1 00:00:34,003 --> 00:00:36,673 I do remember being in Vegas with him. 2 00:00:36,756 --> 00:00:38,174 It was on! 3 00:00:38,257 --> 00:00:40,551 The party was starting right away. 4 00:00:41,302 --> 00:00:44,722 Mixin' it up. Bring on the shookers! 5 00:00:44,806 --> 00:00:46,641 That's whores and sluts, you're gonna learn. 6 00:00:46,724 --> 00:00:48,768 - That's smart hookers. - Yeah. 7 00:00:48,851 --> 00:00:49,851 Wow. 8 00:00:53,356 --> 00:00:56,150 One thing about Dennis: he had to escape. 9 00:00:56,234 --> 00:00:58,820 He'd like to go out. He liked to go to clubs. 10 00:00:59,821 --> 00:01:03,074 We'd go to his favorite restaurant, then we'd go to a nightclub, 11 00:01:03,157 --> 00:01:05,034 then we'd go to after hours. It didn't stop. 12 00:01:08,121 --> 00:01:10,164 It's all about getting your groove on, right? 13 00:01:10,707 --> 00:01:14,627 It was definitely an occupational hazard to be Dennis' girlfriend. 14 00:01:16,295 --> 00:01:17,588 He was wild. 15 00:01:27,765 --> 00:01:29,225 Suck it down, motherfucker! 16 00:01:31,894 --> 00:01:35,481 But to be honest, I didn't realize what the team's schedule was. 17 00:01:35,565 --> 00:01:37,650 I didn't know he took a detour. 18 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:45,992 Did Dennis come back on time? 19 00:01:46,075 --> 00:01:47,452 Mmm-mmm. 20 00:01:47,535 --> 00:01:51,039 He didn't come back on time. We had to go get his ass out of bed. 21 00:01:51,122 --> 00:01:55,334 And I'm not gonna say what's in his bed and where he was and blah, blah, blah. 22 00:01:56,044 --> 00:01:58,838 There's a knock on the door. It's Michael Jordan, 23 00:01:58,921 --> 00:02:00,298 and I hid. 24 00:02:00,798 --> 00:02:04,844 I didn't want him to see me like that, so I... 25 00:02:04,927 --> 00:02:07,805 I'm just hiding behind the couch with covers over me. 26 00:02:07,889 --> 00:02:10,641 "Come on, you... We gotta get to practice." 27 00:02:11,225 --> 00:02:13,352 Dennis came back and joined the team. 28 00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:16,481 And that's the way it went that year. 29 00:02:19,567 --> 00:02:20,753 I wanted to tell you... 30 00:02:20,777 --> 00:02:22,862 Did you get your body through anything today, Dennis? 31 00:02:22,945 --> 00:02:26,991 You gotta put your body through things so the muscles have a memorization, too. 32 00:02:28,159 --> 00:02:32,914 His body made it here, Phil. Don't beg for too much. 33 00:02:34,415 --> 00:02:36,751 Michael and Scottie accepted me for who I am. 34 00:02:37,376 --> 00:02:42,090 They say, "You know what? He does what he does, but he cares a lot." 35 00:02:43,424 --> 00:02:45,259 I go party hard, but I work hard. 36 00:02:46,344 --> 00:02:50,181 I think that we get along so well because we wanna win. We wanna win a championship. 37 00:02:55,686 --> 00:02:56,854 Kamikaze. 38 00:03:00,900 --> 00:03:02,318 A spectacular move! 39 00:03:02,401 --> 00:03:03,903 The game's over! 40 00:03:03,986 --> 00:03:06,322 Chicago Stadium is going wild! 41 00:03:08,282 --> 00:03:10,722 First of all, there's no backstabbing going on here. 42 00:03:10,785 --> 00:03:12,203 It's time for me to move on. 43 00:03:12,286 --> 00:03:14,686 This will be Phil's last year as coach of the Bulls. 44 00:03:16,833 --> 00:03:19,353 - Are the expectations too high? - Where do we go from here? 45 00:03:19,377 --> 00:03:22,171 The only question: how long can it last? 46 00:04:04,672 --> 00:04:08,384 After his vacation, Dennis comes back to practice. 47 00:04:09,177 --> 00:04:12,388 Phil's now... His whole motive is to get Dennis back in shape. 48 00:04:13,890 --> 00:04:16,475 So, we start this drill called the Indian drill. 49 00:04:17,518 --> 00:04:19,145 Everybody starts running in a line. 50 00:04:20,563 --> 00:04:24,358 And Phil blows a whistle. Whoever's at the back, run to the front. 51 00:04:24,442 --> 00:04:28,529 Now, you can't stop. Whoever's in front controls the pace. 52 00:04:28,613 --> 00:04:31,157 So, I'm saying, "Fuck, this is kind of messed up," 53 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,994 because now I'm getting caught up in "Dennis getting in shape drill," 54 00:04:35,077 --> 00:04:36,996 when in essence, I hadn't taken a vacation. 55 00:04:37,079 --> 00:04:41,042 So I tell everybody in that group, "Look, whoever gets in the front of that row, 56 00:04:41,125 --> 00:04:42,960 slow down to a fucking walk. 57 00:04:43,044 --> 00:04:46,047 We just gonna jog and jog and jog and jog." 58 00:04:46,547 --> 00:04:53,512 So, Steve Kerr and Jud Buechler, they all get to the line, we just slowly, 59 00:04:53,596 --> 00:04:56,807 we just running, slowly just running, and then, 60 00:04:56,891 --> 00:04:58,226 Dennis takes off. Boom! 61 00:04:58,309 --> 00:04:59,644 Now, he blows the whistle. 62 00:04:59,727 --> 00:05:03,606 Now, we cannot stop until we get back in front of Dennis. 63 00:05:03,689 --> 00:05:06,067 It took us four laps to catch up to Dennis. 64 00:05:06,150 --> 00:05:09,487 It was in his psyche. He needed to get away. 65 00:05:09,570 --> 00:05:11,781 But, in all honesty, Dennis was always there. 66 00:05:11,864 --> 00:05:13,532 He was always on point. 67 00:05:18,037 --> 00:05:21,374 Phil realized that I was different, man. 68 00:05:21,874 --> 00:05:25,294 Phil knew me so well, 'cause he knew I... 69 00:05:26,295 --> 00:05:29,006 So much shit I was doing. But I had to get my head right. 70 00:05:29,090 --> 00:05:31,801 But that's what's so cool about playing with that team, 71 00:05:31,884 --> 00:05:36,472 and they was all about... Anybody needed to do something, they was all about it. 72 00:05:36,555 --> 00:05:37,974 And Phil was cool about it. 73 00:05:38,766 --> 00:05:41,811 Dennis is always a rebel, at some point. 74 00:05:41,894 --> 00:05:45,773 He wants to join the group, but the other part of him wants to be autonomous. 75 00:05:46,649 --> 00:05:49,735 So, we appreciate the fact that he's a maverick. 76 00:05:50,444 --> 00:05:52,989 But yet, when it comes time for him to perform, 77 00:05:53,072 --> 00:05:55,908 he's always on the court for us, always playing hard for us. 78 00:05:57,868 --> 00:05:59,495 Dennis and I have this... 79 00:06:00,579 --> 00:06:02,915 Native American bond between us. 80 00:06:05,084 --> 00:06:08,546 He comes in one day, and Dennis and I met in the team room. 81 00:06:09,171 --> 00:06:11,257 In the team room, I have a bear claw necklace, 82 00:06:11,340 --> 00:06:14,510 a turtle shell that came from another Indian reservation, 83 00:06:15,303 --> 00:06:17,138 and various other Indian artifacts. 84 00:06:19,140 --> 00:06:22,435 And so, Dennis is like, "Wow." 85 00:06:22,518 --> 00:06:26,355 He said, "I have this necklace from the Ponca Indians in Oklahoma. 86 00:06:26,939 --> 00:06:28,441 I can... I'm hip to that." 87 00:06:28,524 --> 00:06:33,154 And I say, "Dennis, in their tradition, and the tradition that I knew, 88 00:06:33,237 --> 00:06:36,282 you would be a heyoka, a backward-walking person. 89 00:06:36,782 --> 00:06:39,327 There were people that were different, and you're a heyoka. 90 00:06:39,410 --> 00:06:41,537 So, you're this heyoka in this tribe." 91 00:06:44,332 --> 00:06:46,372 He don't look at me as a basketball player. 92 00:06:46,417 --> 00:06:47,793 He look at me as a great friend. 93 00:06:48,627 --> 00:06:51,339 He realized that I probably needed him for inspiration. 94 00:06:53,007 --> 00:06:55,217 He wants to see me persevere. 95 00:06:58,095 --> 00:07:02,308 I had never met a coach who was that different 96 00:07:02,892 --> 00:07:07,355 and genuine when it came to bringing the group together. 97 00:07:07,855 --> 00:07:11,359 He had this real interest in Native American history, 98 00:07:11,859 --> 00:07:15,946 and he would weave that into our own culture. 99 00:07:16,030 --> 00:07:20,409 He brought in Zen Buddhism and Native American Indian philosophies. 100 00:07:21,243 --> 00:07:24,080 Everything was about being focused, playing as one. 101 00:07:33,464 --> 00:07:35,664 When I was at Great Falls as a kid growing up, 102 00:07:36,300 --> 00:07:40,179 my grandparents had this boarding house with small little cabins. 103 00:07:41,722 --> 00:07:44,683 And Native American people from a popular Indian reservation 104 00:07:44,767 --> 00:07:46,811 used to come and they'd have their kids. 105 00:07:47,395 --> 00:07:52,525 And so I started learning more and more about this Native American culture. 106 00:07:53,526 --> 00:07:56,779 There was a certain negativity about playing with these kids. 107 00:07:57,446 --> 00:07:58,781 I didn't feel that at all. 108 00:07:59,698 --> 00:08:02,243 Cowboys and Indians was a game that kids played. 109 00:08:02,326 --> 00:08:03,911 And I was always the Indian. 110 00:08:06,247 --> 00:08:08,374 My dad was a pastor. 111 00:08:08,958 --> 00:08:11,043 My mother was also a minister. 112 00:08:11,127 --> 00:08:16,048 She had an extreme belief about the, uh, second coming of Christ. 113 00:08:16,757 --> 00:08:21,637 So, that was something that was foremost in your mind in growing up. 114 00:08:22,304 --> 00:08:24,181 "Would you be ready, if Christ came, 115 00:08:24,265 --> 00:08:28,394 to be taken as part of that group that would be raptured?" 116 00:08:30,104 --> 00:08:32,815 My goal was always in conflict. 117 00:08:32,898 --> 00:08:36,193 I would rather be playing sports than being on my knees, praying. 118 00:08:38,070 --> 00:08:40,573 I played basketball from the time I was a little kid, 119 00:08:41,740 --> 00:08:44,535 and eventually went to the University of North Dakota. 120 00:08:45,536 --> 00:08:47,536 Jackson is having a whale of a night. 121 00:08:47,580 --> 00:08:48,956 He scored 28 in the first half 122 00:08:49,039 --> 00:08:51,625 and has continued the onslaught here in the second half. 123 00:08:53,669 --> 00:08:55,796 The Knicks drafted me in the second round. 124 00:08:56,881 --> 00:08:59,550 And I'd made the All-Rookie Team, my rookie season. 125 00:08:59,633 --> 00:09:01,552 Jackson defensively gets the ball. 126 00:09:01,635 --> 00:09:03,429 I remember seeing Phil Jackson. 127 00:09:03,512 --> 00:09:05,264 Jackson knocking it away... 128 00:09:05,347 --> 00:09:07,183 He was always smacking guys around. 129 00:09:07,850 --> 00:09:10,728 He was like an earlier version of Dennis Rodman. 130 00:09:13,606 --> 00:09:15,357 I was 11 years with the Knicks. 131 00:09:15,441 --> 00:09:18,360 We had seven good years. We went to the finals three years. 132 00:09:18,444 --> 00:09:20,571 White has the ball. Stolen by Jackson! 133 00:09:20,654 --> 00:09:23,866 Racing ahead of the field, he drives, lays it up... 134 00:09:23,949 --> 00:09:25,784 And we won two championships. 135 00:09:35,085 --> 00:09:37,379 Phil and I wrote Maverick together. 136 00:09:39,131 --> 00:09:41,342 In that book, Phil talks about taking acid. 137 00:09:45,387 --> 00:09:49,808 And thinking he was a lion, roaring up and down the beach in LA. 138 00:09:50,518 --> 00:09:51,769 Phil was like a hippie 139 00:09:52,478 --> 00:09:56,315 and different from the NBA fraternity. 140 00:09:57,399 --> 00:09:58,943 When I was playing as a pro, 141 00:09:59,026 --> 00:10:01,779 Red Holzman encouraged me to think about coaching, 142 00:10:01,862 --> 00:10:05,366 and particularly in Puerto Rico, where I ended up coaching for a while. 143 00:10:07,117 --> 00:10:11,622 I spent a lot of time down there in the Superior League, it was called. 144 00:10:11,705 --> 00:10:13,249 They played every other day. 145 00:10:13,332 --> 00:10:17,628 And these players would just play ferociously. 146 00:10:29,515 --> 00:10:32,851 Jackson steps on the court to argue with the referees. 147 00:10:32,935 --> 00:10:36,063 There was a local animosity among these small towns. 148 00:10:38,148 --> 00:10:42,027 There were fires on your way out of town, and rocks being thrown at your car. 149 00:10:42,111 --> 00:10:45,990 They'd kill a chicken... in a graveyard, 150 00:10:46,073 --> 00:10:49,451 and pour the blood on the visiting team's bench. 151 00:10:50,452 --> 00:10:53,831 The town I went to, Quebradillas, was ferocious. 152 00:10:53,914 --> 00:10:57,793 The mayor had actually shot an official one time with a gun 153 00:10:57,876 --> 00:10:59,837 and hit him in the lower leg. 154 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:01,589 So, his punishment was 155 00:11:01,672 --> 00:11:05,634 he wasn't allowed to go to any more home games for the rest of the season. 156 00:11:07,052 --> 00:11:09,555 But, really, there's a lot of love about the game, 157 00:11:09,638 --> 00:11:12,099 and I learned a lot of things from the process. 158 00:11:13,309 --> 00:11:18,439 And then I got a call about coaching over in the CBA for the Albany Patroons. 159 00:11:19,565 --> 00:11:22,693 And now introducing the head coach of the Patroons, 160 00:11:22,776 --> 00:11:26,030 formerly of the New York Knickerbockers, Phil Jackson. 161 00:11:26,113 --> 00:11:27,281 Phil Jackson. 162 00:11:27,865 --> 00:11:30,826 Then in '84, we won the championship. 163 00:11:30,909 --> 00:11:32,328 They came together as a group, 164 00:11:32,411 --> 00:11:34,580 and it's been a great team effort ever since. 165 00:11:34,663 --> 00:11:35,998 - We're ecstatic. - Whoo! 166 00:11:36,790 --> 00:11:39,752 After that, the Bulls tracked me down, 167 00:11:39,835 --> 00:11:45,257 and I got up to interview for an assistant job under Stan Albeck. 168 00:11:45,841 --> 00:11:49,219 Jerry Krause and I had a really good relationship. 169 00:11:49,303 --> 00:11:50,846 I wanted to bring Phil in. 170 00:11:51,347 --> 00:11:54,725 He came in, uh... not dressed real well. 171 00:11:55,309 --> 00:11:56,518 Stan was very conservative. 172 00:11:56,602 --> 00:11:58,979 Phil looked anything but conservative at that point. 173 00:11:59,063 --> 00:12:03,776 And Stan quickly, uh, nixed that idea. Two years later, we had an opening. 174 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,154 And this time I called Phil, and I told him how to dress 175 00:12:07,237 --> 00:12:11,617 and how to, uh, talk to Doug. Doug Collins was our coach. 176 00:12:12,242 --> 00:12:15,329 And I kind of helped Doug think about it, and we hired Phil. 177 00:12:18,707 --> 00:12:20,167 Under Doug Collins, 178 00:12:20,250 --> 00:12:22,628 one of the assistant coaches was Tex Winter. 179 00:12:23,295 --> 00:12:26,632 Jerry Krause had the idea that Tex was gonna be a mentor. 180 00:12:26,715 --> 00:12:30,844 Doug was gonna follow the things that he would teach as a coach. 181 00:12:30,928 --> 00:12:34,682 When I took this job 11 years ago, the first person we hired was Tex Winter. 182 00:12:35,683 --> 00:12:39,561 He's a brilliant man. The finest offensive mind in basketball. 183 00:12:40,771 --> 00:12:42,272 Triangle is formed between... 184 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,861 Forward Two, Guard One, who has now moved to the corner, 185 00:12:48,362 --> 00:12:50,739 and Center Five, who forms the apex of the triangle. 186 00:12:51,907 --> 00:12:54,284 He had a system called "the triangle." 187 00:12:54,368 --> 00:12:57,955 Jerry said, "I've been listening to his basketball philosophy for years. 188 00:12:58,497 --> 00:13:01,875 He's got the kind of philosophy I'd like to see happen with this team." 189 00:13:03,001 --> 00:13:04,795 Doug's philosophy was different. 190 00:13:04,878 --> 00:13:08,549 Doug would have these plays that always ended up with Michael Jordan 191 00:13:08,632 --> 00:13:10,676 being the recipient of the score. 192 00:13:11,635 --> 00:13:12,678 Tex was always like, 193 00:13:12,761 --> 00:13:15,597 "There's a way of playing this game that's different than that." 194 00:13:16,140 --> 00:13:19,560 Tex Winter... would berate Doug about, 195 00:13:19,643 --> 00:13:23,188 "You should institute the triangle." Doug would not hear of it. 196 00:13:23,272 --> 00:13:25,232 Doug finally had heard it enough and said, 197 00:13:25,315 --> 00:13:28,777 "I'm tired of hearing that," and then the argument escalated a bit, 198 00:13:28,861 --> 00:13:31,488 and Tex Winter was banned from the bench. 199 00:13:33,907 --> 00:13:35,868 He wasn't coaching on the floor anymore. 200 00:13:35,951 --> 00:13:39,121 He was sitting in the corner, taking notes about the practice. 201 00:13:39,621 --> 00:13:42,040 Jerry Krause was really unhappy with that. 202 00:13:43,041 --> 00:13:44,918 During that period of time, 203 00:13:45,002 --> 00:13:48,088 Krause made the decision that I should work together with Tex. 204 00:13:48,756 --> 00:13:53,135 Phil was picking the brains of the best basketball man I've ever known, 205 00:13:53,218 --> 00:13:54,511 and I was watching it. 206 00:13:55,637 --> 00:13:57,014 And I thought, you know what? 207 00:13:57,097 --> 00:13:59,641 This is getting more and more interesting all the time. 208 00:14:00,267 --> 00:14:02,895 Is there anything that you missed? 209 00:14:03,479 --> 00:14:05,355 You still got a bit more room. 210 00:14:06,315 --> 00:14:08,525 I could've done another tier here, Mike. 211 00:14:08,609 --> 00:14:10,486 Mike, we want you to deny the ball, 212 00:14:10,569 --> 00:14:13,071 so they can't throw the ball in easy to the blocks. 213 00:14:13,155 --> 00:14:15,073 So, big man, if your man clears, 214 00:14:15,157 --> 00:14:17,034 you must tell Michael that he's alone out there 215 00:14:17,117 --> 00:14:19,286 so he doesn't get naked on a back-door situation. 216 00:14:22,456 --> 00:14:25,542 Midway through my second year, I felt Phil could be the coach. 217 00:14:26,752 --> 00:14:29,379 - What gave you that sense? - Just sense. 218 00:14:32,132 --> 00:14:34,718 - You don't want to go into the details? - It's just feeling. 219 00:14:35,761 --> 00:14:38,138 Jerry wanted to talk to me, so I go in and talk. 220 00:14:38,222 --> 00:14:42,392 He says, "I may have to do something that's gonna rock this... franchise." 221 00:14:42,476 --> 00:14:45,103 I said, "What?" He says, "I'm gonna have to fire Doug Collins." 222 00:14:45,187 --> 00:14:47,272 I said, "It's gonna be some fuckin' balls, 223 00:14:47,356 --> 00:14:50,234 fire a guy that just took us to the Eastern Conference Final." 224 00:14:50,317 --> 00:14:54,321 If you're getting ready for work now, you're probably not Doug Collins. 225 00:14:54,404 --> 00:14:57,574 The Bulls head coach was fired in a surprise move yesterday. 226 00:14:58,158 --> 00:15:01,245 I have the worst-kept secret in town sitting next to me. 227 00:15:01,328 --> 00:15:04,790 You guys, as usual, got us on that one. 228 00:15:05,374 --> 00:15:07,000 For the last two years, 229 00:15:07,084 --> 00:15:10,170 Phil Jackson has been a very integral part of this organization. 230 00:15:10,254 --> 00:15:13,465 He's now ready to be a head coach. Welcome, coach. 231 00:15:13,549 --> 00:15:14,633 Thanks, Jerry. 232 00:15:15,884 --> 00:15:17,804 Have you talked to Michael Jordan yet? 233 00:15:17,845 --> 00:15:19,888 - Yes, I have. - What'd he say? 234 00:15:19,972 --> 00:15:22,474 "Congratulations! Let's go win a championship." 235 00:15:24,101 --> 00:15:27,521 Phil took over and just had a different approach. 236 00:15:28,230 --> 00:15:32,609 Doug's approach was more catered to Michael, 237 00:15:33,110 --> 00:15:37,489 and Phil's approach was more catered to the team. 238 00:15:37,573 --> 00:15:41,201 I wasn't a Phil Jackson fan, you know, when he first came in, 239 00:15:41,285 --> 00:15:44,413 because he was coming in to take the ball out of my hands. 240 00:15:44,496 --> 00:15:46,206 Doug put the ball in my hands. 241 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,252 Tex Winter, his right-hand man, 242 00:15:50,335 --> 00:15:53,589 had sold him on an offense that he believed 243 00:15:53,672 --> 00:15:58,677 would get us out of this one-on-one type of basketball. 244 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,637 The triangle offense is set 245 00:16:00,721 --> 00:16:04,141 so that there's a key pass that creates motion. 246 00:16:05,767 --> 00:16:09,605 Then there's 33 different types of options that come out of that single pass. 247 00:16:10,355 --> 00:16:16,987 Players can do spontaneous, creative things using their strengths. 248 00:16:17,738 --> 00:16:20,198 Everybody has an opportunity to touch the ball 249 00:16:20,282 --> 00:16:23,577 but I didn't want Bill Cartwright to have the ball with five seconds left. 250 00:16:23,660 --> 00:16:26,580 bounce into Cartwright, shoots over Rollins. Nope. 251 00:16:27,706 --> 00:16:30,792 That's not equal-opportunity offense. That's fucking bullshit. 252 00:16:31,793 --> 00:16:35,380 Oh, my! Michael Jordan has 54 points! 253 00:16:35,464 --> 00:16:37,466 Sixty points for Jordan! 254 00:16:37,549 --> 00:16:40,260 Sixty-nine points for Michael Jordan. 255 00:16:40,344 --> 00:16:43,347 There was so many times Tex used to yell at me, saying, 256 00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:46,516 "Move the ball. Move the ball." He says, "No 'I' in team." 257 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,268 I said, "There's an 'I' in win." 258 00:16:49,311 --> 00:16:51,980 I met Michael and I told him what we were gonna do. 259 00:16:52,064 --> 00:16:57,152 "Obviously, you've scored 37, 38 points a game the last couple years. 260 00:16:57,235 --> 00:17:00,781 I don't anticipate you're going to be the scoring champion in the league. 261 00:17:01,365 --> 00:17:05,369 The spotlight's on the ball and if you're always the guy that's gonna have the ball, 262 00:17:05,452 --> 00:17:08,622 teams can generate a defense against that, 263 00:17:08,705 --> 00:17:11,500 which happened with the Pistons the last couple years." 264 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,044 He said, "I'm not worried about you, 265 00:17:14,127 --> 00:17:16,630 but we gotta find a way to make everybody else better. 266 00:17:16,713 --> 00:17:17,965 We gotta create other threats." 267 00:17:19,299 --> 00:17:22,344 I came in the game as being a point guard, 268 00:17:22,844 --> 00:17:27,849 but my growth sort of, uh, grew me into a small forward. 269 00:17:29,017 --> 00:17:33,063 The triangle offense allowed me to be more of what I wanted to be. 270 00:17:33,855 --> 00:17:36,191 Scottie Pippen's turnaround! 271 00:17:36,274 --> 00:17:39,736 Scottie kinda developed that new position called the point forward. 272 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,864 Instead of being in Michael's shadow, 273 00:17:42,948 --> 00:17:45,993 Scottie was starting to blossom as one of the top players in the NBA. 274 00:17:46,076 --> 00:17:48,203 Beautiful move by Scottie! 275 00:17:48,286 --> 00:17:52,082 Making his All-Star debut from the Chicago Bulls, Scottie Pippen. 276 00:17:57,629 --> 00:18:00,966 Michael Jordan is making an adjustment to this new philosophy, 277 00:18:01,049 --> 00:18:03,885 which tries to relieve him of the offensive burden. 278 00:18:04,469 --> 00:18:08,348 He realized that him playing and just scoring 30 points 279 00:18:08,432 --> 00:18:11,268 wasn't going to win the last game of the season. 280 00:18:11,351 --> 00:18:13,937 I'm not gonna be the type of person 281 00:18:14,021 --> 00:18:16,773 who's very hungry to lead the league in scoring once again, 282 00:18:16,857 --> 00:18:18,900 or to chase individual accolades. 283 00:18:19,484 --> 00:18:24,197 He made a conscious effort to say, "No individual is gonna be the team." 284 00:18:24,281 --> 00:18:26,616 Now, I'm more or less geared towards team success. 285 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:28,869 That's a special thing to have happen, 286 00:18:28,952 --> 00:18:32,456 when the largest icon that the NBA's ever had understands that, 287 00:18:32,539 --> 00:18:34,916 "I don't have to have the ball in my hands all the time." 288 00:18:37,044 --> 00:18:40,922 With the triangle offense, certainly, it needed some little time to adjust, 289 00:18:41,006 --> 00:18:43,341 for everyone to adjust to it at their own pace, 290 00:18:44,009 --> 00:18:48,346 and it took us about a year or so, as a team, to do it. 291 00:18:48,847 --> 00:18:55,353 But by the 1990 playoffs, we all felt that we were ready to beat the Detroit Pistons. 292 00:18:55,437 --> 00:18:57,731 The hurdle that comes up now is the big one. 293 00:18:58,398 --> 00:19:02,360 And we know that the challenge of the Detroit Pistons is immense. 294 00:19:02,444 --> 00:19:04,988 It's one that we've been waiting for all season long. 295 00:19:05,072 --> 00:19:08,950 Chicago was the only team to beat the Pistons in the playoffs last year 296 00:19:09,034 --> 00:19:12,204 and they're a deeper and more balanced team this time around. 297 00:19:12,788 --> 00:19:15,665 I felt like we were in a position to win, you know. 298 00:19:15,749 --> 00:19:18,752 And we pushed them to a game seven in their building. 299 00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:21,922 That's the Scottie migraine game, right? 300 00:19:22,464 --> 00:19:23,464 Yeah. 301 00:19:26,134 --> 00:19:29,262 The defending world champions, the Detroit Pistons, 302 00:19:29,346 --> 00:19:31,556 extended to a seventh game. 303 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:37,938 And 21,500 are gathered here for a very special afternoon. 304 00:19:38,980 --> 00:19:42,150 When I got up that morning and went down for breakfast, 305 00:19:42,984 --> 00:19:44,152 I had a headache. 306 00:19:45,070 --> 00:19:47,364 I started feeling like I wanted to throw up. 307 00:19:49,116 --> 00:19:54,621 I went to the arena, did my regular routine warming up, 308 00:19:55,205 --> 00:19:58,291 and I was just, like, blind. I couldn't see. 309 00:19:58,792 --> 00:20:00,627 Game seven... Let's go! 310 00:20:00,710 --> 00:20:03,421 - You know what time it is. - Go 110%. 311 00:20:03,505 --> 00:20:04,565 Know what time it is. 312 00:20:04,589 --> 00:20:06,049 We got Scottie and BJ? 313 00:20:08,927 --> 00:20:12,055 - Yeah. - You know we gotta go. 314 00:20:12,139 --> 00:20:14,391 - This is it. - Let's go. 315 00:20:14,474 --> 00:20:15,600 All in. 316 00:20:15,684 --> 00:20:17,018 - All out. - No doubt. 317 00:20:17,102 --> 00:20:19,688 We worked all season for this, guys. Let's play hard. 318 00:20:19,771 --> 00:20:21,064 Leave it all on the floor. 319 00:20:28,363 --> 00:20:30,657 Game seven from the Palace. 320 00:20:34,327 --> 00:20:35,412 Piston ball. 321 00:20:37,831 --> 00:20:40,458 As the game started, I couldn't focus. 322 00:20:41,209 --> 00:20:44,629 Everything was blurry, I was seeing double, black, and I just... 323 00:20:44,713 --> 00:20:46,715 I couldn't get my eyesight. 324 00:20:47,299 --> 00:20:49,759 Pippen is one and five in the field. 325 00:20:50,385 --> 00:20:51,386 One and six. 326 00:20:53,889 --> 00:20:56,308 I told 'em, "I can't see," 327 00:20:57,225 --> 00:20:59,144 and I was taken out of the game. 328 00:21:02,772 --> 00:21:04,649 He said he had a migraine. I don't... 329 00:21:04,733 --> 00:21:07,068 I can't argue the point that he had a migraine. 330 00:21:07,152 --> 00:21:10,906 It was just one of those things that, you know, it was so unfortunate. 331 00:21:10,989 --> 00:21:12,115 When you can't see, 332 00:21:12,199 --> 00:21:15,243 you're seeing double, and want to vomit, 333 00:21:15,327 --> 00:21:17,787 and you gotta play against Dennis Rodman? 334 00:21:28,465 --> 00:21:31,551 Pippen passes inside, Laimbeer knocks it away. 335 00:21:31,635 --> 00:21:35,180 4:10 to go. Here's Isiah. 336 00:21:36,765 --> 00:21:39,935 The players on the Bulls are playing from desperation. 337 00:21:40,018 --> 00:21:42,354 Guys are trying to do more than they're capable of doing, 338 00:21:42,437 --> 00:21:44,517 and that includes Michael Jordan. 339 00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:50,987 The lead is 20. 340 00:21:51,071 --> 00:21:54,991 The Detroit Pistons will meet the Portland Trail Blazers 341 00:21:55,075 --> 00:21:59,412 in a best of seven, beginning Tuesday night on CBS. 342 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,464 Michael Jordan had 31, and he's with Pat O'Brien. 343 00:22:10,090 --> 00:22:13,426 Mike... Michael Jordan here, in the midst of the celebration. 344 00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:15,470 What are you saying to the other players? 345 00:22:15,553 --> 00:22:19,766 All you can do is wish them good luck. We fought hard. They were the better team. 346 00:22:19,849 --> 00:22:21,434 We wanna be where they are. 347 00:22:21,518 --> 00:22:24,229 We still gotta wait our turn, and try to improve our team. 348 00:22:24,312 --> 00:22:26,314 They were the better team and played better today. 349 00:22:29,776 --> 00:22:32,862 We were sitting in the locker room after the game, 350 00:22:33,488 --> 00:22:34,864 and nothing was said. 351 00:22:35,699 --> 00:22:38,034 Everyone just sat there for a moment. 352 00:22:39,828 --> 00:22:43,290 We had a chance to beat 'em. We just didn't respond. 353 00:22:43,373 --> 00:22:46,209 We got to that hill, we almost looked over the hill. 354 00:22:47,460 --> 00:22:50,797 I was devastated. I was absolutely devastated. 355 00:22:52,132 --> 00:22:54,676 I cried on the bus. My father came on and said, 356 00:22:55,593 --> 00:22:58,596 "Look, it's just one game. Bounce back, come back next year." 357 00:23:03,018 --> 00:23:05,687 I remember losing to the Pistons. 358 00:23:05,770 --> 00:23:06,770 Damn Pistons. 359 00:23:07,397 --> 00:23:08,398 Um... 360 00:23:09,024 --> 00:23:11,568 That shit hurt. 361 00:23:11,651 --> 00:23:13,932 You couldn't deny that they were a great team. 362 00:23:14,863 --> 00:23:17,240 We had to either change something about ourself, 363 00:23:17,782 --> 00:23:19,284 or we weren't gonna beat them. 364 00:23:19,367 --> 00:23:20,869 Can't touch this! 365 00:23:20,952 --> 00:23:24,205 - Congratulations! - Thanks, Pat! 366 00:23:24,289 --> 00:23:25,415 After that game, 367 00:23:26,458 --> 00:23:28,293 instead of us all going on vacation, 368 00:23:28,376 --> 00:23:30,378 we all showed up and we started working out. 369 00:23:33,423 --> 00:23:37,135 Everybody, starting with Michael, changed. 370 00:23:37,218 --> 00:23:39,804 Before the Pistons, Michael didn't weight train. 371 00:23:39,888 --> 00:23:42,015 He didn't go in much for strength training. 372 00:23:42,098 --> 00:23:44,392 After the Pistons beat the shit out of him, 373 00:23:44,476 --> 00:23:47,228 he finally decided, "I gotta put some muscle on." 374 00:23:47,312 --> 00:23:50,482 I was getting brutally beaten up. 375 00:23:51,024 --> 00:23:53,735 And I want to administer pain. 376 00:23:54,486 --> 00:23:56,696 I wanted to start fighting back. 377 00:23:57,405 --> 00:23:59,282 It's difficult to add muscle 378 00:23:59,366 --> 00:24:01,910 for an athlete that's constantly burning calories, 379 00:24:01,993 --> 00:24:03,661 running up and down all the time. 380 00:24:04,996 --> 00:24:06,790 We started at 200. 381 00:24:06,873 --> 00:24:09,376 We added five pounds 382 00:24:09,459 --> 00:24:12,962 until he got to 215. 383 00:24:18,843 --> 00:24:21,054 When did you decide to build it? 384 00:24:21,137 --> 00:24:25,100 I put it in just to get myself physically strong enough to go against Detroit. 385 00:24:25,934 --> 00:24:27,769 I was a slim and skinny kid. 386 00:24:27,852 --> 00:24:30,438 But now, after I put on a couple pounds, 387 00:24:30,522 --> 00:24:32,649 I can throw my weight around a little more. 388 00:24:33,066 --> 00:24:35,610 I would give him a certain amount of reps to do. 389 00:24:35,693 --> 00:24:37,445 He would never stop at that number. 390 00:24:37,529 --> 00:24:40,240 If I asked for six, I know he was gonna do 12. 391 00:24:42,826 --> 00:24:44,786 He got to the point where he was like, 392 00:24:44,869 --> 00:24:47,956 "Instead of them dishing it to me, 393 00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:49,874 I'm gonna dish it back to them." 394 00:24:52,335 --> 00:24:55,547 One of the criticisms has been that Jordan is a great player, 395 00:24:55,630 --> 00:24:58,258 but he can't lead his teammates to a championship. 396 00:24:58,341 --> 00:25:00,427 He can't make them better players. 397 00:25:00,927 --> 00:25:02,887 You were known at that time 398 00:25:02,971 --> 00:25:05,098 as the guy who was a spectacular performer, 399 00:25:05,181 --> 00:25:08,143 but not the winner that Magic and Larry were. 400 00:25:08,810 --> 00:25:09,936 Which ate at me. 401 00:25:10,645 --> 00:25:11,980 It did. It did. 402 00:25:14,065 --> 00:25:18,027 My energy started to gear towards my teammates, 403 00:25:18,111 --> 00:25:20,864 and pushing them to excel. 404 00:25:20,947 --> 00:25:23,491 Michael forced the hand of a lot of the players 405 00:25:23,575 --> 00:25:27,579 to really dedicate themselves to off-season training. 406 00:25:27,662 --> 00:25:31,082 "Okay, we're gonna spend the summer dedicated to this proposition, 407 00:25:31,166 --> 00:25:34,836 that we're not gonna be runners-up. We're gonna be champions." 408 00:25:35,712 --> 00:25:37,088 Michael was on us. 409 00:25:37,922 --> 00:25:39,215 No mistakes allowed. 410 00:25:40,008 --> 00:25:42,802 Man, I see a screaming devil. 411 00:25:42,886 --> 00:25:44,637 You make a mistake, 412 00:25:44,721 --> 00:25:47,849 he's gonna scream at you, he's gonna belittle you. 413 00:25:48,558 --> 00:25:51,227 He demands almost perfection. 414 00:25:51,311 --> 00:25:56,941 Man, when you see your leader working extremely hard in practice, 415 00:25:58,109 --> 00:26:02,489 you feel like, "Oh, man, if I don't give it my all, I shouldn't be here." 416 00:26:02,572 --> 00:26:06,326 He taught me how to stay in the gym. 417 00:26:06,409 --> 00:26:11,498 And he spent a lot of time starting to build the confidence that I needed. 418 00:26:11,581 --> 00:26:13,875 Pippen became my focal point. 419 00:26:13,958 --> 00:26:15,585 More than any other player, 420 00:26:15,668 --> 00:26:18,129 Scottie benefited from playing with Michael Jordan... 421 00:26:19,297 --> 00:26:23,218 because Scottie had this raw athletic ability. 422 00:26:23,301 --> 00:26:25,220 Two-hand dunk by Pippen! 423 00:26:25,303 --> 00:26:28,515 What he didn't have was what Michael brought every day, 424 00:26:28,598 --> 00:26:32,644 which was the drive to be the very best, every single day. 425 00:26:33,228 --> 00:26:35,355 The mental focus of the game. 426 00:26:36,731 --> 00:26:39,609 Dumars, see I gotta help, I gotta give him a bump... 427 00:26:39,692 --> 00:26:43,196 So I'm gonna be a step slow. I'll go to yours. 428 00:26:43,905 --> 00:26:45,740 The thing about Pip is, you know, 429 00:26:45,823 --> 00:26:48,493 you stand next to him, you make him stronger. 430 00:26:49,744 --> 00:26:53,748 All the Detroit times when Rodman wanted to pick on him, 431 00:26:54,332 --> 00:26:56,876 he needed someone there to stand there and say, 432 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,545 "I'll fight with you, just fight." 433 00:26:59,671 --> 00:27:04,968 Scottie and I bonded because he felt, okay, he has someone that he can count on. 434 00:27:05,468 --> 00:27:08,888 And I'm looking at, "Okay, I got someone who I can actually count on." 435 00:27:09,389 --> 00:27:11,349 And then Horace came right behind that. 436 00:27:12,016 --> 00:27:14,894 During the time that the Pistons reigned over us, 437 00:27:15,603 --> 00:27:17,522 every time they'd do something to us, 438 00:27:17,605 --> 00:27:20,650 we would complain to the referee or try to go back at them. 439 00:27:21,943 --> 00:27:23,945 Horace used to get beaten up. 440 00:27:24,529 --> 00:27:27,073 He got Grant with an elbow in the side... 441 00:27:27,156 --> 00:27:30,618 And he would come back whining. And I'd say, "Don't fucking whine. 442 00:27:30,702 --> 00:27:33,955 Don't let 'em see you whine. That's when they know they got you." 443 00:27:34,038 --> 00:27:37,667 With them being more mentally dominant than we were, 444 00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:42,088 they knew, soon as we start complaining, they had us. And they did. 445 00:27:42,171 --> 00:27:45,383 Grant has got to realize this game is not over. 446 00:27:45,466 --> 00:27:48,469 You can't give the world champions anything. 447 00:27:49,137 --> 00:27:51,764 Just be strong. We gonna beat these bullies. 448 00:27:52,557 --> 00:27:53,683 In '91, 449 00:27:53,766 --> 00:27:56,436 the Bulls were determined to be the tougher team. 450 00:27:57,020 --> 00:28:01,858 The pain of losing to Detroit, again, the year before, 451 00:28:02,442 --> 00:28:07,405 brought a fury into that season that they had not had. 452 00:28:07,488 --> 00:28:09,490 Jordan knocks the ball out of bounds. 453 00:28:09,574 --> 00:28:11,534 No, he didn't! He saved it and played... 454 00:28:11,618 --> 00:28:14,454 What a spectacular defensive play by Jordan! 455 00:28:14,537 --> 00:28:15,872 A pass stolen by Jordan... 456 00:28:15,955 --> 00:28:20,668 Being around Michael every day like that, it just brought it out of us. 457 00:28:21,169 --> 00:28:24,714 Scottie evolved, Horace evolved, I evolved. 458 00:28:25,298 --> 00:28:26,924 It was a great feeling. 459 00:28:27,008 --> 00:28:30,762 We had matured in a lot of ways, physically, mentally. 460 00:28:30,845 --> 00:28:33,973 Jordan dribbles out, a hook pass to Pippen for the dunk. 461 00:28:34,057 --> 00:28:37,644 It was time for us to become the top team in the game. 462 00:28:47,528 --> 00:28:53,201 And now, the starting lineup for your Chicago Bulls... 463 00:28:56,245 --> 00:28:58,623 Everybody in Chicago hated the Pistons. 464 00:28:59,123 --> 00:29:00,333 This was personal. 465 00:29:01,125 --> 00:29:03,294 Anybody says it wasn't personal, it was personal. 466 00:29:04,545 --> 00:29:07,674 Game one of the best of seven. 467 00:29:07,757 --> 00:29:11,302 I didn't wanna deal with my relatives in Detroit during that time. 468 00:29:11,386 --> 00:29:13,971 I didn't wanna go stay with them. My first cousins, 469 00:29:14,055 --> 00:29:17,725 "Yeah, whatever. We don't like you right now." They didn't like us. 470 00:29:17,809 --> 00:29:21,145 The opening tip. Game one. 471 00:29:21,229 --> 00:29:24,482 Our character was challenged the last two years and we failed. 472 00:29:24,565 --> 00:29:26,234 But that third year, 473 00:29:27,485 --> 00:29:29,529 we put them in our rearview mirror. 474 00:29:29,612 --> 00:29:30,905 Bill Laimbeer. 475 00:29:30,988 --> 00:29:32,865 Jordan with the steal. 476 00:29:33,449 --> 00:29:34,784 Jordan! 477 00:29:34,867 --> 00:29:36,467 He'll go to the foul line. 478 00:29:36,494 --> 00:29:39,288 Jordan is not gonna back down from anyone right now. 479 00:29:39,372 --> 00:29:42,417 He's the leader and understands what to expect during the series. 480 00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:44,711 He's gonna hold his ground, make a statement. 481 00:29:50,007 --> 00:29:52,760 I thought we were a good enough team 482 00:29:52,844 --> 00:29:55,263 to at least make the series 483 00:29:55,346 --> 00:29:57,265 a little bit more competitive. 484 00:29:57,348 --> 00:29:58,224 And we didn't. 485 00:29:58,307 --> 00:30:01,686 Pippen against Vinnie up the right side to the baseline. 486 00:30:01,769 --> 00:30:03,855 Fills it up, and a foul! 487 00:30:10,069 --> 00:30:13,406 All right, Ahmad, game four of the best of seven. 488 00:30:14,782 --> 00:30:17,452 Nice fake by Jordan... Goes to the scoop! 489 00:30:19,954 --> 00:30:21,205 Pippen... 490 00:30:21,289 --> 00:30:24,667 Oh! Beautiful move by... Scottie Pippen off to a fast start. 491 00:30:24,751 --> 00:30:26,210 He has ten points. 492 00:30:28,379 --> 00:30:30,019 You know something's coming. 493 00:30:30,882 --> 00:30:32,383 This team is desperate. 494 00:30:32,467 --> 00:30:35,511 They've done everything they can. Now, they're really desperate. 495 00:30:36,763 --> 00:30:39,182 Armstrong and Craig Hodges in the back court. 496 00:30:39,265 --> 00:30:42,018 Cliff Levingston, Bill Cartwright and Scottie Pippen up for... 497 00:30:42,101 --> 00:30:44,979 A beautiful back court pass for Pippen! And he is walloped. 498 00:30:45,062 --> 00:30:46,856 And that will be a flagrant foul. 499 00:30:46,939 --> 00:30:50,318 And it's getting very, very tough out there. 500 00:30:51,068 --> 00:30:53,196 Dennis Rodman pushed Scottie, 501 00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:57,825 and could have injured him pretty severely. 502 00:30:57,909 --> 00:31:01,954 It was clearly, um, a flagrant foul. 503 00:31:02,038 --> 00:31:05,666 That's a clear-cut cheap shot, no question. Clear cut. 504 00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:07,877 Scottie Pippen was racked up. 505 00:31:10,171 --> 00:31:13,257 When Pippen didn't respond to that abuse... 506 00:31:13,841 --> 00:31:15,968 there was nothing they could do to beat us then. 507 00:31:20,848 --> 00:31:24,310 Scottie was unshakable, didn't even want a Band-Aid. 508 00:31:24,393 --> 00:31:26,312 When we saw that, it was over. 509 00:31:26,395 --> 00:31:29,106 You know, it was like, "Okay, it's a foul. 510 00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:32,735 Um, let's go ahead and finish kicking their ass and you know..." 511 00:31:32,819 --> 00:31:34,654 And put 'em out of their misery. 512 00:31:34,737 --> 00:31:37,114 Jordan rebounds. He has Pippen. 513 00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:44,247 The Chicago Bulls about to put the Pistons away in four... 514 00:31:44,997 --> 00:31:47,708 And Pippen able to feed it off to Jordan! 515 00:31:48,334 --> 00:31:50,419 Chuck is now clearing the bench. 516 00:31:50,503 --> 00:31:53,381 Miller Genuine Draft player of the game, 517 00:31:53,464 --> 00:31:55,758 Scottie Pippen of the Chicago Bulls. 518 00:31:55,842 --> 00:32:00,805 We were tasting victory over a team that just kicked your butt 519 00:32:00,888 --> 00:32:02,849 for the last three or four years. 520 00:32:02,932 --> 00:32:09,355 I mean, the gratification... You truly cannot put it into words. 521 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,900 It is all over. 522 00:32:15,736 --> 00:32:20,116 That was the only time that I think I'd ever been swept, um... 523 00:32:20,658 --> 00:32:24,370 in a series. I was normally the one doing the sweeping. 524 00:32:27,373 --> 00:32:30,918 Their time had arrived and ours was over. 525 00:32:32,795 --> 00:32:36,257 As we're coming out of the game, Laimbeer said, "You know... 526 00:32:37,133 --> 00:32:38,634 we're not shaking their hands. 527 00:32:39,468 --> 00:32:40,887 This is how we're leaving." 528 00:32:41,846 --> 00:32:44,807 The Pistons wasting no time in getting outta here, 529 00:32:44,891 --> 00:32:46,767 as they are headed off... 530 00:32:46,851 --> 00:32:49,353 We didn't shake hands. We just walked off the court. 531 00:32:49,437 --> 00:32:51,689 "Fuck you guys. Thank you for kicking our ass." 532 00:32:51,772 --> 00:32:55,276 They left the bench although there's seven seconds remaining. 533 00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:56,944 The Pistons just left. 534 00:32:57,570 --> 00:32:59,405 I think it was difficult for them 535 00:32:59,488 --> 00:33:01,741 because they were two-time champions. 536 00:33:01,824 --> 00:33:05,202 But, you know, there certainly has to be some respect. 537 00:33:06,704 --> 00:33:07,914 Straight up bitches. 538 00:33:08,456 --> 00:33:10,625 That's what they walked off like. 539 00:33:12,293 --> 00:33:14,962 "Yeah, we just kicked your ass. Go ahead and go." 540 00:33:15,546 --> 00:33:18,174 Detroit had a similar thing with Boston 541 00:33:18,257 --> 00:33:19,592 that we had with them. 542 00:33:19,675 --> 00:33:22,762 They had to overcome Boston, and they did. I still remember... 543 00:33:23,346 --> 00:33:25,473 it was the first time that, uh... 544 00:33:25,556 --> 00:33:26,849 Detroit beat them, 545 00:33:26,933 --> 00:33:29,685 and I can see Kevin McHale coming out to half court 546 00:33:29,769 --> 00:33:31,604 and shaking hands, things like that. 547 00:33:33,272 --> 00:33:34,272 No. 548 00:33:34,774 --> 00:33:37,026 Adrian Dantley was shooting a free throw 549 00:33:38,027 --> 00:33:42,198 and the Boston Celtics were walking off during the game. 550 00:33:42,782 --> 00:33:45,117 And I grab McHale, 551 00:33:46,619 --> 00:33:50,748 and then he stopped as he was walking off the floor. 552 00:33:51,332 --> 00:33:56,504 That's how they left the floor. And to us, that was okay. 553 00:33:57,630 --> 00:33:59,256 Knowing what we know now, 554 00:33:59,924 --> 00:34:03,636 and the aftermath of what took place, 555 00:34:04,220 --> 00:34:05,554 I think we would have stopped 556 00:34:05,638 --> 00:34:08,099 and said, "Hey, congratulate..." like they do now. 557 00:34:08,182 --> 00:34:11,143 "Hey, congratulate..."Love ya, man!" "Hey, congratulations..." 558 00:34:11,227 --> 00:34:13,729 We would have did it. Of course, we would have done it. 559 00:34:14,689 --> 00:34:19,652 But during that period of time, that's just not how it was passed. 560 00:34:20,277 --> 00:34:22,905 When you lost, you left the floor. That was it. 561 00:34:23,531 --> 00:34:27,493 This is Isiah, talking about the walk-off. 562 00:34:28,661 --> 00:34:30,287 Well, I know it's all bullshit. 563 00:34:31,122 --> 00:34:34,083 Whatever he says now, you know it wasn't his true actions then. 564 00:34:34,166 --> 00:34:36,210 He's had time enough to think about it. 565 00:34:36,293 --> 00:34:39,839 Or the reaction of the public that's changed his perspective of it. 566 00:34:41,424 --> 00:34:43,718 You can show me anything you want. 567 00:34:43,801 --> 00:34:46,345 There's no way you can convince me he wasn't an asshole. 568 00:34:48,848 --> 00:34:50,558 Knowing what we know now, 569 00:34:51,267 --> 00:34:55,062 and the aftermath of what took place... 570 00:34:55,146 --> 00:35:00,484 But during that period of time, that's just not how it was passed. 571 00:35:01,318 --> 00:35:02,403 It just... Just wasn't. 572 00:35:02,486 --> 00:35:04,989 You can go back and look at any of those old games, 573 00:35:05,072 --> 00:35:07,658 or whatever, when you lost, you left the floor. 574 00:35:08,909 --> 00:35:14,040 All you gotta do is you go back to us losing in game seven. 575 00:35:14,915 --> 00:35:16,250 I shook everybody hand. 576 00:35:17,209 --> 00:35:18,544 Two years in a row. 577 00:35:18,627 --> 00:35:21,172 We shook their hands when they beat us. 578 00:35:21,255 --> 00:35:25,718 There's a certain respect to the game that we paid to them. 579 00:35:26,886 --> 00:35:29,847 That's sportsmanship, no matter how much it hurts. 580 00:35:30,473 --> 00:35:32,349 And believe me, it fucking hurt. 581 00:35:32,433 --> 00:35:34,477 But they didn't have to shake our hands. 582 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,437 We knew we whooped their ass already. 583 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,814 We'd gotten past them and that was the most... 584 00:35:38,898 --> 00:35:42,443 To me, that was better than, in some ways, winning a championship. 585 00:35:51,243 --> 00:35:55,081 Sweep! Sweep! Sweep! Sweep! Sweep! Sweep! 586 00:36:28,072 --> 00:36:32,159 Go, Jerry! Go, Jerry! Go, Jerry! 587 00:36:39,625 --> 00:36:42,294 Go sit down, Jerry! 588 00:37:25,254 --> 00:37:26,088 In sports, 589 00:37:26,172 --> 00:37:29,258 the stage is set for the Air-Magic show in the NBA Finals. 590 00:37:29,341 --> 00:37:32,553 Starting Sunday, it'll be Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls 591 00:37:32,636 --> 00:37:35,097 against Magic Johnson and the LA Lakers. 592 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,102 When you're a competitor, you want to play against the best. 593 00:37:40,186 --> 00:37:41,645 I played against Larry, 594 00:37:41,729 --> 00:37:43,814 and I've always wanted to play against Michael. 595 00:37:45,357 --> 00:37:47,735 Up until that point, there was a stigma that... 596 00:37:47,818 --> 00:37:51,655 "Michael Jordan only wins scoring titles, never championships." 597 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,450 That was my chance 598 00:37:54,533 --> 00:37:58,495 to get in the category of Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. 599 00:37:59,205 --> 00:38:01,832 I guess this is something that I've been waiting for. 600 00:38:02,416 --> 00:38:05,711 It's the team that's won it the most, in the time I've been in the league... 601 00:38:05,794 --> 00:38:08,923 Even though they may have that experience, we have that hunger. 602 00:38:09,548 --> 00:38:11,175 The NBA is a league of stars, 603 00:38:11,258 --> 00:38:14,803 and none shine brighter than Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan. 604 00:38:14,887 --> 00:38:17,514 While much has been said about their respective teams, 605 00:38:17,598 --> 00:38:20,726 nothing has been more anticipated than their individual match-up. 606 00:38:26,148 --> 00:38:28,442 We're set for the start of game one. 607 00:38:28,525 --> 00:38:31,237 The opening tip controlled by the LA Lakers, 608 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,574 as Magic Johnson moves across, against Michael Jordan. 609 00:38:36,659 --> 00:38:38,953 You know, we were nervous. It's our first time, 610 00:38:39,036 --> 00:38:40,371 and we didn't even play well. 611 00:38:40,454 --> 00:38:42,581 And now, Magic got it out for Worthy... 612 00:38:42,665 --> 00:38:44,458 What a play! Magic Johnson... 613 00:38:44,541 --> 00:38:46,835 Sam Perkins hits a three at the end. 614 00:38:46,919 --> 00:38:47,753 He's got it! 615 00:38:47,836 --> 00:38:49,588 And the Bulls lose game one. 616 00:38:50,089 --> 00:38:53,050 Everybody, including me, goes, "Lakers are gonna win this thing." 617 00:38:53,133 --> 00:38:56,679 They beat us on our home court, but in our minds, 618 00:38:57,263 --> 00:38:59,848 we had a chance to beat them, and we didn't even play good. 619 00:38:59,932 --> 00:39:01,725 We were looking forward to game two. 620 00:39:01,809 --> 00:39:06,397 We are set for game two of the NBA Finals. 621 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,941 So, game two, Jordan goes nuts. 622 00:39:09,024 --> 00:39:10,276 Over Scott. 623 00:39:11,068 --> 00:39:12,903 Michael Jordan on fire. 624 00:39:12,987 --> 00:39:17,074 He's got it. Twelve straight field goals for Michael Jordan! 625 00:39:17,783 --> 00:39:20,536 Look away, to Levingston... Jordan... 626 00:39:21,745 --> 00:39:26,166 Oh! A spectacular move by Michael Jordan! 627 00:39:26,250 --> 00:39:30,045 That's 13 consecutive field goals! 628 00:39:36,802 --> 00:39:39,197 The change of putting Pippen on Magic Johnson 629 00:39:39,221 --> 00:39:40,431 rather than Michael Jordan... 630 00:39:40,514 --> 00:39:43,058 Johnson's the greatest point guard I've ever seen, 631 00:39:43,142 --> 00:39:46,061 and Scottie Pippen was picking Magic Johnson up full court. 632 00:39:47,062 --> 00:39:48,939 Nobody did that. 633 00:39:49,898 --> 00:39:53,694 Scottie accepted that challenge and I knew what Scottie was gonna do. 634 00:39:53,777 --> 00:39:55,612 I see it in practice all the time. 635 00:39:55,696 --> 00:39:58,324 He gets up in your face and he harasses you and... 636 00:39:58,407 --> 00:39:59,950 Pip never let him get started. 637 00:40:04,455 --> 00:40:06,582 The crowd reacts to Scottie Pippen 638 00:40:06,665 --> 00:40:10,210 who did a tremendous job in defending against Magic... 639 00:40:10,294 --> 00:40:13,839 Once we did that in game two, we never looked back. 640 00:40:14,423 --> 00:40:16,508 Jordan around Divac. 641 00:40:17,509 --> 00:40:23,515 Chicago Bulls take a 2-1 lead in the best of seven. 642 00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:26,435 And Teagle now one for six, and it leads to this! 643 00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:32,441 The Chicago Bulls come away with a resounding victory. 644 00:40:33,859 --> 00:40:36,236 In command virtually all the way. 645 00:40:38,655 --> 00:40:42,451 And it's this simple, the Lakers have to win three in a row. 646 00:40:42,534 --> 00:40:44,328 Game five, moments away. 647 00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:46,830 Hello, I'm Bob Costas. 648 00:40:46,914 --> 00:40:48,916 This is the Larry O'Brien Trophy. 649 00:40:48,999 --> 00:40:51,418 All indications are that by evening's end, 650 00:40:51,502 --> 00:40:53,629 it'll be in the possession of the Chicago Bulls. 651 00:40:56,590 --> 00:41:01,637 Game five was a great back-and-forth, back-and-forth game. 652 00:41:02,262 --> 00:41:04,181 Magic fires for Smith... 653 00:41:04,264 --> 00:41:05,264 Good recovery... 654 00:41:05,307 --> 00:41:06,307 It counts! 655 00:41:07,017 --> 00:41:09,186 Lakers with a one-point lead. 656 00:41:09,269 --> 00:41:11,355 Jordan with a gorgeous move. 657 00:41:11,438 --> 00:41:12,898 The Bulls lead it by three. 658 00:41:12,981 --> 00:41:14,191 Magic... 659 00:41:14,817 --> 00:41:16,151 Drops it off... 660 00:41:16,235 --> 00:41:21,281 After three, the Bulls and the Lakers are tied at 80. 661 00:41:24,243 --> 00:41:27,037 So, the fourth quarter, it's a precarious lead. 662 00:41:27,121 --> 00:41:31,417 So, during a timeout, Phil asks Michael, 663 00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:33,669 "MJ, who's open?" And he goes, "Paxson." 664 00:41:33,752 --> 00:41:35,337 He goes, "Then get him the ball." 665 00:41:35,421 --> 00:41:36,922 You don't have to shoot that shot. 666 00:41:37,005 --> 00:41:38,507 Run around to the point. 667 00:41:38,590 --> 00:41:40,134 John's open right there. 668 00:41:40,217 --> 00:41:41,760 You can still create. 669 00:41:41,844 --> 00:41:42,761 All right? 670 00:41:42,845 --> 00:41:44,680 He's hitting shots. 671 00:41:44,763 --> 00:41:48,976 Phil said, you know, forcefully, "Paxson is open, get him the ball." 672 00:41:49,059 --> 00:41:50,894 And I started looking for Paxson. 673 00:41:50,978 --> 00:41:55,441 Everybody in the world's expecting Jordan to force something through a double team. 674 00:41:56,900 --> 00:41:58,652 He doesn't do it. He draws and dishes. 675 00:41:59,528 --> 00:42:01,238 Paxson open again... 676 00:42:02,030 --> 00:42:05,409 He trusts his teammate to make the shot. 677 00:42:05,492 --> 00:42:09,329 Once Pax hits that first shot, "Oh, okay. Fine. 678 00:42:09,413 --> 00:42:12,082 Let me do this again. Penetrate, find Pax." 679 00:42:12,166 --> 00:42:14,585 And he kept hitting 'em, kept hitting 'em. 680 00:42:14,668 --> 00:42:17,171 Again! Eighteen for Paxson! 681 00:42:17,254 --> 00:42:20,549 That was exactly what Phil was trying to get Michael to understand 682 00:42:20,632 --> 00:42:22,634 and believe in over the couple years, is that, 683 00:42:22,718 --> 00:42:24,511 "These other guys can help you out." 684 00:42:24,595 --> 00:42:27,973 It is a two-point lead for Chicago. 685 00:42:28,056 --> 00:42:29,183 Paxson! 686 00:42:29,266 --> 00:42:32,102 Yes! John Paxson again! 687 00:42:32,728 --> 00:42:38,525 The Chicago Bulls have won their first-ever NBA championship! 688 00:43:06,303 --> 00:43:07,554 You did it the right way. 689 00:43:07,638 --> 00:43:08,931 You did it the right way. 690 00:43:14,436 --> 00:43:15,270 I love you. 691 00:43:15,354 --> 00:43:16,563 - Scottie... - Yes! 692 00:43:23,487 --> 00:43:26,823 When you get to that finish line and you know that you won... 693 00:43:26,907 --> 00:43:29,535 all those emotions that you wrapped up into, 694 00:43:29,618 --> 00:43:30,869 you can just let go. 695 00:43:30,953 --> 00:43:32,287 I'm so happy. 696 00:43:35,374 --> 00:43:36,583 Everybody knows... 697 00:43:36,667 --> 00:43:40,921 Has the picture in their mind of when we beat Cleveland on that last shot 698 00:43:41,004 --> 00:43:43,632 and he's punching the air, he's all excited. 699 00:43:43,715 --> 00:43:47,511 That's who we knew, the competitive Michael Jordan. 700 00:43:49,888 --> 00:43:51,807 The win-at-all-costs Michael Jordan. 701 00:43:53,850 --> 00:43:56,061 Sometimes we'd question whether he was human, 702 00:43:56,562 --> 00:43:58,021 whether he had feelings. 703 00:43:59,481 --> 00:44:02,693 A guy that was totally focused on one thing and one thing only. 704 00:44:03,652 --> 00:44:05,696 The only emotion we had ever seen out of him 705 00:44:05,779 --> 00:44:07,239 was anger or frustration. 706 00:44:07,906 --> 00:44:11,243 We were literally stunned to see those emotions. 707 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,329 Seven-year struggle. 708 00:44:14,913 --> 00:44:15,998 Seven-year struggle. 709 00:44:18,792 --> 00:44:21,503 And when they beat us, well, 710 00:44:21,587 --> 00:44:26,008 we met in between both locker rooms, and he put his arms... 711 00:44:26,592 --> 00:44:27,593 and started crying. 712 00:44:27,676 --> 00:44:31,179 He was so happy that he had won, that he busted through. 713 00:44:31,263 --> 00:44:35,142 That was a special moment for him and myself. 714 00:44:35,892 --> 00:44:37,436 It's a beautiful feeling. 715 00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:39,479 If you're gonna lose, you lose to them. 716 00:44:39,563 --> 00:44:41,315 I'm going to lose to Michael. 717 00:44:41,398 --> 00:44:43,859 And that... That's how... how it should be. 718 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,113 At last, I fit somewhere in 719 00:44:48,196 --> 00:44:50,949 the category of Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. 720 00:45:22,189 --> 00:45:23,649 Shit! C'mon, drop my money down. 721 00:45:23,732 --> 00:45:25,585 You said I can't show nobody what I give you. 722 00:45:25,609 --> 00:45:28,153 No. We're here. Don't show it to anybody. Let me show it. 723 00:45:29,696 --> 00:45:30,696 Yeah. 724 00:45:31,448 --> 00:45:32,949 Denver. Denver. 725 00:45:35,535 --> 00:45:37,329 How 'bout them Broncos? 726 00:45:38,789 --> 00:45:40,999 Hey! Hey! Cheesehead! 727 00:45:42,668 --> 00:45:45,962 Security. Security. 728 00:45:48,256 --> 00:45:50,050 This man never gets sleep. 729 00:45:50,133 --> 00:45:53,178 - Dennis Rodman... Junior. - Come on. 730 00:45:53,261 --> 00:45:54,971 Hey, hey, don't say it on camera. 731 00:45:55,055 --> 00:45:57,849 He never gets his sleep. Single man. Thinks he can hang out all night. 732 00:45:57,933 --> 00:45:59,935 Hey, hey, don't put that on tape. 733 00:46:00,644 --> 00:46:02,062 Don't put that on... Hey, M. 734 00:46:02,145 --> 00:46:03,730 - If he committed to one girl... - M... 735 00:46:03,814 --> 00:46:05,065 - M, come on. - It's a lie. 736 00:46:05,148 --> 00:46:06,817 It's a lie, he's out every night. 737 00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:08,902 Do not put this on tape right here. 738 00:46:08,985 --> 00:46:11,363 - Why not? Get some sleep, man! - That's messed up. 739 00:46:11,446 --> 00:46:12,781 I get a whole lot of sleep. 740 00:46:12,864 --> 00:46:15,158 - You've got a hangover this morning. - No, I... M. 741 00:46:15,242 --> 00:46:17,452 My mom and dad are gonna watch this, M. 742 00:46:17,536 --> 00:46:19,121 Mom and dad, he's an alcoholic. 743 00:46:19,204 --> 00:46:20,038 Hey. 744 00:46:22,499 --> 00:46:26,294 Hey, hey, Phil, he can't work for the media and be on this plane. 745 00:46:26,378 --> 00:46:29,589 Right here, see him? The highest-paid media guy in the world. 746 00:46:30,590 --> 00:46:32,342 Come on, Ahmad makes more than me. 747 00:46:32,426 --> 00:46:36,596 No. He wishes, though. He wishes he does. Believe me. 748 00:46:40,183 --> 00:46:41,476 The FC finally won. 749 00:46:42,185 --> 00:46:45,564 It's actually kind of like a sign of times are changing. 750 00:46:45,647 --> 00:46:47,524 Might be changing the NBA, too. 751 00:46:53,405 --> 00:46:55,125 While the Bulls were on the road, 752 00:46:55,198 --> 00:46:57,534 their GM took his shot back home. 753 00:46:57,617 --> 00:47:01,246 Jerry Krause again made his plans for next season very clear. 754 00:47:01,329 --> 00:47:04,291 Coach Jackson won't be back. And with Michael Jordan on record 755 00:47:04,374 --> 00:47:06,668 as saying he won't play for anyone other than Jackson, 756 00:47:06,752 --> 00:47:08,503 Krause told the Chicago Tribune, 757 00:47:08,587 --> 00:47:12,674 "If Michael chooses to leave because there is another coach here, 758 00:47:12,758 --> 00:47:14,301 then it's his choice, not ours. 759 00:47:14,384 --> 00:47:15,886 We would love to have Michael back. 760 00:47:15,969 --> 00:47:18,180 But Michael is going to have to play for someone else. 761 00:47:18,263 --> 00:47:20,015 It isn't going to be Phil." 762 00:47:20,724 --> 00:47:22,684 If Phil's not back, then certainly I'm not back. 763 00:47:22,768 --> 00:47:25,979 So, I mean, you know, it doesn't leave me with any other choices, 764 00:47:26,062 --> 00:47:27,522 but not to play next year. 765 00:47:27,606 --> 00:47:31,026 There's no room at all for you coming back under any other circumstances? 766 00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:32,402 No. None. None at all. 767 00:47:37,407 --> 00:47:39,087 The Bulls were dominating the east. 768 00:47:39,117 --> 00:47:40,637 The east didn't seem to be a question. 769 00:47:40,702 --> 00:47:42,037 The question was out west 770 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,457 with the team that they had met in the finals the year before, Utah. 771 00:47:47,167 --> 00:47:50,378 Now, keep in mind, this was probably a finals preview. 772 00:47:52,047 --> 00:47:54,090 This is the litmus test. 773 00:47:56,009 --> 00:47:58,136 Good evening. Welcome to the Delta Center. 774 00:47:58,220 --> 00:48:00,222 The thing that's really surprising 775 00:48:00,305 --> 00:48:03,683 is the timing of that story by Jerry Krause. 776 00:48:03,767 --> 00:48:07,938 Yeah, Dick, unfortunately, it's very cold. It's sad. 777 00:48:08,021 --> 00:48:09,856 And if you really think about this, 778 00:48:09,940 --> 00:48:13,026 performance and loyalty, by the coaches and players, 779 00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:15,403 are being just thrown out the window. 780 00:48:17,447 --> 00:48:20,492 And the Bulls starting out solidly, lead 8-2. 781 00:48:21,451 --> 00:48:24,371 Here's Rodman, after Pippen got the loose ball, 782 00:48:24,454 --> 00:48:27,666 and Jordan hits the open shot! The Bulls are doing it all. 783 00:48:27,749 --> 00:48:29,000 It has been all Bulls... 784 00:48:29,084 --> 00:48:32,587 Great pass from Longley to a cutting Scottie Pippen. 785 00:48:33,380 --> 00:48:36,550 And it's a 47-24 lead. 786 00:48:36,633 --> 00:48:39,094 The Chicago Bulls are running the Jazz wild 787 00:48:39,177 --> 00:48:40,512 on the Jazz home court. 788 00:48:40,595 --> 00:48:42,722 Loose ball, Karl Malone... 789 00:48:42,806 --> 00:48:44,446 Dennis... There it is. 790 00:48:44,474 --> 00:48:46,685 Down goes Malone and Rodman. 791 00:48:46,768 --> 00:48:48,144 A double foul will be called. 792 00:48:48,228 --> 00:48:51,857 You can see that this could ignite something here that we don't need. 793 00:48:51,940 --> 00:48:55,652 The Jazz with a 7-0 run of their own here. 794 00:48:55,735 --> 00:48:57,779 It's an eight-point game, believe it or not. 795 00:48:57,863 --> 00:48:59,739 This is as close as the Jazz have come. 796 00:49:00,407 --> 00:49:02,284 Malone over Pippen, he's got it. 797 00:49:02,367 --> 00:49:04,452 He's got it, he's right. 798 00:49:04,536 --> 00:49:06,830 - He's un... - Yeah. Unstoppable. 799 00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:12,002 Yes! And the Jazz have come back big! 800 00:49:12,085 --> 00:49:16,631 Standing ovation for the Jazz, who had to fight way back in this game. 801 00:49:16,715 --> 00:49:21,803 Utah Jazz ending up sweeping the Chicago Bulls this year, 802 00:49:21,887 --> 00:49:23,722 winning here in Salt Lake City. 803 00:49:24,431 --> 00:49:26,182 But Jerry Krause, the big question is, 804 00:49:26,266 --> 00:49:28,476 "Why now, come out with a statement like this, 805 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,271 at the All-Star break?" It's something for after the season. 806 00:49:31,354 --> 00:49:34,441 I think it's just a bad case of judgment on his part. 807 00:49:34,524 --> 00:49:36,943 This looks like a reality check for everybody. 808 00:49:37,027 --> 00:49:38,862 Is this the end of the Bulls as we know them?