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MAN: The Dodge Charger...

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the official car
of making a statement

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without saying
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Good evening,
and welcome to "Montague."

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I'm your host,
Franklin Montague.

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And today we're gonna
take a look

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at the growing outlook
of accepted sexuality

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and its effects
on black youth and culture.

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With us today, we have

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the Head of the Center
of Trans-American Issues,

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Dr. Debra Holt,

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and recording artist
Paper Boi.

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Good evening to you both.

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-Good evening, Montague.
-'Sup?

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Uh, let's start
at the beginning.

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Paper Boi, last Tuesday
you engaged in a Twitter rant

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that had some pretty
inflammatory statements.

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But the one statement
that seems to have made

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-the biggest impact...
-(sighs)

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Was this one and I quote,
"Y'all the..."

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N-words "who said I was weird
for not wanting to"

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F-word "Caitlyn Jenner."

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Would you want to, uh,
explain that statement?

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No.

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Well, could you
explain that statement?

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(blows)
I...

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meant what I said.

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You don't think
your tweets are transphobic?

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I just don't have to
have sex

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with Caitlyn Jenner
'cause y'all say so.

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Mm.
So you don't think

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-Caitlyn Jenner's important?
-(tsks)

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Look, I get what
y'all saying, right?

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But she's not
super important to me,

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like, not my life.

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So how long
have you disliked transpeople?

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Man, look,
I just found out they exist,

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-to be honest.
-I--No, no--

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"I make her switch sides,
Caitlyn Jenner in reverse"?

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Is that not a--
a lyric of yours?

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Man, I was just rapping, man.

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Look, I've said worse things.

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You ever heard my song,
"Illuminati Sex"?

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-Haven't heard it yet.
-Well, there we go then.

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Debra, you've written

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about this current phenomenon
in your book,

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Transition:
Gender in a New Generation.

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What do you think
about all this?

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I look at these statements as

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natural consequences
of a culture

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-of exclusion and power.
-Mm.

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You know, there's--
there's a large swath of...

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-(scoffs)
-Gender and sexuality roles

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that are just being exposed to
a large portion of the public.

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(chuckling)

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DEBRA: Uh, it's harder
for certain sections

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to deal with this transition

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uh, because of conflict
of interest,

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and, frankly, identity issues.

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In this case,
the rap community.

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Now, I truly believe
it's, uh,

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has more to do with issues
of masculinity

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in the black community
than actual

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homophobia or--or transphobia.

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-Please explain.
-Yes, please, please.

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Tell me--
tell me about myself.

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Go on.

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Well, Mis--Mister, uh, Pa--
Mr. Paper Boi--

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Mister, yeah.

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What would you
consider yourself?

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A rapper?

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A straight rapper?

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Hell yeah.

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Well, I did some research
on your lyrics,

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and they're actually
very pro sexual-spectrum.

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-Oh?
-Pro-what?

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"If I eff with you,
you my N-word,

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you my N-word for life."

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Yo, you know
that ain't what I meant.

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Yeah, oh, I understand,
but, you know,

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there's a layer of fluidity...

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No, no, no.
There's no extra layer.

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DEBRA: That you yourself
don't even realize.

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I don't think about
what I'm rapping half the time.

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Look, I'm just trying
to get paid,

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you feel me?
Look, (bleep),

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why you think
I'm on this show?

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You're not
getting paid for this.

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Hey--
Hey, Earn--man?

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Black men aren't ready
to accept the implications

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of a trans-accepting culture.

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No--look, I'm allowed
to say that it's weird.

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"It"?

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No, look, I'm not
calling him a "it."

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-Naw, I'm just saying that--
-"Him"?

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Look--look, can I say something?
Damn!

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FRANKLIN: All right.
-Well, it depends.

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-I was trying to say--
-We got to take a break.

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When we're back,
we're gonna take a look

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into a young boy's struggle
for equality.

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$1.49?

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But the price
on the can, though.

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The price
is on the can, though.

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MAN: The Dodge Charger.

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Make a statement without
saying anything at all.

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Earlier in our show,
we talked about

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transitions in sexuality.

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Uh, but what about race?

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Our correspondent,
Nathan Wielder,

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has the story.

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Harrison looks from the outside

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to be your average teenager.

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He goes to school,
plays video games,

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even listens to music
in his room.

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But there's one difference.

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I'm a 35-year-old white man.

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NATHAN: Harrison,
born Antwoine Smalls,

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has trans-racial identity,

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identifying as Harrison Booth,

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a 35-year-old white man
from Colorado.

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And when did you know
that you were a

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35-year-old white man?

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Well, I've always
felt different.

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I go to the store,
the movies,

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and just be thinking
to myself, like,

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"Why am I not getting
the respect I deserve?"

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And then,
it just hit me.

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I'm white...

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and 35.

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I just miss Colorado sometimes,
you know.

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Here, I pretend the buildings
are the old

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San Juan Mountain ranges but,
you know, the jobs is here.

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And where do you work?

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I'm a Systems Engineer
for Coca-Cola.

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Oh. Okay.

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That boy don't work.

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He go to school,
and that's it.

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-Mm-hmm.
-One day, he said,

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"Call me Harrison."

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I said, "Who's that?"

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He said, "Me."

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Do you believe
that he is a white man?

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I mean, he isn't.

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(bleep), I'd love
to wake up one day and say,

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"Hey, everybody,
I'm Rihanna."

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But I ain't.

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It's been pretty hard.

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My family just doesn't get it.

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You know, I try to get them
to go out with me,

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go on walks,
go to the farmers market,

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chat with people,
but...yeah.

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So why don't you think
that they get it?

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I don't think
they get it because

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they don't realize that race
is just a made-up thing.

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Mm-hmm.

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They grew up
having labels, and me,

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I'm just--I'm just
not like that.

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I see.

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So how do you embrace
your identity?

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-I dress a certain way.
-Ah.

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Patagonia.

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I wear a thick,
brown leather belt.

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I like to envision myself
after the surgery.

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(clears throat)

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"Hey, excuse me,
what IPA do you have on tap?"

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"Hey, did you see
Game of Thrones last night?"

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Yeah.

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So your--
your surgery,

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that's later this year?

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Right.
I started working

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at Stonecrest Mall,
so hopefully

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by then I have enough money
to take the next step.

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Mm-hmm.

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So you work at Coca-Cola
and the mall?

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Right.
Correct, I work at both.

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NATHAN: Harrison
has been planning

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a full racial transition
with a Dr. Samuel Vergara

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who guarantees Harrison
can visually transition

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through an experimental
procedure

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that will allow Harrison
not only to be a white man

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but whatever race he chooses.

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The procedure's
absolutely 100% possible.

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He's gonna look weird though.

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NATHAN: But before Harrison
can fully realize

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his physical identity,
he still has the day-to-day

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that's filled with
discrimination and ridicule.

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It--it's pretty awful,
you know.

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You--you walk
in the streets,

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and black people, they see you,
they nod to you like,

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"Hey, good to see us."

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And it's to the point
where I've just given up.

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I've stopped trying
to convince them

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-that I'm not "us."
-Gotcha.

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Hey, excuse me,
this is definitely the guy.

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He doesn't even live
in the area.

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I've never seen him before.

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HARRISON: I think
we're taking slow strides,

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but you have to believe
things are getting better,

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otherwise,
you'll just die inside.

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Is there anything
you'd like to say to

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other black kids out there
who may be going through

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the same thing?

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Just be you.

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At all costs.

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But also,

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stop dressing so crazy.

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Hmm.

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(guitar music flourishes)

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Absolutely.

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Hi.

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I'm Devyonne Johnson,
famous movie star.

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and I get a quick five,

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you know I'm reaching
for the smooth taste

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of Swisher Sweets.

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(blows)

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Yeah...
(chuckles)

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I only smoke Swisher Sweets.

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It's the smooth taste.

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These Swisher Sweets
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this one's empty.

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Swisher Sweets.

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(mellow jazz music)

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*

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(theme music playing)

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And we're back.
And today we're talking about

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transitions with my guests,

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Atlanta rapper Paper Boi
and Dr. Debra Holt.

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Ah, Paper Boi, are you afraid
to speak your mind

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on this subject?

267
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Actually, yup, I am.

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You can't say real (bleep)
anymore without somebody

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trying to make sure
you never make money forever.

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FRANKLIN: So you think
you're being persecuted?

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Yes, I am.

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Man, you can't even say
"ho" in a song no more.

273
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(scoffs)
A travesty, I'm sure.

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-(chuckles)
ALFRED: Yo, why you--

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Yo, why you talk
like that?

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Like, "a travesty, I'm sur--"
like, what?

277
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You're--you're whining
about chickens

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-coming home to roost.
-No-no-no-no-no.

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Rap is chickens
coming home to roost.

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Look, my life is messed up
from (bleep) y'all did, okay?

281
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That's black news.
You can look that up.

282
00:11:55,315 --> 00:11:57,017
Well, your news
is problematic.

283
00:11:57,050 --> 00:11:58,852
-Bitch, that ain't my fault!
-Whoa, whoa, whoa!

284
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I won't have you on my show
calling anyone "bitches."

285
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How you gonna blame me
for news being bad, huh?

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FRANKLIN: All right,
simmer down, simmer down.

287
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You can't even have
an intelligent dialogue

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-without spewing profanities.
-(groans)

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-It's--it's ludicrous.
FRANKLIN: Okay, okay, okay.

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Paper Boi,
isn't a lack of a father

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the reason you hate transpeople?

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What?
Lack of a father?

293
00:12:14,667 --> 00:12:16,436
Man, you hear yourself?
(bleep), shut up.

294
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Man, here's the thing.

295
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Man, I--
it's hard for me to care

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about this when nobody
cares about me

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as a black human man,
you feel me?

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Like, Caitlyn Jenner
is just doing

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what rich white men been doing
since the dawn of time,

300
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which is whatever
the hell he want.

301
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So why should I care?
What make him so special?

302
00:12:30,784 --> 00:12:32,452
But--but as a black man
in this country,

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shouldn't you care about
the civil liberties of others,

304
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since they're
so closely related to--to

305
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your struggle for equality?

306
00:12:37,524 --> 00:12:39,292
What you talking 'bout?
I do care.

307
00:12:39,326 --> 00:12:41,228
Look, I don't have a problem
with gay people, transpeople,

308
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because that's tolerance,
but where's tolerance

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for people like me?
You know what I'm saying?

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Like...
(sighs) Look.

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I should be able
to say something is weird

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without people hating on me.
All right?

313
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Look, I never--
I never said anything

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about taking away
nobody's rights.

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A'ight? Never.

316
00:12:58,045 --> 00:12:59,479
I--I understand
what you're saying,

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but--but some people
found your remarks offensive.

318
00:13:01,882 --> 00:13:04,818
Yeah, well,
freedom of speech, (bleep).

319
00:13:06,053 --> 00:13:08,455
No, you're right.

320
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I agree.

321
00:13:15,028 --> 00:13:19,132
But your music is detrimental
to black teens.

322
00:13:19,166 --> 00:13:22,335
(scoffs) Yeah, but so is
all rap music, right?

323
00:13:22,369 --> 00:13:23,636
-I mean, and rock music...
-Rock.

324
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Before it was
taken over by rap.

325
00:13:25,005 --> 00:13:27,007
Yeah, I agree.

326
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You hate... women!

327
00:13:29,843 --> 00:13:30,978
(bleep), what?

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(theme music playing)

329
00:13:35,215 --> 00:13:37,217
Questions.

330
00:13:37,250 --> 00:13:39,186
The universe.

331
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Paternity tests?

332
00:13:41,521 --> 00:13:42,990
Salutations.

333
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(gentle music)

334
00:13:44,657 --> 00:13:47,027
Hi.
My name is Ahmad White.

335
00:13:47,060 --> 00:13:49,162
You may know me
from your dreams.

336
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Call this number below

337
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and get the answers
you deserve.

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(upbeat music)

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When I called Ahmad White,

340
00:13:55,535 --> 00:13:57,637
I was three months behind
on my car note.

341
00:13:57,670 --> 00:13:59,873
(scoffs) My stepson,
he was in jail.

342
00:13:59,907 --> 00:14:02,910
My life was in shambles!

343
00:14:02,943 --> 00:14:04,544
But now, I got a truck,

344
00:14:04,577 --> 00:14:07,314
I got a girlfriend,

345
00:14:07,347 --> 00:14:09,682
I got the answers I deserve.

346
00:14:09,716 --> 00:14:11,985
Thank you, Ahmad White.

347
00:14:12,019 --> 00:14:13,486
Most people don't realize

348
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their chakra's
in another universe.

349
00:14:16,289 --> 00:14:17,991
Don't be dumb.

350
00:14:18,025 --> 00:14:19,592
Call now.

351
00:14:19,626 --> 00:14:22,662
Me and Ahmad found out
I was a moon sign,

352
00:14:22,695 --> 00:14:25,165
and I wasn't getting enough
crystal in my diet.

353
00:14:25,198 --> 00:14:28,168
Now, I live
in a beautiful home.

354
00:14:28,201 --> 00:14:30,437
Ahmad gave me the answers
I was looking for.

355
00:14:30,470 --> 00:14:31,905
Come to our Liberty Center

356
00:14:31,939 --> 00:14:34,607
and get a free juice
and Nutella sandwich.

357
00:14:34,641 --> 00:14:37,911
When I called Ahmad,
my life was going nowhere fast.

358
00:14:37,945 --> 00:14:40,113
After a Nutella sandwich
and juice,

359
00:14:40,147 --> 00:14:42,115
my life's a lot better.

360
00:14:42,149 --> 00:14:45,285
(upbeat tone sustained)

361
00:14:45,318 --> 00:14:46,619
Open your third eye.

362
00:14:46,653 --> 00:14:48,255
He works.

363
00:14:48,288 --> 00:14:49,789
He just works.

364
00:14:49,822 --> 00:14:52,960
He works.
He really works.

365
00:14:52,993 --> 00:14:55,362
He works.
He really, really works.

366
00:14:55,395 --> 00:14:57,764
Knowledge is the path
to greatness.

367
00:14:57,797 --> 00:15:00,600
If you'd like to be
smart as a baby dolphin,

368
00:15:00,633 --> 00:15:02,235
call now.

369
00:15:02,269 --> 00:15:05,138
(ethereal music)

370
00:15:08,341 --> 00:15:11,311
(upbeat hip-hop instrumental
music)

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00:15:11,344 --> 00:15:13,313
*

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00:15:13,346 --> 00:15:15,015
(engine revs)

373
00:15:20,687 --> 00:15:22,222
That's a nice car.

374
00:15:22,255 --> 00:15:23,823
You know him?

375
00:15:23,856 --> 00:15:25,925
That's Victor Wallace.

376
00:15:25,959 --> 00:15:28,461
His wife left him
for his brother.

377
00:15:28,495 --> 00:15:30,463
Long court battle.

378
00:15:30,497 --> 00:15:32,732
Kids, house--

379
00:15:32,765 --> 00:15:35,135
It got messy.

380
00:15:35,168 --> 00:15:38,138
He ain't say one word
the whole trial.

381
00:15:38,171 --> 00:15:40,673
But then at the end,
he just stood up and said,

382
00:15:40,707 --> 00:15:43,676
"Leave me my Dodge Charger."

383
00:15:47,147 --> 00:15:49,482
He been driving around
this neighborhood

384
00:15:49,516 --> 00:15:51,351
in circles for a week.

385
00:15:51,384 --> 00:15:54,821
-Just waving.
-Mm.

386
00:15:54,854 --> 00:15:56,956
Nice car though.

387
00:15:56,990 --> 00:15:58,358
(nozzle fumbling)

388
00:15:58,391 --> 00:16:01,361
(upbeat hip-hop instrumental
music)

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00:16:01,394 --> 00:16:06,699
*

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00:16:06,733 --> 00:16:08,035
(tires screech)

391
00:16:08,068 --> 00:16:09,636
*

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MAN: The Dodge Charger.
Keep it in the divorce.

393
00:16:14,974 --> 00:16:17,344
(gasps)
King Coco's Crunch-O's.

394
00:16:17,377 --> 00:16:19,679
The legend is true!

395
00:16:19,712 --> 00:16:20,713
(creaking)

396
00:16:20,747 --> 00:16:22,549
Gimme that crunch!

397
00:16:22,582 --> 00:16:24,017
No!

398
00:16:24,051 --> 00:16:25,018
(grunts)

399
00:16:25,052 --> 00:16:26,286
Nice try.

400
00:16:26,319 --> 00:16:27,354
But only kids can have...

401
00:16:27,387 --> 00:16:29,556
all: Coconut Crunch-O's.

402
00:16:29,589 --> 00:16:31,691
WOLF: That chocolatey
coconut crunch

403
00:16:31,724 --> 00:16:33,526
in every bite.
(crunches)

404
00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,728
Oh, I can almost taste it!

405
00:16:35,762 --> 00:16:37,230
Bbbbbb!

406
00:16:37,264 --> 00:16:38,498
(train horn whistles)

407
00:16:38,531 --> 00:16:40,900
Oh, I got to have
them Crunch-O's!

408
00:16:40,933 --> 00:16:42,235
-(grunts)
-Ow! Ow!

409
00:16:42,269 --> 00:16:44,003
Man!
Ow!

410
00:16:44,037 --> 00:16:46,206
-Stop resisting.
-(pained groans)

411
00:16:46,239 --> 00:16:48,141
-Stop resisting, sir.
-(pained struggle) Damn!

412
00:16:48,175 --> 00:16:50,177
-Stop...resisting.
-Shit, man!

413
00:16:50,210 --> 00:16:52,312
Oh! Mother--
(grunts)

414
00:16:52,345 --> 00:16:53,513
Stay down.
(handcuffs click)

415
00:16:53,546 --> 00:16:54,714
What happened?

416
00:16:54,747 --> 00:16:55,915
He's going to jail.

417
00:16:55,948 --> 00:16:57,016
That's what happened.

418
00:16:57,050 --> 00:16:58,851
This is some bullshit!

419
00:16:58,885 --> 00:16:59,886
You all right?

420
00:16:59,919 --> 00:17:01,188
He's fine.

421
00:17:01,221 --> 00:17:03,156
He just doesn't wanna
go to jail.

422
00:17:03,190 --> 00:17:04,424
You sitting on my back, man!

423
00:17:04,457 --> 00:17:05,425
(bones crack)
Ah!

424
00:17:05,458 --> 00:17:06,693
Sir, be quiet.

425
00:17:06,726 --> 00:17:08,328
Yo!
You sitting on his back!

426
00:17:08,361 --> 00:17:10,197
He was trying
to steal your cereal, right?

427
00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:12,065
I mean,
it's just cereal.

428
00:17:12,099 --> 00:17:13,200
He can have it!

429
00:17:13,233 --> 00:17:15,168
Man, I'm just hungry, man!

430
00:17:15,202 --> 00:17:17,170
They don't let wolves
in stores, man!

431
00:17:17,204 --> 00:17:18,571
Step back, guys.

432
00:17:18,605 --> 00:17:20,039
I'm going to
lift the offender up.

433
00:17:20,073 --> 00:17:22,409
We are now going
to our feet, sir.

434
00:17:22,442 --> 00:17:24,177
Let's go, sir, let's go.

435
00:17:24,211 --> 00:17:26,246
Nigga, I could be
eating these kids!

436
00:17:26,279 --> 00:17:28,181
But I'm out here
eating cereal!

437
00:17:28,215 --> 00:17:29,549
Hey, it's cool!

438
00:17:29,582 --> 00:17:31,284
We'll just give him
the cereal.

439
00:17:31,318 --> 00:17:32,685
No, only kids

440
00:17:32,719 --> 00:17:35,021
can have Coconut Crunch-O's.
You know that.

441
00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:36,589
(tsks)
That's a wack law.

442
00:17:36,623 --> 00:17:39,292
This fool know he eat
Coconut Crunch-O's,

443
00:17:39,326 --> 00:17:41,228
and you ain't no kid!

444
00:17:41,261 --> 00:17:43,363
Let me do my job.

445
00:17:43,396 --> 00:17:46,199
I said back up...sir!

446
00:17:46,233 --> 00:17:50,470
(brooding dramatic music)

447
00:17:50,503 --> 00:17:52,972
(crunches)

448
00:17:55,442 --> 00:17:56,909
MAN: Coconut Crunch-O's

449
00:17:56,943 --> 00:17:59,045
is a part of
this balanced breakfast.

450
00:17:59,078 --> 00:18:02,782
(theme music playing)

451
00:18:02,815 --> 00:18:05,452
Earlier we showed a clip
about a young man

452
00:18:05,485 --> 00:18:08,388
dealing with trans-racial
identity.

453
00:18:08,421 --> 00:18:11,924
Well, we've got him joining us
via Facebook video chat.

454
00:18:11,958 --> 00:18:14,627
Please welcome
Antwoine Smalls to the show.

455
00:18:14,661 --> 00:18:17,497
Hello, Montague, thank you
for having me on your show.

456
00:18:17,530 --> 00:18:19,232
-So now, Antwoine...
ALFRED: (laughs)

457
00:18:19,266 --> 00:18:21,834
-It's Harrison.
-I'm sorry.

458
00:18:21,868 --> 00:18:24,137
-Harrison.
-(chuckling)

459
00:18:24,171 --> 00:18:26,473
FRANKLIN: How's your life been
since we last saw you?

460
00:18:26,506 --> 00:18:27,574
ALFRED: Ohh...

461
00:18:27,607 --> 00:18:29,008
It's pretty good.

462
00:18:29,041 --> 00:18:31,178
I just came back
from Charleston, South Carolina.

463
00:18:31,211 --> 00:18:32,779
FRANKLIN: Ah.
-Beautiful.

464
00:18:32,812 --> 00:18:34,347
I was checking out
some cheap art spaces

465
00:18:34,381 --> 00:18:36,115
for me and a friend
that I made, uh--

466
00:18:36,149 --> 00:18:37,750
What--wait--
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

467
00:18:37,784 --> 00:18:39,952
Yo. This is dumb.

468
00:18:39,986 --> 00:18:41,821
-Like, that--this is dumb.
DEBRA: What--

469
00:18:41,854 --> 00:18:43,623
ALFRED: Like, dude, wait, wait.
Did you power up?

470
00:18:43,656 --> 00:18:45,292
'Cause you look like
Super Saiyan right now.

471
00:18:45,325 --> 00:18:47,093
Like, is that, like,
is that the Goku...

472
00:18:47,126 --> 00:18:48,328
FRANKLIN: (sighs)
-Like Dragon Ball collection,

473
00:18:48,361 --> 00:18:49,929
my (bleep), like?
You look like

474
00:18:49,962 --> 00:18:51,431
-a fake Ellen DeGeneres.
-This is just...

475
00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:53,266
-Like a Felon DeGeneres.
-Okay.

476
00:18:53,300 --> 00:18:56,035
Look, no-no-no, you look
like Drake Malfoy, dude, like.

477
00:18:56,068 --> 00:18:58,538
Bangs, my (bleep)?
Like, nobody told you

478
00:18:58,571 --> 00:19:00,207
-not to do bangs--Like--
FRANKLIN: Okay, okay.

479
00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,342
-Nice tolerance.
FRANKLIN: Mr. Boi.

480
00:19:02,375 --> 00:19:04,010
ALFRED: What is up--Wait, wait--
-Okay, okay, thank you.

481
00:19:04,043 --> 00:19:05,812
-None of y'all? Okay.
FRANKLIN: Thank you.

482
00:19:05,845 --> 00:19:07,146
-That is very inappropriate.
-Sorry, man, go ahead.

483
00:19:07,180 --> 00:19:08,981
-Shh.
-It's--it's okay.

484
00:19:09,015 --> 00:19:11,518
Sadly, the black community,
they just aren't accepting

485
00:19:11,551 --> 00:19:13,152
of racial diversity or

486
00:19:13,186 --> 00:19:14,687
anyone different,
for that matter.

487
00:19:14,721 --> 00:19:17,023
-Mm. Now, Harrison...
ALFRED: (groans)

488
00:19:17,056 --> 00:19:19,058
Would you say that, uh,
the--the rap game

489
00:19:19,091 --> 00:19:21,694
or the hip-hop community
is especially intolerant

490
00:19:21,728 --> 00:19:23,630
of the lifestyle you chose?

491
00:19:23,663 --> 00:19:26,065
We really can't blame rap
or the hip-hop culture.

492
00:19:26,098 --> 00:19:28,801
He's just expressing himself
to the best of his ability.

493
00:19:28,835 --> 00:19:31,137
And I will defend
his right to do that.

494
00:19:31,170 --> 00:19:33,673
He's telling a story, or, like,
views from the streets.

495
00:19:33,706 --> 00:19:35,308
-You know, like a ghetto news.
-Mm.

496
00:19:35,342 --> 00:19:37,176
-Okay. (snickers)
-But--but Harrison,

497
00:19:37,210 --> 00:19:39,412
don't you think
that the rap community

498
00:19:39,446 --> 00:19:42,148
and its treatment of transpeople
and homosexuals

499
00:19:42,181 --> 00:19:45,218
is indicative of a larger
problem in the black community,

500
00:19:45,252 --> 00:19:47,854
one that makes
your lifestyle unacceptable?

501
00:19:47,887 --> 00:19:49,522
No, no way.
Not at all.

502
00:19:49,556 --> 00:19:52,525
I mean, a man wanting
to turn himself into a woman--

503
00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:54,494
that's just unnatural,
and I don't think

504
00:19:54,527 --> 00:19:57,330
we should have our kids
thinking that that's okay.

505
00:19:57,364 --> 00:19:58,898
So I will support that message.

506
00:19:58,931 --> 00:20:00,400
Wait, wait, wait, wait.

507
00:20:00,433 --> 00:20:01,668
-What are you saying?
-(stifled laugh)

508
00:20:01,701 --> 00:20:03,169
I'm not into gay marriage.

509
00:20:03,202 --> 00:20:04,704
That--that is gross.

510
00:20:04,737 --> 00:20:06,239
Why would I ever tolerate
something like that?

511
00:20:06,273 --> 00:20:07,674
Marriage is meant for

512
00:20:07,707 --> 00:20:09,276
a man and a woman,
not that--

513
00:20:09,309 --> 00:20:11,378
that's an abomination.
We're--We--No.

514
00:20:11,411 --> 00:20:13,045
How can you say that

515
00:20:13,079 --> 00:20:14,781
with the discrimination
you were just talking about?

516
00:20:14,814 --> 00:20:16,349
-I mean, how--
-It's the truth.

517
00:20:16,383 --> 00:20:19,018
-What are you, crazy?
-This (bleep) crazy!

518
00:20:19,051 --> 00:20:20,687
That is all the time
we have tonight.

519
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,455
-I'd like to thank my guests...
ALFRED: Oh, my God.

520
00:20:22,489 --> 00:20:24,591
-Dr. Holt, Paper Boi.
ALFRED: (chuckling)

521
00:20:24,624 --> 00:20:27,394
Please check for her book
Transition,

522
00:20:27,427 --> 00:20:30,096
as well as
Paper Boi's mixtape Postal.

523
00:20:30,129 --> 00:20:31,898
ALFRED: Yup!
-Available...

524
00:20:31,931 --> 00:20:34,901
wherever mixtapes
are available.

525
00:20:34,934 --> 00:20:37,470
-Good night.
ALFRED: (laughing)

526
00:20:37,504 --> 00:20:40,740
Like, you look
like a dying palm tree.

527
00:20:40,773 --> 00:20:43,443
Right? Like you look like
the lost fifth Beatle,

528
00:20:43,476 --> 00:20:45,211
my (bleep), that they just
don't talk about.

529
00:20:45,244 --> 00:20:47,314
That, like, power up,
like--

530
00:20:47,347 --> 00:20:49,916
they gave him (bleep) bangs,
like--(laughing).

531
00:20:49,949 --> 00:20:51,584
DEBRA: I don't care for it.

532
00:20:51,618 --> 00:20:54,587
(theme music playing)

533
00:20:54,621 --> 00:21:01,461
*

534
00:21:49,976 --> 00:21:51,844
(dramatic music)

535
00:21:53,179 --> 00:21:55,047
(low sustained tone)

