1 00:00:00,758 --> 00:00:03,942 sync & correction by f1nc0 - Addic7ed.com ~ 2 00:00:09,343 --> 00:00:12,012 - Sir, please get back into your car. - Here's how it's gonna go down, sweetchicks. 3 00:00:12,095 --> 00:00:13,180 You're gonna let me go. 4 00:00:13,263 --> 00:00:16,600 If you're lucky, I might even honk your... boobies! 5 00:00:16,683 --> 00:00:19,107 - Whoa! You're under arrest - Hey! Hey! 6 00:00:19,142 --> 00:00:20,354 - for assaulting a police officer. - You're arresting me? 7 00:00:20,437 --> 00:00:22,397 You must be new here, on the rag, or both. 8 00:00:22,481 --> 00:00:25,692 I'm movie star Vance Waggoner, and I hate Jews! 9 00:00:26,568 --> 00:00:28,070 This is the Deep Dive! 10 00:00:28,153 --> 00:00:32,199 My guest today recently said some things, or did some things? 11 00:00:32,282 --> 00:00:34,785 I only read the headline. Vance, what happened? 12 00:00:35,911 --> 00:00:37,829 First of all, I don't hate Jews. 13 00:00:37,913 --> 00:00:39,915 If I did, would I be able to sit in the same room 14 00:00:39,998 --> 00:00:42,376 as my good friend Mark Feuerstein, a Jew? 15 00:00:42,876 --> 00:00:45,170 You know, when I first heard Vance's comments, they stung, 16 00:00:45,420 --> 00:00:49,299 but when he called to offer his apology and a supporting role in his next movie, 17 00:00:49,383 --> 00:00:52,094 I thought, "Does not the Torah teach us to forgive?" 18 00:00:52,177 --> 00:00:54,930 As it is written, "schmear, don't smear." 19 00:00:56,098 --> 00:00:59,017 Hey! Good to see you. Thanks for coming, everyone! 20 00:01:00,018 --> 00:01:02,688 Hey! Hey, Vance, did you get practice swinging that baseball bat 21 00:01:02,771 --> 00:01:05,566 from the time you hit that prostitute, with a baseball bat? 22 00:01:05,649 --> 00:01:07,317 What? Who told you that? 23 00:01:08,860 --> 00:01:12,072 I'm Tom Jumbo-Grumbo, and this is Gotcha! 24 00:01:12,155 --> 00:01:14,741 Vance Waggoner, you hit a woman with a baseball bat. 25 00:01:14,825 --> 00:01:16,159 What's your side of the story? 26 00:01:16,243 --> 00:01:17,869 Okay, look, when that altercation occurred, 27 00:01:17,953 --> 00:01:22,082 I was an immature child... of 38. I'm not that guy anymore. 28 00:01:22,165 --> 00:01:23,834 Vance Waggoner respects women. 29 00:01:23,917 --> 00:01:27,629 We have a tape of a voicemail you left for your 14-year-old daughter. 30 00:01:27,713 --> 00:01:30,340 - Oh, God. - Let's give it a listen, shall we? 31 00:01:30,424 --> 00:01:31,717 I'll murder you. 32 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,178 I'm going to murder my daughter. I don't respect women. 33 00:01:35,262 --> 00:01:39,349 You're out there, hanging out with your dirty Swedish friends. 34 00:01:39,433 --> 00:01:41,184 That's right, I hate Swedes now. 35 00:01:41,268 --> 00:01:42,644 I bet you didn't see that coming, 36 00:01:42,728 --> 00:01:45,689 you disgusting slut, who is my daughter! 37 00:01:45,772 --> 00:01:49,276 As we say here on Gotcha, that's a gotcha. 38 00:01:49,359 --> 00:01:51,570 Why did I go on a show called Gotcha? 39 00:01:53,238 --> 00:01:56,742 I stand here with my wife beside me, and my daughter, 40 00:01:56,825 --> 00:01:58,827 and my good friend Stellan Skarsgård. 41 00:01:58,910 --> 00:02:00,954 I am retiring from public life. 42 00:02:01,038 --> 00:02:03,540 This is the last you'll see of Vance Waggoner. 43 00:02:07,336 --> 00:02:09,796 Who are we gonna get to play Philbert's partner? 44 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,758 We need a bad boy. Someone dangerous, 45 00:02:12,841 --> 00:02:17,095 someone you see coming and think, "This guy is trouble." 46 00:02:18,388 --> 00:02:20,390 You know who would be perfect? 47 00:03:11,199 --> 00:03:14,624 5x04 - BoJack the Feminist 48 00:03:21,618 --> 00:03:23,787 - Thank you so much for meeting me. - Of course. 49 00:03:23,870 --> 00:03:25,247 I know how busy you are. 50 00:03:25,330 --> 00:03:29,459 The Apology Tour can be a hassle, but you've been handling it perfectly. 51 00:03:29,543 --> 00:03:30,877 What do you have lined up next? 52 00:03:30,961 --> 00:03:34,131 Well, I'm getting the lifetime achievement at the We Forgive You Awards. 53 00:03:34,214 --> 00:03:38,009 You're getting a Forgivie? Damn, your publicist is good. 54 00:03:38,093 --> 00:03:40,262 I don't care about awards. I just want to work, damn it. 55 00:03:40,345 --> 00:03:42,180 You just have to remind them how good you are. 56 00:03:42,264 --> 00:03:46,226 Maybe by taking a meaty role on my gritty, prestige television show Philbert. 57 00:03:46,309 --> 00:03:48,979 Once word gets out that it's okay to hire you again, 58 00:03:49,062 --> 00:03:52,607 all the other offers will come rolling in. Producers are like lemmings. 59 00:03:52,691 --> 00:03:54,151 - Hey, I resent that! - Me, too! 60 00:03:54,234 --> 00:03:57,320 - I also resent that. To the cliff! - Yeah, let's go. 61 00:03:57,404 --> 00:04:00,031 I have a great deal of love and respect for the lemming community! 62 00:04:00,615 --> 00:04:01,908 Okay, I'm in. 63 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,997 Diane, can you believe this? 64 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,500 Vance Waggoner is getting a We Forgive You Award! 65 00:04:10,584 --> 00:04:12,836 Ugh! This town is full of hypocrites. 66 00:04:12,919 --> 00:04:16,339 They act all shocked when one of their favorite stars turns out to be a dirtbag, 67 00:04:16,423 --> 00:04:19,634 but they can't wait to give a comeback to all the dirtbags we already know about. 68 00:04:19,718 --> 00:04:23,054 Now, that is the kind of story I would share without reading, 69 00:04:23,138 --> 00:04:25,849 which, for our purposes, is even better than people reading. 70 00:04:25,932 --> 00:04:27,184 Go to the awards show, 71 00:04:27,267 --> 00:04:29,853 take down that skeevy so-and so, 72 00:04:29,936 --> 00:04:33,023 and then during commercial breaks, get in some Hollywoo hobnobbing. 73 00:04:33,106 --> 00:04:36,443 - Oh, I'd rather not. - Diane, you have to hobnob. 74 00:04:36,526 --> 00:04:38,820 Have you not been hobnobbing? Hob that nob, girl! 75 00:04:38,904 --> 00:04:41,740 We know how this ends. Our core readership eats it up, 76 00:04:41,823 --> 00:04:44,075 a bunch of dude-bros call me a "dumb slunt," 77 00:04:44,159 --> 00:04:45,952 and Vance's career chugs, right along. 78 00:04:46,036 --> 00:04:49,247 So, stellar! And while you're there, you can ask your friend BoJack, 79 00:04:49,331 --> 00:04:51,625 why Vance is gonna co-star on his new TV show. 80 00:04:51,708 --> 00:04:53,251 He's what? Oop! Aaaah! 81 00:04:56,379 --> 00:04:58,089 Greetings, from the red carpet! 82 00:04:58,173 --> 00:05:02,093 Filling in for a Mario Lopez-type, 'tis I, Mr. Peanutbutter! 83 00:05:02,177 --> 00:05:03,261 And lookie here! 84 00:05:03,345 --> 00:05:07,432 Super-producer and also my manager, Princess Carolyn! 85 00:05:07,516 --> 00:05:08,725 Who are you wearing 86 00:05:08,809 --> 00:05:11,478 and why haven't you called, about the Dog Day Afternoon reboot? 87 00:05:11,561 --> 00:05:12,813 - Uh... - It's cool. We can talk. 88 00:05:12,896 --> 00:05:15,440 - They cut around stuff they don't need. - Oh, okay. 89 00:05:15,690 --> 00:05:19,903 No one understands how to make a woman feel beautiful like Louis Kitton. 90 00:05:20,862 --> 00:05:23,615 Listen, kid. Dog Day Afternoon isn't gonna happen for you. 91 00:05:23,698 --> 00:05:26,243 - People don't see you as the tough guy. - That's not fair. 92 00:05:26,326 --> 00:05:28,119 Who are you excited to see tonight? 93 00:05:28,203 --> 00:05:31,081 So many amazing stars are being forgiven tonight. 94 00:05:31,164 --> 00:05:33,375 Megyn Kelly, Mark Wahlberg... 95 00:05:33,542 --> 00:05:35,252 Look, every actor has a range, 96 00:05:35,335 --> 00:05:37,587 and maybe a gritty drama about a tough-guy bank robber 97 00:05:37,671 --> 00:05:39,130 is too much of a stretch for you. 98 00:05:39,214 --> 00:05:41,591 So, I'm not tough enough, huh? 99 00:05:41,675 --> 00:05:44,594 I'll show them how tough I can be. 100 00:05:45,428 --> 00:05:50,350 We'll be back with more of the Red Carpet Pre-Show Fashion-Stravaganza, 101 00:05:50,433 --> 00:05:53,895 so don't touch that remote... or else. 102 00:05:56,022 --> 00:06:00,443 There is no one this town loves forgiving more than Vance Waggoner. 103 00:06:01,736 --> 00:06:03,280 I just don't get why you're doing this. 104 00:06:03,363 --> 00:06:05,615 - We need a big star, Diane. - No, Diane's right. 105 00:06:05,699 --> 00:06:07,367 - I'm the big star. - That's not my point. 106 00:06:07,450 --> 00:06:09,077 You can't have two stars. 107 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,163 All the greatest detective shows are focused around a central, 108 00:06:12,247 --> 00:06:13,957 usually titular character. 109 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,167 Kojak, Monk, Nickis. 110 00:06:16,251 --> 00:06:17,961 - Who's Nickis? - You know, Nickis. 111 00:06:18,044 --> 00:06:20,755 Sometimes, he goes to Los Angeles, to New Orleans... 112 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,676 Are you...? Do you mean NCIS? 113 00:06:24,885 --> 00:06:26,052 No. 114 00:06:26,136 --> 00:06:29,639 Princess Carolyn, if you hire this guy, what kind of message does that send? 115 00:06:29,723 --> 00:06:31,808 Diane, we both know the industry is screwed up. 116 00:06:31,892 --> 00:06:34,185 I'm not talking to the industry. I'm talking to you. 117 00:06:34,269 --> 00:06:35,896 - Take some responsibility. - Excuse me? 118 00:06:35,979 --> 00:06:36,813 Hey! Cheese plate! 119 00:06:36,897 --> 00:06:38,648 Vance Waggoner! 120 00:06:41,985 --> 00:06:43,069 Ugh! 121 00:06:43,737 --> 00:06:47,282 Horseman forcefully forgoes applause for Vance at Forgivies! 122 00:06:47,365 --> 00:06:49,492 Is a feud forming on the Philbert front? 123 00:06:49,576 --> 00:06:53,079 That's the buzz around town, and the question on everybody's mind is, 124 00:06:53,163 --> 00:06:54,664 "Why the strong face?" 125 00:06:55,165 --> 00:06:59,127 He made the face in protest because of what Vance said about native Alaskans. 126 00:06:59,210 --> 00:07:02,088 BoJack's clearly upset about the time Vance Waggoner 127 00:07:02,172 --> 00:07:07,302 said the Madrid train bombings were "a real mixed bag." 128 00:07:07,552 --> 00:07:10,347 Remember when Vance locked that shopgirl in a hotel room 129 00:07:10,430 --> 00:07:14,809 and said, "I've got pizzazz" while masturbating into a champagne flute? 130 00:07:14,893 --> 00:07:17,062 Because BoJack remembers. 131 00:07:17,145 --> 00:07:21,524 God damn it! The whole point of the award was to put the past behind me. 132 00:07:21,608 --> 00:07:24,069 But now, because of this idiot's dumb face, 133 00:07:24,152 --> 00:07:26,529 my past is all anyone's talking about! 134 00:07:26,613 --> 00:07:28,823 Everyone else was clapping. Why couldn't you clap? 135 00:07:28,907 --> 00:07:31,326 Hey, man, awards show should've had better cheese. 136 00:07:31,409 --> 00:07:34,829 - My publicist is furious, by the way. - Ooh, spooky publicist! 137 00:07:34,913 --> 00:07:37,499 Hope she doesn't papercut me with her mad press release. 138 00:07:37,582 --> 00:07:38,667 We're gonna handle this. 139 00:07:38,750 --> 00:07:43,088 BoJack will go on TV and explain this unfortunate faux pas du fromage. 140 00:07:43,171 --> 00:07:45,465 - Won't you, BoJack? - Ugh. Fine. 141 00:07:45,548 --> 00:07:49,636 Once again, hero BoJack will clean up everyone else's mess. 142 00:07:54,057 --> 00:07:55,558 - Hello, Todd. - Ooh! 143 00:07:56,351 --> 00:07:59,604 Did you notice how I just walked in without knocking? Pretty tough, huh? 144 00:07:59,688 --> 00:08:00,522 Not at all! 145 00:08:00,605 --> 00:08:02,774 To me, it read as amiable and familiar, 146 00:08:02,857 --> 00:08:05,902 like our friendship has an assumed "open door" policy. 147 00:08:05,986 --> 00:08:08,154 God damn it! Owie! 148 00:08:08,279 --> 00:08:10,824 Apparently, Hollywoo producers don't think I'm tough enough 149 00:08:10,907 --> 00:08:12,492 to play the bad boy parts. 150 00:08:12,575 --> 00:08:14,995 - Oh, no! - Todd, you're the toughest guy I know. 151 00:08:16,287 --> 00:08:20,500 - Will you teach me how to be tough? - I thought you'd never ask. 152 00:08:20,583 --> 00:08:23,795 Because I had no idea this was happening to you. 153 00:08:27,632 --> 00:08:31,261 BoJack, clear the air. Why'd you give Vance the face? 154 00:08:31,344 --> 00:08:32,721 Well, there was this cheese... 155 00:08:32,804 --> 00:08:34,305 And you're lactose intolerant, 156 00:08:34,389 --> 00:08:36,558 which reminded you that Vance lacks tolerance? 157 00:08:36,641 --> 00:08:37,559 No, it... 158 00:08:37,642 --> 00:08:38,935 The cheese stands alone, 159 00:08:39,019 --> 00:08:41,938 but no woman should stand alone, when standing up to sexual harassment? 160 00:08:42,022 --> 00:08:43,773 - Squawk! - No, it wasn't any of those things! 161 00:08:43,857 --> 00:08:47,193 So, you're saying it wasn't any one thing, more of an accumulation? 162 00:08:47,277 --> 00:08:49,320 - It... - BoJack, it is really incredible, 163 00:08:49,404 --> 00:08:51,072 your taking a stand against your co-star. 164 00:08:51,156 --> 00:08:54,784 - No, I'm not taking any stand... - I mean, the guy choked his wife, 165 00:08:54,868 --> 00:08:57,787 and most of Hollywoo is, like, "No biggie. Good for him!" 166 00:08:57,871 --> 00:09:00,915 - Squawk! - Okay, well, obviously it's not good 167 00:09:00,999 --> 00:09:02,000 he choked his wife. 168 00:09:02,083 --> 00:09:03,501 Wow! 169 00:09:03,585 --> 00:09:06,588 No, no, no! I wasn't trying to make some bold statement or anything. 170 00:09:06,671 --> 00:09:08,923 It's just that... choking your wife is bad. 171 00:09:11,342 --> 00:09:12,343 Really? 172 00:09:13,678 --> 00:09:14,512 Okay. 173 00:09:14,596 --> 00:09:19,517 Can I just tell you how amazing it is to hear a man say that? 174 00:09:19,601 --> 00:09:22,228 Well, Paloma, someone needed to take a stand. 175 00:09:24,189 --> 00:09:27,525 Call me crazy. I mean, this is just old BoJack talking, 176 00:09:27,609 --> 00:09:30,904 but how about we don't choke any women? 177 00:09:30,987 --> 00:09:34,866 So true, right? Don't choke women! 178 00:09:34,949 --> 00:09:37,077 Don't choke women! 179 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,455 BoJack is right. Hollywoo shouldn't legitimize abusers, 180 00:09:40,538 --> 00:09:43,083 by allowing them to star in movies and TV shows, 181 00:09:43,166 --> 00:09:45,627 that play off their problematic personas! 182 00:09:45,710 --> 00:09:47,962 Hollywoo shouldn't legitimize abusers 183 00:09:48,046 --> 00:09:50,673 by allowing them to star in movies and TV shows 184 00:09:50,757 --> 00:09:53,635 that play off their problematic personas! 185 00:09:54,260 --> 00:09:55,845 - All right! - Squawk! 186 00:09:55,929 --> 00:09:57,722 And speaking of battering women, 187 00:09:57,806 --> 00:10:01,643 right after the break, we'll show you how to make the perfect blueberry pancake. 188 00:10:01,726 --> 00:10:05,605 - With proud feminist, BoJack Horseman. - Stick around! 189 00:10:05,688 --> 00:10:07,649 And don't choke women! 190 00:10:10,110 --> 00:10:13,446 How is it you consistently do the opposite of the thing I need you to do? 191 00:10:13,530 --> 00:10:14,948 I don't know, Princess Carolyn. 192 00:10:15,031 --> 00:10:16,908 Is it possible, this whole time, 193 00:10:16,991 --> 00:10:19,869 I've been an amazing feminist hero, and nobody knew it? 194 00:10:19,953 --> 00:10:21,538 - BoJack! - Feels pretty right. 195 00:10:21,621 --> 00:10:24,499 Yeah, I'm a male feminist. You're welcome, society. 196 00:10:24,582 --> 00:10:26,251 - I gotta call Vance. - Okay. 197 00:10:26,334 --> 00:10:28,837 I'm just gonna stay here, being woke. 198 00:10:29,379 --> 00:10:31,965 Vance! Listen, BoJack's been very dehydrated. 199 00:10:32,048 --> 00:10:36,052 No, no, no. You can't use the old "dehydration made him stupid" trick on me. 200 00:10:36,136 --> 00:10:39,222 Okay? I'm Mr. Dehydration-Made-Me-Stupid. 201 00:10:39,305 --> 00:10:41,683 BoJack really wants to work with you. He just got caught up... 202 00:10:41,766 --> 00:10:43,309 Doesn't matter. I'm not doing the show. 203 00:10:43,393 --> 00:10:44,352 - What? - You were right. 204 00:10:44,435 --> 00:10:45,687 All it took was one offer. 205 00:10:45,770 --> 00:10:48,940 Once word got out I was doing Philbert, all the other offers started pouring in. 206 00:10:49,023 --> 00:10:50,275 You signed a contract! 207 00:10:50,358 --> 00:10:53,945 Oh, please. I sexted a 12-year-old and still got a Humanitas Prize. 208 00:10:54,028 --> 00:10:56,781 You think I can't get out of a contract, with a time website? 209 00:10:56,865 --> 00:10:59,826 By the way, still very sorry about sexting that 12-year-old. 210 00:10:59,909 --> 00:11:01,369 Oh-hh! 211 00:11:01,661 --> 00:11:04,414 Hey, Princess Carolyn, you ever notice how, as a woman, 212 00:11:04,497 --> 00:11:07,292 you only make ten cents for every dollar your clients make? 213 00:11:07,375 --> 00:11:11,421 - Really makes you think, huh? - BoJack, I was wrong, you were right. 214 00:11:11,504 --> 00:11:13,673 Let's take that asshole down. 215 00:11:14,966 --> 00:11:16,593 So, now, you wanna take him down 216 00:11:16,676 --> 00:11:18,553 Now, that he's not doing your TV show, anymore? 217 00:11:18,636 --> 00:11:19,762 Diane, don't be cynical. 218 00:11:19,846 --> 00:11:21,723 - I'm cynical? - What do you want me to say? 219 00:11:21,806 --> 00:11:24,392 I got blinded by my desire to see myself succeed, 220 00:11:24,475 --> 00:11:27,395 which, since I'm a woman, is actually very feminist. 221 00:11:27,478 --> 00:11:29,522 But now that Vance can't help me succeed, 222 00:11:29,606 --> 00:11:34,027 I realize the more feminist thing to do is to make sure he doesn't succeed either. 223 00:11:34,319 --> 00:11:37,447 - I'm cynical? - I'm offering an olive branch, here. 224 00:11:37,530 --> 00:11:40,617 Look, this town loves assholes like Vance. There's nothing we can do. 225 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:43,286 This town is as wishy-washy as a virgin on prom night. 226 00:11:43,369 --> 00:11:47,540 All they need to listen to women is the right voice... a man's voice. 227 00:11:48,499 --> 00:11:49,334 Oh! 228 00:11:49,751 --> 00:11:52,212 - Is that why I'm here? - Yep. I brought you two together 229 00:11:52,295 --> 00:11:55,632 because between your feminist brain and your stupid manly face, 230 00:11:55,715 --> 00:11:58,092 you can actually say things that people will listen to. 231 00:11:58,176 --> 00:12:00,345 That's a good point. People do listen to me all the time. 232 00:12:00,428 --> 00:12:04,224 One time I tweeted "RIP David Bowie," and now everyone still thinks he's dead. 233 00:12:04,307 --> 00:12:06,768 - David Bowie is dead. - Wait, for real? Oh, man. 234 00:12:06,851 --> 00:12:11,564 So, through BoJack, I can say whatever I want, to a huge audience, 235 00:12:11,648 --> 00:12:15,860 without being called "shrill," or "naggy," or "classic Diane." 236 00:12:15,944 --> 00:12:17,820 Yeah. Everyone loves a male feminist. 237 00:12:17,904 --> 00:12:20,281 It turns out, the problem with feminism, all along, 238 00:12:20,365 --> 00:12:22,033 is it just wasn't men doing it. 239 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:23,451 We're much less shrill. 240 00:12:23,534 --> 00:12:26,287 Yeah, this is truly a great day for women everywhere. 241 00:12:29,999 --> 00:12:32,293 Okay, how do I make people think I'm a tough bad boy, 242 00:12:32,377 --> 00:12:34,754 who doesn't give a care about society's precious rules? 243 00:12:34,837 --> 00:12:37,632 Every time Vance Waggoner breaks the rules, 244 00:12:37,715 --> 00:12:39,968 - it gets caught on camera. - That's it! 245 00:12:40,051 --> 00:12:42,720 We just need some video evidence of me being tough! 246 00:12:42,804 --> 00:12:44,222 Here, record this. 247 00:12:44,514 --> 00:12:45,473 Ooooh! 248 00:12:47,767 --> 00:12:50,144 - Hey, got one for me, toughie? - Sorry, bud. 249 00:12:50,228 --> 00:12:51,604 Not yet, you're not. 250 00:12:51,688 --> 00:12:54,524 But you can bet your candy ass you're gonna be. 251 00:12:54,607 --> 00:12:56,651 - Ooh! - What the...? 252 00:12:56,734 --> 00:12:58,403 What do you say to that? 253 00:12:59,487 --> 00:13:02,323 - Thank you. So much. - Huh? 254 00:13:02,782 --> 00:13:05,910 Two weeks ago, we buried my father. Lung cancer. 255 00:13:05,994 --> 00:13:08,371 My baby girl made me promise I'd quit smoking, 256 00:13:08,454 --> 00:13:12,083 but I've been sneaking these suicide sticks this entire time. 257 00:13:12,166 --> 00:13:14,585 No more. That was my last cigarette. 258 00:13:14,752 --> 00:13:18,047 Thank you, you sweet, sweet soul. 259 00:13:18,506 --> 00:13:19,424 Mm-wah! 260 00:13:19,716 --> 00:13:23,553 You are truly a kind and approachable character. 261 00:13:23,636 --> 00:13:25,972 And tough? 262 00:13:26,055 --> 00:13:29,058 Tough not to love, you big galoot! 263 00:13:29,142 --> 00:13:30,727 Oh, banana bread! 264 00:13:31,853 --> 00:13:35,023 Okay, just... 265 00:13:35,106 --> 00:13:39,110 Okay, so, pop culture inherently normalizes things, 266 00:13:39,193 --> 00:13:40,987 and that power works both ways. 267 00:13:41,070 --> 00:13:42,613 It can normalize things for good, 268 00:13:42,697 --> 00:13:45,908 like how dancing Ellen makes middle America less afraid of gay people. 269 00:13:45,992 --> 00:13:47,910 But it can also normalize things for bad, 270 00:13:47,994 --> 00:13:51,831 like what Jack Bauer did for torture, or what Jimmy Fallon did for lip-syncing. 271 00:13:52,123 --> 00:13:55,376 So, when we give a platform to known abusers like Vance Waggoner, 272 00:13:55,460 --> 00:13:57,628 that's an example of...? 273 00:13:59,255 --> 00:14:01,758 Normalizing things for...? 274 00:14:04,052 --> 00:14:06,220 - Good or bad? - I'm sorry. 275 00:14:06,304 --> 00:14:08,556 I know you're trying really hard not to be boring, 276 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:10,725 and it's kind of not boring, 277 00:14:10,808 --> 00:14:13,478 but it still mostly feels like I'm being lectured at. 278 00:14:13,561 --> 00:14:14,687 - Okay, well... - Hold on. 279 00:14:14,771 --> 00:14:17,982 Let me imagine that I'm saying it. You know what, that's a little better. 280 00:14:18,066 --> 00:14:20,193 Well, the bar for men is depressingly low. 281 00:14:20,276 --> 00:14:24,197 Just sprinkle in a few words like "intersectionality" or "micro-aggressions" 282 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,783 and Vice News will name you Feminist of the Year. 283 00:14:26,866 --> 00:14:28,993 Oh, should I wear a T-shirt that says "Feminism is Bae"? 284 00:14:29,077 --> 00:14:30,495 Girls love shit like that, right? 285 00:14:30,578 --> 00:14:32,663 Sounds great, BoJack. 286 00:14:38,503 --> 00:14:41,381 - Hello, Diane. - How did you get in my car? 287 00:14:41,464 --> 00:14:44,300 - You left it unlocked. - It's a Prius. It locks automatically. 288 00:14:44,384 --> 00:14:46,386 Priuses unlock automatically. 289 00:14:46,469 --> 00:14:48,596 You still need to lock it when you get out. 290 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:51,015 - Really? - I know you and your little Scooby gang 291 00:14:51,099 --> 00:14:54,852 are plotting something against my client, and I want you to stop. 292 00:14:54,936 --> 00:14:58,481 Ugh! Of course that dirtbag would hire Ana Spanakopita. 293 00:14:58,564 --> 00:15:02,360 Vance has a troubled past. All he's asking for is a fresh start. 294 00:15:02,443 --> 00:15:06,155 - No. Why does he get that over and over? - He's reformed. 295 00:15:06,239 --> 00:15:07,615 What else would you have him do? 296 00:15:07,698 --> 00:15:10,743 Let's say, you can make him do anything you want to make things right. 297 00:15:10,993 --> 00:15:14,622 What would you make Vance Waggoner do, now? 298 00:15:15,581 --> 00:15:18,126 Nothing. I don't think he can make things right. 299 00:15:18,209 --> 00:15:20,545 Well, then, what do you hope to accomplish, here? 300 00:15:20,628 --> 00:15:21,796 Can't you just admit to me, 301 00:15:21,879 --> 00:15:24,674 just between the two of us, that this sucks? 302 00:15:24,757 --> 00:15:28,302 You can say it's your job, that you believe in "forgiveness," whatever, 303 00:15:28,386 --> 00:15:30,430 but don't you at least a little bit think 304 00:15:30,513 --> 00:15:32,348 that when we let guys like Vance off the hook... 305 00:15:32,432 --> 00:15:34,809 - Diane. - ... when you, as a woman, 306 00:15:34,892 --> 00:15:37,019 give awful men the cover of your friendship, 307 00:15:37,103 --> 00:15:39,105 when you work for them. First of all, 308 00:15:39,188 --> 00:15:42,150 they're not gonna get better. Second of all, you are then complicit... 309 00:15:42,233 --> 00:15:46,195 no, you're culpable for the terrible things they do. 310 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:47,488 Are you done? 311 00:15:47,572 --> 00:15:52,285 Just, woman to woman, can't you admit this is screwed up? 312 00:15:53,035 --> 00:15:55,455 You've given me a lot to think about. 313 00:16:00,376 --> 00:16:01,961 Oh...! 314 00:16:02,962 --> 00:16:05,798 So, in conclusion, is Smurfette a feminist icon? 315 00:16:05,882 --> 00:16:08,718 I think the better question is, why does she have to be? 316 00:16:08,801 --> 00:16:12,054 We've gotten a little off track, here. We were talking about Vance Waggoner. 317 00:16:12,138 --> 00:16:12,972 Oh, yeah! 318 00:16:13,055 --> 00:16:16,100 We actually have a tape of a press conference Vance gave, earlier today. 319 00:16:16,184 --> 00:16:17,518 - What? - And he mentioned you in it. 320 00:16:17,602 --> 00:16:19,353 Oh, no, is this a Gotcha? Am I the gotcha? 321 00:16:19,437 --> 00:16:20,771 Let's see what he had to say. 322 00:16:21,272 --> 00:16:23,441 I have an important announcement. 323 00:16:23,524 --> 00:16:26,068 I... am a feminist, too. 324 00:16:26,152 --> 00:16:31,657 That's why I had to walk away from BoJack Horseman's new show Philbert. 325 00:16:31,741 --> 00:16:34,619 Okay, I read the scripts they sent me, and I was outraged. 326 00:16:34,702 --> 00:16:38,748 Gratuitous sexual violence. Protracted, lascivious nude scenes. 327 00:16:38,831 --> 00:16:42,001 Maybe BoJack Horseman thinks that's all in good fun, 328 00:16:42,084 --> 00:16:43,294 but I know it's toxic. 329 00:16:43,377 --> 00:16:45,838 And if I took part in it, I would be complicit... 330 00:16:45,922 --> 00:16:48,841 no, culpable for that toxicity. 331 00:16:48,925 --> 00:16:51,260 BoJack, what do you say to those charges? 332 00:16:51,344 --> 00:16:52,428 Um... 333 00:16:52,512 --> 00:16:54,222 The future is female? 334 00:17:00,186 --> 00:17:01,938 Pretty cool, huh? 335 00:17:02,313 --> 00:17:06,025 - Uh, are you sure about this outfit? - All the toughest guys wear leather. 336 00:17:06,108 --> 00:17:09,820 Biker gangs, motorcycle cops, non-heteronormative dominatrices. 337 00:17:09,904 --> 00:17:14,367 Well, this is the sleaziest, most dangerous dive bar in Hollywoo. 338 00:17:14,492 --> 00:17:19,622 It's where all the bad boys party. Charlie Sheen, Chris Brown, Subway Jared. 339 00:17:19,705 --> 00:17:23,834 Great. I'll waltz right in, fight a few bouncers, throw a drink in a face, 340 00:17:23,918 --> 00:17:27,588 and get this menacing mug on the cover of a few tabloids. 341 00:17:27,672 --> 00:17:30,341 - Hey. - Hey! Bird brains! 342 00:17:30,424 --> 00:17:33,302 Why don't you snap some pics of me being mean? 343 00:17:33,386 --> 00:17:37,181 Get the word out that I'm a real tough SOAB! 344 00:17:37,265 --> 00:17:39,725 - You? Tough? Yeah, right! - Hah! 345 00:17:39,809 --> 00:17:45,022 I've seen tougher guys at the fancy-boy bubble bath parties I sometimes attend. 346 00:17:45,106 --> 00:17:47,400 - What? - Sorry, I can't invite ya. 347 00:17:47,483 --> 00:17:49,277 Fancy boys only. 348 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:52,196 - Well, you two have a pleasant afternoon. - No, Mr. Peanutbutter. 349 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,658 - Show 'em your tough stuff! - Oh, yeah! 350 00:17:59,870 --> 00:18:01,205 Oh, my God, are you guys okay? 351 00:18:01,747 --> 00:18:03,749 - Did you hear that? - No. 352 00:18:03,833 --> 00:18:05,918 Exactly. No more clicking. 353 00:18:06,002 --> 00:18:10,089 You fixed my TMJ, which means no more wearing a night guard to bed. 354 00:18:10,506 --> 00:18:14,051 Wow, I already feel like a more confident and assertive lover. 355 00:18:14,135 --> 00:18:15,595 Thanks, Mr. Peanutbutter. 356 00:18:15,678 --> 00:18:20,641 I'm gonna go home and make love to my wiiiiiiiiiiiiife! 357 00:18:20,725 --> 00:18:21,559 Uh... 358 00:18:22,018 --> 00:18:24,770 My crossed eye. It... it's fixed! 359 00:18:24,854 --> 00:18:27,440 My depth perception is so much better now. 360 00:18:27,607 --> 00:18:29,400 I'm gonna go watch a Wes Anderson movie 361 00:18:29,483 --> 00:18:32,945 and see if I can perceive any depth in iiiiiiiiiiit! 362 00:18:34,196 --> 00:18:36,365 And stay out! 363 00:18:39,410 --> 00:18:40,244 Whoa. 364 00:18:40,328 --> 00:18:44,081 - So... did Philbert kill his wife? - Well, Sassy thinks so. 365 00:18:44,165 --> 00:18:46,125 That's why she's pretending to be his new partner, 366 00:18:46,208 --> 00:18:47,418 to get closer to the truth. 367 00:18:47,501 --> 00:18:49,545 Meanwhile, his old partner Fritz is back in the mix, 368 00:18:49,629 --> 00:18:51,422 but he might be dead and just a projection 369 00:18:51,505 --> 00:18:54,175 - of Philbert's lingering guilt. - Ooooh! 370 00:18:54,508 --> 00:18:57,011 - That's very unclear. - Yeah, the whole thing's nonsense, 371 00:18:57,094 --> 00:19:00,389 but, more importantly, how do we prove it's not sexist? 372 00:19:00,473 --> 00:19:01,849 - It is sexist. - No, of course. 373 00:19:01,932 --> 00:19:05,102 But right now, I have to do an interview where I explain that it's not, 374 00:19:05,186 --> 00:19:07,271 because otherwise, I'll look like a hypocrite, 375 00:19:07,355 --> 00:19:09,690 which would be really bad for women everywhere. 376 00:19:09,940 --> 00:19:12,318 So, in order to save feminism, 377 00:19:12,401 --> 00:19:14,320 you need to give me some smart-sounding reasons 378 00:19:14,403 --> 00:19:17,198 why Philbert isn't what it so obviously is, 379 00:19:17,281 --> 00:19:20,326 so that I can continue to be a hero and role model. 380 00:19:20,409 --> 00:19:22,536 Everything Vance said about these scripts is true. 381 00:19:22,620 --> 00:19:26,165 It's posing as a deconstruction of the edifice of toxic masculinity... 382 00:19:26,248 --> 00:19:27,917 Uh-huh. Toxic masculinity, yeah. Right. 383 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,171 But it's just using that, as an excuse to relish in its own excesses. 384 00:19:32,254 --> 00:19:35,299 And the most depressing thing... is that ten times more people 385 00:19:35,383 --> 00:19:38,135 are gonna watch this show than read anything I've ever written. 386 00:19:38,219 --> 00:19:40,429 I feel you're not really getting into the spirit here. 387 00:19:40,513 --> 00:19:43,349 We can still take down Vance and topple the patriarchy. 388 00:19:43,432 --> 00:19:46,227 Come on, we're doing feminism, it's supposed to be fun! 389 00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:47,603 This isn't fun for me! 390 00:19:47,687 --> 00:19:51,357 Being a woman is not a hobby or a pet interest of mine. 391 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,694 You get to drop in, and play Joss Whedon, and everybody cheers. 392 00:19:54,777 --> 00:19:57,655 But when you move on to your next thing, I'm still here. 393 00:19:57,738 --> 00:20:00,032 Okay, yeah, I totally get that. But in the meantime, 394 00:20:00,116 --> 00:20:02,076 I just need to know what to say about this show. 395 00:20:02,159 --> 00:20:04,328 Say whatever you want. I have a listicle to write. 396 00:20:04,412 --> 00:20:06,831 So, unless you can give me "five times Rihanna gave us life," 397 00:20:06,914 --> 00:20:08,374 this conversation is over. 398 00:20:11,836 --> 00:20:14,505 BoJack Horseman is our Deep Dive guest, today. 399 00:20:14,588 --> 00:20:18,050 So, what's going on? Something about your show being sexist? 400 00:20:18,134 --> 00:20:21,345 My producer printed out an article for me, but I did not read it. 401 00:20:21,429 --> 00:20:23,723 Look, obviously, when you take plot points out of context, 402 00:20:23,806 --> 00:20:24,890 they can seem unsavory. 403 00:20:24,974 --> 00:20:30,146 But they're all part of a larger attempt to deconstruct... toxic... masculinity. 404 00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:32,148 Ooh! Sounds glamorous! 405 00:20:32,231 --> 00:20:34,358 No, we're not glamorizing it, that's the thing. 406 00:20:34,442 --> 00:20:37,778 You're not supposed to like John Philbert or agree with the things he does. 407 00:20:37,862 --> 00:20:40,197 It's a TV show. It doesn't glamorize anything. 408 00:20:40,281 --> 00:20:43,284 But... maybe it normalizes it. 409 00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:45,035 I gotta go. 410 00:20:45,619 --> 00:20:51,167 Okay. We still have 48 minutes, so, I guess I should just talk? 411 00:20:51,375 --> 00:20:53,252 I was eight years old 412 00:20:53,335 --> 00:20:55,796 when my father first showed me his scars. 413 00:20:55,880 --> 00:21:00,551 Each scar... tells a story, and every story... leaves a scar. 414 00:21:03,971 --> 00:21:06,474 - Holy crap! - Diane, the show needs your help. 415 00:21:06,557 --> 00:21:07,725 - What? - You were right. 416 00:21:07,808 --> 00:21:10,352 It's all the things you said it is, but it doesn't have to be. 417 00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:14,106 Come on as a consulting producer. Work with Flip on the scripts, 418 00:21:14,190 --> 00:21:16,358 make the show something that we can all be proud of. 419 00:21:16,525 --> 00:21:17,651 Why would I do that? 420 00:21:17,735 --> 00:21:20,154 You said it yourself, more people are going to watch this show 421 00:21:20,237 --> 00:21:21,697 than read anything you write. 422 00:21:21,906 --> 00:21:24,825 I'm giving you the opportunity to change society for the better. 423 00:21:24,909 --> 00:21:28,871 - Nothing I do changes anything. - No? You changed me. 424 00:21:35,586 --> 00:21:36,629 Listen up, scum. 425 00:21:36,712 --> 00:21:37,546 Huh? 426 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:40,174 There's a new sheriff in town. 427 00:21:40,257 --> 00:21:42,384 - And his name is... - Trace Norcutt. 428 00:21:42,468 --> 00:21:45,095 Yeah, I read about him this morning in the metro section. 429 00:21:45,179 --> 00:21:47,264 He just won a special election, right? 430 00:21:47,348 --> 00:21:49,600 - Maybe so, but I... - Wow! 431 00:21:49,683 --> 00:21:51,644 Thank you, sir, for keeping us informed 432 00:21:51,727 --> 00:21:54,772 about the comings and goings of our city politic. 433 00:21:54,855 --> 00:21:59,401 After all, a democracy is only as strong as its populace is informed. 434 00:21:59,485 --> 00:22:00,986 No, no, no, I was trying to... 435 00:22:01,070 --> 00:22:03,864 Hey, let's cheer once for this kind stranger! 436 00:22:03,948 --> 00:22:06,367 - Hip! Hip! - Hurray! 437 00:22:07,201 --> 00:22:11,413 I guess Princess Carolyn was right. Huh, Todd? Todd? 438 00:22:11,497 --> 00:22:15,209 So, I guess the toughest thing of all was being tough. 439 00:22:15,292 --> 00:22:16,794 - Who are you talking to? - Estelle. 440 00:22:16,877 --> 00:22:19,421 - Who's Estelle? - Just Estelle. You don't know her. 441 00:22:19,505 --> 00:22:22,132 Not everybody needs to know everybody. 442 00:22:22,216 --> 00:22:25,135 Hmm. I have learned two lessons, today. 443 00:22:27,429 --> 00:22:29,306 We still need to cast Philbert's partner. 444 00:22:29,390 --> 00:22:32,351 No more bad boys. We can't take another PR hit. 445 00:22:32,434 --> 00:22:36,438 We need an actor who everybody loves. Someone almost annoyingly positive. 446 00:22:36,522 --> 00:22:39,358 Enthusiastic with zero baggage. 447 00:22:41,819 --> 00:22:44,196 You know who would be perfect? 448 00:22:44,738 --> 00:22:46,574 Uh... 449 00:22:47,116 --> 00:22:49,076 Hey, Flip! Diane. 450 00:22:49,159 --> 00:22:52,454 Yeah, you're the lady who's gonna make my show less sexist, right? 451 00:22:52,538 --> 00:22:55,249 - Well, I'll see what I can do. - Here's what I need. 452 00:22:55,332 --> 00:22:59,420 Sit in my office, don't chew too loud, and collect your paycheck. 453 00:22:59,503 --> 00:23:00,880 Then, when the show comes out, 454 00:23:00,963 --> 00:23:03,048 people will see your name in the credits and say, 455 00:23:03,132 --> 00:23:07,011 "Huh, a lady worked on the show. Guess it's not sexist." 456 00:23:07,094 --> 00:23:09,847 - I can contribute more than that. - Not necessary. 457 00:23:09,930 --> 00:23:14,143 Hey, thanks for being here. You're really making a difference. 458 00:23:14,226 --> 00:23:15,978 Uh... 459 00:23:22,026 --> 00:23:24,320 - Hello, Diane. - Jesus Christ! 460 00:23:24,403 --> 00:23:25,821 I locked the doors this time! 461 00:23:25,905 --> 00:23:28,699 I broke your window, because I needed to talk to you. 462 00:23:28,782 --> 00:23:31,827 - I have a phone! - You were right about Vance. 463 00:23:31,911 --> 00:23:35,831 He just got fired off his new movie after a drunken rant about the Chinese, 464 00:23:35,915 --> 00:23:39,752 and then plowed his Hummer into the side of the Grauman's Egyptian Theatre. 465 00:23:40,210 --> 00:23:43,422 - Not the... Chinese Theatre? - Mhm. 466 00:23:43,505 --> 00:23:47,384 Anyway, his career is over, for about two or three years, 467 00:23:47,468 --> 00:23:49,178 - and then he'll be fine again. - Yeah. 468 00:23:49,261 --> 00:23:52,932 Listen, I'm sorry, the last time I saw you I made things kind of personal. 469 00:23:53,015 --> 00:23:56,101 No, no. You were right. We give these men cover. 470 00:23:56,185 --> 00:23:57,436 And if we give them cover, 471 00:23:57,519 --> 00:23:59,605 we should know exactly what they're capable of. 472 00:23:59,688 --> 00:24:02,566 In fact, I wanted to share this with you... 473 00:24:02,650 --> 00:24:04,777 woman to woman. 474 00:24:05,152 --> 00:24:07,655 She just walked in at the worst possible... 475 00:24:07,905 --> 00:24:11,283 - It wasn't my fault... right? - What is this? 476 00:24:11,367 --> 00:24:13,744 - ... what you're talking about. - On the boat. 477 00:24:13,827 --> 00:24:15,120 There was a girl. 478 00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:17,414 - What? - In New Mexico. 479 00:24:18,082 --> 00:24:20,125 - And she trusted me. - Wha...? 480 00:24:20,209 --> 00:24:21,585 I keep asking myself, 481 00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:24,588 if her mother didn't walk in, would I have done it? 482 00:24:24,672 --> 00:24:27,341 And part of me is sure that I... I couldn't. 483 00:24:28,842 --> 00:24:31,178 But another part knows that's a lie. 484 00:24:32,137 --> 00:24:34,327 How do you make it right when you've made it so wrong, 485 00:24:34,328 --> 00:24:35,474 you can never go back? 486 00:24:39,395 --> 00:24:41,730 sync & correction by f1nc0 - Addic7ed.com ~