1 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,080 I don't know what to make of this case, 2 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,760 and I seem to have spent half my life listening to these two in courtrooms. 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,480 It's hard to understand why someone that is supposed to love you 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,520 could be that cruel. 5 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:20,960 He just kicked me 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:22,960 in the back. 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:24,760 I don't know who to believe. 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,400 It— It didn't happen. 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,240 I don't know how much of it is true. 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:29,320 They're two actors. 11 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,480 You can really just feel how much of a psychopath this woman is! 12 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,160 Jury deliberations are underway 13 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:39,000 in the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard defamation trial. 14 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,280 I've never been this nervous for a verdict. 15 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,960 - ... a TikTok trial. - Why are we all so fascinated? 16 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,160 Because they're famous, because of the details? 17 00:00:46,160 --> 00:00:47,720 I think it's all of the above. 18 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,480 Jury trials are supposed to focus on law and facts. 19 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,400 The jury hears what's submitted into evidence. 20 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,200 I don't see him anymore. 21 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,960 - You are such a baby! Grow the fuck up! 22 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:01,800 You've got the wrong girl. 23 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,960 What didn't the jury see? 24 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,400 Forty-five documents were unsealed by Judge Penney. 25 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,480 - Good morning. - This is so wild. 26 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:09,720 A girl could get used to this. 27 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,120 What wasn't allowed during the course of this trial? 28 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,160 Have a feeling we will see each other again. 29 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,160 Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. You may be seated. 30 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,760 All right, your next witness. 31 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,360 Your Honor, defendant calls Amber Heard. 32 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:45,160 A reminder, Ms. Heard, you're still under oath. 33 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,000 - Of course, Your Honor. Thank you. - Thank you. All right, your question? 34 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,600 How have you suffered publicly? 35 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,040 Objection, speculation. 36 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:55,520 Overruled. 37 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,880 I am harassed... 38 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,760 Amber's a liar. Amber's— 39 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:03,760 That's Amber. 40 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:09,440 humiliated... 41 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,040 I was just sitting there on this— on— on this carpet, 42 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:14,880 looking at the dirty carpet, 43 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,440 wondering how I wound up on this carpet. 44 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,880 threatened every single day. 45 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,120 People want to kill me. 46 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,680 People want to put my baby in the microwave, 47 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:30,360 and they tell me that. 48 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,880 What has it been like for you to listen 49 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,880 to Ms. Heard's testimony at this trial? 50 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:43,520 It's— 51 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:45,920 It's insane 52 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,160 to hear 53 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:54,080 heinous accusations of violence, 54 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:55,400 sexual violence, 55 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,400 that she's attributed to me, that she's accused me of. 56 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:02,720 This is horrible. 57 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:05,520 This is painful. 58 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,520 And this is humiliating for any human being to go through. 59 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,200 And perhaps it's easy to forget that, 60 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,040 but I'm a human being. 61 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:19,200 Brutal. 62 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:20,160 Cruel. 63 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:22,640 Um... 64 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,000 and all... false. 65 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:30,160 All false. 66 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,120 I just want Johnny to leave me alone. 67 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:36,960 I just want him to leave me alone. 68 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,560 I just find the whole thing uncomfortable to watch. 69 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,320 - I haven't plugged into it at all. - Oh, then you can't say anything. 70 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,440 I don't really wanna see such intimate detail of— 71 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,640 It is a bit of sort of dirty— dirty laundry, isn't it? 72 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,560 - Yeah. - Yeah, it's like a movie. 73 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,440 Yeah, and these are really serious allegations here. 74 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,040 But it has become kind of dramatized, you know, before our very eyes. 75 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:04,800 The jury has a very, very tough job here trying to decide who the abuser is, 76 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:05,840 who the victim is. 77 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,480 I mean, it— it's— it's really a wild trial here. 78 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,320 It's not just about defamation anymore. 79 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,600 They really have a big, difficult job here. 80 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,480 There's only one person 81 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:21,240 to have ever witnessed Johnny be physically violent with Amber... 82 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,960 - Hmm. - And it's her little sister. 83 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,200 Whitney Heard. 84 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,760 Today we'll be digging into all the nitty-gritty 85 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,480 of the staircase incident with Johnny, Amber, 86 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,360 and her sister, Whitney. 87 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,800 This happened about a week after the Australia incident. 88 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,480 Uh, I believe that this is 89 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,360 from w-w-w-what's been called the "staircase incident." 90 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:51,160 I woke up to Amber in my bedroom saying, "Can you believe he's cheating on me?" 91 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,880 I went down there to talk to him, and I can tell he's clearly drunk. 92 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,640 I found his iPad open. 93 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,240 He was texting someone. 94 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,320 He was texting this woman, 95 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,440 um, that he had had a sexual relationship with. 96 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,760 I saw that he had gone to her house 97 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,960 after we got married. 98 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,080 Unbelievably painful. 99 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,480 Do you recall what Ms. Heard was upset about at this time? 100 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,480 I do not. I really don't. 101 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,080 Amber and I are on the little mezzanine. 102 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,880 The kitchen's down here, and the mezzanine's up here. 103 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,120 You know, he's calling her a "fucking whore," 104 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,400 "fucking cunt," "used-up trash bag." 105 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,080 You know, whatever. They were saying horrible things to one another. 106 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:44,960 She was calling him "old and fat." 107 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,120 He bolted up the stairs. 108 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,720 Whitney, her sister, was there, who... 109 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,640 who stepped in the way. 110 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,400 He comes up behind me, 111 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,720 strikes me in the back kind of just somewhere over here. 112 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,920 He strikes me in the back, I hear Amber shout, 113 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,600 "Don't hit my fucking sister." 114 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,760 Amber snuck in the— 115 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:10,800 She... reached and got the roundhouse in and nailed me on the cheek bone. 116 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,760 By that time, Johnny had already grabbed Amber 117 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,160 by the hair with one hand 118 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,280 and was whacking her repeatedly in the face with the other, 119 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:27,680 as I was standing there. 120 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,800 It is the only instance where a witness, Amber's sister, 121 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,480 is claiming to have actually witnessed firsthand assault 122 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,200 alleged against Johnny Depp. 123 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,840 grabbed Amber by the hair with one hand 124 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:45,520 and was whacking her repeatedly in the face with the other. 125 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,200 I don't hesitate, I don't wait, I just, in my head, instantly think 126 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,720 of Kate Moss and the stairs. 127 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,640 Amber Heard, in her direct testimony, 128 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,280 - mentioned Kate Moss. - Kate Moss. 129 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:02,800 One interesting thing that's happened that, now, 130 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,560 the Internet's going crazy over 131 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,560 is he turned and gave a— like, did a fist-pump... 132 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,720 - Kate Moss. - ... right to his co-counsel. 133 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,480 There's a concept in trial law 134 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,360 called "opening the door." 135 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,720 Like, "Maybe there's something we both agree is irrelevant." 136 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,440 But, on my side of things, it would help me 137 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:21,880 and help my case, 138 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,160 but I know I can't bring it up, because the judge says it's irrelevant, 139 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,120 or it's too prejudicial, or whatever. 140 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:28,120 Don't say that. 141 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:29,680 Kate Moss and the stairs. 142 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,760 Johnny Depp picked up on it first, actually. 143 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,600 He smiled like, "I can't believe she just said that," 144 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,480 because it opened the door. 145 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,800 - Yeah. - Kate Moss was not going to testify. 146 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,520 This was a real pivotal moment 147 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,560 because this allowed both Ben Chew and Camille Vasquez to say 148 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,680 that there are no other victims here, right? 149 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,880 You thought he was gonna throw your sister down the stairs 150 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,560 like he had thrown Kate Moss down the stairs, right? 151 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,640 He swung at Whitney, and I'd heard a rumor, 152 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,520 a vague rumor, about that. 153 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:00,720 And so it's what I thought of. 154 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,080 If Kate Moss were to come in and say, "No, Johnny was never physically abusive 155 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,040 or anything to me," 156 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:12,280 then that would be a really big, detrimental thing to Amber's case. 157 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,320 Jurors are told, "It's your job to evaluate credibility." 158 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,040 And, you know, if you find someone is lying on one issue, 159 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,840 you can conclude they're liars in general. 160 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,920 I know the truth about Johnny. 161 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,360 The relationship between Johnny Depp and Kate Moss. 162 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,640 A lot of people in the media, back then when they were dating, 163 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,400 it was looked at as somewhat of a volatile relationship. 164 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,360 Johnny Depp was arrested for trashing a hotel room. 165 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,280 I believe in fairness and justice. 166 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,600 I believe in the truth. 167 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,040 Johnny! 168 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,560 Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. 169 00:08:56,560 --> 00:08:58,320 Please be seated. Your next witness. 170 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,920 Good morning, Your Honor. 171 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:03,120 Um, Mr. Depp calls Kate Moss to the stand. 172 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,280 Thank you, ma'am. If you could raise your right hand. 173 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,680 Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth under penalty of law? 174 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,200 - I do. - Thank you. 175 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,880 For how long, Ms. Moss, were you and Mr. Depp a romantic couple? 176 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,040 Ninety-four to 1998. 177 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:27,680 What, if anything, happened when you were in Jamaica with Mr. Depp? 178 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:30,080 We were leaving the room, 179 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,480 and, as I left the room, 180 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,480 I slid down the stairs 181 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:36,800 and I hurt my back. 182 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,200 Did Mr. Depp push you in any way down the stairs? 183 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:42,200 No. 184 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:47,280 During the course of your relationship, did he ever push you down any stairs? 185 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,760 No, he never pushed me, 186 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:54,240 kicked me, or threw me... down any stairs. 187 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:56,360 Thank you, Ms. Moss. 188 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,000 Thank you very much. Thank you. 189 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,880 These jurors are supposed to be listening to every single word 190 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,000 of everything that's going on. 191 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,600 The problem is they might stop listening to you 192 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,800 because, at that moment, they no longer find you credible. 193 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,960 That moment was very damaging for Amber Heard. 194 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:23,840 Don't know what the jury is thinking, 195 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,320 but if it's a credibility game, 196 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,000 which it is, 197 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,880 they may have tuned out to the rest of her case... 198 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,040 whacking her repeatedly in the face with the other. 199 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,520 because of that very moment. 200 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,240 This— This case rests on the sentence. 201 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,560 The first sentence of that— of that article. 202 00:10:41,560 --> 00:10:42,920 - Yeah. - "I was—" 203 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,480 "I was— I became the face of domestic violence." 204 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,720 And the case really is, the lawyers' case is, 205 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,760 "We are gonna prove that everything you said is not true." 206 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,760 All right, your next witness. 207 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,800 "You're making this stuff up." 208 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,440 Could you state your full name for the record? 209 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,120 - Shannon Curry. - What do you do for a living? 210 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,920 I am a clinical and forensic psychologist. 211 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,240 How'd you get involved in this case? 212 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,880 I was asked, uh, by counsel for Mr. Depp 213 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,120 to provide a psychological evaluation of Ms. Heard. 214 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,720 Were you ever asked to do a psychological evaluation of Mr. Depp? 215 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:27,640 No. 216 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,800 During the trial, both sides have been using mental health 217 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,280 and substance addiction as weapons 218 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:34,480 against the other team. 219 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,800 And what usually happens is the people bringing the case 220 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,560 usually have a mental health expert 221 00:11:39,560 --> 00:11:43,680 diagnosing the opposing person with a bad mental health disorder. 222 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,920 The results of Ms. Heard's evaluation supported two diagnoses, 223 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:53,400 borderline personality disorder and histrionic personality disorder. 224 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,680 And then the person defending themselves in the trial will typically try to say, 225 00:11:57,680 --> 00:11:59,600 "No, no, no, I don't have that bad diagnosis." 226 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,000 "I have something that evokes more pity from a jury and an audience, 227 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,240 something like PTSD." 228 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:09,920 Okay, so I met with Ms. Heard, um, for a total of about 29 hours. 229 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,560 The main opinion is that Ms. Heard's report 230 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:14,320 of intimate partner violence 231 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,720 is consistent with what we know in the field 232 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,960 about intimate partner violence, 233 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,200 and that Ms. Heard demonstrated 234 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,440 very clear psychological and traumatic effects. 235 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,600 And did you arrive at any diagnostic conclusions? 236 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,320 I diagnosed, uh, Ms. Heard with post-traumatic stress disorder. 237 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,920 Ms. Heard did not have PTSD, 238 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,800 and there were also pretty significant indications 239 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,720 that she was grossly exaggerating symptoms of PTSD. 240 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,840 We know that if somebody suffers childhood abuse as a child, 241 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:53,160 they're much more likely, then, to be more vulnerable to getting PTSD. 242 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,280 She was raised in a family of violence. 243 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,520 She was physically abused by her father, 244 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,480 uh, she saw her father abuse her mother, 245 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:07,000 and both her parents also struggled with substance abuse very significantly, 246 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,880 so she had learned from a very early age how to caretake. 247 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:12,600 When it comes to histrionic, 248 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,080 a lot of the key features are going to be drama, 249 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,160 extreme discomfort with not being the center of attention, 250 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,960 extreme efforts to be the center of attention, 251 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,240 and when they feel that they're not the center of attention, 252 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,880 you will see making up stories to try to get attention, 253 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,880 often taking on a victim or a princess role. 254 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,760 She learned that she could love someone who hurts her. 255 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,120 She knew that people who hurt her also can love her. 256 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,160 It also represented the quick shifts you'll see between emotions. 257 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,640 So, she would suddenly be one way, 258 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,520 and then she would become very animated. 259 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:57,200 People who are observing them will feel like, uh, it's almost playacting. 260 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,320 It became about whether people thought she was lying, 261 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,520 how Heard was acting on the stand, the way she looked shifty. 262 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,280 As it sort of snowballed out of control, 263 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,600 it became much, much, much, much less about that actual simple yes-no question, 264 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,400 "Can she call herself a victim of domestic abuse?" 265 00:14:17,560 --> 00:14:19,840 Let's go back to the— there was a plane incident 266 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,160 where Depp allegedly kicked Amber Heard on a plane. 267 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,160 I believe it was in 2014. 268 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,360 Just going back to the incident where Depp and Heard 269 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,040 got in a fight on an airplane. 270 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,640 So I'm going to take you to the Boston plane incident. 271 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,840 The plan, we'd go back to L.A. for his daughter's birthday. 272 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,120 And I get on the plane. 273 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,600 And I, uh, ju— I just knew in every cell of my body 274 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,040 something was wrong. 275 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,200 Just boil it down to that one incident. 276 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,840 All the little details, like, don't really have anything to do 277 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,200 with proving whether a crime happened. 278 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,560 The goal is to prove that she's lying. 279 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,640 - Good morning, Mr. Wyatt. - Good morning. 280 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:11,040 Mr. Wyatt, was Mr. Depp consuming any alcohol on that flight? 281 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:12,240 Sure. Yes. 282 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:13,920 Did he seem intoxicated? 283 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:16,640 "Seem intoxicated"? I— 284 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,440 No, he seemed like Johnny. No, he seemed normal. 285 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,760 He reeks of weed and alcohol. 286 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,480 I mean, his breath smelled so bad. 287 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,600 Well, she was giving Johnny the cold shoulder, 288 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:34,240 being quiet, and, uh, you know, seemed pouty. 289 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,320 We had argued the night before. 290 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,280 She was looking for a fight, 291 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,240 and I had taken two 292 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,760 of these, um, opiates, these Roxicodones. 293 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:54,800 He was mad at me for taking the job with James Franco. 294 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,840 - Amber! 295 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,440 He hated James Franco. 296 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,920 So he, um, is asking me about how the sex scene went, 297 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,280 to asking me what James Franco had done in the scene. 298 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:14,760 He was saying really disgusting things about my body, 299 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,200 about how I liked it. 300 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,760 He called me a slut in front of people. 301 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:25,640 To what extent were you able to see Mr. Depp and Ms. Heard? 302 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,720 Uh, i-it— it— I was able to see them very clearly. 303 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,560 Wasn't Mr. Depp saying pretty horrible things to Ms. Heard? 304 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:34,920 I don't recall that. 305 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,640 Like, "Get fucked on set"? 306 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,280 "Get fucked with fucking James fucking Franco"? 307 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,200 - Did you hear that? - I don't recall. 308 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,120 Did you hear him say, "At least you fucking liked it"? 309 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:45,040 No. 310 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,960 Did you hear him say, "I bet you slipped a tongue in there and liked it"? 311 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,080 No. 312 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,160 Did you hear him say— make references to Amber's pussy, 313 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:53,720 and asking if her pussy was wet? 314 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,320 Your Honor, lack of foundation, harassment. 315 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:57,800 Did you hear any of that? 316 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,120 - No, not that I recall. - Overrule the objection. 317 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,240 I, at some point in this, get up. 318 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,080 I walk away from him. 319 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,880 My back is turned to him, and I feel this... boot 320 00:17:13,120 --> 00:17:14,000 in my back. 321 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:16,920 He just kicked me 322 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:18,840 in the back. 323 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:21,400 And I— I didn't— 324 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,240 I thought to myself, "Fuck. I don't know what to do." 325 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,040 No one said anything, no one did anything. 326 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:29,560 It was like you could h— 327 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,160 You could hear a pin drop on that plane. 328 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,720 You could feel the tension, but no one did anything. 329 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,800 I felt so embarrassed that he could kick me to the ground 330 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,640 in front of people. 331 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,560 To what extent, if any, 332 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,560 did you observe Mr. Depp or Ms. Heard 333 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,360 hit, kick, or throw anything at each other on the plane? 334 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:52,520 No, I don't recall that at all. 335 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,840 As he got worse, he demanded the oxygen tank 336 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,720 from the flight attendants. 337 00:17:58,360 --> 00:18:03,480 You shared an oxygen tank with Mr. Depp on that Boston plane. 338 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:04,720 - Didn't you? - No. 339 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:05,920 He continued to drink, 340 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:11,080 and then eventually, um, started howling like an animal. 341 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,920 And passed out in the bathroom... 342 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,240 with the door locked. 343 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:26,720 Okay. 344 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,000 Mr. Wyatt, did you see Mr. Depp, 345 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,840 uh, go to the back of the plane and pass out and moan loudly? 346 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,280 - I don't recall that. - You don't recall that either? 347 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:38,480 - No. - Okay. 348 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,800 Did you leave the plane with Mr. Depp? 349 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,000 I went to my own home. 350 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,000 Okay, and what was Mr. Depp's state? 351 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:48,880 I don't recall. 352 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,400 You don't recall if he was passed out or not? 353 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,000 No. 354 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,560 As you're sitting here today, under oath, 355 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,160 you honestly can't remember if Mr. Depp was passed out? 356 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,080 I don't know. 357 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,120 And Mr. Depp could have kicked Amber on that plane, right? 358 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,160 Not that I saw. 359 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,960 When you got off the plane from Boston, you knew Ms. Heard 360 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,920 was angry with you, didn't you? 361 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,320 She was always angry, yes. 362 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,240 And you asked Mr. Deuters— He was your personal assist— 363 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,280 Mr. Deuters was your personal assistant, correct? 364 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,440 Yeah, Mr. Deuters was one of them, yes, sir. 365 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,360 Right, and it wasn't uncommon for you to ask Mr. Deuters 366 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:30,480 to communicate with Ms. Heard on your behalf, correct? 367 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,840 It wasn't uncommon for any of them to communicate, 368 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,520 uh, with Ms. Heard on my behalf. 369 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,000 Deuters never testified. 370 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,840 So with Depp on the witness stand for the second time, 371 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,760 here's what happened when Amber Heard's defense attorney 372 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,240 tried to show texts from Depp's assistant to the jury. 373 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,720 Can you pull up Exhibit 229, please? 374 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,240 Based on Mr. Depp's testimony, 375 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,600 I'd ask to move for the admission of Exhibit 229. 376 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:03,560 Your Honor— 377 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:04,800 - Can we please approach? - Sure. 378 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,160 Some people are saying in the chat that Deuters' texts, 379 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:15,800 if that's what we're about to see, 380 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,880 they're— they're not gonna look good for Johnny. 381 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,040 Came up in the UK trial as well. Um... 382 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,880 About ki— Uh, something about kicking Amber. 383 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,200 They didn't get that Deuters stuff in. 384 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:32,240 Okay. 385 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,960 After that sidebar, attorney Ben Rottenborn moves on, 386 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,840 and those texts stay out of evidence. 387 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,840 You know, there was so much evidence in this case. 388 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,160 In the pre-trial hearings, they have to, you know, rule 389 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,960 what is admissible, what isn't, just so that when we get to trial, 390 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,600 we can, you know, speed things along, 391 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,160 only have what's, you know, essential for the trial, 392 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:58,760 for the jurors to make up their mind. 393 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,280 Why would you want to exclude evidence? 394 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,280 Because it hurts you. That's why. 395 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,120 - Depp is a master actor, dude. 396 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:13,440 He seduced all of us by barely moving. 397 00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:17,560 It's your decision whether you want to separate the art from the artist. 398 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:18,760 - Mm-hmm. - Um... 399 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,760 I think Johnny Depp is a terrific actor. 400 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,920 I also happen to think he's a violent lover. 401 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,400 He's a likeable guy, 402 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,520 other than these horrific allegations, right? 403 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,640 Everybody loved him in The Pirates of the Caribbean, 404 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,280 and there's a little bit of what's called a halo effect around him. 405 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,360 But that's why these photos, the texts, the testimony, is so devastating, 406 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:46,160 because it shatters that perception we have of Mr. Depp. 407 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,280 Paul Bettany's a good friend that you've done drugs with, right? 408 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,200 That's a strange question. 409 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,440 Um, Paul Bettany's a good friend. Yes. 410 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,960 The two of you shared an enjoyment of controlled drugs and alcohol 411 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:01,560 at that time, yes or no? 412 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:02,920 Yes. 413 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,120 - You've done drugs with him? - Yes, I have. 414 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:06,960 Cocaine, right? 415 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,000 Uh, cocaine, yes. 416 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,040 Alcohol. 417 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:10,600 Alcohol, yes. 418 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,400 Now you try to conduct yourself as a gentleman, right? 419 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,080 Yes, sir. 420 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,920 Mr. Depp, this is a text message exchange 421 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,960 that you had with Paul Bettany 422 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,560 on June 11th, 2013. 423 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,920 You text Mr. Bettany, "Let's burn Amber." 424 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,720 - You see that? - I do see that. 425 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,160 The next text down, you say... 426 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:42,760 Did I read that right? 427 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:44,640 You certainly did, yes. 428 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,760 And you wrote that about the woman who would later become your wife. 429 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:49,200 Yes, I did. 430 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,800 Dark humor. 431 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,280 The text messages that— it— 432 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,240 I apologize that everyone's had to, uh, experience. 433 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,760 I am ashamed of, uh— 434 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,240 of some of the references, uh, made. 435 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:10,240 I'm, uh, embarrassed that, at the time, 436 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,680 the heat of the moment, 437 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,480 the heat of the pain... 438 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,560 um, that I was feeling, 439 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:21,000 um, went to— 440 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,720 went to dark places. 441 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,360 Thank you, you may be seated. All right, closing arguments. 442 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:32,320 Mr. Rottenborn? 443 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:33,880 - Thanks. - Okay, thank you. 444 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,880 Good morning everyone. Think about the message 445 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,640 that Mr. Depp and his attorneys are sending to Amber, 446 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,840 and by extension, to every victim of domestic abuse everywhere. 447 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,560 When Mr. Depp brought this case for defamation, 448 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,560 Ms. Heard went all in. 449 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:54,720 She spun a story of shocking, overwhelming, brutal abuse. 450 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,560 "If you didn't take pictures, it didn't happen." 451 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,480 "If you did take pictures, they're fake." 452 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,280 She came into this courtroom 453 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,000 prepared to give the performance of her life, and she gave it. 454 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,000 "You didn't seek medical treatment, you weren't injured." 455 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,880 "If you did seek medical treatment, 456 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:15,400 you're crazy." 457 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:18,800 Now it's time for you, the jury, 458 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,120 to come to a decision. 459 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,120 This trial is about so much more than Johnny Depp versus Amber Heard. 460 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,760 What is at stake in this trial is a man's good name. 461 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,240 It's about the freedom of speech. Stand up for it, protect it... 462 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,760 What is at stake at this trial is a man's life... 463 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,280 and reject Mr. Depp's claims against Amber. 464 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,280 the life that he lost when he was accused of a heinous crime... 465 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:45,920 But he doesn't stop there, 466 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,200 because in Mr. Depp's world, you don't leave Mr. Depp. 467 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,320 and the life he could live when he is finally vindicated. 468 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,160 And if you do, 469 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,720 he will start a campaign of global humiliation against you... 470 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,280 The mountain of evidence that Mr. Depp abused Ms. Heard 471 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,040 is simply not there. 472 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,960 a smear campaign that lasts to this very day. 473 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,720 Either he hit her countless times, 474 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,920 or you can't believe a single word that comes out of her mouth. 475 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,720 He will do everything he can to destroy your life, 476 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:17,840 to destroy your career. 477 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:21,240 All right. It is out of my hands. 478 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,560 So just a reminder that you're not to read anything about this case, 479 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,640 you're not to watch anything about this case, 480 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,160 you're not to listen to anything about this case. 481 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,640 This applies to television, newspapers, magazines, 482 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,840 the Internet, and any online sites. 483 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,840 Further, you're not to read, watch, or listen to anything about the case 484 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,880 on social media n— sites, 485 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,920 uh, any blogs, or similar sites. 486 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,840 In addition, you must not communicate with anyone about the case... 487 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,000 Tonight, with his high-profile defamation case 488 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,640 now in the hands of the jury, Johnny Depp is letting his hair down. 489 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,600 The actor, spotted performing on stage in England 490 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,120 after explosive closing arguments Friday. 491 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,800 Dear Johnny Depp, I stand with you. 492 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,560 I stand with you. 493 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,040 I stand with you. 494 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,400 On TikTok, the hashtag "Justice for Johnny Depp" 495 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,960 now has nearly 20 billion views, 496 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,720 while the hashtag "Justice for Amber Heard" 497 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,120 has 77.5 million. 498 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,360 Well, I do. 499 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,040 Jury's been dismissed for the weekend, 500 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,080 so that's it. 501 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,080 Now we have a long weekend 502 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,600 and wait until Tuesday. What are we going to do? 503 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:05,000 We can come to a few conclusions, none very good. 504 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,840 To manage your anxiety, I'll keep you updated. 505 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,920 Guys, is anyone else freaking out? 506 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,200 We have to wait an entire weekend to see what's going on in this case. 507 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,760 Sorry for shaking the camera but I am stressed. 508 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,200 I'm not gonna be able to relax now. 509 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,000 I'm gonna be thinking about this all weekend. I'm freaking out. 510 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,160 How long is this going to take? 511 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:29,400 If you think about it, right now, Johnny Depp and the public 512 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,520 is about as radioactive as Chernobyl soil, 513 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,960 and there is a real risk that not only could he lose this case as the plaintiff, 514 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,400 but Heard has a $100 million counterclaim against him, 515 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:46,520 so this thing could get real bad, even worse, real fast for Mr. Depp. 516 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,120 I thought it was important to come out 517 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:51,000 because she didn't really have any supporters out here, 518 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,280 um, I think especially today. 519 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:53,520 I'm the only one out here. 520 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,000 Man, my heart is racing. 521 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,680 It is literally like, "Whoo!" 522 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,240 I am— I've never been this nervous for a verdict before. 523 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,840 So we've got literally five minutes. So guys, which way is it gonna go? 524 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,600 I've asked you, and on the poll, 525 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,480 it's gone up to 74% of you think that Johnny will win, 526 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,880 with "neither" being the next choice. 527 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,560 So, you're in court now. Whatever else is going on in your life, 528 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,040 it's like, "I'm sorry, I have— Court has resumed." 529 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,760 Oh, here's the barn witch. Here she is. 530 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,160 Oh, shit! Oh, shit! 531 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,360 She looks so happy. 532 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,360 Oh, I can't wait to see that smile turn upside down. 533 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,160 Fingers crossed, fingers crossed. 534 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,080 Yeah, Amber Heard is the only one in court. 535 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,080 Johnny Depp is currently in the UK. 536 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,920 He's not at the courtroom. She's gone to the courtroom, 537 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,640 Amber Heard, and is apparently— 538 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,440 Her people are already saying, "Well, doesn't this say it all?" 539 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,680 Ready for the jury. 540 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,760 "He's gallivanting on a rock concert over there." 541 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,360 They look stoic. What do you guys think in the chat? 542 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,160 I wonder who the jury's looking at. 543 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,680 All right, Mr. Foreperson, is this the verdict of the jury? 544 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,200 - Yes, Your Honor. - All right, is it unanimous? 545 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,160 Yes, Your Honor. 546 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,640 All right, let's see it. 547 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,040 In civil case number CL-2019... 548 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,840 I got my megapint ready. Oh, my God. 549 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,480 Mr. Depp's claim against Ms. Heard. 550 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:31,400 Here we go. 551 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,680 - One, as to the statement... - Here we go. 552 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,960 appearing in the online op-ed entitled, "Amber Heard: I Spoke Up... 553 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,880 Statement one, the headline. 554 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,840 "... and Faced our Culture's Wrath," do you find that Mr. Depp 555 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,120 has proven all the elements of defamation? 556 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,800 Answer, yes. 557 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,080 - Boom! - Damn! 558 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,480 - Depp wins count one. 559 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,440 Oh, shit! 560 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,920 the statement was made or published by Ms. Heard? 561 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,360 - Answer, yes. - Wow! 562 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,800 The stated question, the statement was about Mr. Depp? 563 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,280 Answer, yes. 564 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,960 Question, the statement was false? 565 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,400 Answer, yes. 566 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,080 Yes! He's winning. 567 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,720 Question, the statement has a defamatory implication 568 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:14,800 about Mr. Depp? 569 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,600 Answer, yes. 570 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:17,760 - Yeah! 571 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,560 - It's gone Johnny's way. 572 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,200 Do you find that Mr. Depp has proven... 573 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,680 - Very interested in this one. - ... all the elements of defamation? 574 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,320 Answer, yes. 575 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:33,640 Question, defamatory implication was designed and intended by Ms. Heard? 576 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,600 - Answer, yes. 577 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,960 Question, do you find that Mr. Depp has proven 578 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,040 all the elements of defamation? 579 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,720 Answer, yes. 580 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,480 - No way! 581 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,200 Has Mr. Depp proven by a greater weight of the evidence, 582 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,640 question, the defamatory implication... 583 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,440 - Oh my God. - ... was designed and intended by Ms. Heard? 584 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,120 Answer, yes. 585 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,760 - All yesses. Holy shit. 586 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:01,000 Wow. 587 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,680 We the jury award compensatory damages 588 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,040 in the amount of ten million dollars. 589 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,520 - Yeah! 590 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,720 - Ten million dollars! 591 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,680 We the jury award punitive damages 592 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,520 in the amount of five million dollars. 593 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,640 - Oh! - Yes! 594 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,160 Oh, my God. 595 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,800 Do you find that Ms. Heard has proven all the elements of defamation? 596 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:24,760 Answer, yes. 597 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,160 - Oh. - Oh! 598 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,160 She wins one count in her counterclaim. 599 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,200 As against John C. Depp II, 600 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,640 we the jury award compensatory damages in the amount of two million dollars. 601 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:36,800 Oh, my God. 602 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,720 Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your service on this case. 603 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,520 I wanna thank you again for your dedication 604 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,080 and your hard work during this trial, and I know I speak for everybody here. 605 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:52,080 Johnny! Johnny! Johnny! Johnny! Johnny! Johnny! 606 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,640 Johnny Depp and Amber Heard defamation trial announced its verdict, 607 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,560 ruling in favor of Johnny Depp. 608 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,600 Love you, Johnny! We love you, Johnny! We lo— 609 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,680 Oi, John, Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, I love you, bro. I love you, bro. 610 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,000 A verdict with little victory when the battle has been so brutal. 611 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,400 Amber Heard was not a good witness, and juries react to that. 612 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,160 I think the jury got it wrong, Jake. 613 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,280 I'm very disappointed in the jury verdict. 614 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,920 I think this is another big win for powerful men, 615 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,320 and it's a colossal loss for women. 616 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,400 This was a humiliation ritual intending to put women in their place. 617 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,120 If you speak out about abuse, 618 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,200 there will be consequences. 619 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,480 It was the verdict we all wanted, guys. 620 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:53,440 Yay! 621 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,920 Johnny Depp, Depp, Depp! Johnny Depp, Depp, Depp! 622 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,040 The pleasure with which we're humiliating Amber Heard 623 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,280 is— is just as, I— I think, troubling 624 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,880 as— as the glamorization of— of— of Johnny Depp in this story. 625 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,640 When it's somebody that we know, somebody that we maybe like, 626 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,400 they don't wanna have to think this person is really capable 627 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,080 of doing what's alleged in court. 628 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,720 I've never had as many emails, uh, as I've received about this very topic. 629 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,920 I've heard from men who have been, uh, abused, 630 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,720 I've heard from women who are survivors who don't believe Amber Heard 631 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,360 and say she's hurting, uh, survivors. So there's a lot of feelings out there. 632 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,920 But one of the things I hope that this trial raises some awareness of 633 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,200 is the complexity of domestic violence 634 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,840 and some of the gendered implications of it, 635 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,640 particularly when we're talking about male victims of domestic violence. 636 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,040 This powerful open letter states that they don't stand with her, 637 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,840 they don't accept that she is who she claimed to be. 638 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,560 "We will not stand with you." 639 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,680 "We supported you, we wept for you, 640 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,200 we rallied behind you, 641 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,360 and you betrayed us all." 642 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,480 I'm feeling incredibly triggered and re-traumatized 643 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,320 as someone who's experienced relationship abuse in the past, 644 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,960 but I'm not feeling triggered on behalf of Johnny Depp. 645 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,680 What we're seeing happen, stereotypes that are coming out, right, 646 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,240 uh, that were calling A-Amber Heard a liar, who— glorifying, uh, Johnny Depp 647 00:34:55,240 --> 00:34:58,440 as-as-as-as this amazing man, right, 648 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,960 um, is the reason why Me Too started. 649 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,600 It's the— It's— It's— 650 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,280 It's why activists really wanted to fight for this movement 651 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,920 and why it's so important, because women didn't feel, 652 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,440 and— and, you know, survivors of all genders, 653 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,960 didn't feel like they could report, didn't feel like it was gonna be welcome. 654 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,800 What does it mean for that? Are we at the end of Me Too? 655 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,080 Is this a reversal? Wh— Where are we? 656 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,840 I mean, it's a backlash to Me Too, 657 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,200 and what we're seeing unfold on the Internet 658 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,120 is that we're proving them right. 659 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,560 We're— We're— We're saying that, "Yes, you will be silenced, 660 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:28,840 you will be humiliated." 661 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,200 I'm not taking any sides. 662 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,240 It sounds like Heard did allegedly do 663 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:34,640 some malicious shit during the course of their relationship. 664 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,160 But I am feeling some kind of way 665 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,600 about the way that Heard is being inhumanely attacked 666 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,840 every day on a global scale. 667 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,160 And here's what this means for victims of abuse, 668 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,120 fewer victims will come forward, especially if they haven't been perfect 669 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,320 during the course of their relationship with the abuser. 670 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,480 So if you're not the perfect victim because you did something wrong, 671 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,160 you fought back, you're an imperfect person, 672 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,760 then the world will lob every available insult at you 673 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,160 to get you to shut up. 674 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,400 First question, how is Amber doing? 675 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,360 One of the first things she said is, 676 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,760 "I am so sorry to all those women out there." 677 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,040 This is a setback for all women in and outside the courtroom. 678 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,840 Let me ask you about social media. 679 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,920 It was incredibly lopsided and vitriolic against Amber Heard. 680 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,840 Do you think that had an effect on the case? 681 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,960 - Absolutely. - You think jurors were aware? 682 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,320 How can you not? They went home every night. 683 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,760 They have families, the families are on social media. 684 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:47,520 Do you believe the jurors saw any of that, were swayed by any of that? 685 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:48,440 No. 686 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,840 I don't think there's any reason to believe 687 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,800 that the jurors violated their oath. 688 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,880 had a ten-day break in the middle because of the judicial conference. 689 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,840 There's no way they couldn't have been influenced by it, 690 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,880 and it was horrible. 691 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,760 It is everywhere, but at the same time, they were admonished every single night, 692 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,920 and, uh, they had an— tremendous amount of respect, 693 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,480 I think, for the court and the process, 694 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,000 and they were doing the best that they could. 695 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,400 I— I was against cameras in the courtroom. 696 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,840 And I went on record with that, 697 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,440 and— and had argued against it because of the sensitive nature of this. 698 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:22,520 But it made it a zoo. 699 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,960 By allowing cameras into the trial, 700 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,480 you opened up the space for TikTok memes. 701 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,680 I mean, you did have, obviously, like, competing social media hashtags, right— 702 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,640 - Yeah. - ... in support for one or the other. 703 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,720 But there was a lot of research showing that the hashtags for Johnny Depp 704 00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:40,800 had been essentially created and proliferated and manipulated 705 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,560 far and wide across the Internet. 706 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:45,320 People say it's bots. 707 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,400 The scale of, like, the misinformation about this trial is truly unprecedented. 708 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,480 Okay, I'm watching this interview with Amber Heard's lawyer. 709 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,200 She's very articulate, by the way, which is completely in contrast 710 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,600 to the way that she was portrayed on social media. 711 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,520 And so, naturally, go to check out the comments, 712 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:01,840 they're all very disparaging. 713 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:07,760 They're racking up tons of likes, 16,000, 25,000, 33,000, 714 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,920 but when you actually go to click into these profiles, they're all fake. 715 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,920 Like, none of these people are real. 716 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,200 Zero content. 717 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:20,160 And then you start to realize, like, these are probably bots. 718 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,480 And when you actually click on the profile of the person who posted this video, 719 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,640 it's a super pro-Johnny Depp fan account, which is probably a bot too. 720 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,280 We're being influenced by bots interacting with bots interacting with bots. 721 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,120 Do you know anything about an online campaign, 722 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,520 uh, on behalf of Johnny Depp? 723 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,520 That was absolutely absurd and baseless. 724 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,560 And— And you know for a fact that neither he nor his agents nor anyone 725 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,680 tried to, in some way, pay for 726 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,840 or otherwise encourage this kind of social media— 727 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,320 - Categorically false. Categorically false. - Categorically? 728 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,640 Oh, my God! Oh, my God! 729 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:56,560 Yes! 730 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,720 Johnny just looked at us and pointed at us! 731 00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:03,400 - Thank you. - Than— Well, I gotta thank you. 732 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,520 - No, man. - I— I've been through a similar thing. 733 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,520 And I'm just so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. 734 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:08,800 You— You didn't give up. 735 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,720 It helped make sure people heard the truth. 736 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:14,080 Guys, I met Johnny Depp. 737 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,400 I'm not just saying I shook his hand, 738 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:21,680 I spent time, quality time, with Johnny Depp. 739 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,840 You— You— You— You guys were the warriors. I mean... 740 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,200 It— It— It— It stunned me. 741 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,920 It— It stunned me that— that all of you could— 742 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,040 that all of you got together and— and... 743 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,320 lifted me above the— the, um... 744 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,120 the horror show. 745 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,040 Yeah. 746 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,160 You know? 747 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,040 By the way, I learned so much from you guys. 748 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,920 I learned so much from watching you guys. 749 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,480 This is the case that, though there is a verdict, 750 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,800 just will not end. 751 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,800 Why? Because Amber Heard has not stopped talking about this case. 752 00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,720 She sat down for an exclusive interview 753 00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:02,280 with Savannah Guthrie. You guys are gonna wanna hear this one. 754 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,360 Even if you think that I'm lying, 755 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,480 you still couldn't look me in the eye and tell me 756 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,120 that you think, on social media, 757 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,760 there's been a fair representation. 758 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,040 Yeah, because you lied! And the public didn't buy— 759 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,160 isn't falling for your nonsense anymore. 760 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,680 - The jury's not immune to that. - You think the jury saw it? 761 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,120 How could they not? 762 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,800 I think even the most well-intentioned juror, 763 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,560 it would have been impossible to avoid this. 764 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,640 Hi, everybody there on, um, Andy's, um, Popcorned Planet. 765 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,960 I've... I can only say thank you 766 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,360 from— from the— from the very recesses of, uh— 767 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,560 of my being, um, for all— 768 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,640 for everything, for being f— around for me, 769 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,080 for your support, and, uh... 770 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:48,520 thank you. 771 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,880 Thank you, thank you. A lot of survivors wanna thank you. 772 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,160 Thank you for everything, man. 773 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,080 - Aw. - Incredible. 774 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,880 There's an abundance of people 775 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,120 who also agree and think that you're lying, 776 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,480 that we all are angry at you. 777 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,280 The Depp team argued that you were the abuser. 778 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,400 I never had to instigate it, I responded to it. When you're liv— 779 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,640 "I never had to instigate it." 780 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,960 She believes every word she's saying. 781 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,040 Nice spin there. 782 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,040 Then there are other times, there's another tape, 783 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,800 where you're taunting him, and saying, "Oh..." 784 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,040 "... I, a man, am a victim of domestic violence." 785 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,320 Twenty-second clips. 786 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:32,960 So the transcripts of them... 787 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,600 - Yeah. - ... are not representative 788 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:39,360 of two hours, or the three hours those clips are excerpt from. 789 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,280 What? What do you mean, it doesn't represent it? 790 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,200 What— What do you mean by that? Yeah, it does! 791 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,200 'Cause— 'Cause it's in— It's in the recording! 792 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,840 You can't sit there and say, "Well, it doesn't represent the whole—" It does. 793 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,800 Amber Heard wanted to characterize Johnny Depp as a character. 794 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,760 There were many memes from the trial, but now memes from the— 795 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:58,960 Now memes from the interview. 796 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,280 The Depp lawyer said— called your testimony, 797 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,760 "The performance of a lifetime," and said you were acting. 798 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,080 What do you say to that? 799 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,240 Says the lawyer 800 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:14,040 for the man who convinced the world he had scissors for fingers? 801 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,640 You mean to tell me that that fool was lying to us the whole time? 802 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:29,360 His hands were not really made of scissors? 803 00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:35,840 What we really wanna get into right now 804 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,040 is what the jury didn't see, 805 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,600 what wasn't allowed during the course of this trial. 806 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,440 Over 6,000 documents have been unsealed in this case. 807 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,480 This would have been very relevant for the jury to hear. 808 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,120 If you wanted to get hold of those documents, you had to go 809 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,520 to the Virginia courthouse and make a request, 810 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:02,880 so JD fans crowdfunded getting hold of the unsealed documents. 811 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,280 Andrea Burkhart, who is a YouTube commentator 812 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,120 and is a criminal defense attorney, 813 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,280 she crowdsourced the funds in order to buy these documents. 814 00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:16,560 If you've been watching this case for a while, 815 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,320 you know that Amber Heard has a habit 816 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,840 of hiding behind information that can't be verified. 817 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,320 But it looks like that might not be the case. 818 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,520 What spurred this was when they were in court 819 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,840 to sign the judgment and sentence, 820 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,240 Judge Azcarate voiced her intention 821 00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:42,600 to unseal materials that had previously been sealed, 822 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,960 and she said that many of the things were sealed 823 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,800 because we didn't want to have any taint to the jury. 824 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,240 So if Amber Heard was hoping to keep all of this stuff secret, 825 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,640 I think she's gonna find herself out of luck. 826 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,200 Let's go back to the— there was a plane incident 827 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,560 where Depp allegedly kicked Amber Heard on a plane. 828 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,280 I believe it was in 2014. 829 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,400 Did you observe Mr. Depp kick or throw anything 830 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:12,800 at each other on the plane? 831 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,160 No, I don't recall that at all. 832 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,920 There were texts from Johnny Depp's assistant, 833 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,760 Stephen Deuters, to Amber Heard, 834 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,000 quote... 835 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,120 Why was these text messages not introduced? 836 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,880 I mean, this felt very pivotal for Amber Heard's case. 837 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,880 The court ruled on those that they're irrelevant 838 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,920 to the— the case at hand of defamation. 839 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,360 You know, there was so much evidence in this case, 840 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,320 and now we're seeing even more of the evidence, 841 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,040 and— and in the pre-trial hearings, they have to, you know, rule 842 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,680 what is admissible, what isn't. 843 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,560 And, yeah, there's some of these things that are really on the line 844 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,400 of whether they should or shouldn— shouldn't have been admissible. 845 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,640 Depp supporters have been unliking Depp's victory post 846 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:18,880 over the weekend. 847 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,360 The discovery of the unlikes has come after the unsealing 848 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:27,440 of pretrial documents that the judge ruled not relevant to the case. 849 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,920 We're gonna dive into all of these things today 850 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,920 so you can decide for yourself. 851 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,800 "Previously sealed court documents, 852 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,640 they revealed texts from Depp and his assistant 853 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,920 all but confirming Heard's allegation 854 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,160 he'd kicked and beat her in front of his staff on a private plane." 855 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,000 "The veracity of these text messages is critical 856 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,760 and subject to serious question." 857 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,120 So what is the truth? 858 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,680 This question of the truth of the matter I can't answer. 859 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,880 In fact, no one can. 860 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,160 No one knows what happened between these two people. 861 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,000 Sounds like there is evidence 862 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,720 that they were both abusive toward each other, 863 00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:50,120 but it's a lot of "he said, she said," 864 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,480 and it's nearly impossible to find resolution and truth. 865 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,080 The public is a— a second jury. 866 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:03,360 Us making up our own decisions and— really swayed on people's public opinion, 867 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,360 including the jurors', of these two characters. 868 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,440 People who've been accused of wrongdoing, 869 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,400 the goal is to get a form of justice, 870 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,400 a sense of redemption for themselves. 871 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,320 It's about clearing their name and trying to establish 872 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,880 what the truth was of this relationship or this incident 873 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,440 in a public court of law. 874 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,600 He's won already in the court of opinion, 875 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,480 and he needed the court process to clear his name. 876 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:36,560 The thing is about justice is that it's not about the truth, 877 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,440 it's not about right or wrong, 878 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,640 it's about what the judge or jury believes. 879 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,880 We now live in a time where we don't necessarily believe 880 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:47,880 who's right... 881 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,320 we believe who we like the most 882 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:52,960 because of who they are. 883 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,840 The outcome of this trial will have ramification, 884 00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:01,680 if nothing else, how people believe people and their stories.