1 00:00:16,988 --> 00:00:18,928 Previously on The Hack. 2 00:00:19,028 --> 00:00:21,528 Think who edited the paper. Think about where he sits now. 3 00:00:21,628 --> 00:00:23,568 I mean, I know Andy Coulson. 4 00:00:23,668 --> 00:00:26,768 Him sitting next to the Prime Minister, that's wrong in every way. 5 00:00:26,868 --> 00:00:28,928 The police have Mulcaire's notebooks. 6 00:00:29,028 --> 00:00:31,168 If we can get them into the public eye we'll see who hired who, 7 00:00:31,268 --> 00:00:33,288 how high this goes, who's being hacked. 8 00:00:33,388 --> 00:00:35,849 Just be safe with yourself. Just be safe. 9 00:00:35,949 --> 00:00:37,929 It's the Daniel Morgan case. We've had 10 00:00:38,029 --> 00:00:41,049 some witnesses finally come forward. 11 00:00:41,149 --> 00:00:44,329 You cannot be taking phone calls from a protected witness. 12 00:00:44,429 --> 00:00:48,169 From today, you will have no further contact with Gary Eaton, whatsoever. 13 00:00:48,269 --> 00:00:50,809 Max, we've got them on the rack. You settle, the whole thing 14 00:00:50,909 --> 00:00:53,369 - gets covered up again. - On the rack with what? 15 00:00:53,469 --> 00:00:56,169 The Murdochs agreed to pay Clifford more than a million pounds. 16 00:00:56,269 --> 00:00:58,589 Our biggest gun was spiked. 17 00:01:00,463 --> 00:01:03,443 Our liberal conservative government will take 18 00:01:03,543 --> 00:01:07,483 Britain in a historic new direction, a direction of hope and unity, 19 00:01:07,583 --> 00:01:09,924 conviction and common purpose. 20 00:01:10,180 --> 00:01:14,480 I'm delighted to be standing here with the new deputy Prime Minister, 21 00:01:14,580 --> 00:01:19,160 and I would like now to invite him to speak to us on what I think 22 00:01:19,260 --> 00:01:23,160 is a remarkable and very welcome day. 23 00:01:23,260 --> 00:01:27,160 Thank you, David. We've just been through an election campaign. 24 00:01:27,260 --> 00:01:29,440 And now we have a coalition. 25 00:01:29,540 --> 00:01:32,960 Until today, we were rivals, and now we're colleagues. 26 00:01:33,060 --> 00:01:36,760 - Is it unusual? - I know it'll cost you. 27 00:01:36,860 --> 00:01:39,080 All that work given to someone else's byline. 28 00:01:39,180 --> 00:01:41,120 Finding it a little bit hard to get my head around. 29 00:01:41,220 --> 00:01:43,201 Look. 30 00:01:43,301 --> 00:01:45,961 BBC are playing it on repeat. I've watched it 15 times 31 00:01:46,061 --> 00:01:48,161 and it was sickening the first time. 32 00:01:48,261 --> 00:01:51,001 Andy Coulson now sits at the right hand side of God. 33 00:01:51,101 --> 00:01:54,001 There's a direct link between number 10 and Murdoch, 34 00:01:54,101 --> 00:01:56,481 I don't like that whisper chain. We need our... 35 00:01:56,581 --> 00:01:59,321 - Our own coalition. - We need allies. 36 00:01:59,421 --> 00:02:02,001 We have allies. I'm assembling a huge team of lawyers. 37 00:02:02,101 --> 00:02:04,641 - People are working together. - No, we need allies in the press. 38 00:02:04,741 --> 00:02:07,601 You don't think I've tried? Nobody will touch it. 39 00:02:07,701 --> 00:02:10,241 Thank you. 40 00:02:10,341 --> 00:02:14,761 Well, they won't on Fleet Street, but I've always 41 00:02:14,861 --> 00:02:17,482 thought a lot of Glen Campbell. I think Panorama will bite. 42 00:02:17,582 --> 00:02:20,082 No, no, no. The BBC won't risk a battle with Murdoch. 43 00:02:20,182 --> 00:02:22,242 But then there's Dispatches, maybe. 44 00:02:22,342 --> 00:02:24,282 Internationally, Bill Keller. 45 00:02:24,382 --> 00:02:26,922 You can't think the New York Times would want to be involved. 46 00:02:27,022 --> 00:02:29,202 Murdoch's hole on the Wall Street Journal 47 00:02:29,302 --> 00:02:31,482 is galling to Bill, I think he could. 48 00:02:31,582 --> 00:02:34,182 I've got resources, of course, but... 49 00:02:35,902 --> 00:02:37,842 Alan, they won't share back. 50 00:02:37,942 --> 00:02:40,242 TV hacks might, but the New York Times. 51 00:02:40,342 --> 00:02:42,342 This will always be your story, Nick. 52 00:02:43,422 --> 00:02:46,622 No, it's bigger than that. Me. 53 00:02:49,343 --> 00:02:52,283 I can't make friends at school. Why not a pen pal? 54 00:02:52,383 --> 00:02:54,383 I get it. Yeah. 55 00:02:56,223 --> 00:02:58,323 Yeah, I get it. It's a good idea. 56 00:02:58,423 --> 00:03:00,743 It's a necessary idea. 57 00:03:03,663 --> 00:03:05,603 Good. 58 00:03:05,703 --> 00:03:09,243 So Nick Davies and the Guardian are losing the exclusive, 59 00:03:09,343 --> 00:03:11,323 but winning the war. 60 00:03:11,423 --> 00:03:13,743 - Steve. - Yeah. 61 00:03:34,024 --> 00:03:36,084 I'm aware 62 00:03:36,184 --> 00:03:38,164 that it has taken a few years 63 00:03:38,264 --> 00:03:41,684 to get to this point, and many of us are eager 64 00:03:41,784 --> 00:03:44,264 to draw these pre-trial hearings to a close. 65 00:03:45,264 --> 00:03:47,564 But I'm afraid, a new matter has arisen 66 00:03:47,664 --> 00:03:49,764 that requires our attention. 67 00:03:49,864 --> 00:03:51,884 Last night, an application was made 68 00:03:51,984 --> 00:03:56,324 by the counsel for the defendants, as regards a possible irregularity 69 00:03:56,424 --> 00:03:59,805 in the conduct of this investigation, in relation 70 00:03:59,905 --> 00:04:02,465 to the prosecution witness, Mr Gary Eaton. 71 00:04:03,705 --> 00:04:06,205 In order to resolve this, it is my view 72 00:04:06,305 --> 00:04:09,445 that we must spend some time hearing evidence directly, 73 00:04:09,545 --> 00:04:14,245 from DCS David Cook, and the officers in his team, 74 00:04:14,345 --> 00:04:16,945 which will begin on Monday. 75 00:04:22,185 --> 00:04:24,125 These rules are ridiculous. 76 00:04:24,225 --> 00:04:26,485 - They are tight on this. - No conferring me colleagues? 77 00:04:26,585 --> 00:04:28,685 I mean, I work with these officers day in, day out. 78 00:04:28,785 --> 00:04:32,206 They don't want you to prepare. It's known as an ambush defence, 79 00:04:32,306 --> 00:04:34,246 And they want me to tell them everything about Gary Eaton? 80 00:04:34,346 --> 00:04:36,366 While the suspects are sitting right there. 81 00:04:36,466 --> 00:04:40,486 If the judge does decide to lose Gary Eaton's evidence, 82 00:04:40,586 --> 00:04:43,086 it would be a a significant setback. 83 00:04:43,186 --> 00:04:45,786 Oh, losing Gary Eaton would be a fucking disaster. 84 00:04:47,866 --> 00:04:49,966 So we do what the judge tells us to. 85 00:04:50,066 --> 00:04:52,206 All you have to do is answer the questions. 86 00:04:52,306 --> 00:04:55,806 Dave will be fine. He's good in the spotlight. 87 00:04:55,906 --> 00:04:59,606 And while you sit in the spotlight, boy scout behaviour. 88 00:04:59,706 --> 00:05:03,326 Day in, day out, agreed? The defence could put you under surveillance. 89 00:05:03,426 --> 00:05:05,367 They could track your car, your phone, 90 00:05:05,467 --> 00:05:07,667 They'd love nothing more than to catch you out. 91 00:05:10,107 --> 00:05:12,447 These men have been under arrest for over a year. 92 00:05:12,547 --> 00:05:15,127 This is a fucking farce. Nothing to do with truth, 93 00:05:15,227 --> 00:05:17,387 nothing to do with justice. 94 00:05:18,467 --> 00:05:20,827 We do the best we can within the system we've got. 95 00:05:31,307 --> 00:05:34,567 What do you call three Pulitzer Prize winners sitting in a row? 96 00:05:34,667 --> 00:05:37,807 A murder? An ambush? An armada? 97 00:05:37,907 --> 00:05:40,148 Do you really call them, "help"? 98 00:05:41,188 --> 00:05:43,328 This is, er, quite something. 99 00:05:43,428 --> 00:05:46,248 - It's remarkable journalism, Nick. - Thank you. 100 00:05:46,348 --> 00:05:48,328 Any chance they're doing it in America, too? 101 00:05:48,428 --> 00:05:51,168 A few suspected names. 102 00:05:51,268 --> 00:05:53,368 Nothing firm. It's all in there. 103 00:05:53,468 --> 00:05:55,848 You have no one on record from News of the World? 104 00:05:55,948 --> 00:05:57,968 - No. - But plenty off the record. 105 00:05:58,068 --> 00:06:00,008 Am I right? 106 00:06:00,108 --> 00:06:02,088 She's trying to get you to reveal who your Mr Apollo is. 107 00:06:02,188 --> 00:06:06,328 Oh, I see, you think he's a News International insider. Interesting. 108 00:06:06,428 --> 00:06:08,568 Em. But no, not sharing. 109 00:06:08,668 --> 00:06:11,348 And frankly, even if I wanted to, he's disappeared. 110 00:06:12,349 --> 00:06:16,169 Do you have an angle? The... You... Paper... 111 00:06:16,269 --> 00:06:18,809 Well, Bill's instincts were, er, Royal Family, 112 00:06:18,909 --> 00:06:21,049 - Murdochs, press intrusion. - In that order? 113 00:06:21,149 --> 00:06:24,049 We'll find our way. It's important no one can say that 114 00:06:24,149 --> 00:06:27,209 we colluded with you or were baby fed just to stand your story up. 115 00:06:27,309 --> 00:06:29,289 You're not here to stand my story up. 116 00:06:29,389 --> 00:06:31,609 - I wasn't saying that. - We further each other's stories. 117 00:06:31,709 --> 00:06:35,889 Anything new we get, we know you're the keeper of the flame. 118 00:06:35,989 --> 00:06:37,989 We'll bring you in. 119 00:06:39,069 --> 00:06:41,549 I might say likewise, but I've given you all I have. 120 00:07:05,350 --> 00:07:07,350 I don't know when this started either. 121 00:07:23,431 --> 00:07:25,931 Em, you might get a call from the New York Times 122 00:07:26,031 --> 00:07:29,091 - in the next few days. - New York Times, fancy. 123 00:07:29,191 --> 00:07:32,011 They're getting involved. We're giving them what we have. 124 00:07:32,111 --> 00:07:34,411 Two newspapers are better than one. 125 00:07:34,511 --> 00:07:37,931 You know, Nick, when I look at the kids who come around for playdates, 126 00:07:38,031 --> 00:07:41,411 I instinctively know who are good at sharing, 127 00:07:41,511 --> 00:07:44,171 - and who aren't and you... - Alan thinks it's a good idea. 128 00:07:44,271 --> 00:07:46,731 - I think it's a good idea. - Oh, you weren't very good 129 00:07:46,831 --> 00:07:49,091 - at sharing at all, were you? - I'm not done. 130 00:07:49,191 --> 00:07:51,191 They'll do their thing. 131 00:07:52,751 --> 00:07:55,332 It actually makes it easier to pursue. 132 00:07:55,432 --> 00:07:58,132 And I was actually quite good at football as a kid, so... 133 00:07:58,232 --> 00:08:00,212 That's what I would have done at your playdate. 134 00:08:00,312 --> 00:08:02,252 I'd have found a ball and kicked it. I didn't care about toys. 135 00:08:02,352 --> 00:08:04,292 Anyway, I have an idea. 136 00:08:04,392 --> 00:08:07,452 So Harry Evans wrote in his memoir about a plane crash. 137 00:08:07,552 --> 00:08:09,492 I don't know Harry Evans. 138 00:08:09,592 --> 00:08:12,692 Editor of the Sunday Times, from 1967 to '81. Newspaper legend. 139 00:08:12,792 --> 00:08:14,852 Doesn't that mean he worked for Murdoch? 140 00:08:14,952 --> 00:08:16,932 - Oh, they didn't get on. - Murdoch fired him? 141 00:08:17,032 --> 00:08:19,252 Eventually, actually, first he promoted him, gave him editorship. 142 00:08:19,352 --> 00:08:21,612 - So that's not... - And he's the hero in this story? 143 00:08:21,712 --> 00:08:23,812 - I haven't told the story. - But your eyes imply he's the hero. 144 00:08:23,912 --> 00:08:26,852 The DC-10, in Paris, passenger jet. 145 00:08:26,952 --> 00:08:29,533 There was clearly a problem with the manufacture of the plane 146 00:08:29,633 --> 00:08:31,573 - but Harry couldn't print. - Without evidence. 147 00:08:31,673 --> 00:08:34,933 Exactly. So Harry got his reporters to intervene. 148 00:08:35,033 --> 00:08:37,733 Linked the bereaved families with highly effective lawyers 149 00:08:37,833 --> 00:08:40,373 in the US, because US courts were more likely 150 00:08:40,473 --> 00:08:43,733 to order McDonnell Douglas to disclose internal paperwork. 151 00:08:43,833 --> 00:08:46,493 - My plan is to do the same. - Haven't we already tried that 152 00:08:46,593 --> 00:08:49,333 - with Max Clifford? - No. No. Then you 153 00:08:49,433 --> 00:08:52,993 involve me in your case. Very kindly. Now I'm going to recruit for you. 154 00:08:54,073 --> 00:08:56,013 So they bribed Max. 155 00:08:56,113 --> 00:08:59,093 They won't be able to stop an army of people. 156 00:08:59,193 --> 00:09:01,974 If I can get a list of the hacked and encourage them to come forward, 157 00:09:02,074 --> 00:09:04,074 we can flood the courts. 158 00:09:07,434 --> 00:09:09,974 - I can't see you as a footballer. - Fuck off. 159 00:09:10,074 --> 00:09:13,214 Look, Andy Coulson created a culture at the News of the World. 160 00:09:13,314 --> 00:09:15,254 To prove he did so we need to get 161 00:09:15,354 --> 00:09:17,294 as many of his top journalists implicated as possible. 162 00:09:17,394 --> 00:09:19,934 Mulcaire's notes had Clive Goodman's name written 163 00:09:20,034 --> 00:09:21,974 at the top. Court record. 164 00:09:22,074 --> 00:09:24,634 So we can find the other editors who commissioned him. 165 00:09:25,954 --> 00:09:28,394 Come on, it's time to get nuclear, don't you think? 166 00:09:30,434 --> 00:09:32,414 The inevitable dig followed. 167 00:09:32,514 --> 00:09:35,775 I had to identify with the help of my furry friend, 168 00:09:35,875 --> 00:09:39,215 every celebrity, politician, and sports star they'd gone after. 169 00:09:39,315 --> 00:09:43,415 High ranking, the low ranking, the illustrious, the audacious. 170 00:09:43,515 --> 00:09:46,735 And then I had to persuade those people to fight. 171 00:09:46,835 --> 00:09:48,815 Like MP Tessa Jowell. 172 00:09:48,915 --> 00:09:51,375 Yes, I have been spoken to by the police. 173 00:09:51,475 --> 00:09:54,055 All the dirt they had on your ex-husband came from hacking. 174 00:09:54,155 --> 00:09:56,255 And ruined my marriage, I am aware. 175 00:09:56,355 --> 00:09:59,175 I'd like to publish an article about your experiences, 176 00:09:59,275 --> 00:10:01,895 and I'd like you to consider pursuing it further in court. 177 00:10:01,995 --> 00:10:05,335 - I have good lawyer recommendations. - But that would mean stirring it up. 178 00:10:05,435 --> 00:10:08,696 We've struggled enough. Please, leave it alone. 179 00:10:08,796 --> 00:10:11,376 I had proof that Charles Clarke had been hacked. 180 00:10:11,476 --> 00:10:13,536 I told a friend who knew him to tell him. 181 00:10:13,636 --> 00:10:16,056 - My friend said... - He's not willing to engage. 182 00:10:16,156 --> 00:10:19,536 With Charlotte's help, I identified a dozen law firms who specialised 183 00:10:19,636 --> 00:10:22,096 in representing celebrities. I contacted all of them. 184 00:10:22,196 --> 00:10:24,496 I wish I could tell you their names. 185 00:10:24,596 --> 00:10:26,536 - I'm getting nothing. - Nothing? 186 00:10:26,636 --> 00:10:30,896 They're busy. They're worried about reviving an embarrassing story. 187 00:10:30,996 --> 00:10:34,336 They can't afford it. But mostly... 188 00:10:34,436 --> 00:10:36,636 Mostly, they're frightened. 189 00:10:37,916 --> 00:10:39,976 I've heard rumours about Nicole Kidman. 190 00:10:40,076 --> 00:10:42,937 - Hello, Charlotte. - Nice to meet you. 191 00:10:43,037 --> 00:10:46,057 A charming lawyer. How nice. 192 00:10:46,157 --> 00:10:48,637 Nicole's lawyer is John Kelly. 193 00:10:49,637 --> 00:10:51,577 Have you met John Kelly? 194 00:10:51,677 --> 00:10:54,297 No. She wasn't warned by the police. 195 00:10:54,397 --> 00:10:57,377 And no, she won't be meeting with you 196 00:10:57,477 --> 00:10:59,417 or any other journalist. 197 00:10:59,517 --> 00:11:02,977 Mr Kelly, this is worth pursuing. For Nicole, for all your clients. 198 00:11:03,077 --> 00:11:05,017 It's still a no, I'm afraid. 199 00:11:05,117 --> 00:11:08,417 - A hard no. - Her trustees say no. 200 00:11:08,517 --> 00:11:11,097 Mark Thompson came about because two of his clients, 201 00:11:11,197 --> 00:11:13,697 one of whom was Big Brother's Jade Goody, had been hacked. 202 00:11:13,797 --> 00:11:15,737 Jade had died of cancer. 203 00:11:15,837 --> 00:11:18,538 - They're not interested in pursuing. - Perhaps I could talk to them. 204 00:11:18,638 --> 00:11:22,798 Becuase you're more persuasive than me? I get it. You're desperate. 205 00:11:25,198 --> 00:11:29,018 There is another... someone I can't give you her name. 206 00:11:29,118 --> 00:11:32,578 - We called her "AZP". - She's very angry. 207 00:11:32,678 --> 00:11:35,418 They've ruined her life. She's leaning into all this. 208 00:11:35,518 --> 00:11:38,258 - I'd love to... - Yeah, of course you fucking would. 209 00:11:38,358 --> 00:11:41,898 If she's brave enough to talk more, then you'll hear more. Until then... 210 00:11:41,998 --> 00:11:45,678 - They're just all so scared. - They are profoundly scared. 211 00:11:53,799 --> 00:11:57,099 Mr Cook, do you accept that a number of rules 212 00:11:57,199 --> 00:11:59,819 were broken with regard to Gary Eaton? 213 00:11:59,919 --> 00:12:02,099 - I do. - And the issue for the judge 214 00:12:02,199 --> 00:12:06,339 to decide on is the spirit in which these rules were broken. 215 00:12:06,439 --> 00:12:09,819 Were they broken in bad faith, or was it done transparently 216 00:12:09,919 --> 00:12:11,859 and in the interests of justice? 217 00:12:11,959 --> 00:12:15,499 Those are the two sides that we are litigating at the moment, 218 00:12:15,599 --> 00:12:17,939 - you understand that? - Yes, I do. 219 00:12:18,039 --> 00:12:23,900 Let us begin with your initial meeting with Mr Eaton. 220 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,940 It's been suggested that you led the witness during this conversation. 221 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,980 I think it's important for me to say that I never wanted to meet 222 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,260 with Mr Eaton in the first place. 223 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,040 He insisted he would only speak with me, so I went along. 224 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,100 And the job is to find out if he was valid. 225 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,240 And to do that, you have to ask some probing questions. 226 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,240 "Give me the name of the brothers." 227 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,180 That's hardly a probing question, is it, Mr Cook? 228 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,740 He wasn't interested in any brothers at all, was he? 229 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,781 You gave him the brothers. 230 00:12:57,881 --> 00:13:01,101 I gave him the brothers. I did not give him the name of the brothers. 231 00:13:01,201 --> 00:13:05,541 You were aware at that first meeting of how important it was to 232 00:13:05,641 --> 00:13:07,581 preserve the integrity of the process? 233 00:13:07,681 --> 00:13:10,021 And that's what I thought we were doing, it was all recorded. 234 00:13:10,121 --> 00:13:12,981 And we all have the transcripts here before us. 235 00:13:13,081 --> 00:13:15,081 But that wasn't my question. 236 00:13:16,601 --> 00:13:18,601 It was a simple question. 237 00:13:20,401 --> 00:13:22,341 Let's try another. 238 00:13:22,441 --> 00:13:26,301 Do you accept that by having direct phone conversations with a witness, 239 00:13:26,401 --> 00:13:28,841 you were breaching the sterile corridor system? 240 00:13:29,841 --> 00:13:33,382 Yes, I do. But I would say that this was a particularly 241 00:13:33,482 --> 00:13:36,462 - difficult set of circumstances. - Wasn't difficult at all. 242 00:13:36,562 --> 00:13:38,982 All you had to do was say to this man, "I'm sorry, 243 00:13:39,082 --> 00:13:41,942 "the rules are, I'm not allowed to have direct contact with you. 244 00:13:42,042 --> 00:13:44,342 "You have your own witness protection handler. 245 00:13:44,442 --> 00:13:46,462 "They can sort out any problems you may have, 246 00:13:46,562 --> 00:13:48,542 "but from now on, you must not ring me, 247 00:13:48,642 --> 00:13:50,942 "and if you do, my phone will bar you." 248 00:13:51,042 --> 00:13:53,022 And that is what I did on several occasions. 249 00:13:53,122 --> 00:13:55,922 Did you ever bar Gary Eaton from calling your phone? 250 00:13:59,602 --> 00:14:01,842 It's not always possible on every type of phone. 251 00:14:03,562 --> 00:14:08,843 Are you saying that it's not possible from a Metropolitan Police phone? 252 00:14:11,523 --> 00:14:13,523 It's... It's a terribly, simple question. 253 00:14:15,723 --> 00:14:18,403 He changed his number. I didn't know his number. 254 00:14:21,523 --> 00:14:24,343 I'd like to turn now to the issue of your note taking. 255 00:14:24,443 --> 00:14:27,503 My Lord, between August the 23rd... 256 00:14:27,603 --> 00:14:30,783 and the 16th of September 2006, 257 00:14:30,883 --> 00:14:34,463 not one of Mr Cook's numerous telephone calls to Eaton 258 00:14:34,563 --> 00:14:36,983 appears on the schedule. 259 00:14:37,083 --> 00:14:39,224 Mr Cook, do you mind telling us 260 00:14:39,324 --> 00:14:42,504 how it is that between the 23rd of August and the 16th September, 261 00:14:42,604 --> 00:14:46,484 you managed to make so many calls without recording any of them? 262 00:14:47,524 --> 00:14:50,584 From memory, the vast majority, if not all, 263 00:14:50,684 --> 00:14:53,104 were to do with Mr Eaton's welfare, 264 00:14:53,204 --> 00:14:55,224 his domestic, stuff like that, nuisance stuff. 265 00:14:55,324 --> 00:14:57,344 But you accept, do you not, 266 00:14:57,444 --> 00:15:00,904 that the court has no way of knowing what was said during these calls? 267 00:15:01,004 --> 00:15:04,424 I accept that. And my Lord, do you mind if I sit down? 268 00:15:04,524 --> 00:15:08,224 - I suffer from vertigo. - Please. 269 00:15:08,324 --> 00:15:12,145 Let us look at tab number nine. 270 00:15:12,245 --> 00:15:15,345 We can see top line... 271 00:15:15,445 --> 00:15:17,505 that the debrief begins on the 1st of August. 272 00:15:17,605 --> 00:15:19,705 We can see that it's followed the next day 273 00:15:19,805 --> 00:15:22,345 by a call which is 15 minutes long. 274 00:15:22,445 --> 00:15:24,505 That one is logged. 275 00:15:24,605 --> 00:15:27,025 Then, on the 28th of August, 276 00:15:27,125 --> 00:15:29,385 there's a nine-minute call, which is not logged. 277 00:15:29,485 --> 00:15:33,345 Then, on the 1st of September, Eaton suddenly changes his story. 278 00:15:33,445 --> 00:15:35,745 He says for the first time that he was 279 00:15:35,845 --> 00:15:39,265 - at the scene of the murder. - Well, what are you suggesting? 280 00:15:39,365 --> 00:15:43,625 I'm suggesting that that may not be a coincidence, Mr Cook. 281 00:15:43,725 --> 00:15:45,825 I suppose you're going to deny it 282 00:15:45,925 --> 00:15:47,986 and say that it is just a coincidence. You're going 283 00:15:48,086 --> 00:15:50,826 to deny that during these, unlogged calls, 284 00:15:50,926 --> 00:15:54,906 - you were feeding Mr Eaton his story? - And why would I do that? 285 00:15:55,006 --> 00:15:57,586 This case has been causing the Metropolitan Police 286 00:15:57,686 --> 00:16:00,266 untold embarrassment for over two decades. 287 00:16:00,366 --> 00:16:02,466 You were desperate to nail someone. 288 00:16:02,566 --> 00:16:04,546 Of course, if you think you have somebody 289 00:16:04,646 --> 00:16:07,666 who may be an eyewitness, you embrace them with both arms. 290 00:16:07,766 --> 00:16:10,866 But you allowed this dishonest, mentally ill man 291 00:16:10,966 --> 00:16:12,946 to run riot over your investigation. 292 00:16:13,046 --> 00:16:15,146 Not only that, but you manipulated him 293 00:16:15,246 --> 00:16:17,186 because he was easily manipulable. 294 00:16:17,286 --> 00:16:21,387 And because he was your one way of bringing this case back to life 295 00:16:21,487 --> 00:16:24,867 and ending your career with a real coup. 296 00:16:24,967 --> 00:16:28,247 Isn't that what has gone on here, Mr Cook? 297 00:16:33,487 --> 00:16:35,607 You could not be further from the truth, sir. 298 00:17:04,448 --> 00:17:06,788 If you haven't changed your ways. 299 00:17:06,888 --> 00:17:09,308 No chance. Thanks. 300 00:17:10,140 --> 00:17:11,548 Can you still win? 301 00:17:11,648 --> 00:17:14,548 Now that we've lost Gary Eaton, the entire case... 302 00:17:14,654 --> 00:17:17,394 rests on two witnesses. Lindsey Wright, 303 00:17:17,488 --> 00:17:20,848 Jimmy Cook's ex-girlfriend, who is basically a fucking nightmare, 304 00:17:21,780 --> 00:17:27,140 and James Ward, our original supergrass, who's erratic at best. 305 00:17:28,941 --> 00:17:31,001 Nine days they kept me on that stand. 306 00:17:32,021 --> 00:17:34,980 On day one, I really thought I could win. 307 00:17:35,620 --> 00:17:38,260 - Hoped. - Yeah, I remember hope. 308 00:17:40,101 --> 00:17:42,260 I'm sorry they did that to you. 309 00:17:42,980 --> 00:17:45,300 - You didn't deserve it. - Ah, maybe I did. 310 00:17:48,634 --> 00:17:52,794 So, what about you? Can you, erm, win? 311 00:17:54,300 --> 00:17:56,840 Journalism isn't about winning or losing. 312 00:17:56,940 --> 00:18:00,100 It's about the gradual erosion of self-worth. 313 00:18:01,941 --> 00:18:05,161 Alan's given the story to Panorama and the New York Times, 314 00:18:05,261 --> 00:18:07,401 and he's probably right because I can't get anyone 315 00:18:07,501 --> 00:18:09,801 to go to court, which means we can't... 316 00:18:09,914 --> 00:18:14,734 I... I thought I had a way to get to Mulcaire's notes, 317 00:18:14,821 --> 00:18:17,001 I thought I was finally getting somewhere, 318 00:18:17,101 --> 00:18:19,181 but like everything I tried. 319 00:18:21,141 --> 00:18:23,081 What about Jonathan Rees? 320 00:18:23,181 --> 00:18:25,681 Surely he's just as bad as Mulcaire. 321 00:18:25,781 --> 00:18:27,721 He's on trial, if you haven't noticed. 322 00:18:27,821 --> 00:18:30,521 We raided his house a few years ago. 323 00:18:30,621 --> 00:18:32,721 We found invoices on his desk. 324 00:18:32,821 --> 00:18:35,562 Rees to Alex Marunchak and the News of the World. 325 00:18:35,662 --> 00:18:39,362 Rees went to prison for conspiring to pervert the course of justice, 326 00:18:39,462 --> 00:18:43,762 came out and went right back into the employ of News of the World, 327 00:18:43,862 --> 00:18:45,862 while Andy Coulson was the editor. 328 00:18:46,862 --> 00:18:49,782 Under Coulson, News of the World employed a convicted criminal? 329 00:18:52,342 --> 00:18:55,162 Now, this fell into your lap, okay? 330 00:18:55,262 --> 00:18:57,322 You can't quote me. 331 00:18:57,422 --> 00:18:59,762 You can't name Rees. 332 00:18:59,862 --> 00:19:01,982 But you can use this to nail them. 333 00:19:03,342 --> 00:19:05,342 This could get you in serious trouble. 334 00:19:07,062 --> 00:19:09,063 I'm already in serious trouble. 335 00:19:18,223 --> 00:19:21,123 So you're calling Jonathan Rees, "Mr A"? 336 00:19:21,223 --> 00:19:23,203 I think it's my best pseudonym yet. 337 00:19:23,303 --> 00:19:25,603 I can't name him till after the Morgan trial. 338 00:19:25,703 --> 00:19:28,843 It's very tenuous, legally, even to hide him under a pseudonym. 339 00:19:28,943 --> 00:19:30,923 His lawyers can claim contempt of court. 340 00:19:31,023 --> 00:19:33,363 Coulson being in government is a contempt. 341 00:19:33,463 --> 00:19:36,363 - It's a good story. Does it stand up? - My source is solid. 342 00:19:36,463 --> 00:19:38,403 Jonathan Rees was imprisoned 343 00:19:38,503 --> 00:19:41,643 for conspiring to pervert the course of justice. 344 00:19:41,743 --> 00:19:43,964 And the News of the World rehired him. 345 00:19:44,064 --> 00:19:46,884 After he was released from prison while Coulson was editor. 346 00:19:46,984 --> 00:19:49,684 - Feels a good one. - We'll need to give Coulson 347 00:19:49,784 --> 00:19:51,724 - right of reply. - Ugh! 348 00:19:51,824 --> 00:19:54,404 This is the most archaic practice, giving people quotes, 349 00:19:54,504 --> 00:19:57,404 in articles against them. It's just free 350 00:19:57,504 --> 00:19:59,804 - advertising space for their lies. - I think it's necessary. 351 00:19:59,904 --> 00:20:03,044 If we publish his right of reply, we'll be misleading our readers. 352 00:20:03,144 --> 00:20:05,924 Whatever the fight, I think it's better to stick to established 353 00:20:06,024 --> 00:20:08,204 - journalist practice, don't you? - What do you know about journalism? 354 00:20:08,304 --> 00:20:10,404 - You're a lawyer. - Nick. Could you maybe talk to her 355 00:20:10,504 --> 00:20:13,044 - with a bit more respect? - Oh, fuck off, with respect. 356 00:20:13,144 --> 00:20:16,005 - Nick. - Sorry. Sorry, Rufus. Sorry, Gill. 357 00:20:16,105 --> 00:20:18,045 I know how vital you are to all this. 358 00:20:18,145 --> 00:20:20,325 Just... busy time, busy head. 359 00:20:20,425 --> 00:20:23,965 I'll alert some people. 360 00:20:24,065 --> 00:20:27,245 - Go backstairs. - I know this will spread. 361 00:20:27,345 --> 00:20:29,445 The other newspapers, they can't ignore this. 362 00:20:29,545 --> 00:20:32,405 - It has to. - Gill? 363 00:20:32,505 --> 00:20:36,245 If he gets the quote from Coulson, I think we can argue public interest. 364 00:20:36,345 --> 00:20:39,505 - I agree. - Thank you. This is good. 365 00:20:43,185 --> 00:20:46,765 Whoever your source is, this is good. 366 00:21:05,306 --> 00:21:07,786 Would it surprise you to know it didn't spread? 367 00:21:09,306 --> 00:21:13,266 All the other newspapers ignored the Mr A story. 368 00:21:17,626 --> 00:21:19,626 You'll get them next time. 369 00:21:25,467 --> 00:21:27,467 The trouble with next time... 370 00:21:30,067 --> 00:21:33,207 - The trouble with... - You'll get them next time. 371 00:21:33,307 --> 00:21:36,647 - I don't have a next time. - You stupid child. 372 00:21:36,747 --> 00:21:40,107 Nicholas! Nicholas, don't be dramatic, Nicholas. 373 00:21:41,347 --> 00:21:43,547 Let's get a washcloth for that blood, shall we? 374 00:21:44,587 --> 00:21:46,567 I don't have a next time. 375 00:21:54,587 --> 00:21:56,567 Er, Nick Davies. 376 00:21:56,667 --> 00:21:59,488 Nick. It's Jo Becker, New York Times. 377 00:21:59,588 --> 00:22:01,768 Oh, Yeah... I... 378 00:22:01,868 --> 00:22:04,928 - Is now not a good time? - No, it's fine. 379 00:22:05,028 --> 00:22:07,888 - How can I help? - We're going to publish. 380 00:22:07,988 --> 00:22:11,768 - Great. What? - Sean Hoare is going on the record. 381 00:22:11,868 --> 00:22:14,328 - He's a genuine insider. - Oh, more than that, 382 00:22:14,428 --> 00:22:17,808 he's Coulson's friend. They worked the celebrity Bizarre column 383 00:22:17,908 --> 00:22:20,328 that Coulson made his name on. What did he say? 384 00:22:20,428 --> 00:22:23,088 Well, he talked about Coulson a lot. 385 00:22:23,188 --> 00:22:25,608 I had a good relationship with him as it goes. 386 00:22:25,708 --> 00:22:27,648 Yeah, I could do the fuck I wanted 387 00:22:27,748 --> 00:22:29,948 as long as I came in with a good story. 388 00:22:31,949 --> 00:22:34,729 The brief was... 389 00:22:34,829 --> 00:22:37,769 "I don't give a fuck." 390 00:22:37,869 --> 00:22:41,089 The News of the World meetings sound more fun than Guardian ones. 391 00:22:41,189 --> 00:22:44,209 You're not wrong. But I asked him... 392 00:22:44,309 --> 00:22:46,849 Did he know what's going on? Coulson? 393 00:22:46,949 --> 00:22:49,689 The New York Times, over here on this, are they? 394 00:22:49,789 --> 00:22:53,089 - Yes. - Oh... Why? 395 00:22:53,189 --> 00:22:56,249 We want to investigate whether an ethical line has been crossed. 396 00:22:56,349 --> 00:22:58,329 Fuck me, you sound like the Guardian. 397 00:22:58,429 --> 00:23:00,729 You don't think the Guardian are valid? 398 00:23:00,829 --> 00:23:03,129 I think the Guardian are being beautiful beings, 399 00:23:03,229 --> 00:23:06,190 gazing down from their mighty high horses, the pious fucks. 400 00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:09,630 You know? But the thing about you, you see, is that you... 401 00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:14,890 You're foreign, so I like you. 402 00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:22,610 I, personally... 403 00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:25,050 played voicemail recordings to the bastard, 404 00:23:25,150 --> 00:23:27,730 when we worked together at the Sun and the Screws. 405 00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:30,790 You played recordings to Coulson? 406 00:23:31,950 --> 00:23:35,350 Sean, is that on the record? 407 00:23:49,431 --> 00:23:52,131 - I want a New York Mets top. - I'm sorry? 408 00:23:52,391 --> 00:23:55,991 I want a New York Mets top, and then it's on the record. 409 00:23:57,311 --> 00:24:01,011 - Okay. - Yeah? 410 00:24:01,284 --> 00:24:04,244 - Sure. - Great. 411 00:24:06,031 --> 00:24:08,531 So what do you say we go completely crazy 412 00:24:08,631 --> 00:24:12,512 - and have another orange juice? - Thank you. 413 00:24:23,232 --> 00:24:25,172 This is very good. 414 00:24:25,272 --> 00:24:28,112 I don't think they made clear the link with Coulson. 415 00:24:28,158 --> 00:24:29,692 It's good journalism, but it's... 416 00:24:29,792 --> 00:24:33,812 I love an intimate party, Nick, but it is nice, don't you think, 417 00:24:33,912 --> 00:24:36,572 to have at least some other people who want to be there. 418 00:24:36,672 --> 00:24:38,652 This is the New York Times. 419 00:24:38,752 --> 00:24:41,172 It's going to be a lot harder to fight us both. 420 00:24:41,272 --> 00:24:43,432 This matters. 421 00:24:45,192 --> 00:24:47,373 Yeah. 422 00:24:47,473 --> 00:24:50,053 It was an extremely good piece. It... 423 00:24:50,153 --> 00:24:52,093 The way it... 424 00:24:52,193 --> 00:24:54,533 It was extremely good. And what happened next, 425 00:24:54,633 --> 00:24:57,653 Alan was right, it made everybody braver. 426 00:24:57,753 --> 00:24:59,693 Celebrities began to look up. 427 00:24:59,793 --> 00:25:02,333 For instance, Charlotte Harris began to get somewhere with a client. 428 00:25:02,433 --> 00:25:05,773 - Football agent, Sky Andrew. - They offered him £200,000 429 00:25:05,873 --> 00:25:08,493 a year and £1.2 million in free advertising 430 00:25:08,593 --> 00:25:10,773 - for a charity if he'd drop his case. - And? 431 00:25:10,873 --> 00:25:13,733 - He said no. - People were willing to fight. 432 00:25:13,833 --> 00:25:15,773 Most unusual people. 433 00:25:15,873 --> 00:25:19,453 - Hi, Nick Davies. - Max Mosley, I'm a fan of your work. 434 00:25:19,553 --> 00:25:22,934 And then, Max Mosley did something extraordinary. 435 00:25:23,034 --> 00:25:25,814 To be clear, we didn't meet at the Guardian, but this setting will do. 436 00:25:25,914 --> 00:25:28,214 I'd like to back, financially, 437 00:25:28,314 --> 00:25:31,454 anyone wishing to bring a case against the News of the World, 438 00:25:31,554 --> 00:25:34,294 indemnify them against costs and damages. 439 00:25:34,394 --> 00:25:36,474 Max, that could be millions. 440 00:25:37,674 --> 00:25:39,614 I'm guessing you saw it. 441 00:25:39,714 --> 00:25:43,334 Nazi sex orgy, photos of me. 442 00:25:43,434 --> 00:25:45,534 It was not Nazi. 443 00:25:45,634 --> 00:25:47,834 It was consenting, but they didn't care. 444 00:25:49,474 --> 00:25:51,534 I sued, I got a small reward. 445 00:25:51,634 --> 00:25:53,574 I survived. 446 00:25:53,674 --> 00:25:56,715 My son didn't. 447 00:25:58,475 --> 00:26:01,715 A heroin overdose, one year after the story was published. 448 00:26:03,475 --> 00:26:05,775 I'm sorry. 449 00:26:05,875 --> 00:26:07,935 They can attack us. 450 00:26:08,035 --> 00:26:10,155 But when our children are damaged... 451 00:26:11,795 --> 00:26:15,535 But are you sure that this is what you want to spend your fortune on? 452 00:26:15,635 --> 00:26:19,855 You underestimate my fortune, Mr Davies. 453 00:26:19,955 --> 00:26:22,195 And my anger. 454 00:26:23,555 --> 00:26:26,735 The world started to unfurl before us, 455 00:26:26,835 --> 00:26:28,896 the strategy started to work. 456 00:26:28,996 --> 00:26:31,336 Allies were... 457 00:26:31,436 --> 00:26:35,336 Well, not exactly everywhere but gathering. And then... 458 00:26:35,436 --> 00:26:38,416 The game changed, Mark Thompson got in touch. 459 00:26:38,516 --> 00:26:40,576 His client, AZP, you remember AZP? 460 00:26:40,676 --> 00:26:43,496 Well, apparently she loved the New York Times piece 461 00:26:43,596 --> 00:26:45,816 and the Mr A story. And she wanted to meet. 462 00:26:45,916 --> 00:26:48,936 Oh, and, AZP. She is... 463 00:26:49,036 --> 00:26:51,416 Sienna Miller, meet Nick Davies. 464 00:26:51,516 --> 00:26:56,256 - Pleasure to meet you. - Yes. Actor, tabloid magnate. 465 00:26:56,356 --> 00:26:59,816 - Our ace card. - He knows it's coming. 466 00:26:59,916 --> 00:27:03,397 Everyone's been whispering to her to stop. All of Hollywood. 467 00:27:04,557 --> 00:27:06,777 Some roles are being withdrawn. 468 00:27:06,877 --> 00:27:09,757 Others are being promised if she just lets it go. 469 00:27:10,757 --> 00:27:14,337 - But you've decided to keep fighting. - They've also said, 470 00:27:14,437 --> 00:27:17,777 they've told me that there is more muck on me they'd use. 471 00:27:17,877 --> 00:27:19,897 Which is, I mean, 472 00:27:19,997 --> 00:27:23,137 probably true, but I mean, how can they print anything worse? 473 00:27:23,237 --> 00:27:25,237 All the papers are after her. 474 00:27:26,437 --> 00:27:29,397 Can I ask... Sienna, can I ask what happened? 475 00:27:31,637 --> 00:27:34,537 I... I can't go into the... The details. 476 00:27:34,637 --> 00:27:36,938 And I really don't want to pry, but what... 477 00:27:37,038 --> 00:27:39,418 What were they digging for? 478 00:27:39,518 --> 00:27:41,518 Erm... 479 00:27:44,678 --> 00:27:49,578 Seemingly, erm, what, anything about me is, er, interesting. 480 00:27:49,678 --> 00:27:55,038 The restaurants I go to, what I wear, people I meet. 481 00:27:56,438 --> 00:28:03,158 But it seems their attention was particularly grabbed by, I... 482 00:28:05,318 --> 00:28:07,698 I got, er... 483 00:28:07,798 --> 00:28:11,919 I got pregnant and erm... I had a decision. 484 00:28:12,999 --> 00:28:15,099 To make. You understand? 485 00:28:15,199 --> 00:28:17,519 - Mmm. - And... 486 00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:22,119 Well, at that time, when you're... When you're dealing with that, 487 00:28:23,159 --> 00:28:26,899 you need people that you can trust, and I didn't, I didn't trust anyone. 488 00:28:26,999 --> 00:28:29,939 I thought that they were all selling stories about me 489 00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:32,399 because they knew everything. 490 00:28:33,999 --> 00:28:36,939 And I couldn't work out why. I couldn't work out why 491 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:40,459 anything I told my friends or family 492 00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:44,700 was being leaked. I thought, I mean, I... 493 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,160 I started to, erm... 494 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,860 Yeah. Mmm. 495 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,960 I, er... 496 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,860 The number of people that I trusted grew smaller and smaller 497 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:03,260 until there was almost no one at all. 498 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,820 I didn't know which way was up. Not anymore. I drank too much, 499 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,460 did all the wrong things, damaged my career, damaged myself. 500 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,500 And they feasted on it. 501 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,580 Was this Mulcaire? 502 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,661 We don't know. We don't know who was doing what. 503 00:29:18,761 --> 00:29:20,701 All we know is the results of it. 504 00:29:20,801 --> 00:29:23,561 The thing that I was most, erm... 505 00:29:25,721 --> 00:29:27,721 sorry about was that I, erm... 506 00:29:30,321 --> 00:29:32,321 I damaged my family. 507 00:29:34,521 --> 00:29:36,521 Once it was all, erm... 508 00:29:43,001 --> 00:29:45,161 I only, basically, told my mum. 509 00:29:49,441 --> 00:29:51,882 And they still found out. 510 00:29:53,242 --> 00:29:55,362 And they published, and I thought it was her. 511 00:29:57,602 --> 00:30:00,562 And the things I said to her, you know. 512 00:30:03,162 --> 00:30:05,762 Must have been horrible. 513 00:30:06,882 --> 00:30:09,542 But I'm a celebrity. 514 00:30:09,642 --> 00:30:11,622 "I chose all this. It's not their fault. 515 00:30:11,722 --> 00:30:13,802 "It's in the public interest." Hmm? 516 00:30:15,482 --> 00:30:18,042 - We're taking this all the way. - Good. 517 00:30:19,602 --> 00:30:22,162 - Mmm-hmm. - Thank you. 518 00:30:25,563 --> 00:30:27,503 We're gonna have to disclose this. 519 00:30:27,603 --> 00:30:29,543 I'm afraid there's no choice. 520 00:30:29,643 --> 00:30:31,703 But I ain't done nothing. 521 00:30:31,803 --> 00:30:34,223 Lindsey, your entire search history's here. 522 00:30:34,323 --> 00:30:37,223 We can see what you searched and when you searched it. 523 00:30:37,323 --> 00:30:41,063 But... I'm allowed to be curious, ain't I? 524 00:30:41,163 --> 00:30:43,163 - Not against the law to be curious. - Look. 525 00:30:44,283 --> 00:30:49,003 You're accusing Jimmy Cook of over 30 separate murders. 526 00:30:50,603 --> 00:30:53,383 And each time you change a statement and say you remember a new murder, 527 00:30:53,483 --> 00:30:55,703 it comes off the back of an Internet search 528 00:30:55,803 --> 00:30:58,104 on how to commit that particular type of murder. 529 00:30:58,204 --> 00:31:00,704 Disclosing this means that we can no longer 530 00:31:00,804 --> 00:31:03,164 put you forward as a witness of truth. 531 00:31:04,844 --> 00:31:08,024 And I'm afraid, Lindsey... I'm afraid we lost 532 00:31:08,124 --> 00:31:11,124 the only other witness who had evidence on Jimmy. 533 00:31:12,124 --> 00:31:14,124 So, your statement, 534 00:31:15,204 --> 00:31:17,144 that was all the prosecution had to go on. 535 00:31:17,244 --> 00:31:20,104 James Frederick William Cook. 536 00:31:20,204 --> 00:31:22,204 - No. - Stand, please. 537 00:31:24,284 --> 00:31:29,144 I direct a verdict of not guilty in respect of count one, 538 00:31:29,244 --> 00:31:31,324 and you are now free to go. 539 00:31:35,645 --> 00:31:39,105 No, no, no, no, no, no. What if he... 540 00:31:39,205 --> 00:31:42,625 Oh, shit! I'm now number one target. You know that? 541 00:31:42,725 --> 00:31:44,725 How could you let this happen? 542 00:31:46,365 --> 00:31:48,365 How could you let this happen? 543 00:32:01,405 --> 00:32:04,645 - You take sugar? - Er, just half. 544 00:32:05,766 --> 00:32:08,566 And a splash of milk. Thanks. 545 00:32:12,566 --> 00:32:16,286 - Erm, how long you been here then? - Moved in a while ago. 546 00:32:17,326 --> 00:32:21,226 I know, I just haven't the time to... 547 00:32:21,326 --> 00:32:24,646 - There's a sofa coming. - Thanks. 548 00:32:25,846 --> 00:32:28,606 Yeah. I was actually pretty shocked when I heard. 549 00:32:29,766 --> 00:32:32,286 You and Jacqui always seemed... solid. 550 00:32:33,966 --> 00:32:35,966 Ah... 551 00:32:37,006 --> 00:32:38,947 Heard you and Vicky got married, that's great. 552 00:32:39,047 --> 00:32:41,947 We invited you to the wedding, but you never RSVP'd. 553 00:32:42,047 --> 00:32:44,047 Did you? 554 00:32:45,487 --> 00:32:47,727 I'm so... I'm so sorry. It's just that... 555 00:32:49,127 --> 00:32:52,267 I've been... I've been busy, frantic. Work, life. 556 00:32:52,367 --> 00:32:54,307 I know. 557 00:32:54,407 --> 00:32:56,507 It's what you get for having friends who are coppers. 558 00:32:56,607 --> 00:32:58,787 They disappear on you for years on end. 559 00:32:58,887 --> 00:33:00,887 So we're still pals? 560 00:33:04,847 --> 00:33:07,947 But that's not why you're here. You want something. 561 00:33:08,047 --> 00:33:10,267 Alan Rusbridger and the Guardian have been in touch with us 562 00:33:10,367 --> 00:33:12,668 at Panorama. It's the hacking stuff. 563 00:33:12,768 --> 00:33:14,828 But there's also this story on Jonathan Rees 564 00:33:14,928 --> 00:33:18,468 that they've been pushing. I know you've been on Daniel Morgan, so... 565 00:33:18,568 --> 00:33:20,608 Rees is your bag, right? 566 00:33:23,168 --> 00:33:25,748 Oh, I'm sorry. We can talk about other things. 567 00:33:25,848 --> 00:33:28,428 I'll take my BBC hat off. 568 00:33:28,528 --> 00:33:30,528 Genuinely, wanted to see you. 569 00:33:33,128 --> 00:33:35,448 How are you, you know, 570 00:33:37,128 --> 00:33:39,068 coping? 571 00:33:39,168 --> 00:33:42,828 Well, it's strange. 572 00:33:42,928 --> 00:33:46,288 House without kids, pretty quiet. 573 00:33:49,409 --> 00:33:52,289 Think I need to get better at filling in the time. 574 00:33:56,729 --> 00:33:58,669 We should be aiming for 575 00:33:58,769 --> 00:34:01,629 - a coalition of lawyers. - Coalition? Are we in government now? 576 00:34:01,729 --> 00:34:03,709 I have other friendly lawyers with very high profile clients. 577 00:34:03,809 --> 00:34:06,069 - I do actually know who you're... - With the Sky Andrew case 578 00:34:06,169 --> 00:34:08,229 still progressing under your watch, he's still not accepting their terms. 579 00:34:08,329 --> 00:34:10,269 - No. - Max Mosley has promised 580 00:34:10,369 --> 00:34:12,469 to financially back any client who comes forward. 581 00:34:12,569 --> 00:34:14,509 Surely we can encourage them all to come forward. 582 00:34:14,609 --> 00:34:16,609 Nick, breathe. Okay? 583 00:34:17,609 --> 00:34:21,390 You are constantly swaying between utter despair, 584 00:34:21,490 --> 00:34:23,710 and this. It's exhausting. 585 00:34:23,810 --> 00:34:25,790 The law takes time. 586 00:34:25,890 --> 00:34:28,790 We are building something. Let it fucking build. 587 00:34:28,890 --> 00:34:30,990 Stop worrying about the New York Times getting there before you. 588 00:34:31,090 --> 00:34:33,710 - This is your case. - Not worried about them. 589 00:34:33,810 --> 00:34:35,750 I don't have Sienna Miller as a client. 590 00:34:35,850 --> 00:34:37,830 You don't have Sean Hoare in your pocket. 591 00:34:37,930 --> 00:34:41,250 But we are all working together. Stop doing that thing with your hands. 592 00:34:42,610 --> 00:34:45,270 I have another one for you, a former politician. 593 00:34:45,370 --> 00:34:48,470 Apparently, he's had sight of Mulcaire's notebook. 594 00:34:48,570 --> 00:34:51,010 Now, I've been reluctant to share him because... 595 00:34:52,050 --> 00:34:55,931 Well, I think he's tricky. But you want everyone, so. 596 00:34:57,331 --> 00:34:59,991 What I'm interested in is in Mulcaire's notebooks. 597 00:35:00,091 --> 00:35:02,671 I have no interest in what it shows but there'll be a name 598 00:35:02,771 --> 00:35:06,471 at the top corner of the notes, someone at News of the World. 599 00:35:06,571 --> 00:35:08,791 Have you read 600 00:35:08,891 --> 00:35:11,511 what the Guardian has written about me, about this case. 601 00:35:11,611 --> 00:35:15,231 Tommy Sheridan, a defamation case which became a perjury case. 602 00:35:15,331 --> 00:35:18,791 Process of disclosure on which allowed him access to Mulcaire 603 00:35:18,891 --> 00:35:20,891 and to his paperwork. 604 00:35:21,891 --> 00:35:24,791 And he's right. The Guardian haven't been kind about him. 605 00:35:24,891 --> 00:35:27,712 What I'm looking to do is to build a case against 606 00:35:27,812 --> 00:35:29,912 Andy Coulson and the culture at the News of the World, 607 00:35:30,012 --> 00:35:32,712 - that the hacking was endemic. - Yes, there's a name. 608 00:35:32,812 --> 00:35:36,232 No, you can't see it. And you certainly can't print it. 609 00:35:36,332 --> 00:35:38,372 I don't trust journalists, Nick. 610 00:35:39,452 --> 00:35:42,472 - Not anymore. - Okay, the name is important because 611 00:35:42,572 --> 00:35:45,632 it undermines the one rogue reporter argument, 612 00:35:45,732 --> 00:35:48,232 which Coulson keeps hiding behind. The more 613 00:35:48,332 --> 00:35:50,592 editors and senior journalists we can implicate, 614 00:35:50,692 --> 00:35:52,692 the more we show them lying. 615 00:35:59,812 --> 00:36:03,973 - Greg Miskiw. - Greg Miskiw. Are you sure? 616 00:36:05,293 --> 00:36:07,473 I didn't tell you and you're not printing. 617 00:36:07,573 --> 00:36:10,513 Greg Miskiw was news editor and later assistant editor. 618 00:36:10,613 --> 00:36:13,153 He's retired now, but he reported directly to Coulson. 619 00:36:13,253 --> 00:36:15,833 - I know who Greg Miskiw is, Nick. - Do you know how significant this is? 620 00:36:15,933 --> 00:36:18,933 - This could blow the lid off. - This has to be off the record. 621 00:36:26,493 --> 00:36:29,273 Do I understand that you're representing yourself in court? 622 00:36:29,373 --> 00:36:31,313 - Yes. - What if I was to help you? 623 00:36:31,413 --> 00:36:33,753 Go on. 624 00:36:33,853 --> 00:36:36,914 There's very little I know a lot about, but this issue is one of them. 625 00:36:37,014 --> 00:36:40,394 I can feed you questions, help with your research, all for nothing. 626 00:36:40,494 --> 00:36:42,434 - For the name in the notebook? - That name is dynamite. 627 00:36:42,534 --> 00:36:44,514 Greg Miskiw is dynamite. 628 00:36:44,614 --> 00:36:47,274 And you can print it because it's been stated in court. 629 00:36:47,374 --> 00:36:49,614 And I have an idea who you should call as a witness. 630 00:36:50,894 --> 00:36:52,834 Go on. 631 00:36:52,934 --> 00:36:55,174 Andy Coulson. 632 00:36:56,534 --> 00:36:58,534 You're a traitor. 633 00:36:59,574 --> 00:37:02,154 Start by asking him about Greg Miskiw. 634 00:37:02,254 --> 00:37:04,794 He'll deny any knowledge. 635 00:37:04,894 --> 00:37:07,474 Mr Coulson, these are the written notes 636 00:37:07,574 --> 00:37:11,075 of the former News of the World employee, Glenn Mulcaire. 637 00:37:11,175 --> 00:37:13,715 Contractor. Not employee. 638 00:37:13,815 --> 00:37:16,035 Mr Coulson, do you recognise the name 639 00:37:16,135 --> 00:37:18,635 at the top left-hand corner of the page? 640 00:37:18,735 --> 00:37:21,435 - It says, "Greg." - This is the big one. 641 00:37:21,535 --> 00:37:23,755 Do you think that name refers to 642 00:37:23,855 --> 00:37:26,595 the former assistant editor, Greg Miskiw? 643 00:37:26,695 --> 00:37:29,235 No. Not to my knowledge. No. 644 00:37:29,335 --> 00:37:32,755 Do you have any knowledge of Greg Miskiw ordering Glenn Mulcaire, 645 00:37:32,855 --> 00:37:34,995 to hack Tommy Sheridan's phone? 646 00:37:35,095 --> 00:37:37,355 Are you telling me that you never ordered, 647 00:37:37,455 --> 00:37:41,795 or were unaware of Greg Miskiw ordering Mr Mulcaire to tap my phone? 648 00:37:41,895 --> 00:37:44,876 No, I had absolutely no knowledge of it, and I... 649 00:37:44,976 --> 00:37:48,476 I... I certainly didn't instruct anyone to do anything of the type. 650 00:37:48,576 --> 00:37:53,116 Interesting, because Sean Hoare in the New York Times... 651 00:37:53,216 --> 00:37:56,196 stated that he played you hacked voice mails. 652 00:37:56,296 --> 00:37:58,556 I remain confident there is no evidence 653 00:37:58,656 --> 00:38:00,876 to support Mr Hoare's accusations. That's my position. 654 00:38:00,976 --> 00:38:02,916 Do you have any comment on why Mr Hoare 655 00:38:03,016 --> 00:38:05,556 - would have made those accusations? - You should ask Mr Hoare. 656 00:38:05,656 --> 00:38:07,876 How bad was the culture at your newspaper? 657 00:38:07,976 --> 00:38:10,116 I don't accept there was any culture 658 00:38:10,216 --> 00:38:12,236 of phone hacking at the News of The World. 659 00:38:12,336 --> 00:38:16,396 There was one unfortunate case involving Clive Goodman, 660 00:38:16,496 --> 00:38:20,237 and no one was more sorry about it than me. 661 00:38:20,337 --> 00:38:23,237 And that's why I resigned. 662 00:38:23,337 --> 00:38:25,277 Tommy Sheridan? 663 00:38:25,377 --> 00:38:27,917 We got Miskiw's name out there. 664 00:38:28,017 --> 00:38:30,657 It wasn't enough, but we're rattling Coulson's cage. 665 00:38:31,737 --> 00:38:34,277 Well, let's see if this sends him over the edge. 666 00:38:34,377 --> 00:38:36,957 This was lodged in the high court this morning. 667 00:38:37,057 --> 00:38:39,317 Worth mentioning, in real life, he made me go to the courthouse 668 00:38:39,417 --> 00:38:41,397 to pick this up myself. 669 00:38:41,497 --> 00:38:43,437 Possibly not worth mentioning. 670 00:38:43,537 --> 00:38:47,037 - Mulcaire blagged her phone number. - I changed my phone twice, 671 00:38:47,137 --> 00:38:49,157 and somehow they always got it. 672 00:38:49,257 --> 00:38:51,198 It wasn't just her phone they were inside of. 673 00:38:51,298 --> 00:38:53,758 They targeted Sienna's mother, her boyfriend, 674 00:38:53,858 --> 00:38:55,798 his assistant, her publicist. 675 00:38:55,898 --> 00:38:59,318 We analysed my itemised phone bills and then we used them, 676 00:38:59,418 --> 00:39:02,318 to force the police to hand over calls made by Mulcaire. 677 00:39:02,418 --> 00:39:04,878 The police were sitting on this information for four years, 678 00:39:04,978 --> 00:39:08,678 I'll remind you. John Yates, four years. 679 00:39:08,778 --> 00:39:12,998 And then we linked them to the News of the World stories. 680 00:39:13,098 --> 00:39:16,678 There was a name that appeared in the top corner of Glenn's notes. 681 00:39:16,778 --> 00:39:18,718 A name we haven't had before? 682 00:39:18,818 --> 00:39:20,798 A name that could change everything. 683 00:39:20,898 --> 00:39:22,898 Tell me the name. 684 00:39:24,859 --> 00:39:27,479 - Ian Edmondson. - Ian Edmondson? 685 00:39:27,579 --> 00:39:30,279 - He reported directly to Coulson. - Ian Edmondson is the current 686 00:39:30,379 --> 00:39:32,579 news editor of the News of the World. 687 00:40:01,980 --> 00:40:04,340 Just heard. Good work, Nick. 688 00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:30,520 Sheridan? 689 00:40:30,620 --> 00:40:33,041 Oh, Nick. I couldn't get through to you. 690 00:40:33,141 --> 00:40:35,521 - So, well, I don't know how... - Is it the kids? 691 00:40:35,621 --> 00:40:37,681 No. No, no. Erm... 692 00:40:37,781 --> 00:40:42,501 It's about your father. God, I'm so sorry, Nick. 693 00:40:58,141 --> 00:41:00,081 Yeah, Graham? 694 00:41:00,181 --> 00:41:02,661 We found two crates in an old DPS office. 695 00:41:03,741 --> 00:41:06,982 A cleaner found them. It's old evidence on James Ward. 696 00:41:11,382 --> 00:41:14,882 But we told the judge we declared everything on Ward. 697 00:41:14,982 --> 00:41:16,982 I'm sorry. 698 00:41:20,022 --> 00:41:22,022 Huh, bye then. 699 00:41:23,342 --> 00:41:25,342 Now this is the end, right? 700 00:41:26,422 --> 00:41:29,342 Do you want the official answer or the honest answer? 701 00:41:30,462 --> 00:41:32,502 We don't survive this. 702 00:41:34,422 --> 00:41:36,422 I don't understand. 703 00:41:37,462 --> 00:41:39,723 How can they accuse us of withholding evidence 704 00:41:39,823 --> 00:41:42,243 when you didn't even know that the crates existed? 705 00:41:42,343 --> 00:41:46,443 It was a disused police building. Nothing to do with your team, right? 706 00:41:46,543 --> 00:41:48,483 Yeah. 707 00:41:48,583 --> 00:41:51,423 The office was locked for years. Nobody knew anything about it. 708 00:41:53,143 --> 00:41:55,083 But even if we could make the case 709 00:41:55,183 --> 00:41:57,343 that we weren't withholding the files, 710 00:41:58,423 --> 00:42:00,363 the contents... 711 00:42:00,463 --> 00:42:02,603 The details about James Ward 712 00:42:02,703 --> 00:42:05,123 that he didn't originally disclose to us... 713 00:42:05,223 --> 00:42:08,203 If we'd have had the files earlier, 714 00:42:08,303 --> 00:42:11,203 we may have been able to deal with it, 715 00:42:11,303 --> 00:42:14,224 but all of it together, it's... 716 00:42:15,304 --> 00:42:18,104 Years and years and years, gone. 717 00:42:19,984 --> 00:42:22,544 All because someone left some files in the wrong room. 718 00:42:25,904 --> 00:42:27,904 It's like everyone forgot. 719 00:42:29,024 --> 00:42:31,024 All the people in their court. 720 00:42:32,744 --> 00:42:34,824 This was supposed to be about Daniel. 721 00:42:56,145 --> 00:42:58,145 Hi. 722 00:43:03,065 --> 00:43:05,165 - You okay? - Yeah. 723 00:43:05,265 --> 00:43:07,365 I really loved him. 724 00:43:07,465 --> 00:43:10,145 - I know. - He was everything. 725 00:43:12,505 --> 00:43:14,505 It was complicated, but I really loved him. 726 00:43:16,825 --> 00:43:20,285 "The Lord is my Shepherd. I shall not want. 727 00:43:20,385 --> 00:43:23,206 "He makes me lie down in green pastures, 728 00:43:23,306 --> 00:43:25,306 "He leads me beside still waters. 729 00:43:26,306 --> 00:43:28,446 "He restores my soul, 730 00:43:28,793 --> 00:43:31,633 "He leads me in right paths for His name's sake. 731 00:43:32,426 --> 00:43:36,686 "Even though I walk through the darkest valley, I fear no evil, 732 00:43:36,786 --> 00:43:40,246 "For You are with me, Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me. 733 00:43:40,346 --> 00:43:42,286 "They comfort me. 734 00:43:42,386 --> 00:43:46,146 "You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies, 735 00:43:47,386 --> 00:43:50,006 "Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me 736 00:43:50,106 --> 00:43:52,566 "all the days of my life, 737 00:43:52,666 --> 00:43:56,747 "and I shall dwell in the house of the Lord, my whole life long." 738 00:44:06,347 --> 00:44:08,347 Hi. 739 00:44:13,027 --> 00:44:17,767 On the 14th of January, 2011, Rebekah Brooks asked her secretary 740 00:44:17,867 --> 00:44:21,847 to find somewhere discreet for her to meet Andy Coulson. 741 00:44:21,947 --> 00:44:24,607 She did so the next day, at 7:45 am. 742 00:44:24,707 --> 00:44:26,927 At the Halkin Hotel in Belgravia. 743 00:44:27,027 --> 00:44:29,888 We don't know what Brooks said to Coulson during that meeting 744 00:44:29,988 --> 00:44:34,828 but we do know that on the 21st of January, Andy Coulson resigned. 745 00:44:35,908 --> 00:44:38,848 He said, "Unfortunately, continued coverage of events 746 00:44:38,948 --> 00:44:41,888 - connected to my old job... - ... at the News of the World, 747 00:44:41,988 --> 00:44:45,648 has made it difficult for me to give the 110% needed in this role. 748 00:44:45,748 --> 00:44:48,308 I stand by what I said about those events. 749 00:44:49,508 --> 00:44:52,448 But when a spokesman needs a spokesman, 750 00:44:52,548 --> 00:44:54,668 it's time to move on. Thank you. 751 00:44:57,588 --> 00:44:59,828 Thank you. 752 00:45:08,629 --> 00:45:11,689 This is the end of a long, 753 00:45:11,789 --> 00:45:14,889 and as I am sure everyone associated with this case will agree, 754 00:45:14,989 --> 00:45:16,929 exhausting road. 755 00:45:17,029 --> 00:45:19,689 In all the years, that I have been a judge, 756 00:45:19,789 --> 00:45:21,889 I have never come across a case 757 00:45:21,989 --> 00:45:24,049 in which there have been so many issues 758 00:45:24,149 --> 00:45:27,089 or such complex issues to be resolved 759 00:45:27,189 --> 00:45:30,129 before a trial could even get underway. 760 00:45:30,229 --> 00:45:35,249 The family will inevitably be disappointed by the outcome. 761 00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:39,090 But they, I think, should be commended 762 00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:43,110 on the dignity with which they have faced these proceedings. 763 00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:49,330 Mr Rees, Mr Fillery, Mr Glenn Vian, 764 00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:51,990 Mr Garry Vian, please stand. 765 00:45:57,630 --> 00:45:59,810 You are free to go. 766 00:45:59,910 --> 00:46:02,690 Verdicts of not guilty have been entered 767 00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:06,290 in all of your cases. 768 00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:08,630 Thank you, all. 769 00:46:12,031 --> 00:46:14,031 Court rise. 770 00:46:20,231 --> 00:46:22,591 Your dad. Yeah. 771 00:46:23,591 --> 00:46:26,511 - He was a nice man. - You didn't know him. 772 00:46:28,111 --> 00:46:30,111 You made him sound nice. 773 00:46:33,431 --> 00:46:36,231 And... 774 00:46:37,271 --> 00:46:39,611 To Andy Coulson. 775 00:46:39,711 --> 00:46:41,911 May he disappear and never come back. 776 00:46:46,032 --> 00:46:48,492 I may as well tell you, we're reporting it. 777 00:46:48,592 --> 00:46:50,692 Tomorrow. 778 00:46:50,792 --> 00:46:54,132 Murdoch's going for full control of BSkyB. 779 00:46:54,232 --> 00:46:58,092 I did hear it was possible. 780 00:46:58,192 --> 00:47:01,732 If he gets that, he'll be able to leverage a serious amount of debt. 781 00:47:01,832 --> 00:47:04,072 Buy more, buy bigger. 782 00:47:05,072 --> 00:47:09,912 - We're talking world domination. - Why are you telling me this? 783 00:47:12,512 --> 00:47:14,492 To remind you it's not over. 784 00:47:14,592 --> 00:47:18,173 Remind me that they cut Coulson loose 785 00:47:18,273 --> 00:47:20,893 to save their BSkyB business. 786 00:47:20,993 --> 00:47:24,933 - It's... It's all a false victory. - Not false at all. 787 00:47:25,033 --> 00:47:28,793 Dissection is a slow process. We tackle them 788 00:47:30,433 --> 00:47:34,113 One limb at a time, and eventually they run out of limbs. 789 00:47:35,153 --> 00:47:37,153 Do they? 790 00:47:38,793 --> 00:47:41,093 I'm tired, Alan. 791 00:47:41,193 --> 00:47:43,773 - I wanna go home. - Agreed. 792 00:47:43,873 --> 00:47:47,013 We rest, we lick our wounds. We take stock. 793 00:47:47,113 --> 00:47:49,113 No, I don't... 794 00:47:52,514 --> 00:47:55,134 I... I don't think... I think on this story, 795 00:47:55,234 --> 00:47:57,694 I think you need to find someone to take over. 796 00:47:57,794 --> 00:48:01,754 Sometimes you need to know when to stop. 797 00:48:04,754 --> 00:48:06,834 It's time to stop. I need to stop. 798 00:48:10,194 --> 00:48:12,194 Sorry. 799 00:48:43,155 --> 00:48:45,615 And I thought a bit of fresh air might be in order. 800 00:48:45,715 --> 00:48:48,575 - No, I'm fine. - You're not. 801 00:48:48,675 --> 00:48:50,655 I'm all right. 802 00:48:50,755 --> 00:48:52,755 No, you're not, mate. 803 00:48:53,915 --> 00:48:56,135 Someone I want you to meet. 804 00:48:56,235 --> 00:48:59,316 He helped me. I think he can help you. 805 00:49:00,796 --> 00:49:03,596 Get showered, get dressed. Not leaving till you do it. 806 00:49:05,796 --> 00:49:07,796 I'm serious. 807 00:49:11,156 --> 00:49:13,156 Okay. 808 00:49:45,917 --> 00:49:47,857 Glen. 809 00:49:47,957 --> 00:49:50,777 David Cook, Gordon Brown. Gordon Brown, David Cook. 810 00:49:50,877 --> 00:49:53,017 I know a lot about you, DCS Cook. 811 00:49:53,117 --> 00:49:55,057 I appreciate you coming all this way. 812 00:49:55,157 --> 00:49:57,097 It's no problem. 813 00:49:57,197 --> 00:49:59,577 I'm interested in hearing more about what's happened to you. 814 00:49:59,677 --> 00:50:02,437 I, er... I think I might be able to help. 815 00:50:04,694 --> 00:50:07,654 Sub extracted from file & improved by Se7enOfNin9 for addic7ed.com