --> 01:13:18,689 And I did. 1188 01:13:18,724 --> 01:13:22,825 I was terrified, but I just thought, 1189 01:13:22,860 --> 01:13:25,927 "Get through it. Do it." 1190 01:13:27,700 --> 01:13:29,766 And then my trousers were off, 1191 01:13:29,801 --> 01:13:33,902 and he was standing over me... 1192 01:13:33,937 --> 01:13:36,465 masturbating. 1193 01:13:36,500 --> 01:13:40,172 I asked him to leave me alone, 1194 01:13:40,207 --> 01:13:43,307 but he kept asking for different things. 1195 01:13:43,342 --> 01:13:46,981 And then he suggested a shower, and I got up. 1196 01:13:47,786 --> 01:13:51,315 And he carried on... 1197 01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:53,449 masturbating. 1198 01:13:53,484 --> 01:13:55,484 And I kept crying. 1199 01:13:55,519 --> 01:13:58,487 And I was sobbing, and the water was pouring down, 1200 01:13:58,522 --> 01:14:03,294 and he was still masturbating. 1201 01:14:04,099 --> 01:14:05,604 Then he got angry. 1202 01:14:05,639 --> 01:14:09,707 I think my crying was so loud it put him off. 1203 01:14:09,742 --> 01:14:14,844 And he left the bathroom, and I locked the door. 1204 01:14:16,441 --> 01:14:20,311 And I could still hear him on the other side. 1205 01:14:20,346 --> 01:14:24,084 Still the sounds of him masturbating. 1206 01:14:25,989 --> 01:14:28,154 Finally, I went back into the room itself 1207 01:14:28,189 --> 01:14:32,125 and grabbed my clothes and belongings, and I just ran. 1208 01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,424 I ran down the street. 1209 01:14:34,459 --> 01:14:38,703 I've never run that fast in my life. 1210 01:14:44,535 --> 01:14:47,008 How do you feel about it now? 1211 01:14:52,950 --> 01:14:55,544 I... 1212 01:14:55,579 --> 01:14:57,920 I... I feel like 1213 01:14:57,955 --> 01:15:02,254 it dictated a certain direction my life took. 1214 01:15:02,289 --> 01:15:06,060 That... I just felt that it was this huge e-error of judgment 1215 01:15:06,095 --> 01:15:09,833 that sort of marked me and all my decisions. 1216 01:15:10,803 --> 01:15:12,330 And... 1217 01:15:14,004 --> 01:15:16,774 I felt such shame... 1218 01:15:18,503 --> 01:15:22,142 that I let him do that. 1219 01:15:24,542 --> 01:15:27,312 Did you think that he had done the same to other girls? 1220 01:15:27,347 --> 01:15:29,952 I thought that he must've tried it. 1221 01:15:31,758 --> 01:15:34,286 But that they'd all s... 1222 01:15:35,795 --> 01:15:38,026 they'd all said no. 1223 01:15:41,493 --> 01:15:45,231 It was like he t-took my voice that day. 1224 01:15:47,301 --> 01:15:52,238 Just when I was about to start finding it. 1225 01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:01,676 Yes? 1226 01:16:01,711 --> 01:16:05,020 I have Harvey Weinstein on the phone for you. 1227 01:16:05,055 --> 01:16:07,286 Put him through. Thank you. 1228 01:16:09,224 --> 01:16:11,356 Dean, how are you? This is Harvey. 1229 01:16:11,391 --> 01:16:14,095 Hi, Harvey. What can I do for you? 1230 01:16:14,130 --> 01:16:17,164 If I hadn't made movies, I would've been a journalist. 1231 01:16:18,068 --> 01:16:20,772 Dean, I heard someone was working on a story about me. 1232 01:16:20,807 --> 01:16:23,467 Yes. If you'd like to talk to the reporters on the record, 1233 01:16:23,502 --> 01:16:26,008 - they'd welcome that. - I want to talk to you, Dean. 1234 01:16:26,043 --> 01:16:28,175 Well, talk to my reporters about your concerns. 1235 01:16:28,210 --> 01:16:30,474 I'm sorry. I have work to do. 1236 01:16:30,509 --> 01:16:31,607 Are you gonna hang up? 1237 01:16:31,642 --> 01:16:34,313 Unless you have anything else to say. 1238 01:16:34,348 --> 01:16:36,084 I love the truth. 1239 01:16:36,119 --> 01:16:38,757 People make up stories a lot. 1240 01:16:38,792 --> 01:16:40,121 Be careful of that. 1241 01:16:40,156 --> 01:16:42,387 That's fine, Harvey. Goodbye. 1242 01:16:58,669 --> 01:17:00,306 - Hi, Chanel. - Hey, Dean. 1243 01:17:00,341 --> 01:17:01,912 Hey, Tim. 1244 01:17:07,315 --> 01:17:10,283 - Matt, you got a minute? - Yeah. 1245 01:17:10,318 --> 01:17:11,889 So, what do we have? 1246 01:17:11,924 --> 01:17:14,826 Well, the biggest thing is the documents that Jodi got 1247 01:17:14,861 --> 01:17:16,322 from Zelda Perkins in London. 1248 01:17:16,357 --> 01:17:18,423 Rose is still off the record, 1249 01:17:18,458 --> 01:17:21,624 but she has given us permission to write about her settlement. 1250 01:17:21,659 --> 01:17:24,033 We're just trying to figure out a way to confirm it. 1251 01:17:24,068 --> 01:17:28,697 Harvey offered her a million dollars recently for her silence. 1252 01:17:28,732 --> 01:17:30,369 - And? - Rose refused, 1253 01:17:30,404 --> 01:17:32,041 but she doesn't want us to quote her. 1254 01:17:32,076 --> 01:17:33,768 There are still no on-the-record sources. 1255 01:17:33,803 --> 01:17:35,077 NDAs are a problem. 1256 01:17:35,112 --> 01:17:37,376 Laura Madden didn't sign one. 1257 01:17:37,411 --> 01:17:40,214 She's the only ex-assistant who is technically free to speak. 1258 01:17:40,249 --> 01:17:43,492 Ashley and Gwyneth didn't sign one either, but they're not ready to go on the record. 1259 01:17:43,516 --> 01:17:45,483 But Laura Madden has to deal with something 1260 01:17:45,518 --> 01:17:47,826 - very different right now. - She has breast cancer. 1261 01:17:47,861 --> 01:17:50,994 She has to go into surgery, so it's not likely. 1262 01:17:51,029 --> 01:17:55,196 I'm still leaving messages for Rowena Chiu, but there's no engagement. 1263 01:17:55,231 --> 01:17:56,626 So, no more proven settlements. 1264 01:17:56,661 --> 01:17:59,530 Ambra Battilana Gutierrez almost certainly settled. 1265 01:17:59,565 --> 01:18:01,939 And John Schmidt confirmed that Miramax settled 1266 01:18:01,974 --> 01:18:03,501 with the woman I visited in Queens. 1267 01:18:03,536 --> 01:18:05,569 Anything more on the article from The New Yorker? 1268 01:18:05,604 --> 01:18:06,878 No. 1269 01:18:06,913 --> 01:18:10,805 Lanny Davis and David Boies want to come talk to us. 1270 01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:12,345 What do you think? 1271 01:18:12,380 --> 01:18:16,250 Don't we want to wait and push for an on-the-record interview with Weinstein? 1272 01:18:16,285 --> 01:18:17,416 It's your call, Binky. 1273 01:18:17,451 --> 01:18:20,254 I'd like to talk to Lanny at least. 1274 01:18:20,289 --> 01:18:21,893 See what he has to say. 1275 01:18:21,928 --> 01:18:23,752 Harvey's not always that rational. 1276 01:18:23,787 --> 01:18:27,624 The reason I'm here as his representative is not to try to kill anything. 1277 01:18:27,659 --> 01:18:29,824 I want to know that if you're including something 1278 01:18:29,859 --> 01:18:33,036 like Rósa McGowan's claim, then we can defend that. 1279 01:18:33,071 --> 01:18:34,499 Of course. 1280 01:18:34,534 --> 01:18:36,237 Please. 1281 01:18:39,605 --> 01:18:43,607 I know you'll be investigating with due diligence. 1282 01:18:43,642 --> 01:18:44,674 - Lanny... - Mm-hmm? 1283 01:18:44,709 --> 01:18:46,544 You'll have every chance to respond. 1284 01:18:46,579 --> 01:18:48,579 Oh. Uh... 1285 01:18:48,614 --> 01:18:50,647 And I trust it's okay to record this? 1286 01:18:50,682 --> 01:18:52,847 Oh, of course. Sure. 1287 01:18:52,882 --> 01:18:56,554 I don't expect you to name sources, but if it's possible 1288 01:18:56,589 --> 01:19:00,030 for you to let me know overall what your story's about? 1289 01:19:00,065 --> 01:19:04,496 We're looking into problematic behavior towards women by Weinstein. 1290 01:19:05,301 --> 01:19:07,763 Okay. 1291 01:19:07,798 --> 01:19:11,767 Harvey adamantly denies any allegation of rape or assault. 1292 01:19:11,802 --> 01:19:13,472 Nothing criminal. 1293 01:19:13,507 --> 01:19:17,740 But he is aware of complaints about his treatment of women, 1294 01:19:17,775 --> 01:19:20,248 and he is working on that. 1295 01:19:21,053 --> 01:19:25,682 Powerful men of an older generation are changing their understanding 1296 01:19:25,717 --> 01:19:27,651 of the meaning of the word "consensual." 1297 01:19:27,686 --> 01:19:32,491 Why women don't feel it's consensual even if a man convinces himself it is. 1298 01:19:32,526 --> 01:19:35,098 Do you want to expand on that? 1299 01:19:35,133 --> 01:19:40,796 Uh, I believe there's a story to be told about the evolution of men. 1300 01:19:40,831 --> 01:19:43,403 And, in particular, Harvey on this subject. 1301 01:19:43,438 --> 01:19:46,175 Uh, would he be willing to talk to us about it? 1302 01:19:46,210 --> 01:19:48,441 On the record. 1303 01:19:49,378 --> 01:19:53,215 He has to deal with his wife and children before anything else. 1304 01:19:54,020 --> 01:19:59,485 You're adamant Rose McGowan's rape accusation is false. 1305 01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,289 Why is that? 1306 01:20:01,324 --> 01:20:03,027 Did she tell anybody right away? 1307 01:20:03,062 --> 01:20:04,490 Did she show any signs of distress? 1308 01:20:04,525 --> 01:20:07,460 She told her manager and a lawyer. 1309 01:20:09,497 --> 01:20:12,234 Harvey was aware that there was a problem with Rose, 1310 01:20:12,269 --> 01:20:14,698 but not that she was accusing him of rape. 1311 01:20:14,733 --> 01:20:17,272 So I draw a bright line on the word "rape." 1312 01:20:17,307 --> 01:20:22,805 Anything below that line, uh, he was aware of feelings, concerns. 1313 01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:24,246 Of what kind? 1314 01:20:24,281 --> 01:20:25,544 I'm sorry. What... 1315 01:20:25,579 --> 01:20:29,746 If the concerns were not about rape, what were they about? 1316 01:20:31,519 --> 01:20:34,553 The only way I can answer is, um... 1317 01:20:36,029 --> 01:20:41,890 a sense of exploitation because of that disparate power relationship. 1318 01:20:41,925 --> 01:20:45,894 There's mental coercion that isn't physical coercion. 1319 01:20:45,929 --> 01:20:50,140 Lisa Bloom has been working with Harvey to help him recognize the difference. 1320 01:20:50,175 --> 01:20:51,504 Lisa Bloom? 1321 01:20:51,539 --> 01:20:53,341 Yeah. 1322 01:20:53,376 --> 01:20:55,904 If Harvey had been made aware 1323 01:20:55,939 --> 01:21:01,151 of McGowan's concerns at the time, how did he respond? 1324 01:21:02,385 --> 01:21:04,682 I think he had dealings legally with her about them. 1325 01:21:04,717 --> 01:21:09,225 And how would you characterize those legal dealings? 1326 01:21:10,921 --> 01:21:15,231 I think he became aware that she did not regard what happened as okay with her. 1327 01:21:15,266 --> 01:21:16,793 I'm not talking about rape. 1328 01:21:16,828 --> 01:21:21,039 I'm talking about the effect he had on Rose McGowan. 1329 01:21:21,074 --> 01:21:23,602 And that rather than fighting... 1330 01:21:24,407 --> 01:21:26,044 "Rather than fighting"? 1331 01:21:26,079 --> 01:21:29,278 Then... then what? 1332 01:21:31,645 --> 01:21:34,811 I-I think he has agreed to settlements 1333 01:21:34,846 --> 01:21:37,484 rather than litigating what might have been litigated. 1334 01:21:37,519 --> 01:21:42,357 As Harvey saw it, it was better to settle, even if you haven't done anything wrong. 1335 01:21:42,392 --> 01:21:44,623 He preferred to settle. 1336 01:21:46,165 --> 01:21:49,694 Were there other cases of questionable intimate relations 1337 01:21:49,729 --> 01:21:52,334 with women in which Weinstein settled? 1338 01:21:54,602 --> 01:21:58,142 Let's say for now, even on a background basis, 1339 01:21:58,177 --> 01:22:00,771 that I need to find out what my limits are legally. 1340 01:22:00,806 --> 01:22:04,676 Even if on background, I'm confirming settlements. 1341 01:22:04,711 --> 01:22:09,318 But the-the answer is yes, there have been. 1342 01:22:12,015 --> 01:22:14,158 How many? 1343 01:22:15,854 --> 01:22:17,392 No. 1344 01:22:19,957 --> 01:22:23,464 To admit to settlements this early, they're in real trouble. 1345 01:22:23,499 --> 01:22:25,268 We need to find out a number. 1346 01:22:25,303 --> 01:22:26,731 We need to corroborate each one. 1347 01:22:26,766 --> 01:22:28,733 I'm on it. 1348 01:22:28,768 --> 01:22:32,671 Have you guys had any dealings with Diana Filip? 1349 01:22:32,706 --> 01:22:34,805 - No. - I said no to speaking at a women's conference. 1350 01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,841 - She just keeps on calling me. - Did you have her checked out? 1351 01:22:37,876 --> 01:22:41,779 Security consultant says she's legit, but who has time for these random people? 1352 01:22:55,124 --> 01:22:56,464 Hello? 1353 01:22:56,499 --> 01:22:57,861 I worked at Miramax. 1354 01:22:57,896 --> 01:23:00,138 Talk to Irwin Reiter. He hates Weinstein. 1355 01:23:11,547 --> 01:23:13,349 Hey. Are you okay? 1356 01:23:13,384 --> 01:23:16,154 Did I wake you? 1357 01:23:16,189 --> 01:23:18,717 Um, yeah. What's up? 1358 01:23:18,752 --> 01:23:21,984 What do you know about Irwin Reiter? 1359 01:23:23,262 --> 01:23:26,395 Hang on. I put together a file on him. 1360 01:23:26,430 --> 01:23:29,629 I need to write a good fucking email. 1361 01:23:41,511 --> 01:23:44,248 Hi. Thanks for meeting me. 1362 01:23:44,283 --> 01:23:46,008 You want to get me killed? 1363 01:23:53,226 --> 01:23:57,855 So, Irwin, you've been an accountant for the Weinsteins 1364 01:23:57,890 --> 01:23:59,593 for 30 years. 1365 01:24:02,499 --> 01:24:06,101 I pick up the check, and I reserve the right to leave after five minutes. 1366 01:24:07,163 --> 01:24:10,505 So, um... what do you want to know? 1367 01:24:10,540 --> 01:24:14,575 We have information on several settlements that Weinstein made in the '90s, 1368 01:24:14,610 --> 01:24:17,380 paid to actresses and ex-employees. 1369 01:24:17,415 --> 01:24:20,647 Could you tell me anything about that? 1370 01:24:22,717 --> 01:24:26,521 Could you confirm those settlements and how it was from your perspective? 1371 01:24:26,556 --> 01:24:28,622 My perspective? 1372 01:24:29,658 --> 01:24:32,021 Would it be company money that was used? 1373 01:24:33,596 --> 01:24:36,993 You wrote that we're from the same tiny world. 1374 01:24:37,028 --> 01:24:38,335 Yeah. 1375 01:24:38,370 --> 01:24:40,403 Summers at bungalows in the Catskills. 1376 01:24:40,438 --> 01:24:43,032 Meals at Lefty's and Pop-Ins. 1377 01:24:43,067 --> 01:24:46,035 What do you remember about those holidays? 1378 01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:49,346 Gosh, I remember so many things. 1379 01:24:49,381 --> 01:24:53,174 It's the first time I remember seeing my grandmother's arms bare. 1380 01:24:53,209 --> 01:24:58,014 I knew those tattoos meant something seismic. 1381 01:24:58,049 --> 01:24:59,884 Yeah, h-how did you know? 1382 01:24:59,919 --> 01:25:01,259 I just sensed it. 1383 01:25:01,294 --> 01:25:04,328 Did your family discuss it? 1384 01:25:07,498 --> 01:25:10,268 Who else are you talking to? 1385 01:25:10,303 --> 01:25:12,600 I can't disclose that, Irwin. 1386 01:25:14,769 --> 01:25:18,067 You know, my parents, uh, they couldn't go there. 1387 01:25:18,102 --> 01:25:20,476 They rarely discussed it. 1388 01:25:21,743 --> 01:25:23,842 It's so mysterious, isn't it? 1389 01:25:24,647 --> 01:25:27,010 Why some families talk. 1390 01:25:27,045 --> 01:25:28,649 Some don't. 1391 01:25:30,246 --> 01:25:35,249 The money Weinstein was spending was, you know, crazy. 1392 01:25:35,284 --> 01:25:36,294 I tried. 1393 01:25:36,329 --> 01:25:40,958 I tried many times to get the board to do something about him, but they just kept 1394 01:25:40,993 --> 01:25:43,466 ignoring his behavior and keeping him on. 1395 01:25:43,501 --> 01:25:45,633 Why is that? 1396 01:25:46,537 --> 01:25:49,439 Have you talked to L.O.C.? 1397 01:25:49,474 --> 01:25:51,903 Or, uh, Z.P.? 1398 01:25:51,938 --> 01:25:54,169 Who is L.O.C.? 1399 01:25:54,204 --> 01:25:56,347 There was this memo. 1400 01:25:56,382 --> 01:25:59,449 Let me ask you something, Jodi, that's really puzzling me. 1401 01:25:59,484 --> 01:26:02,177 Why are you asking about the '90s 1402 01:26:02,212 --> 01:26:05,950 when Weinstein has committed so many more recent offenses? 1403 01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:09,723 I got to go. 1404 01:26:09,758 --> 01:26:12,022 - I'll give you a call. - Irwin. 1405 01:26:45,156 --> 01:26:47,123 Mom. 1406 01:26:47,158 --> 01:26:48,762 I had a nightmare. 1407 01:26:48,797 --> 01:26:51,897 Oh, honey, come here. 1408 01:26:57,542 --> 01:26:59,773 It's okay. It's okay. 1409 01:26:59,808 --> 01:27:03,744 I heard that Ambra Battilana Gutierrez just got a seven-figure settlement. 1410 01:27:03,779 --> 01:27:07,715 And that Weinstein now owns the audio of the incident? 1411 01:27:08,982 --> 01:27:12,148 These settlements, Lanny... 1412 01:27:12,183 --> 01:27:13,655 what are we talking? 1413 01:27:14,889 --> 01:27:17,186 I can't tell you that, Megan. 1414 01:27:17,221 --> 01:27:18,627 You know that. 1415 01:27:18,662 --> 01:27:20,200 I'm not talking about naming you, of course. 1416 01:27:20,224 --> 01:27:25,260 It would just be great for background to know a number 1417 01:27:25,295 --> 01:27:28,164 of the other settlements that you're aware of. 1418 01:27:28,969 --> 01:27:31,332 - I'm not a bad guy here. - I know that. 1419 01:27:31,367 --> 01:27:36,579 My profession is to get the facts into the hands of reporters, but... 1420 01:27:36,614 --> 01:27:39,483 you know, I can't help. 1421 01:27:41,982 --> 01:27:44,950 I keep getting 40 in my head. 1422 01:27:46,085 --> 01:27:48,822 Which would be ridiculous, right? 1423 01:27:51,321 --> 01:27:53,057 Right? 1424 01:27:56,161 --> 01:27:57,567 It's not 40. 1425 01:27:59,868 --> 01:28:03,672 Seriously, it's-it's, uh, less than 40. 1426 01:28:03,707 --> 01:28:05,674 Good. That's a relief. 1427 01:28:05,709 --> 01:28:07,269 Sure. 1428 01:28:09,207 --> 01:28:11,207 So... 1429 01:28:12,012 --> 01:28:16,014 less than half of 40, then? 1430 01:28:16,049 --> 01:28:16,949 Check. 1431 01:28:16,984 --> 01:28:18,456 Oh, and what the fuck, Lanny? 1432 01:28:18,491 --> 01:28:21,052 We heard that Ronan Farrow is working on a story. 1433 01:28:21,087 --> 01:28:22,119 No, no. 1434 01:28:22,154 --> 01:28:24,957 That is done. Over. 1435 01:28:26,565 --> 01:28:29,126 I don't see you as a bad guy, Lanny. 1436 01:28:29,931 --> 01:28:32,503 I-I don't. I never have. I respect you. 1437 01:28:32,538 --> 01:28:34,131 Uh, I respect you. 1438 01:28:39,072 --> 01:28:42,271 This is all gonna come out, Lanny. 1439 01:28:42,306 --> 01:28:44,273 Publicly. 1440 01:28:44,308 --> 01:28:45,648 Generally does. 1441 01:28:47,784 --> 01:28:49,916 Okay. 1442 01:28:51,722 --> 01:28:54,525 Wh... What am I laughing about? 1443 01:28:56,452 --> 01:28:59,761 Oh, Megan. 1444 01:29:00,698 --> 01:29:02,093 Lanny. 1445 01:29:10,741 --> 01:29:12,972 I'd say eight to 12 settlements. 1446 01:29:25,855 --> 01:29:28,757 And do you think that's normal? 1447 01:29:28,792 --> 01:29:30,924 For men to make so many payoffs? 1448 01:29:36,228 --> 01:29:38,998 I do. Yeah. 1449 01:29:42,498 --> 01:29:45,070 It feels like we're so close. 1450 01:29:45,105 --> 01:29:49,041 Do you think we'll get it? What if we don't? 1451 01:29:49,076 --> 01:29:50,779 I'm having nightmares about him. 1452 01:29:50,814 --> 01:29:53,650 - Oh, my God. I have them, too. - Yeah? 1453 01:29:53,685 --> 01:29:58,886 I'm terrified we know all this and we might go to our graves knowing it. 1454 01:29:58,921 --> 01:30:00,481 The story will run. 1455 01:30:00,516 --> 01:30:03,990 My worry is people won't care. 1456 01:30:04,025 --> 01:30:07,224 And he won't even be slowed down, let alone stopped. 1457 01:30:07,259 --> 01:30:09,699 It's like an ocean of wrongdoing. 1458 01:30:09,734 --> 01:30:14,638 I mean, can you imagine how many Harveys there are out there, every day? 1459 01:30:14,673 --> 01:30:16,904 I sometimes wonder... 1460 01:30:19,535 --> 01:30:23,240 when I had Mira, if... 1461 01:30:24,441 --> 01:30:28,344 if all the trauma, not just in me but in... 1462 01:30:28,379 --> 01:30:31,886 but in all w-women I talked to, if it just... 1463 01:30:31,921 --> 01:30:36,891 this darkness, this constant violence, if it just sort of imploded. 1464 01:30:37,828 --> 01:30:42,666 Maybe-maybe that's part of the depression that hits women. 1465 01:30:46,232 --> 01:30:49,365 Do you wish you hadn't signed up for this story? 1466 01:30:51,171 --> 01:30:52,973 Do you? 1467 01:30:54,471 --> 01:30:55,536 No. 1468 01:30:55,571 --> 01:30:57,846 No. 1469 01:31:04,217 --> 01:31:08,824 The last time we met, you mentioned a memo? 1470 01:31:16,064 --> 01:31:21,529 It was, uh, from an ex-executive, and it was extensive, scathing. 1471 01:31:21,564 --> 01:31:23,069 She sent it to the board. 1472 01:31:23,104 --> 01:31:25,434 When was this? How did they react? 1473 01:31:25,469 --> 01:31:29,570 Oh, it was a short burst of behind-doors mayhem, and then she left. 1474 01:31:29,605 --> 01:31:31,979 What did her memo say? 1475 01:31:32,014 --> 01:31:34,311 That the company was a toxic environment. 1476 01:31:36,612 --> 01:31:38,282 Would anyone have a copy? 1477 01:31:45,324 --> 01:31:46,895 Hey. 1478 01:31:48,030 --> 01:31:50,866 - Sorry it's so late. - Mm. 1479 01:31:53,398 --> 01:31:55,563 You okay? 1480 01:31:55,598 --> 01:31:57,675 Uh, Talia was up late. 1481 01:31:57,710 --> 01:31:59,138 Violet woke up twice. 1482 01:31:59,173 --> 01:32:01,503 I have an inbox filled with enraged people 1483 01:32:01,538 --> 01:32:04,913 about this insurance story, which is going to be huge. 1484 01:32:04,948 --> 01:32:09,951 There's already hundreds of emails here, and there is... 1485 01:32:09,986 --> 01:32:12,217 a hurricane heading towards Florida. 1486 01:32:12,252 --> 01:32:16,188 So, I am going to somehow fly down there and move my dad someplace else 1487 01:32:16,223 --> 01:32:18,256 before he is literally blown away. 1488 01:32:18,291 --> 01:32:21,622 And I have a slight nervous twitch in my eye. 1489 01:32:21,657 --> 01:32:23,360 Let me see. 1490 01:32:31,876 --> 01:32:33,535 - Hey. Hey. - Come here, Crabby. 1491 01:32:33,570 --> 01:32:35,779 Get that raisin. Holly? 1492 01:32:35,814 --> 01:32:37,572 Slow down! 1493 01:32:37,607 --> 01:32:39,981 Um, here. Will you hold Crabby for a second? 1494 01:32:40,016 --> 01:32:41,411 Least they're having fun. 1495 01:32:42,645 --> 01:32:44,282 Hi. This is Jodi Kantor. 1496 01:32:44,317 --> 01:32:45,987 This is Rowena Chiu. 1497 01:32:46,022 --> 01:32:47,824 I'm in New York. 1498 01:32:47,859 --> 01:32:49,991 Do you still want to meet up? 1499 01:32:50,829 --> 01:32:52,928 I couldn't tell anyone. 1500 01:32:52,963 --> 01:32:56,294 Not my parents, not even my husband. 1501 01:32:56,329 --> 01:32:58,065 Why not? 1502 01:32:59,167 --> 01:33:01,497 I grew up in an immigrant household. 1503 01:33:01,532 --> 01:33:04,236 I was taught to keep my head down, 1504 01:33:04,271 --> 01:33:08,108 work hard and not draw attention to myself, you know? 1505 01:33:08,143 --> 01:33:13,542 In Chinese culture, I felt I had to protect my family at all costs. 1506 01:33:13,577 --> 01:33:17,084 And I was young, scared. 1507 01:33:19,451 --> 01:33:22,892 Can you tell me anything about what happened in Venice? 1508 01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:28,095 This is off the record, yeah? 1509 01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:36,433 I had the evening shifts, going through notes on screenplays with Harvey. 1510 01:33:36,468 --> 01:33:42,307 One night, we were working, and he kept trying to touch me. 1511 01:33:42,342 --> 01:33:44,507 I didn't want to make him angry. 1512 01:33:44,542 --> 01:33:47,950 He's a very big man. 1513 01:33:47,985 --> 01:33:50,249 I kept trying to get back to the notes. 1514 01:33:50,284 --> 01:33:55,551 And that went on for a few hours, just trying to avoid him. 1515 01:33:55,586 --> 01:33:57,619 How did you do that? 1516 01:33:58,831 --> 01:34:01,623 I would just fight him off. 1517 01:34:02,791 --> 01:34:08,762 I'd worn two pairs of tights to buy me some time if I ever needed it. 1518 01:34:08,797 --> 01:34:11,600 But finally, 1519 01:34:11,635 --> 01:34:14,944 he held me down. 1520 01:34:14,979 --> 01:34:18,948 Not forcefully, but like it was a game. 1521 01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:24,481 Then he parted my legs, 1522 01:34:24,516 --> 01:34:26,417 and he said... 1523 01:34:27,552 --> 01:34:31,961 "Please, just one thrust, and it'll all be over." 1524 01:34:35,901 --> 01:34:37,131 I got away. 1525 01:34:37,166 --> 01:34:39,100 I was traumatized. 1526 01:34:39,135 --> 01:34:40,398 I was a Christian. 1527 01:34:40,433 --> 01:34:43,203 I was still with my first boyfriend. 1528 01:34:43,238 --> 01:34:45,700 And you shared this with Zelda? 1529 01:34:45,735 --> 01:34:51,145 Zelda was completely enraged and very brave in facing him. 1530 01:34:51,180 --> 01:34:52,674 We both resigned. 1531 01:34:54,678 --> 01:34:57,811 But I couldn't get a new job after leaving Miramax. 1532 01:34:57,846 --> 01:35:01,353 Everyone kept saying, if I worked for Harvey, why would I leave? 1533 01:35:02,785 --> 01:35:07,755 The NDA that we signed, it stipulated that if I ever had trouble 1534 01:35:07,790 --> 01:35:11,660 getting a job in film again, I was to go back to Harvey 1535 01:35:11,695 --> 01:35:14,069 or his lawyer Hutensky for help. 1536 01:35:14,863 --> 01:35:18,073 I asked them for a reference, 1537 01:35:18,108 --> 01:35:22,407 and Hutensky, he kept repeating... 1538 01:35:24,609 --> 01:35:26,708 What? What was he saying? 1539 01:35:29,284 --> 01:35:32,648 How much Harvey valued me. 1540 01:35:36,357 --> 01:35:39,688 We agreed I would return to Miramax 1541 01:35:39,723 --> 01:35:43,131 under strict conditions. 1542 01:35:44,167 --> 01:35:48,334 So I signed for Hong Kong. 1543 01:35:48,369 --> 01:35:51,865 I thought he would be far enough away. 1544 01:35:51,900 --> 01:35:53,603 I thought I'd be okay. 1545 01:35:56,047 --> 01:35:58,377 But it was horrible. 1546 01:35:59,182 --> 01:36:00,709 I was a mess. 1547 01:36:00,744 --> 01:36:04,482 I felt incredibly alone. 1548 01:36:04,517 --> 01:36:06,682 I couldn't tell anyone about I, 1549 01:36:06,717 --> 01:36:11,324 and the isolation just ate into me. 1550 01:36:19,532 --> 01:36:22,269 One day, I disappeared from work. 1551 01:36:24,009 --> 01:36:26,207 I wanted to be dead. 1552 01:36:26,979 --> 01:36:29,540 I didn't know how to be, 1553 01:36:29,575 --> 01:36:33,181 how to keep going, living with it. 1554 01:36:34,712 --> 01:36:40,320 I tried to kill myself, but I didn't know how. 1555 01:36:42,060 --> 01:36:44,588 I felt I failed at even that. 1556 01:36:48,858 --> 01:36:50,891 I want to give you this. 1557 01:36:51,696 --> 01:36:56,369 It's a description from an actress you would know and recognize. 1558 01:37:00,606 --> 01:37:02,144 Mm. 1559 01:37:11,815 --> 01:37:13,155 What? 1560 01:37:13,190 --> 01:37:14,816 This person won't go on the record. 1561 01:37:14,851 --> 01:37:17,258 I can't put her in the story. 1562 01:37:23,794 --> 01:37:27,202 Uh... I-I didn't... 1563 01:37:27,237 --> 01:37:30,535 I-I didn't know anything like this. 1564 01:37:33,837 --> 01:37:36,937 I-I thought it was just e-extramarital bullshit. 1565 01:37:36,972 --> 01:37:39,214 It's not. 1566 01:38:05,308 --> 01:38:07,539 Do with it what you want. 1567 01:38:58,790 --> 01:39:03,331 They have seen not a single bit of aid or assistance, 1568 01:39:03,366 --> 01:39:05,795 and it's about 45 minutes' drive... 1569 01:39:05,830 --> 01:39:07,269 Shit. 1570 01:39:07,304 --> 01:39:08,666 This is it. 1571 01:39:09,438 --> 01:39:10,767 This is it. 1572 01:39:18,447 --> 01:39:22,647 For your records, November 3rd, 2015. 1573 01:39:22,682 --> 01:39:27,850 I have experienced repeated harassment and abuse from the head of this company. 1574 01:39:27,885 --> 01:39:32,888 I am a 28-year-old woman trying to make a living and a career. 1575 01:39:32,923 --> 01:39:34,461 I am a professional. 1576 01:39:34,496 --> 01:39:37,090 I am sexualized and diminished. 1577 01:39:37,125 --> 01:39:39,631 I have been fearful about speaking up, 1578 01:39:39,666 --> 01:39:43,239 but remaining silent is causing me great distress. 1579 01:39:43,274 --> 01:39:47,837 He told me, "I'm a bad boy, but what's important is that I'm honest about it." 1580 01:39:47,872 --> 01:39:51,445 He said the only thing I was good for was making babies. 1581 01:39:51,480 --> 01:39:56,516 An assistant told me Harvey made her give him a massage while he was naked. 1582 01:39:56,551 --> 01:39:59,750 It was horrible to see her so upset. 1583 01:39:59,785 --> 01:40:05,162 When I complained to their human resources executive, the response was, 1584 01:40:05,197 --> 01:40:09,056 "Let us know if he hits you or crosses a line physically." 1585 01:40:09,091 --> 01:40:14,468 Harvey Weinstein is a 64-year-old world-famous man, 1586 01:40:14,503 --> 01:40:16,129 and this is his company. 1587 01:40:16,164 --> 01:40:22,311 The balance of power is me zero, Harvey Weinstein ten. 1588 01:40:30,948 --> 01:40:32,145 Go write. 1589 01:40:32,180 --> 01:40:33,883 You've got the story. 1590 01:40:33,918 --> 01:40:35,665 Once we publish, everything else will come out. 1591 01:40:35,689 --> 01:40:39,405 And talk to Lauren O'Connor. - Yeah. - Get ahold of the Weinstein Company board 1592 01:40:39,429 --> 01:40:40,461 for their response. 1593 01:40:40,496 --> 01:40:42,089 Let me call Lance Maerov. 1594 01:40:42,124 --> 01:40:44,333 Write it. Let's get ready. 1595 01:40:46,997 --> 01:40:49,767 My client does not want to be named. 1596 01:40:49,802 --> 01:40:52,572 That memo was never for public distribution. 1597 01:40:52,607 --> 01:40:53,771 Lauren? 1598 01:40:53,806 --> 01:40:57,445 My client is here, but she's too upset to speak. 1599 01:40:57,480 --> 01:41:00,613 Lauren, I'm sorry this is difficult for you. 1600 01:41:00,648 --> 01:41:02,516 We're not gonna publish the whole memo. 1601 01:41:02,551 --> 01:41:04,749 And we will make it absolutely clear 1602 01:41:04,784 --> 01:41:08,082 you were not the source and that you declined to comment. 1603 01:41:08,117 --> 01:41:11,492 But we do intend to use your name for its credibility. 1604 01:41:11,527 --> 01:41:16,563 If you were a victim of sexual assault, we would absolutely keep your anonymity. 1605 01:41:16,598 --> 01:41:21,931 But as a witness to what went on, it would make this story much stronger to name you. 1606 01:41:21,966 --> 01:41:24,901 Hi, Lance. This is Megan Twohey from The New York Times. 1607 01:41:24,936 --> 01:41:28,344 We have a memo here from Lauren O'Connor to The Weinstein Company. 1608 01:41:28,379 --> 01:41:29,807 - What? Sh... - We want to know, 1609 01:41:29,842 --> 01:41:31,380 - what did you do about it? - Shit. 1610 01:41:31,415 --> 01:41:33,877 What did the board do about it? 1611 01:41:38,818 --> 01:41:40,554 Lance? 1612 01:41:40,589 --> 01:41:44,184 We did try to change things with the police complaint in 2015. 1613 01:41:44,219 --> 01:41:45,460 What about this memo? 1614 01:41:45,495 --> 01:41:46,857 It was there and then it was gone? 1615 01:41:46,892 --> 01:41:50,465 Look, we were all worried about Harvey's behavior. 1616 01:41:50,500 --> 01:41:52,632 Can I quote you, Lance? 1617 01:41:55,406 --> 01:41:58,638 Yes. Yes, you can. 1618 01:41:58,673 --> 01:42:01,377 So, Lauren's complaint? 1619 01:42:04,074 --> 01:42:07,647 It was withdrawn days after it was sent. 1620 01:42:07,682 --> 01:42:08,945 So, yeah, I let it go. 1621 01:42:08,980 --> 01:42:11,684 Well, why do you think it was withdrawn? 1622 01:42:11,719 --> 01:42:14,214 I really don't know why. 1623 01:42:14,249 --> 01:42:17,217 Look, are you sure that this isn't just young women 1624 01:42:17,252 --> 01:42:21,529 who want to sleep with a movie producer to try to get ahead? 1625 01:42:21,564 --> 01:42:27,194 We have decades of allegations, accusations of harassment, assault, 1626 01:42:27,229 --> 01:42:29,768 rape and multiple settlements. 1627 01:42:32,069 --> 01:42:34,036 I know you're gonna need to speak to the board, 1628 01:42:34,071 --> 01:42:37,039 but could you wait until after the weekend? 1629 01:42:37,074 --> 01:42:39,382 Is that possible? 1630 01:42:41,881 --> 01:42:43,683 Okay. 1631 01:42:51,990 --> 01:42:55,090 Ashley, I know that ideally a lot of women 1632 01:42:55,125 --> 01:42:59,402 would be jumping together, but that's not what's happening. 1633 01:42:59,437 --> 01:43:03,901 But we do have a series of incidents and a predatory pattern. 1634 01:43:03,936 --> 01:43:05,837 You would be coming forward alone, 1635 01:43:05,872 --> 01:43:09,170 but you would be standing on a mountain of evidence. 1636 01:43:12,582 --> 01:43:14,142 Ashley? 1637 01:43:14,177 --> 01:43:18,146 Yes. I'll think about it very seriously, Jodi. 1638 01:43:18,181 --> 01:43:19,455 I promise. 1639 01:43:19,490 --> 01:43:21,314 Thank you, Ashley. 1640 01:43:24,462 --> 01:43:25,989 We go with what we have. 1641 01:43:26,024 --> 01:43:29,157 I know we need to be mindful of The New Yorker, 1642 01:43:29,192 --> 01:43:32,831 but couldn't we wait just a little longer, just-just for these women to commit? 1643 01:43:32,866 --> 01:43:34,635 No. We need to publish. 1644 01:43:34,670 --> 01:43:36,164 It's nothing like the whole story. 1645 01:43:36,199 --> 01:43:37,968 This can be the first arrow. 1646 01:43:38,003 --> 01:43:39,739 More women will come forward afterwards. 1647 01:43:39,774 --> 01:43:42,676 It could be so much stronger, Dean. 1648 01:43:42,711 --> 01:43:45,107 It's solid. 1649 01:43:45,142 --> 01:43:46,680 We need to go. 1650 01:43:46,715 --> 01:43:50,343 How much time will we give Weinstein to respond? 1651 01:43:50,378 --> 01:43:52,554 - 24 hours? - I'd double it. 1652 01:43:52,589 --> 01:43:53,885 48 hours. 1653 01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:55,953 - That's fair. - Two days? 1654 01:43:55,988 --> 01:44:00,155 How many people could Harvey and his team talk to in that amount of time? 1655 01:44:01,158 --> 01:44:02,355 David? 1656 01:44:02,390 --> 01:44:03,862 I'd go with Rebecca. 1657 01:44:03,897 --> 01:44:06,502 We want to be irreproachable from the legal side. 1658 01:44:06,537 --> 01:44:08,603 Good. Let's call Lanny. 1659 01:44:08,638 --> 01:44:11,573 We'll ask to speak to Harvey and his team at 1:00 tomorrow. 1660 01:44:11,608 --> 01:44:14,840 We'll tell them what we have and give him, um, 1661 01:44:14,875 --> 01:44:17,942 two days to respond or refute. 1662 01:44:27,756 --> 01:44:30,218 It's midnight. Go home. 1663 01:44:30,253 --> 01:44:32,220 - We will. - Good night. 1664 01:44:50,548 --> 01:44:53,648 If just one of the women would have gone on the record... 1665 01:44:53,683 --> 01:44:55,914 Why is he taking the tunnel? 1666 01:44:57,654 --> 01:44:59,654 We just needed one woman. 1667 01:44:59,689 --> 01:45:02,184 Jodi, stop it. 1668 01:45:02,219 --> 01:45:03,251 Let it go. 1669 01:45:09,457 --> 01:45:13,668 Maybe if we had been able to get them all into a room together. 1670 01:45:14,429 --> 01:45:16,066 A room would make no difference. 1671 01:45:17,399 --> 01:45:20,840 They don't want to go on the record by themselves. 1672 01:45:22,580 --> 01:45:24,173 Would you want to? 1673 01:45:42,699 --> 01:45:44,699 Hi. 1674 01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:49,165 You. Hi. 1675 01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:51,266 Hi. 1676 01:46:03,412 --> 01:46:05,852 It's been two fucking hours. 1677 01:46:06,855 --> 01:46:11,220 It's a tactic, but I have things to do. 1678 01:46:23,300 --> 01:46:25,201 - Hello? - Dean? 1679 01:46:25,236 --> 01:46:29,370 I have Harvey Weinstein and his lawyer Charles Harder for you. 1680 01:46:29,405 --> 01:46:31,845 Okay, let's go, team. 1681 01:46:31,880 --> 01:46:34,111 - You ready? - We're ready. 1682 01:46:35,444 --> 01:46:37,246 Put them through. 1683 01:46:40,658 --> 01:46:42,218 Harvey? 1684 01:46:42,253 --> 01:46:43,450 Charles? 1685 01:46:43,485 --> 01:46:45,254 Dean. 1686 01:46:45,289 --> 01:46:47,289 How do you want to do this, Harvey? 1687 01:46:47,324 --> 01:46:49,665 I don't want to do this is what I want. 1688 01:46:49,700 --> 01:46:52,228 Are they there? The reporters? 1689 01:46:52,263 --> 01:46:53,933 We're all here. 1690 01:46:53,968 --> 01:46:56,738 Who have you talked to? 1691 01:46:56,773 --> 01:46:59,576 We've sent you who we're covering, Harvey. 1692 01:46:59,611 --> 01:47:01,336 Who have you talked to? 1693 01:47:05,309 --> 01:47:06,913 Harvey, we need some... 1694 01:47:06,948 --> 01:47:08,310 Are you talking to Gwyneth Paltrow? 1695 01:47:08,345 --> 01:47:10,950 Gwyneth's not in the story, Harvey. 1696 01:47:10,985 --> 01:47:15,020 Why don't you tell me who's on the record and let me respond to that? 1697 01:47:15,055 --> 01:47:16,824 Yeah. 1698 01:47:17,761 --> 01:47:22,423 Harvey, how many settlements have you paid out over the years? 1699 01:47:22,458 --> 01:47:24,392 We were told eight to 12. 1700 01:47:24,427 --> 01:47:27,098 That's you talking. That's not me talking. 1701 01:47:27,133 --> 01:47:31,971 If Lanny spoke, he spoke for himself and not on behalf of his client. 1702 01:47:35,504 --> 01:47:38,340 How much time are you giving us to respond? 1703 01:47:38,375 --> 01:47:40,243 We need two weeks. 1704 01:47:41,477 --> 01:47:42,949 You'll have two days. 1705 01:47:42,984 --> 01:47:44,445 This goes back to the '90s. 1706 01:47:44,480 --> 01:47:48,790 If you mess up and don't tell the truth, how do you look yourself in the eye? 1707 01:47:48,825 --> 01:47:52,255 It's been 90 minutes, Harvey, and we're gonna wrap it up now. 1708 01:48:21,121 --> 01:48:23,792 Harvey's just disputed Lanny's eight to 12. 1709 01:48:23,827 --> 01:48:25,222 We have to have corroboration. 1710 01:48:25,257 --> 01:48:27,961 Eight to 12 settlements has to be backed up. 1711 01:48:27,996 --> 01:48:31,833 Who can you call at the company? - I'll ask David Glasser. 1712 01:48:31,868 --> 01:48:33,395 It's Ashley. 1713 01:48:34,937 --> 01:48:36,904 Pick up. Answer it. 1714 01:48:36,939 --> 01:48:39,005 I am. I am. 1715 01:48:41,273 --> 01:48:43,471 Ashley. 1716 01:48:43,506 --> 01:48:44,945 How are you? 1717 01:48:44,980 --> 01:48:46,474 I'm good. Yeah. I'm good. 1718 01:48:46,509 --> 01:48:48,113 I just went for a run. 1719 01:48:48,148 --> 01:48:49,543 That's great. That's great. 1720 01:48:49,578 --> 01:48:51,116 Running is good. 1721 01:48:52,053 --> 01:48:54,724 I talked to my lawyer, and I've been thinking about 1722 01:48:54,759 --> 01:48:56,616 what the right thing to do is. 1723 01:48:56,651 --> 01:48:58,585 Yeah. Of course. 1724 01:48:58,620 --> 01:48:59,993 Of course. 1725 01:49:03,130 --> 01:49:04,263 And? 1726 01:49:06,661 --> 01:49:09,970 I'm prepared to be a named source in your investigation. 1727 01:49:11,336 --> 01:49:12,533 I have to. 1728 01:49:13,569 --> 01:49:15,404 As a woman and a Christian. 1729 01:49:22,314 --> 01:49:24,314 Jodi? 1730 01:49:25,317 --> 01:49:26,151 Yes. 1731 01:49:26,186 --> 01:49:28,186 We'll speak soon. 1732 01:49:30,157 --> 01:49:31,387 Yes. 1733 01:49:31,422 --> 01:49:33,389 Ashley, thank you. 1734 01:49:33,424 --> 01:49:35,160 Thank you. 1735 01:49:36,724 --> 01:49:38,592 Ashley said yes. 1736 01:49:38,627 --> 01:49:40,132 She said yes. 1737 01:49:42,873 --> 01:49:43,938 Ashley said yes. 1738 01:49:43,973 --> 01:49:45,940 She did, Jodi. She did. 1739 01:49:45,975 --> 01:49:47,568 Okay. 1740 01:49:47,603 --> 01:49:49,570 Here we go with the whole damn story. 1741 01:49:49,605 --> 01:49:53,145 The lede is Ashley Judd's account of the Peninsula suite. 1742 01:49:53,180 --> 01:49:55,147 Get a good Judd quote to end the section. 1743 01:49:55,182 --> 01:49:56,709 - I'm on it. - We publish 1744 01:49:56,744 --> 01:49:59,822 as soon as the piece is in good shape. Let's go. 1745 01:50:37,994 --> 01:50:39,719 - Hello? - Hi, David. 1746 01:50:39,754 --> 01:50:41,622 This is Megan Twohey from The New York Times. 1747 01:50:41,657 --> 01:50:45,164 I thought it was fair to give you, as company president, a chance to comment. 1748 01:50:45,199 --> 01:50:46,935 Are you up to speed with everything? 1749 01:50:48,367 --> 01:50:49,564 I am. 1750 01:50:49,599 --> 01:50:52,501 The board had an emergency conference call. 1751 01:50:52,536 --> 01:50:56,175 David, the eight to 12 settlements, we have conflicting reports. 1752 01:50:56,210 --> 01:50:58,023 We don't need to name you, but would you confirm for me 1753 01:50:58,047 --> 01:50:59,981 that eight to 12 is accurate? 1754 01:51:00,016 --> 01:51:00,982 How many? 1755 01:51:01,017 --> 01:51:02,643 Eight to 12. 1756 01:51:02,678 --> 01:51:04,480 Are we safe using that figure? 1757 01:51:07,089 --> 01:51:09,056 Eight to 12. 1758 01:51:11,555 --> 01:51:13,621 Uh, yeah. Yes. That's, uh, accurate. 1759 01:51:13,656 --> 01:51:16,558 I appreciate it, David. Thank you. 1760 01:51:38,956 --> 01:51:42,188 David Glasser says yes to eight to 12 settlements. 1761 01:51:46,128 --> 01:51:47,589 It's not enough time. 1762 01:51:47,624 --> 01:51:49,041 - And it's not just me here. - Right. Yeah. 1763 01:51:49,065 --> 01:51:50,394 You must know that, right? 1764 01:51:50,429 --> 01:51:52,594 Yeah. I understand it's difficult. 1765 01:51:52,629 --> 01:51:54,299 What's happening? Is Harvey on the phone? 1766 01:51:54,334 --> 01:51:57,269 It's Lanny. Weinstein is refusing to give a response. 1767 01:51:57,304 --> 01:51:58,633 - Okay. - Right? 1768 01:51:58,668 --> 01:52:00,800 Yeah. No, Lanny, I hear you. 1769 01:52:00,835 --> 01:52:03,737 Listen, I can't pull a rabbit out of a hat here. 1770 01:52:03,772 --> 01:52:06,146 We need more time. Here's the thing, Megan... 1771 01:52:06,181 --> 01:52:07,675 Lanny, I'm sick of this shit. 1772 01:52:07,710 --> 01:52:09,523 You've got five different lawyers reaching out to us. 1773 01:52:09,547 --> 01:52:11,514 We're not talking to five different lawyers. 1774 01:52:11,549 --> 01:52:15,650 Get your people in line and get back to us with your response. 1775 01:52:22,593 --> 01:52:24,593 This is not a response. This is a novel. 1776 01:52:24,628 --> 01:52:27,695 They call the women liars and the journalism false. 1777 01:52:27,730 --> 01:52:29,466 It's legalistic bullying. 1778 01:52:29,501 --> 01:52:32,040 I sent back three paragraphs to counter their 18 pages. 1779 01:52:32,075 --> 01:52:35,604 I've asked for their data, and I invite them to court. 1780 01:52:35,639 --> 01:52:37,914 Uh, let's see how long before they get back to us. 1781 01:52:40,050 --> 01:52:41,478 Waiting time's up. 1782 01:52:41,513 --> 01:52:43,810 Weinstein wants to meet. He's on his way here. 1783 01:52:43,845 --> 01:52:45,515 Do we let him in? 1784 01:52:48,685 --> 01:52:50,520 Let him in. 1785 01:52:50,555 --> 01:52:52,324 I've got this. 1786 01:53:02,105 --> 01:53:03,269 - Hi, Lisa. - Hi. 1787 01:53:03,304 --> 01:53:04,864 - Is this everyone? - Yeah. 1788 01:53:04,899 --> 01:53:06,503 Okay, follow me. 1789 01:53:10,982 --> 01:53:12,608 That's what you're gonna do. 1790 01:53:12,643 --> 01:53:14,577 We have the folders. We've got evidence. 1791 01:53:14,612 --> 01:53:16,513 - You're a good writer, Megan. - Here you go. 1792 01:53:16,548 --> 01:53:19,318 Are you really willing to stake your reputation on this story? 1793 01:53:19,353 --> 01:53:20,814 And he's smiling at her. 1794 01:53:20,849 --> 01:53:22,816 Would you be smiling if this had happened to you? 1795 01:53:22,851 --> 01:53:26,094 None of these women are credible witnesses. 1796 01:53:26,129 --> 01:53:28,492 - Nothing but thieves. - She's a nut. 1797 01:53:28,527 --> 01:53:30,692 She's a shakedown artist. 1798 01:54:00,625 --> 01:54:02,955 Is it there? Is it online? 1799 01:54:02,990 --> 01:54:04,264 Yes. They have it, too. 1800 01:54:04,299 --> 01:54:05,694 So it's in both. 1801 01:54:07,071 --> 01:54:09,104 What happened? 1802 01:54:09,898 --> 01:54:11,469 What you'd expect. 1803 01:54:11,504 --> 01:54:13,306 Trying to discredit the actresses. 1804 01:54:13,341 --> 01:54:14,538 What's wrong? 1805 01:54:14,573 --> 01:54:19,444 Harvey and his team have spoken to Variety and Hollywood Reporter. 1806 01:54:19,479 --> 01:54:21,809 - What? - About us and the story. 1807 01:54:21,844 --> 01:54:24,086 He claims to be surprised by it. 1808 01:54:25,254 --> 01:54:26,814 This is bad. 1809 01:54:28,059 --> 01:54:29,817 You have to write fast. 1810 01:54:29,852 --> 01:54:31,093 We've just lost any privacy. 1811 01:54:32,756 --> 01:54:34,723 Let me see the lede. 1812 01:54:41,963 --> 01:54:44,469 No, I think that we have to lead with this. 1813 01:54:44,504 --> 01:54:46,405 So that has to be at the top of the paragraph. 1814 01:54:46,440 --> 01:54:47,967 I think it's fine as two, don't you? 1815 01:54:48,002 --> 01:54:49,342 I think it's right. 1816 01:54:51,247 --> 01:54:53,841 Go home. I'll check this. 1817 01:54:55,845 --> 01:54:57,086 Really? 1818 01:55:15,832 --> 01:55:17,799 And they're really appealing to people. 1819 01:55:17,834 --> 01:55:20,307 If you know anything, please come forward. 1820 01:55:32,651 --> 01:55:34,618 Why shouldn't I just do 1821 01:55:34,653 --> 01:55:37,225 a fucking interview right now with The Washington Post 1822 01:55:37,260 --> 01:55:39,425 based on your lack of transparency? 1823 01:55:39,460 --> 01:55:41,625 You want some sort of list of who we're talking to 1824 01:55:41,660 --> 01:55:45,530 for this story, and if we don't disclose it to you, you're threatening us? 1825 01:55:45,565 --> 01:55:47,994 If you're using Gwyneth Paltrow, tell me. 1826 01:55:48,029 --> 01:55:49,831 We're not using Gwyneth Paltrow. 1827 01:55:49,866 --> 01:55:52,702 Are you talking to Gwyneth Paltrow? 1828 01:55:53,705 --> 01:55:55,672 Hey, Harvey, this is Dean. Here's the deal. 1829 01:55:55,707 --> 01:55:57,223 You need to give us your statement now. 1830 01:55:57,247 --> 01:55:58,840 I'm about to push the button. 1831 01:55:58,875 --> 01:56:01,348 Dean, let me tell you something about intimidation. 1832 01:56:01,383 --> 01:56:03,075 I'll talk to The Post. I will. 1833 01:56:03,110 --> 01:56:04,648 Call them. That's fine. 1834 01:56:04,683 --> 01:56:06,287 You can call The Post. 1835 01:56:06,322 --> 01:56:08,256 Harvey, I'm trying to be fair with you. 1836 01:56:08,291 --> 01:56:09,719 You are intimidating me, Dean. 1837 01:56:09,754 --> 01:56:11,194 No, I'm trying to get your statement. 1838 01:56:11,228 --> 01:56:12,920 Please give it to us now. 1839 01:56:12,955 --> 01:56:14,625 We're about to publish. 1840 01:56:14,660 --> 01:56:17,133 - I want to give it to you. - Thank you. 1841 01:56:17,168 --> 01:56:18,497 Is Gwyneth in it? 1842 01:56:18,532 --> 01:56:19,938 She's not in the story. 1843 01:56:19,962 --> 01:56:22,963 So here's what we need to do, Harvey. 1844 01:56:22,998 --> 01:56:26,406 We want to give you every word that you want to say. 1845 01:56:26,441 --> 01:56:27,935 So say it. 1846 01:56:27,970 --> 01:56:29,871 I also have a newspaper to put out. 1847 01:56:29,906 --> 01:56:31,213 I'm gonna walk out. 1848 01:56:31,248 --> 01:56:34,150 Talk to my reporters. Take care. 1849 01:56:34,185 --> 01:56:35,547 Good luck. 1850 01:56:35,582 --> 01:56:38,011 You have a reckless disregard for the truth. 1851 01:56:38,046 --> 01:56:42,048 You want a-a hit story, and these allegations are false. 1852 01:56:42,083 --> 01:56:44,259 We don't want a hit story, Lisa. 1853 01:56:44,294 --> 01:56:48,230 Harvey's going to take some time off to focus on this issue. 1854 01:56:49,299 --> 01:56:51,024 Are you, Harvey? 1855 01:56:51,059 --> 01:56:54,302 Yes. I'm gonna take time off. 1856 01:56:54,337 --> 01:56:56,370 From the company? 1857 01:56:56,405 --> 01:56:59,274 Yes. I want to spend some time learning. 1858 01:56:59,309 --> 01:57:00,869 Learning and listening to me. 1859 01:57:00,904 --> 01:57:03,278 He's going to take a leave of absence. 1860 01:57:03,313 --> 01:57:05,742 Double space here. 1861 01:57:05,777 --> 01:57:08,008 And here. 1862 01:57:08,043 --> 01:57:09,812 It's Laura. 1863 01:57:10,980 --> 01:57:12,254 Perfect. 1864 01:57:12,289 --> 01:57:14,850 Hi. Laura, how are you? 1865 01:57:14,885 --> 01:57:18,392 Yes, I'm okay. 1866 01:57:18,427 --> 01:57:21,527 Today's my surgery. I'm about to go in. 1867 01:57:21,562 --> 01:57:26,598 Um, look, I never signed any contract. 1868 01:57:26,633 --> 01:57:30,437 I'm not gagged, and I want to speak out 1869 01:57:30,472 --> 01:57:33,000 on behalf of the women who can't. 1870 01:57:34,003 --> 01:57:36,509 I have three daughters, and I don't want them 1871 01:57:36,544 --> 01:57:39,743 to ever accept abuse or bullying as normal. 1872 01:57:40,878 --> 01:57:43,483 You can use anything I've said. 1873 01:57:43,518 --> 01:57:46,354 I'll do it. 1874 01:57:46,389 --> 01:57:48,686 I'll go on the record. 1875 01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:52,327 Thank you, Laura. 1876 01:57:53,264 --> 01:57:56,023 Thank you. 1877 01:57:56,058 --> 01:57:58,300 I'll be thinking of you. 1878 01:58:07,938 --> 01:58:09,707 Oh, Laura. 1879 01:58:09,742 --> 01:58:12,204 Oh, beautiful, beautiful Laura. 1880 01:58:25,428 --> 01:58:26,625 Are you okay, Laura? 1881 01:58:26,660 --> 01:58:29,265 Yes. I'm fine. 1882 01:58:29,300 --> 01:58:32,191 Thank you. 1883 01:58:32,226 --> 01:58:34,193 I really am. 1884 01:59:50,304 --> 01:59:53,173 The statements are in. I'm pulling quotes. 1885 01:59:54,517 --> 01:59:56,044 Yep. 1886 01:59:59,621 --> 02:00:01,819 So, do you... Okay. You're so good. 1887 02:00:21,302 --> 02:00:22,708 Have you pulled the quotes? 1888 02:00:22,743 --> 02:00:24,974 I'm doing it now. 1889 02:00:39,056 --> 02:00:40,957 It's ready to go. 1890 02:00:41,762 --> 02:00:44,928 Let's read it together one last time. 1891 02:01:19,426 --> 02:01:21,701 - Yeah. - One second. 1892 02:01:26,169 --> 02:01:27,300 Yeah. 1893 02:01:27,335 --> 02:01:28,972 Okay? 1894 02:01:31,240 --> 02:01:32,646 Okay? 1895 02:01:34,848 --> 02:01:36,210 - Yeah. - Okay.