Previously on The Hack.
So Nick Davies and The Guardian
are losing the exclusive but winning the war.
Alan Rusbridger and The Guardian have been in touch with us at Panorama.
It's the hacking stuff, but there's also this story
on Jonathan Rees that they've been pushing.
We found invoices on his desk. Rees to Alex Marunchak.
At The News of the World while Andy Coulson was the editor.
There was a name that appeared in the top corner of Glenn's notes.
- Ian Edmondson. - Ian Edmondson?
He reported directly to Coulson.
Someone I want you to meet. David Cook. Gordon Brown.
I'm interested in hearing more about what's happened to you.
I, uh... I think I might be able to help.
I, uh...
- I hear you're a fan of walking. - I am.
Do you have a favourite spot?
Hill walking in Arran, sir.
You don't need to call me sir.
Policeman's habit.
Well, I like Arran.
Particularly, and, uh, and this might point
to a certain masochistic quality on my part,
- particularly in the winter time. - Well, it's the colours,
Arran in the winter.
Well, we shall have to go.
You can show me the route.
Oh, you're making me quite homesick.
Well, surely you can get up there
- more often now you're not... - Now that I don't have a job?
No, I didn't mean...
I should be able to, shouldn't I?
And yet I keep being dragged back to London.
Glen has told me something about what happened to you.
- Your story. - Okay.
The intrusion, the surveillance, the meeting with Rebekah Brooks.
It sounds a merry mess.
Yeah, well, look, I made mistakes I shouldn't have.
Well, we all do.
We all do.
My father was a minister,
as I think you know, in the Church of Scotland,
he would...
He would hear everyone's stories.
It's a great failing on my part that I don't have the time
nor the patience that he does.
So, I think it's my responsibility
to tell you why your cruel and unusual story matter to me.
It's because...
It's because I think this country has become polluted,
and I think that we could all...
should all try to do something about it, don't you?
You've read the pieces in The Guardian, about the hacking.
Yeah, Nick's a friend of mine.
Did you read the pieces
- in The New York Times, too? - I did.
And you know the work that Glen is doing
- at Panorama? - Yeah.
Rupert Murdoch is trying to take control of BSkyB.
If he does that, it's a valuable organization,
and he will leverage the value of it to accumulate the debt
needed to buy a huge multinational company,
perhaps Disney or Time Warner.
He'll have control of our media landscape and a good hold of America.
- He needs to be stopped. - I agree.
I will tell you my stories and you will tell me yours.
And then perhaps David,
perhaps we can work out how to help each other.
What do you say?
What do you want me to say?
Into the shark's cage.
I don't think they'll be providing us with cages tonight.
- You're late. - Who the hell thought press awards
were a good idea?
A narcissist who realised it's an industry full of narcissists
who pay to be rewarded
- for the narcissism. - I can't be here.
Look over there. News of the World.
You know they actually have members of staff
under arrest and many more being investigated.
The brass neck on them is ridiculous.
So the least I can attempt is some neck?
No. I just want you here.
You think we're going to win something. You're mad.
- Everyone here hates us. - I want you here
because I want us to lose with dignity together.
I've missed you.
I feel itchy. I hate this shirt.
Well, it makes you look
- extremely handsome. - Oh, well.
Now I have to go and play nice with some rich board members.
But please remember, these people,
they're more frightened of you than you are of them.
There's a difference between hate and fear.
Ladies and gentlemen, your attention, please.
Before our awards start this evening,
we have a special update from journalist Nick Davies.
On Wednesday, 26th of January,
News International passed Scotland Yard three email messages
which they claimed to have "only just discovered"
in Ian Edmondson's computer.
And Ian Edmondson was sacked.
Once in receipt of these emails,
Scotland Yard announced a new inquiry,
Operation Weeting, under the command of Sue Akers.
I dismissed Weeting as a PR move
by the Met until on the 9th of February
they released a statement.
The new evidence recently provided by News International
is being considered alongside material
already in the Metropolitan Police Service's possession.
It couldn't be. They weren't finally going to investigate
the last four years of their incompetence.
All actions and decisions
by the previous investigation are being reviewed.
Or were they? Were we winning? Finally?
I certainly didn't feel like a winner.
show business, shall we?
And the award for showbiz reporter of the year goes to...
It's Stephen Moyes of The News of the World.
Congratulations, Stephen.
Okay, and the award for news reporter of the year goes to...
It's the fake Sheikh, Mazher Mahmood, from The News of the World.
The Scoop of the Year now.
The Scoop of the year is awarded to The News of the World
for its excellent coverage of the cricket corruption scandal.
And the award goes to The News of the World.
The News of the World!
Okay, the moment we've all been waiting for.
It's the big one, the Newspaper of the Year.
Now, the Newspaper of the Year goes to,
for what the judges say is a paper
completely unafraid to take on the powers that be.
So, the newspaper of the year award goes to...
The Guardian.
- Jackie Hames? - Yes.
Hello, my name is DS Slater, and this is DC Grossman.
- Is it David? - David Cook? No.
Uh, No. Well, I suppose, um, in a way, yes.
We are here investigating. We're part of a new operation.
Operation Weeting,
we're investigating allegations of phone hacking.
Do you work for John Yates?
No, we're part of the Special Crime Directorate,
under the command of Deputy Assistant Commissioner Akers.
Great. Thank you.
You were found in the notebooks of Glenn Mulcaire.
This doesn't surprise me.
We'd like you to take a look at these details.
Is this your police payroll
- and warrant numbers? - Yes.
How did he have these?
That's where I lived in 1977.
And is this where you worked in 2002?
- Yes. Yeah. - And this phone number, this is...
This is correct. Yeah.
There's information here
that could only have come from my police personnel file.
Yeah, we, um, that's what we think.
Someone within the Met sold him my information,
- David's information. - It's um...
It's possible.
- When was this known? - I'm sorry?
When did the Metropolitan Police have this information?
A notebook was taken from Mulcaire in 2006.
- 2006? - Yeah.
And the Met chose neither to inform me nor investigate
this "possible" corruption.
Well, that's what we're trying to do now, ma'am.
- Glen Campbell. - Nick Davies.
- Hi. - Honour and a privilege.
I hear that you're not well liked at Panorama.
I hear you're adored at The Guardian.
So, who do you usually meet here?
This is where you meet criminals or politicians?
I float between cafes and pubs like a butterfly at a festival.
I liked the Panorama
- on Alex Marunchak. - It wasn't one of mine.
You helped. A lot. It was good.
You've got some particularly great hits in on Jonathan Rees.
And I'd liked your piece on him too.
Mr A. Very good.
- Are you writing more? - No.
I'm... didn't Dave say? I'm out.
Coulson's gone. This is as far as I can go.
Don't look like that.
An engineered death, but something.
I wanted people to take it seriously, they didn't.
So, I'm handing everything on.
I'm trying to persuade Alan to give me Belgium.
They gave you Newspaper of the Year.
That was for The Guardian, not me. I lost my category.
- You're getting somewhere, Nick. - I got somewhere.
Look, I know what this must have cost you.
Cost me isn't the half of it.
No one... No one cared.
The whole industry turned away like a complicit snake.
What if I said I came to see you today with an agenda?
I'm friends with Clare Rewcastle Brown,
the journalist and sister in law of Gordon Brown.
He's leaning in.
I took Dave to see him, and he now wants to meet you.
- Gordon Brown? - Gordon's been looking at your work,
and he thinks there's a way to use it to go further.
Come on, Nick. What's meeting him going to cost you?
Well, it's, uh, it's wonderful to have you all here.
Thank you, Clare and Glen for organising it.
You know, I have such respect for the work of everyone in this room.
And I used to be Prime Minister. There. Does that start us off?
Yes.
- Just about. - The Murdoch BSkyB bid
would be a disaster for our country.
This hacking investigation
needs better scrutiny than people have chosen to give it.
If people understood, properly understood the hacking,
what was happening with hacking,
it may mean they rethink the BSkyB bid.
We have a shared objective.
How we achieve that objective is...
well, I increasingly believe, as does Clare
and Tom, would be best achieved together.
And perhaps everyone would like some tea?
And perhaps everyone would like some tea.
Just sit, sit. I'll pour.
No, I'll pour.
Right. Who would like to begin?
Well, maybe I should speak first.
I was recently interrupted in an investigation room
and shown details of my case and Operation Weeting that were...
Well, the level of intrusion was troubling.
It's just possible that Operation Weeting
is the first Met op to be run properly.
Well, the secret is John Yates
- isn't running it. - Good.
Good. So, how do we help them?
Where will they struggle?
Well, we have to get them to include Jonathan Rees.
It makes no sense to tackle Mulcaire and not Rees.
I've got invoices to show
that they were both up to exactly the same activities.
Prepare me a file and I'll send it to Sue Akers.
- Is it that simple? - Well, I have access
to Sue through the Select Committee.
I can't promise results, but it's a start, no?
Well, Sue and I were DS's at the same time,
I've already asked her
to expand the scope of the investigation, but...
It'll mean more coming from a parliamentary perspective.
Good. What else?
You seem to all be constantly looking at me surprised.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the problem
we have is that the police, politicians and press
are all collaborating under Murdoch's aegis.
We are also made up of police, politicians and press
an unofficial opposition, if you like.
So, let's talk.
What do we need to do?
You, uh,
- are you having a nice time? - I'm fine.
You know, you're a remarkable campaigner, Nick.
Did you ever consider full time politics?
Um...
Well, I don't know. I don't know... Why would you say that?
Perhaps a bit too suspicious of other people to be a politician.
Something I struggle with myself sometimes.
And, uh, and I believe it because I've seen it. On this case.
You're not sure whether I mean this, are you?
- Sorry? - You don't trust me.
I think this is the ball that I picked up that I will quickly drop.
You're saying you won't drop the ball?
You know, they, um, they came at me in every way, as you might expect.
They blagged my lawyer,
they procured my family's medical information,
and they, um,
this is quite something, they impersonated me
to get into my building society account.
That's a lot.
I tried to hold a judicial inquiry into phone hacking in...
Let's see now, uh, autumn 2009,
- after I read a piece of yours. - That was my first article.
The civil service resisted it, I think is the kind term.
"It did not meet the tests of public concern."
You know, everyone, everyone thinks they're close to Rupert.
He's very adept at that. He talks quietly, you know all this.
He rarely disagrees, he asks questions
and, uh, he makes everyone feel interesting.
It fascinates me how the powerful let him in.
I wasn't as good at it, at that game as Tony.
When he came for me and, uh, and he did.
I was, I was unprepared,
whether it was how I bowed my head at the cenotaph
or how I wrote to the grieving mothers of dead soldiers.
- Yes, I remember. - You know, I rang Rupert
to tell him that his papers were damaging morale in Afghanistan.
As prime minister, I was asking people to fight,
to risk, and he was telling them article after article
that I was casual with their lives, with soldiers' life.
That I didn't care. To undermine that,
to make those young people feel...
undervalued by their government.
It's just not right.
Sometimes you can tell
that you're the son of a preacher.
You know he wants everything, his ambition is limitless.
But he's overstepped here. And badly.
We can and we should do something important to counter him.
But this started with you
and it's going to need to end with you.
All of which is to say, we need you, Nick.
- Dave. Dave. - Yes, sir.
- How's life at SOCA? - We're getting somewhere today.
Did I hear you've been giving orders to GCHQ? That must be fun.
It's a bit more complicated than that.
What can I do for you, John?
Would you mind popping into mine for a minute?
Sure.
Internal Investigations caught an email coming from your computer
- to Mike Sullivan at The Sun. - Which email?
So, why is this a problem?
I said you'd rather be told it by me...
Well, he was useful on Morgan, he's still useful now.
I mean, you've got a good relationship
with him yourself, haven't you?
I also have one or two questions
about the Panorama programme that went out.
- Yeah. - I believe you're friends
with Glen Campbell at Panorama.
- I have been. - Do you think you could ask him
how he got footage of Jonathan Rees at his computer?
Well, he's quite protective of his sources.
Rees is convinced, as am I,
that the footage could only have come from inside the Met.
He's threatening to take action. Again.
Did it? Come from inside the Met?
- Is that a further... - The request to pass information
to Mike Sullivan came from you.
- I mean, he's your mate. - But there are rules, Dave,
- and you know that. - I do.
And how's Operation Weeting treating you, Mr Rules?
Give Panorama, Mike Sullivan, Nick Davies or anyone fucking else,
anything about our cases
and you'll be strung up for all to see.
- Do you hear me? - Yeah, I hear you.
I've got permission to talk about it with you and you alone.
- I am privileged. - That means private meetings,
you and I, outside of editorial.
Of course. When have we not had those?
- Welcome back. - Alan. Our Scottish friend,
you know him better than I do.
- We can trust him, right? - I want to say two things.
One, you're a journalist
and I am scared that getting into bed with certain politicians
- we'll lose our vital independence. - You do it all the time.
I share my bed with all political parties
and I hope I'm pretty fair at sharing the covers.
Nick, we've just removed
a senior member of Conservative staff,
and I don't want that dismissed
as coming from the newspaper arm of the Labour group.
Yeah, understood. But I asked about Gordon.
And that's the second thing.
You don't go into a room with Gordon Brown
and get what you want,
you go into a room and get what he wants.
He's ferociously intelligent, and very used to power.
But if your interests align, as I think they do here,
he can be a remarkable ally.
- One last push, is it? - And then I want Brussels.
And then you want your well-paid chocolate dream.
Of course. Good.
But please Nick, take it slow.
To work. What have you got?
The flood of cases is overwhelming the courts.
So, they've just appointed a Hacking Judge.
He's already causing trouble.
At the Andy Gray trial, he said it's clear
Mulcaire had been regularly hacking him.
So that's an invitation. Any man, woman or creature
who has anything in those books has been given license to sue.
- And you'll write it up? - Yeah.
Why do you think they gave us this?
Huh? For good journalism.
None of them support the story, our story.
Guilt, the world's most powerful motive.
- I love you, darling. - Yeah. I love you too.
- Dinner's in an hour. - Okay.
It's mac and cheese.
She's not been sleeping very well.
I've been making her leave her phone downstairs most nights,
I'm not sure you'll get away with that.
I'll do my best.
Also, um...
I've been contacted by Operation Weeting.
- Oh, have you? - You knew then?
The things they had on me.
I know. I'm sorry.
- I should have warned you. - Yeah.
- Yates came after me today. - And?
- Didn't land a punch. - Good.
They're keeping me at arms length,
but they did tell me a few pieces of useful information.
You remember that time Surrey police got a call fishing for my details.
- Mm-hm. - Well, Weeting told me that, um,
it was probably Mulcaire who made that call.
Jesus Christ.
I don't think anyone's understood the depth of criminality here.
Destabilising police investigations,
we're talking about a murder charge being...
Yeah. Look, who I'm telling, right?
- Please don't laugh at me about this. - I'm not.
I'm not.
You know, right at the beginning of this,
I went to see Rebekah Brooks.
And I said, what you're doing is outrageous.
And you know what she said?
She said, "We believed
that you and Jackie were having an affair,
and as you're both public figures, public interest was on our side."
They thought we were having an affair
- when we were already married? - Ridiculous.
- Absurd. - Cruel, I think is a better word.
Yeah.
I have a source in the police who's been quite openly victimised.
Might stop the whining celebrity angle.
What whining celebrity angle?
People dismissing it because they think
it's just celebrities whining. Get him on the record.
It's just, he's been badly damaged
- by all this already. - You're Nick Davies?
Only on weekdays. Have we met? How can I help?
By telling me what the fuck
you think you're doing stealing my story?
Can we use your office?
- Which story have I stolen? - Apparently, you're Mr Hacking.
Every hacking story
- carries your byline. - It doesn't.
Today. In the paper. Published.
- You didn't write one word of it. - No.
- Well, aren't you going to apologise? - No.
You know, The Guardian gives out all this shit
about what kind of world it wants, and yet...
- This is well written. - Fuck off.
I didn't ask for a credit on it. Whoever said I did was wrong.
Right, then, who do we see next?
- Alan? - Bold, don't you think?
Writing a story about the hacking scandal
without consulting someone
who spent the last three years having his life destroyed by it?
Is this what works for you?
When you're attacked you just attack back?
No. Sometimes.
Maybe. You could have something there.
This is about Operation Weeting, it's a totally different thing.
How come I haven't seen you round the offices before?
I work alone. My own hours. They're supportive of it.
And what have you got on Weeting?
A contact of mine in the force has been put on it.
He's feeding me.
- Tell me everything. - No.
He says it's timid. He's eager for more action.
- What's he giving you? - Each arrest as it happens.
Neville Thurlbeck is going to be
at Kingston Police Station between nine and ten,
so, I'm there conveniently for the arrest.
Can you... might you tell your source,
um, tell him to look into the initial Select Committee hearings,
in particular the letter they got from the News International lawyers.
Because there's disclosures in that the police never got the answer to.
Thanks. I will.
Would it be so bad, us working together?
You need to see this.
Here's Ben Rosier in Wapping with more on this story.
First, the denials
that celebrity voicemail messages were listened to,
then they claim it was down to a single rogue reporter
- and a private investigator sidekick. - What?
Now the admission,
"We failed to uncover what was going on."
"We're going to apologise, and we're going to pay up."
- Fuck. - Absolutely right.
What exactly are The News of the World admitting to?
- It's brilliant. - Is it?
Well, by admitting they're at fault, and agreeing to cooperate,
in fact, what they're doing is they're finding a new device
for concealing the truth. Nick, will it be cheaper?
Uh, standard-rate damages
rather than the million-pound hush money they've had to pay out.
And getting this out in court now is next to impossible. Am I right?
Well, if you are... Uh, for instance, Sienna Miller
and you do take it to trial,
then if she ends up getting less at trial
than they offered her before, then she risks being ordered
to pay both side's costs, which could be astronomical.
And so... Then, yes, it makes getting to trial almost impossible.
- Shit. - My advice is...
They've twisted one way, we must twist another.
I've had a reply from Sue Akers on Rees.
She's shutting you down?
She says her remit is limited
to Mulcaire and the notebooks. She isn't going near Rees.
Should we try to leak something? Put pressure on that way.
I've got Rees specifically targeting Kate Middleton.
I've just heard he targeted John Yates.
Or we could... Do you think... If we twisted an arm or two,
do you think we could get me up the list for PMQs?
- Ah. That's a very good idea. - I'm not following.
What does Sue Akers want?
To be free to take the evidence wherever it leads her,
with a swift prod from the left.
Maybe the Prime Minister will extend her brief.
- You could even name Rees. - Oh. Good. Good.
Hang on. All of this exposes Dave to scrutiny again.
- I'm ready. - Tom, can I help?
- Please do. - Good. Good.
Let's box Cameron in.
As the Prime Minister has previously said,
the hacking inquiry should go where the evidence takes it.
The Metropolitan Police are in possession of paperwork,
which details the dealings
of criminal private investigator Jonathan Rees.
It strongly suggests that on behalf of News International,
he was illegally targeting members of the royal family,
senior politicians and high level terrorist informers.
Yet the head of Operation Weeting has recently written to me
to explain that this evidence
may be outside the inquiry's terms of reference.
Prime Minister,
I believe powerful forces are involved in a cover-up.
Please, please tell me what you intend to do
to make sure that this doesn't happen.
The point I'd make to the honourable gentleman
who I Know takes a close interest in this, is there is a police inquiry.
A police inquiry doesn't need terms of reference.
The police are free to investigate the evidence
and take that wherever it leads them
and then mount a prosecution with the CPS.
- Amelia. Hi. - Sorry, go in.
Sorry. A bit weird to wait for people outside toilets.
- Oh, I've done worse. - Got a minute?
- Sure. - Two inquiries are being set up.
Operation Tuleta,
looking specifically into Jonathan Rees.
- Good. - Operation Elveden...
I can never get over Scotland Yard's need for strange names.
To investigate the alleged payment of bribes to police officers
and other officials from journalists from the News of the World.
- What's made them do this? - You didn't see Tom Watson's speech?
- Oh, I may have done. - Did you write it?
Also, the Select Committee wading you suggested to my officer,
- let's call him... - Jingle.
Fine. It proved fruitful.
Operation Weeting forced some e-mails out of News International.
And the Met discovered on their servers
some systematic deletions.
- Of course. - In particular,
one enormous deletion in January.
While they were handing over
those three e-mails from Ian Edmondson? Bastards!
- Can we print? - I'm... I'm working on it.
Look, Jingle was grateful for the advice.
He said he can't volunteer information on active cases,
but ask him a question, he'll tell no lies.
We've had something interesting come up.
What is Judge Voss doing?
I feel like we've only seen a tiny percent of Mulcaire's note.
Voss is being robust with everyone. It's yielding fruit.
- Sienna Miller is being typically... - The Sky Andrew case feels important.
- Where are we... - Nick, I've got something,
if you're interested, but you will need to listen.
Sorry. Go on.
I've been representing, as you know, Leslie Ash and Lee Chapman.
Yeah, I read about it.
You're doing brilliantly.
You're like my ex, you always get complimentary
when you know you're in the wrong.
Sorry. I am sorry.
I heard you were a mess.
Oh, fine. I can see an island of sanity.
I'm... I'm floating close to it. Go on.
I went to Putney so that the rooting officers
could show me the notes Mulcaire had taken from Leslie Ash
- and Lee Chapman's voicemail. - Yeah.
And some genius combined the two names
and gave me the details of Leslie Chapman.
- Remind me. - Jessica Chapman's father.
Jessica Chapman was one of the murdered schoolgirls, right?
The Soham murders?
It looks like Leslie Chapman's voicemail was hacked.
They hacked the voicemail of a grieving father?
I'm not sure, but it looks that way. You can't use it. Yet.
- This could change everything. - I need to talk to the family.
I need permissions. I need to be sure.
The Chapman family, I could talk to them.
That's not why I'm telling you this.
Nick, think. If they're doing this to the Chapmans...
- Where else have they been? - Exactly.
Jessica Chapman.
The Soham murders tore the police apart for a while.
She's sure they were in the parents' phone?
It's in Mulcaire's notebooks. But I can't get in there.
- I've got to find another way in. - You will.
- I envy your confidence. - No, just, um...
I'm just happy to have you back.
- I thought that was better. - Sometimes.
It comes and goes.
Are you just frying that cheese?
It's halloumi cheese.
- You'll like it. - I'm not hungry anymore.
- What? - No, it's just that I don't get it.
I mean...
I eat when I know that I have to eat.
I just don't get hungry anymore.
- Don't. - What?
- With that sympathy look. - I'm not being sympathetic.
Don't try and pretend you're in any better state than me.
I've seen you, mate. You are this close to total collapse.
- I'm telling you. - You know the story
of the dung beetle?
Oh, God. Have I stooped that low?
- What? - It's what you trot out.
You trot out that story quite a lot, you know. Ask your kids.
Christ, pity your kids. Whatever's going on...
- Have you heard of the dung beetle? - An aggressive response.
Come on.
- That'll make you hungry. - Thank you.
- You want to know how I do it? - Hmm.
I focus on the details. Always the next detail.
I've been phobic of blood ever since a body exploded on me.
- Body exploded on you? - Yeah, well,
an older man full of hernias.
Normally, when a pathologist scalpel enters a cadaver, you hear a hiss.
Well, this time he exploded.
Blood was everywhere, I was covered in it.
I was in homicide. So going to pathology
is a key part of my job, right?
So I focused on the details.
Ears, toes.
Even how the wound looked.
The blood, I made disappear.
So how do you do it, Nick?
Tell me I'm mad.
- With pleasure. - I was in the database.
News of the World, April 14th, 2002.
Two hundred fifty words long, page nine.
It claims that voicemail messages
were sent to Milly's phone after she disappeared.
Milly Dowler.
"Police say voicemails were left
by a mentally disturbed woman who was hoaxed previous inquiries."
It even quotes what the voicemail said.
"Uh, hello. We're ringing because we have some interviews starting.
Can you call me back? Thank you. Bye-bye."
This is six days after Milly had disappeared.
Final edition of the paper.
That reference was removed.
Because they might have realised what a boo-boo they had made.
Charlotte has evidence
that they hacked Jessica Chapman's father on the Soham case.
We can't get close to that, that was the family...
- But this is the girl herself. - Rebekah was editor then.
This was under her aegis.
- Can you confirm this? - I think so.
Is this as big as I think it is?
Yes, it is.
Make sure it stands up.
Yeah, hi. Any fruit?
Jingle says they've been investigating.
Is that confirmation? Are they confirming that it happened?
Yes. There is a page on Dowler in Mulcaire's notebooks.
Right. We need to be absolutely watertight.
Nick, he also says they're pursuing a line of inquiry,
they deleted messages because the voice mailbox was full.
They deleted messages?
I'll get us a firm anonymous quote from Jingle.
- Okay, thanks Amelia. Bye-bye. - Bye.
I have a source from inside Weeting, I've got the article. Glen.
I've got a good source saying
that Surrey police knew about it and the Dowler family did not.
Well, this is it. This is it.
I don't want to believe, but I do.
The source is clear. Stuart Kuttner...
- Remember him? - ... even called Surrey police.
He didn't just hear the voicemail, he followed up on it.
They even think they deleted her answerphone messages
to allow space for messages to be given.
Which made the family think
- she was still alive. - Oh, God.
Do you know if we can land this, this changes everything.
- How? - A child? A dead child's phone?
It's despicable. You know, part of the British public
think that celebrities, politicians,
journalists even deserve everything they get.
But when an innocent is harmed, an innocent already wronged.
Trust me, the News of the World won't be forgiven for this.
Hi, this is Dave. Leave a message.
David, I've been offered to go on to Channel 4.
I don't have a career to protect, and I think I should do it.
If you have a problem with any of this,
could you just call me or text me, please? Thank you.
Mrs Dowler?
- My name is Nick Davies. - I know.
They said you'd be coming by.
I've just been watching you on YouTube.
- Come on. Come in. - Thank you.
Thank you.
- So the police are keeping you... - Up to date with it all, yes.
Operation Weeting,
- good team, it seems. - They say it was true.
Our daughter was hacked.
- Yes. - Can you tell us why?
Why? Sorry?
What we don't understand is why someone would do this.
You're a journalist. Can you explain?
I think they thought there was a good story in it.
A good story?
They wanted to... either to find her,
or to find something printable about her.
So, the phone promised all those things.
But we'd only just lost her, didn't they know it was wrong?
I think they didn't consider that.
Didn't they know it would hurt us?
Milly...
At that time, Milly was the most famous person in the UK,
and everyone wanted to read about her.
And I'm afraid they needed to sell their newspaper.
And now you're here.
- As someone else selling a newspaper. - I am.
Yes, but I'm hoping what we are doing...
will help expose a wrong that was done to your daughter.
However, yes, I, uh, we are selling newspapers,
and I know that all this will be bringing her
back into the spotlight again,
- and I know... - That's painful?
- Just slightly. - Yeah.
But you should do it all the same.
You have our permission Nick, if you needed it, that is.
Thank you.
Always can never get used to microphones
being poked everywhere.
I'm used to it. Crimewatch.
Of course. Of course you are.
- More used to it than me. - No.
Do you want to share
- the byline with Amelia? - Her source helped confirm it.
Needs something clearer.
- News of the World targeted... - Illegally targeted.
Good. Illegally targeted the missing schoolgirl Milly Dowler
- and her family in dates... - Yup.
interfering with the police investigation into...
No, interfering with police inquiries
into her disappearance and deleted messages.
Then what the family believed,
she's alive, the lie of that.
Do we have a source and a secondary source?
Yes, we do.
- Have we spoken to Scotland Yard? - Of course. I even asked for a quote.
This is quite something.
Channel 4 News can tonight reveal that allegations have been aired
that a Metropolitan Police detective
was put under surveillance by the News of the World journalist
and his personal details were targeted.
The former Crimewatch presenter and Detective Jacqui Haimes
has spoken out for the first time.
So, Jacqui, you were approached by Operation Weeting.
What did they show you?
They showed me various sheets of paper,
which I was told came from Glenn Mulcaire's diaries and notes
and sat there and read
the extent to which he had delved into my private life
and it was quite a body blow.
I want to know who instigated the surveillance
and the research that was done on us.
I would like to know how they got and who they got
that personal information from about us.
I would like to know what the purpose of it was from them.
Do you think there was an attempt, here, to interfere
with your ex-husband's criminal investigation,
and if so, what, where's the evidence for that?
It's very difficult when you look at the um,
the order in which things happened, the chronology of this,
not to at least want to shine a light on it, and say, you know,
how is it that the day after that appeal went out on Crimewatch,
that this started to happen,
and it's very difficult not to come to that conclusion
that they were in somehow complicit in all this,
or somebody within the organisation was.
Complicit in what, exactly?
In trying to discredit David, or myself.
Of course, they didn't print it.
And so it finally begins.
More revelations...
The pressure on the News of the World grows with...
- Another day of dramatic development. - Shocking story.
It is alleged
- that Glenn Mulcaire... - Hacked into the mobile phone
of the murdered schoolgirl Milly Dowler.
Well, this poor girl's dead and they're trying to get stories.
There is a new allegation that the tabloid may have hacked
into the phones of the relatives of soldiers killed in Iraq.
If these actions are proved to have been verified,
I'm appalled and find it quite disgusting.
Tonight, Chief Executive Rebekah Brooks says,
we're told, that she's shocked and that she knew nothing about it.
Today is the anniversary of 7/7.
Relatives of victims of the London bombings
may also have had their phones hacked into.
Somebody was listening to that. It's a violation, isn't it?
An extraordinary moment in British journalism.
The News of the World is to close.
What happened, happened very, very quickly.
It's like a bomb has hit the place.
Those decent people up there have been thrown out of a job today.
The sense that everyone gets is that Rupert Murdoch
is getting rid of the News of the World
in order to protect taking over BSkyB.
I'm interested in those who were responsible being brought to justice.
Scotland Yard confirmed today that it had received documents
suggesting a number of its officers
were given inappropriate payments by News International.
Paying police for information is a criminal offence.
It's corrupt, it's bribery.
David Cameron's former head of communications
is arrested over corruption and phone hacking.
The decision to hire him was mine and I take full responsibility.
There's an awful lot I'd like to say, but I can't.
The pressure is mounting on Rebekah Brooks.
Both her and James Murdoch should be leaving their desks.
The Prime Minister has announced details
of the independent public inquiry led by Lord Justice Leveson.
Who will have the power to summon and question...
Newspaper proprietors, journalists, police and politicians.
I recognise the vital importance
of reaching a number of conclusions, and I will strive to do so.
Rebekah Brooks, who finally bowed to pressure and resigned.
For the past 10 days, she's been at the heart of the storm.
Now she has decided to step away.
Assistant Commissioner John Yates has also quit.
It is with great regret that I make this decision.
The mighty Murdoch empire has suffered
its most humiliating blow yet,
as it suddenly dropped its bid to take control of BSkyB.
Murdoch has abandoned his bid for BSkyB
But will he face wider consequences
in relation to the phone hacking scandal?
What will come next in this shocking saga?
And I heard, as it were, the noise of thunder,
one of the four beasts saying,
come and see.
And I saw, and behold,
a white horse.
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