1 00:02:14,092 --> 00:02:15,892 His given name is Benjamin Barnwright, 2 00:02:15,917 --> 00:02:17,870 but everybody calls him Benji. 3 00:02:17,929 --> 00:02:20,223 Came back to town, just like I told you he would. 4 00:02:20,307 --> 00:02:22,726 Benji was home watching TV the night Beverly Jean was killed? 5 00:02:22,809 --> 00:02:24,936 That's what he told us and I believe him. 6 00:02:25,437 --> 00:02:28,106 He let us search his car, no warrant. 7 00:02:28,190 --> 00:02:31,234 And we didn't find a thing except for some of Beverly Jean's hair, 8 00:02:31,318 --> 00:02:33,570 but in the passenger seat, like you'd expect it. 9 00:02:33,654 --> 00:02:36,507 Passenger seat's not the best way to transport a corpse, 10 00:02:36,532 --> 00:02:37,633 I'll give you that. 11 00:02:37,658 --> 00:02:40,202 But you said he was home alone watching TV? 12 00:02:40,285 --> 00:02:42,871 - That's not much of an alibi. - Why? 13 00:02:43,580 --> 00:02:46,124 Isn't that what most people do most nights of the week? 14 00:02:46,208 --> 00:02:48,168 Benjamin is definitely most people. 15 00:02:48,251 --> 00:02:50,131 He's worked the same job ever since high school, 16 00:02:50,155 --> 00:02:51,546 bagging groceries at the A&P. 17 00:02:51,630 --> 00:02:55,008 Works at the A&P? Does he have access to a delivery vehicle? 18 00:02:55,092 --> 00:02:56,927 Nope. Only works the floor. 19 00:03:19,324 --> 00:03:20,700 Is he expecting us? 20 00:03:21,660 --> 00:03:24,121 He's in mourning, I thought it'd be polite to let him know. 21 00:03:24,204 --> 00:03:25,622 We should've brought a six pack. 22 00:03:35,382 --> 00:03:37,008 - Can I get you some coffee? - Sure. 23 00:03:37,092 --> 00:03:38,802 - It's instant. - None for me, thanks. 24 00:03:40,387 --> 00:03:41,387 I'll wait. 25 00:03:43,390 --> 00:03:44,641 Uh... 26 00:03:44,725 --> 00:03:48,103 I got some donuts, too. Half glazed, half cake. 27 00:03:50,522 --> 00:03:52,566 I'd love a donut. Thanks, Benjamin. 28 00:03:53,984 --> 00:03:55,819 Thanks for meeting with us, Mr. Barnwright. 29 00:03:55,902 --> 00:03:56,902 Benjamin. 30 00:03:56,945 --> 00:03:59,614 I'm Bill Tench, this is Holden Ford. We're with the FBI. 31 00:03:59,698 --> 00:04:01,783 He told me you'll be helping with the case. 32 00:04:01,867 --> 00:04:03,660 We're sorry about your girlfriend. 33 00:04:03,744 --> 00:04:05,144 I still can't believe it. 34 00:04:05,328 --> 00:04:07,664 - How long were you with her? - Eighteen months. 35 00:04:07,748 --> 00:04:09,708 So this was pretty serious. 36 00:04:09,791 --> 00:04:11,668 We just got engaged. 37 00:04:11,752 --> 00:04:12,753 Big step. 38 00:04:14,296 --> 00:04:17,424 - I knew she was it when I met her. - How'd you know? 39 00:04:17,507 --> 00:04:20,761 Uh, we saw things the same way. 40 00:04:21,303 --> 00:04:23,346 - And you're how old? - Twenty-six. 41 00:04:24,055 --> 00:04:27,225 You play sports in high school? I'm guessing not the football team. 42 00:04:28,185 --> 00:04:29,978 - Band? Debate? - No. 43 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:31,730 Then what did you do? 44 00:04:32,647 --> 00:04:35,650 Uh, I... nothing. 45 00:04:38,695 --> 00:04:41,740 Well, you're doing good now. Got your own place and everything. 46 00:04:42,532 --> 00:04:44,618 Got this place for Beverly Jean. 47 00:04:44,701 --> 00:04:46,036 She ask you to move? 48 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:49,915 I wanted us to have some privacy. 49 00:04:50,373 --> 00:04:51,708 Where were you before? 50 00:04:52,125 --> 00:04:54,127 A few blocks over on Chestnut. 51 00:04:54,211 --> 00:04:56,338 - With your family? - Uh, with my mom. 52 00:04:56,421 --> 00:04:59,299 It must have been hard on her, seeing you leave home. 53 00:04:59,382 --> 00:05:02,469 I think she was happy to see me move on. 54 00:05:03,887 --> 00:05:07,182 She loved Beverly Jean as much as I did. 55 00:05:07,265 --> 00:05:10,644 Mrs. Barnwright goes to my church, too. First United Methodist. 56 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,146 So you two know each other from church? 57 00:05:13,230 --> 00:05:15,023 Yeah. You and Rose. 58 00:05:15,106 --> 00:05:18,860 Mostly by sight now. I don't go much anymore. 59 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:22,614 Was your mother a disciplinarian? 60 00:05:22,697 --> 00:05:24,241 You mean strict? 61 00:05:24,324 --> 00:05:27,077 Yeah. She crack the whip? 62 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,829 Uh... 63 00:05:28,912 --> 00:05:30,288 She just cried. 64 00:05:30,831 --> 00:05:33,583 Well, I'm sure it was difficult raising two kids without a dad. 65 00:05:33,667 --> 00:05:35,252 Yeah, he split when I was ten. 66 00:05:35,961 --> 00:05:38,880 - What was your father like? - I don't much remember him. 67 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,466 You and Beverly Jean ever fight? 68 00:05:43,009 --> 00:05:44,678 Perfectly normal for a young couple. 69 00:05:46,763 --> 00:05:48,056 Sometimes. 70 00:05:48,723 --> 00:05:49,963 What'd you fight about? 71 00:05:50,433 --> 00:05:52,060 Just stupid stuff. 72 00:05:52,519 --> 00:05:53,812 Like what? 73 00:05:53,895 --> 00:05:55,105 Like, uh... 74 00:05:56,189 --> 00:05:57,607 what movie to go to. 75 00:05:58,525 --> 00:06:00,371 Any nerves around the engagement? 76 00:06:00,396 --> 00:06:01,705 No, sir. 77 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,573 You got this place for her? Did she like it? 78 00:06:06,700 --> 00:06:07,784 She, uh... 79 00:06:09,744 --> 00:06:13,248 She wanted to make it pretty when she moved in. 80 00:06:13,331 --> 00:06:14,571 When was that gonna be? 81 00:06:14,624 --> 00:06:16,376 - After the wedding. - Traditional, huh? 82 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,379 - Yeah. - Was that for your mother? 83 00:06:19,462 --> 00:06:21,715 That was just to keep it proper. 84 00:06:22,382 --> 00:06:24,217 Was she saving herself for marriage? 85 00:06:26,761 --> 00:06:29,097 Well, maybe she didn't want to wait. 86 00:06:30,015 --> 00:06:32,517 Girls like fooling around just as much as boys. 87 00:06:33,727 --> 00:06:35,895 That's okay, Benjamin. 88 00:06:35,979 --> 00:06:37,147 We understand, that's... 89 00:06:38,064 --> 00:06:39,441 That's private. 90 00:06:39,524 --> 00:06:40,775 We'll keep it private. 91 00:06:42,569 --> 00:06:44,237 Uh, well... 92 00:06:45,864 --> 00:06:48,074 Beverly Jean was, uh, my... 93 00:06:49,701 --> 00:06:50,869 first, uh... 94 00:06:51,453 --> 00:06:53,788 Your first sexual experience? 95 00:06:53,872 --> 00:06:54,998 Yeah. 96 00:06:56,708 --> 00:06:57,876 But she was nice. 97 00:06:59,919 --> 00:07:03,173 I don't know what all this has to do with what happened to her... 98 00:07:03,256 --> 00:07:06,384 Listen, Benjamin. We're from a particular unit of the FBI. 99 00:07:06,468 --> 00:07:09,304 We investigate murders when there's a sexual angle. 100 00:07:09,387 --> 00:07:11,932 It may be unpleasant, but it's what we do. 101 00:07:17,938 --> 00:07:19,606 It's awful, what was done to her. 102 00:07:20,982 --> 00:07:22,275 Does he know? 103 00:07:23,902 --> 00:07:25,362 Mark, seriously? 104 00:07:27,489 --> 00:07:30,617 He only knows about the breasts. It was another officer... 105 00:07:32,285 --> 00:07:35,121 - It's hard keeping this quiet. - I want to talk to Mrs. Barnwright. 106 00:07:35,205 --> 00:07:37,540 Should we stop at a pay phone, give her a heads up, too? 107 00:07:37,624 --> 00:07:39,584 - That'd be fair. - What about the tears? 108 00:07:39,668 --> 00:07:41,348 - I didn't buy them. - Think he was faking? 109 00:07:41,378 --> 00:07:44,018 - Seemed a bit much. - Given what he's been through? 110 00:07:44,042 --> 00:07:46,633 - It sure got us out of there. - He's obviously a mama's boy. 111 00:07:46,716 --> 00:07:48,301 Or he knows how to play one. 112 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:50,637 What do you mean? 113 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,223 He was a virgin? He serves donuts? 114 00:07:53,709 --> 00:07:55,383 All of that could have been rehearsed, 115 00:07:55,408 --> 00:07:57,466 especially since he knew we were coming. 116 00:07:59,646 --> 00:08:02,232 Benjamin has never seemed like a performer to me. 117 00:08:03,483 --> 00:08:05,683 Two Feds in your living room would make anybody nervous. 118 00:08:05,707 --> 00:08:08,279 Look at him, you think he could have easily moved a body? 119 00:08:08,363 --> 00:08:10,198 Not without bursting into tears. 120 00:08:15,787 --> 00:08:17,872 I always worried about Benjamin. 121 00:08:17,956 --> 00:08:20,625 He was living with you when he met Beverly Jean? 122 00:08:20,655 --> 00:08:22,835 He was so excited to have a girlfriend. 123 00:08:22,881 --> 00:08:25,326 Did she reciprocate those feelings? 124 00:08:26,214 --> 00:08:28,091 He said that she was crazy about him. 125 00:08:28,174 --> 00:08:30,343 - Did you meet her? - Of course. 126 00:08:31,469 --> 00:08:32,762 What were they like together? 127 00:08:32,846 --> 00:08:35,181 Well, they were... normal. 128 00:08:35,932 --> 00:08:39,644 She teased him a lot. He pretended not to enjoy it, but I know he did. 129 00:08:40,770 --> 00:08:43,356 Benjamin told us the two of them argued sometimes. 130 00:08:44,941 --> 00:08:46,359 Did you see him? 131 00:08:47,652 --> 00:08:48,737 This morning. 132 00:08:50,864 --> 00:08:52,282 Is he in trouble? 133 00:08:53,575 --> 00:08:55,347 We're just going over the case again, 134 00:08:55,372 --> 00:08:57,478 talking to everyone who knew Beverly Jean. 135 00:08:58,329 --> 00:09:01,875 Well... I never heard them argue. 136 00:09:03,001 --> 00:09:06,171 Benjamin is soft, you know. 137 00:09:06,254 --> 00:09:07,714 What was he like as a kid? 138 00:09:07,797 --> 00:09:12,010 He was always sensitive. But when his father ran off, he just... 139 00:09:15,013 --> 00:09:16,097 What do you mean? 140 00:09:17,932 --> 00:09:19,017 Well... 141 00:09:19,726 --> 00:09:21,853 he started to cry a lot, wet the bed. 142 00:09:21,936 --> 00:09:23,518 He wouldn't leave the house. 143 00:09:23,551 --> 00:09:24,776 That must have been difficult. 144 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,470 I had to leave the kids on their own a lot. 145 00:09:27,734 --> 00:09:31,071 Rose helped out, but she was just so little. 146 00:09:33,990 --> 00:09:36,659 Those were hard years. I did a lot of praying. 147 00:09:38,995 --> 00:09:41,748 But then Rose met Frank and he moved in with us. 148 00:09:42,290 --> 00:09:43,583 Frank Janderman. 149 00:09:44,125 --> 00:09:45,251 That's right. 150 00:09:45,335 --> 00:09:47,378 They just had a baby, you know. 151 00:09:47,462 --> 00:09:48,838 Your first grandchild? 152 00:09:49,589 --> 00:09:50,924 Congratulations. 153 00:09:52,258 --> 00:09:56,763 People talked about Frank back then, but I never listened to all that. 154 00:09:56,846 --> 00:09:59,682 I loved him from the first time I met him. I still do. 155 00:09:59,766 --> 00:10:01,476 Did Benjamin feel the same way? 156 00:10:02,977 --> 00:10:04,979 Well, he started to go out, you know. 157 00:10:05,063 --> 00:10:06,940 He became friends with Frank. 158 00:10:07,565 --> 00:10:08,942 Frank protected him. 159 00:10:10,026 --> 00:10:12,028 He wouldn't let anyone near Rose. 160 00:10:13,738 --> 00:10:16,950 He even got Benji a job so I didn't have to work two shifts. 161 00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:21,579 Sometimes Rose said I loved him more than she did. 162 00:10:24,124 --> 00:10:25,125 When was this? 163 00:10:27,127 --> 00:10:29,420 Well, uh... they got married at 18, 164 00:10:29,504 --> 00:10:32,048 so Rose must have been... 165 00:10:34,509 --> 00:10:36,010 15, 16 at the time. 166 00:10:36,553 --> 00:10:38,888 Frank moved in. Why? 167 00:10:40,682 --> 00:10:42,058 Well, I don't remember. 168 00:10:43,393 --> 00:10:46,813 He had some problems at home with his father, as young boys do. 169 00:10:48,064 --> 00:10:50,441 But he got them their own place when they married. 170 00:10:50,525 --> 00:10:53,319 And Benjamin lived at home with you until he met Beverly Jean? 171 00:10:56,364 --> 00:10:58,074 It's been a strange time. 172 00:10:59,284 --> 00:11:01,744 We were so happy that Rose and Frank were having a baby, 173 00:11:01,828 --> 00:11:06,875 and then Benjamin loses his love in such a horrible way. 174 00:11:13,006 --> 00:11:14,507 Like mother, like son. 175 00:11:15,008 --> 00:11:16,926 You think there's a gene for crying? 176 00:11:17,510 --> 00:11:20,597 I keep wondering why Beverly was with him in the first place. 177 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:22,213 She might have liked that he was older, 178 00:11:22,238 --> 00:11:23,985 easy to talk to. He's sensitive. 179 00:11:24,851 --> 00:11:26,686 "Half glazed, half cake"? 180 00:11:27,061 --> 00:11:28,061 Sure. 181 00:11:29,147 --> 00:11:31,200 I bet Beverly had poor old pipsqueak Benji 182 00:11:31,225 --> 00:11:33,216 wrapped around her golden triangle. 183 00:11:33,693 --> 00:11:37,155 Maybe she wanted a nice guy with a steady income who loved her. 184 00:11:37,238 --> 00:11:39,032 Whatever you say, Ocasek. 185 00:11:39,866 --> 00:11:40,866 What's that? 186 00:11:41,242 --> 00:11:43,077 We were just saying there's not much here. 187 00:11:43,995 --> 00:11:45,872 I assured Mrs. Barnwright this was a formality. 188 00:11:45,955 --> 00:11:48,833 - It's not a formality. - Well, I can tell her it is. 189 00:11:49,542 --> 00:11:50,960 So where does this leave us? 190 00:11:52,397 --> 00:11:53,397 There's still Alvin. 191 00:11:53,421 --> 00:11:56,466 You don't want it to be someone in the community. Neither of you do. 192 00:11:56,549 --> 00:11:59,802 Who drives all this way to come to some rust belt town? 193 00:11:59,886 --> 00:12:02,388 If you're hunting for girls, you got big cities. 194 00:12:02,472 --> 00:12:04,599 You got freeways with hitchhikers. 195 00:12:04,682 --> 00:12:06,059 Why choose a place like this? 196 00:12:07,226 --> 00:12:09,145 How would a drifter know where the dump is? 197 00:12:17,403 --> 00:12:18,988 - Hi. - There you are. 198 00:12:19,072 --> 00:12:21,741 I got all kinds of fun things for you to look over. 199 00:12:21,824 --> 00:12:22,742 Ooh. Paperwork? 200 00:12:22,825 --> 00:12:24,220 Yeah, it's hardly sexy, 201 00:12:24,245 --> 00:12:26,228 but I'm trying to put together a list of questions 202 00:12:26,287 --> 00:12:27,687 for the killers that you interview. 203 00:12:27,711 --> 00:12:30,124 Things like family history, mood, 204 00:12:30,208 --> 00:12:32,418 thought patterns before, during, and after the crime. 205 00:12:32,502 --> 00:12:33,983 This is just a first draft, 206 00:12:34,008 --> 00:12:36,279 but look it over and let me know what you think. 207 00:12:36,339 --> 00:12:39,059 Shouldn't we tailor the interviews based on the killer's personality? 208 00:12:39,083 --> 00:12:40,093 You mean just wing it? 209 00:12:40,176 --> 00:12:42,720 With these guys, we need to look for different ways in. 210 00:12:42,804 --> 00:12:44,395 Yes, but we still need a data set 211 00:12:44,433 --> 00:12:46,553 that's consistent across all our subjects. 212 00:12:47,911 --> 00:12:48,911 You leaving? 213 00:12:48,935 --> 00:12:50,478 - Back to Boston. - You just got here. 214 00:12:51,020 --> 00:12:52,620 Well, until you conduct more interviews, 215 00:12:52,645 --> 00:12:54,260 there's really nothing for me to do here. 216 00:12:54,297 --> 00:12:55,784 We had a really interesting conversation 217 00:12:55,809 --> 00:12:57,658 with the fiancé of that victim in Altoona. 218 00:12:59,529 --> 00:13:01,948 - I got a taxi waiting. - Cancel it. I'll drive you. 219 00:13:08,538 --> 00:13:10,456 - Let me take your bag. - Thank you. 220 00:13:11,791 --> 00:13:14,794 He lost it. I've never seen a guy cry like that. 221 00:13:15,712 --> 00:13:17,130 Bill was skeptical. 222 00:13:17,213 --> 00:13:18,881 - But you believed him? - It looked real. 223 00:13:19,716 --> 00:13:22,010 Well, how did it feel? I mean, were you moved? 224 00:13:22,093 --> 00:13:24,345 - Did you want to comfort him? - I wanted him to stop. 225 00:13:24,429 --> 00:13:26,014 Why'd you want him to stop? 226 00:13:26,097 --> 00:13:27,890 I don't know, maybe I'm just callous. 227 00:13:29,058 --> 00:13:30,601 Try a little harder, Holden. 228 00:13:34,647 --> 00:13:35,732 It felt wrong. 229 00:13:36,566 --> 00:13:40,820 Benjamin was blubbering like a baby, but it didn't seem vulnerable. 230 00:13:41,612 --> 00:13:43,031 It felt hostile. 231 00:13:43,656 --> 00:13:46,451 You know, psychopaths are extremely skilled 232 00:13:46,476 --> 00:13:48,060 at imitating human emotions. 233 00:13:48,119 --> 00:13:49,829 It's how they manipulate other people 234 00:13:49,912 --> 00:13:52,290 or how they gain power over their environment. 235 00:13:52,373 --> 00:13:54,709 How do they understand emotions if they don't have them? 236 00:13:54,734 --> 00:13:55,840 Well, they have emotions. 237 00:13:55,865 --> 00:13:57,696 They just don't believe other people have them. 238 00:13:57,761 --> 00:13:59,775 Or more specifically, they don't believe 239 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:01,497 that other people have interior lives. 240 00:14:01,549 --> 00:14:02,925 How do we sniff them out? 241 00:14:03,009 --> 00:14:05,428 Well, it seems like you just did. Trust your instincts. 242 00:14:05,511 --> 00:14:08,027 The whole town sees Benjamin as this lost 243 00:14:08,052 --> 00:14:10,207 little puppy that needs protecting. 244 00:14:10,850 --> 00:14:12,226 Maybe my instincts are wrong. 245 00:14:12,310 --> 00:14:16,397 Well, we're developing a methodology, so use it. 246 00:14:18,691 --> 00:14:20,693 Look at where the perpetrator went. 247 00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:24,072 Hair, breasts, vagina, all symbols of her sexual power. 248 00:14:24,155 --> 00:14:27,450 Disfiguring her reproductive organs was a way to neutralize her. 249 00:14:27,533 --> 00:14:29,179 What about the hair on the ironing board? 250 00:14:29,204 --> 00:14:30,519 Was that some kind of display? 251 00:14:30,578 --> 00:14:32,747 Like a trophy. A way to assert his dominance. 252 00:14:32,830 --> 00:14:34,665 Benjamin is anything but assertive. 253 00:14:34,690 --> 00:14:36,441 Beverly's the first woman he slept with. 254 00:14:36,501 --> 00:14:38,002 - How old is he? - Twenty-six. 255 00:14:38,086 --> 00:14:40,713 So that would give the relationship an extra significance. 256 00:14:40,797 --> 00:14:42,757 Bill thinks the only reason she was with him 257 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,218 is because she has total sexual control over him. 258 00:14:45,301 --> 00:14:47,678 Well, what's her history? Was she a virgin, too? 259 00:14:47,762 --> 00:14:48,930 He was touchy about that. 260 00:14:49,013 --> 00:14:50,961 So then she had some experience, 261 00:14:50,986 --> 00:14:53,208 which could either excite or threaten him. 262 00:14:53,267 --> 00:14:55,812 In the photo, she looks like the girl next door. 263 00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:59,315 You really believe that a young, pretty girl can't be manipulative? 264 00:14:59,982 --> 00:15:02,193 Even if she was using sex to control him, 265 00:15:02,276 --> 00:15:04,070 and you have absolutely no evidence for this, 266 00:15:04,153 --> 00:15:06,174 then it would be in line with what many women do 267 00:15:06,199 --> 00:15:07,848 to have an ounce of power in this world. 268 00:15:07,907 --> 00:15:09,700 Fine, but if it went too far, 269 00:15:09,784 --> 00:15:12,328 if something happened and Benjamin snapped, 270 00:15:12,412 --> 00:15:14,664 could feelings of impotence explain his rage? 271 00:15:14,747 --> 00:15:16,853 Could it explain him going back four days later 272 00:15:16,878 --> 00:15:18,150 to cut her up like you said, 273 00:15:18,209 --> 00:15:20,670 - as an attempt to assert control? - Possibly. 274 00:15:20,753 --> 00:15:23,172 But then wouldn't the rape already have accomplished that? 275 00:15:23,256 --> 00:15:25,174 - Accomplish control? - Exactly. 276 00:15:25,591 --> 00:15:28,177 In all the crimes we've studied, there's never been an example 277 00:15:28,261 --> 00:15:30,513 of a victim being raped then depersonalized. 278 00:15:30,596 --> 00:15:32,515 If the killer mutilates her after death, 279 00:15:32,598 --> 00:15:34,851 then he usually commits sexual acts after death as well. 280 00:15:34,934 --> 00:15:37,645 To make up for his sense of inadequacy while she was still alive. 281 00:15:37,728 --> 00:15:40,523 It's like there's two different presentations in this crime scene. 282 00:15:44,152 --> 00:15:45,987 Anybody picking you up in Boston? 283 00:15:46,529 --> 00:15:48,614 I'll grab a cab. Bye. 284 00:15:57,707 --> 00:15:59,959 - Hey. - Hey. What are you... 285 00:16:03,629 --> 00:16:05,214 - Up to? - Studying. 286 00:16:05,756 --> 00:16:07,049 Pulling an all-nighter. 287 00:16:07,133 --> 00:16:10,386 Writing a paper on C. Wright Mills and the power elite. 288 00:16:11,846 --> 00:16:13,097 Due tomorrow. 289 00:16:14,682 --> 00:16:16,642 It's about the people who really run this country. 290 00:16:16,666 --> 00:16:19,169 Hardly what our democracy is supposed to be about. 291 00:16:20,062 --> 00:16:22,148 - Are you okay? - What? 292 00:16:22,231 --> 00:16:24,151 - You seem... - Oh. My friend gave me diet pills. 293 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,569 - Really? - Speed actually makes this interesting. 294 00:16:29,572 --> 00:16:30,656 May I see those? 295 00:16:32,950 --> 00:16:35,495 Great for concentration, keeps you totally focused. 296 00:16:35,578 --> 00:16:38,748 - Beer? Coffee? Tea? - Is this legal? 297 00:16:38,831 --> 00:16:41,083 Uh-oh. Out comes the narc. 298 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:47,732 We were digging into his relationship with the fiancée 299 00:16:47,757 --> 00:16:49,658 and he burst into tears. 300 00:16:50,176 --> 00:16:51,496 Bill thought he was bullshitting, 301 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,139 but psychopaths are extremely skilled at imitating human emotions. 302 00:16:55,223 --> 00:16:56,891 I once went crying to my professor. 303 00:16:58,684 --> 00:16:59,769 You fake cried? 304 00:16:59,852 --> 00:17:02,939 Made up an elaborate story about my dad in some horrendous accident. 305 00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:04,899 - When was this? - My freshman year. 306 00:17:04,982 --> 00:17:07,777 I was partying a little too much, almost flunked out of school. 307 00:17:08,819 --> 00:17:09,862 The interesting thing was, 308 00:17:09,946 --> 00:17:12,198 while I was lying, I actually started believing it. 309 00:17:12,740 --> 00:17:14,951 Made for a good show. He raised my grade to a C. 310 00:17:15,034 --> 00:17:16,202 - Your teacher was male. - So? 311 00:17:16,285 --> 00:17:19,956 Women crying to men always works. Men to men? 312 00:17:20,039 --> 00:17:22,708 - Not my point. - Why were you drinking so much? 313 00:17:24,252 --> 00:17:28,214 I wanted to fit in. I wanted to be wild and crazy. 314 00:17:28,297 --> 00:17:30,591 - Why? - I was tired of always thinking. 315 00:17:31,217 --> 00:17:33,678 - Don't you get tired of thinking? - No. 316 00:17:34,887 --> 00:17:37,056 And it made it easier to sleep with people. 317 00:17:42,103 --> 00:17:45,398 - How many people did you sleep with? - Let's not. 318 00:17:45,481 --> 00:17:48,192 - A lot? - What difference does that make? 319 00:17:48,276 --> 00:17:50,736 - Just curious. - And judgmental. 320 00:17:52,488 --> 00:17:53,489 Five... 321 00:17:54,949 --> 00:17:56,909 - Ten... - This is getting tedious. 322 00:18:00,037 --> 00:18:03,291 - Ten? - Holden... I'm not doing this. 323 00:18:06,127 --> 00:18:07,336 Ten. 324 00:18:09,380 --> 00:18:10,380 Uh-huh. 325 00:18:12,550 --> 00:18:15,761 - Jesus. - I know. What do we do? 326 00:18:15,845 --> 00:18:17,355 - Hell, pick him up. - What do I tell him? 327 00:18:17,394 --> 00:18:18,810 Don't tell him anything. 328 00:18:18,835 --> 00:18:21,130 Let him stew for a few hours until we get there. 329 00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:22,350 Okay. 330 00:18:23,936 --> 00:18:25,605 Ocasek looked into Frank Janderman. 331 00:18:26,147 --> 00:18:29,191 Apparently, in high school, he was sent to a psychiatric hospital 332 00:18:29,275 --> 00:18:31,027 for taking a monkey wrench to a girl. 333 00:18:32,111 --> 00:18:34,238 - Frank Janderman? - Rose's husband. 334 00:18:37,575 --> 00:18:38,951 We should get this on tape. 335 00:18:42,872 --> 00:18:45,291 So I got to thinking, why did Mrs. Barnwright 336 00:18:45,374 --> 00:18:47,460 say people were talking about Frank back then? 337 00:18:47,877 --> 00:18:49,795 - What were they talking about, right? - Right. 338 00:18:49,879 --> 00:18:52,465 So I talked to this family court judge who's a friend of mine. 339 00:18:52,548 --> 00:18:54,342 Sure enough, he remembers the case. 340 00:18:54,425 --> 00:18:56,505 Since Frank was a juvenile when the assault occurred, 341 00:18:56,529 --> 00:18:57,689 the court sealed the records. 342 00:18:58,012 --> 00:19:00,473 Fortunately, the judge is a very good friend of mine. 343 00:19:01,223 --> 00:19:02,863 Here's what we've got on Frank's hearing, 344 00:19:04,393 --> 00:19:05,686 and his time at Warren State. 345 00:19:05,770 --> 00:19:07,063 Nice work, Mark. 346 00:19:07,438 --> 00:19:10,274 This is where your community system pays off. 347 00:19:10,358 --> 00:19:12,318 He's been here since nine. Maybe we should... 348 00:19:12,401 --> 00:19:13,402 Let him wait. 349 00:19:15,196 --> 00:19:16,739 Why don't we have a cup of coffee? 350 00:19:17,740 --> 00:19:19,992 If Frank's a hothead, it'll irritate him, throw him off. 351 00:19:22,495 --> 00:19:23,996 Class of '71? 352 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,415 - Yep. - You go to your five-year reunion? 353 00:19:27,416 --> 00:19:29,543 I don't really keep up with that stuff. 354 00:19:30,044 --> 00:19:31,317 It's commendable that you graduated, 355 00:19:31,342 --> 00:19:33,164 seeing as how you missed your junior year. 356 00:19:33,188 --> 00:19:35,549 What do you want from me? I've been here all day. 357 00:19:35,633 --> 00:19:37,417 I answered all your questions last week. 358 00:19:37,442 --> 00:19:38,702 We just have a few more. 359 00:19:40,596 --> 00:19:42,014 You've got everyone in a tizzy. 360 00:19:42,807 --> 00:19:44,225 - You mean Benjamin? - Yeah. 361 00:19:44,308 --> 00:19:48,896 The whole family. Me, my wife, mom. You scared the shit out of Benji. 362 00:19:48,979 --> 00:19:51,607 I'm sorry if we scared everyone. 363 00:19:51,691 --> 00:19:53,609 And for keeping you for so long. 364 00:19:53,693 --> 00:19:55,903 Beverly Jean Shaw was close with your family. 365 00:19:55,986 --> 00:19:57,746 We're simply looking for a little background. 366 00:19:57,770 --> 00:19:58,771 She wasn't that close. 367 00:19:59,949 --> 00:20:01,629 She was about to marry your brother-in-law. 368 00:20:01,653 --> 00:20:02,780 They hadn't set a date. 369 00:20:03,862 --> 00:20:05,657 I didn't spend a lot of time with him. 370 00:20:05,682 --> 00:20:07,014 So you and Benjamin aren't close? 371 00:20:07,081 --> 00:20:08,999 What's this "close" shit? That's like women. 372 00:20:10,501 --> 00:20:12,461 Mrs. Barnwright said you looked out for him. 373 00:20:13,546 --> 00:20:16,465 - Well, yeah, he's a shrimp. - And he's your brother-in-law. 374 00:20:17,049 --> 00:20:18,175 Yep. 375 00:20:18,259 --> 00:20:21,053 - So you would help him if he needed it. - Yep. 376 00:20:24,098 --> 00:20:25,933 Did you fight a lot in high school? 377 00:20:26,517 --> 00:20:27,517 Like Popeye. 378 00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:33,315 How'd you land yourself in Warren State Psychiatric Hospital? 379 00:20:36,485 --> 00:20:38,112 It's probably in your fucking file. 380 00:20:38,654 --> 00:20:40,072 We want to hear your side. 381 00:20:43,993 --> 00:20:46,495 This girl freaked out on me, came after me with a wrench. 382 00:20:46,579 --> 00:20:49,206 I tried to get it, it swang back, hit her in the face. 383 00:20:49,290 --> 00:20:51,417 Then all this shit came raining down on me. 384 00:20:52,334 --> 00:20:53,794 Why'd she freak out? 385 00:20:53,878 --> 00:20:57,131 - I was seeing some other girl, too. - You a ladies man? 386 00:20:57,214 --> 00:20:58,924 Maybe. Back then. 387 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,511 - They sent you to a mental institution. - That was bullshit. 388 00:21:02,595 --> 00:21:05,222 - I had to go, it was part of the plea. - You did a plea deal? 389 00:21:05,306 --> 00:21:07,308 Why not go to court, tell them what you told us? 390 00:21:07,391 --> 00:21:10,686 My lawyer said I'd never win against a sweet girl with a broken nose. 391 00:21:12,313 --> 00:21:13,654 There were other infractions, 392 00:21:13,679 --> 00:21:15,313 I was running around like a jackass back then. 393 00:21:15,337 --> 00:21:18,716 - But no longer? - I'm married now. Got a kid. 394 00:21:19,153 --> 00:21:21,864 Marriage and fatherhood don't make anger go away. 395 00:21:21,947 --> 00:21:24,283 I wasn't angry, I was just... 396 00:21:24,366 --> 00:21:25,951 Misunderstood? 397 00:21:26,786 --> 00:21:29,455 Makes me sound like a pussy, but yeah. 398 00:21:30,706 --> 00:21:33,250 Want to tell us about the night Beverly Jean disappeared? 399 00:21:35,377 --> 00:21:39,465 I don't know. It was, uh... typical, I guess. 400 00:21:39,548 --> 00:21:41,425 Rose was still pregnant back then. 401 00:21:41,926 --> 00:21:44,011 Got her some dinner and watched TV. 402 00:21:44,094 --> 00:21:46,222 - So you were home all night. - No. 403 00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:47,598 No? 404 00:21:48,265 --> 00:21:51,060 No. I told you, I went out and got us dinner. 405 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:52,728 How long were you gone? 406 00:21:53,062 --> 00:21:55,773 I don't know, 15, 20 minutes maybe. 407 00:21:55,856 --> 00:21:57,566 Where'd you get food? 408 00:21:57,650 --> 00:21:59,944 Rose likes the rolls at Hannah's Diner on Market Street. 409 00:22:00,027 --> 00:22:01,570 And Rose will confirm this? 410 00:22:02,905 --> 00:22:05,574 Am I under some kind of suspicion here? 411 00:22:05,658 --> 00:22:08,994 We're just looking at it from every angle. 412 00:22:10,746 --> 00:22:13,290 No, Beverly Jean was, uh... was Benji's girl. 413 00:22:13,374 --> 00:22:14,750 I barely knew her. 414 00:22:14,834 --> 00:22:17,837 Strange, seeing as how she was about to be part of the family. 415 00:22:19,213 --> 00:22:21,048 Stop saying it like that. 416 00:22:21,465 --> 00:22:23,425 You said they hadn't set a date for the wedding. 417 00:22:24,385 --> 00:22:27,388 - It was loose. - They were engaged, weren't they? 418 00:22:28,847 --> 00:22:30,307 Benji thought they were. 419 00:22:32,726 --> 00:22:36,099 The impression I got is that she was in love with him, 420 00:22:36,167 --> 00:22:37,539 wanted to marry him. 421 00:22:37,606 --> 00:22:40,192 Oh, man, I don't want to rain on his parade... 422 00:22:40,276 --> 00:22:42,676 You're saying he made the relationship more than what it was? 423 00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:44,738 She let him call her his girlfriend. 424 00:22:44,822 --> 00:22:46,198 He got that apartment for her. 425 00:22:46,282 --> 00:22:48,617 Yeah, that was the big plan, get her to move in. 426 00:22:48,701 --> 00:22:51,745 - Was Beverly even sleeping with him? - Now and again. 427 00:22:52,371 --> 00:22:54,691 A looker like her, he thought he'd died and gone to heaven. 428 00:22:54,715 --> 00:22:57,793 - You found her attractive? - She's a seven. 429 00:22:57,876 --> 00:23:00,337 Really? From the photos, I'd give her an eight. 430 00:23:00,421 --> 00:23:01,755 In Altoona, she's a solid eight. 431 00:23:03,090 --> 00:23:05,801 I thought Benji had done pretty good for himself. 432 00:23:06,719 --> 00:23:08,304 Especially for a guy who's... 433 00:23:09,513 --> 00:23:10,806 so quick to cry. 434 00:23:11,450 --> 00:23:12,450 Shit, yeah. 435 00:23:12,474 --> 00:23:15,519 Do you think that he was satisfying her? 436 00:23:19,773 --> 00:23:22,651 - I don't think he was blowing her mind. - She tell you that? 437 00:23:22,735 --> 00:23:24,681 Not in so many words, but when a chick's enjoying it, 438 00:23:24,706 --> 00:23:25,845 she's all over you. 439 00:23:25,904 --> 00:23:27,615 You think Beverly Jean knew the difference? 440 00:23:28,449 --> 00:23:31,619 You think she'd, you know... been around? 441 00:23:32,995 --> 00:23:36,332 I'd say she was, uh... open. 442 00:23:39,543 --> 00:23:41,063 Benjamin see it that way too? 443 00:23:41,503 --> 00:23:44,173 I don't know if he didn't get it or he didn't want to. 444 00:23:53,641 --> 00:23:56,727 Everyone we interviewed said Beverly Jean was... 445 00:23:56,810 --> 00:24:00,314 nice, loyal, decent. 446 00:24:00,397 --> 00:24:01,397 Well... 447 00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:06,236 no one's gonna come right out and say the dead girl was easy. 448 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,365 Frank's cagey. You hear him deflect on that deal in high school? 449 00:24:10,199 --> 00:24:12,159 He could have made that up about her being a slut. 450 00:24:12,183 --> 00:24:13,183 What if he didn't? 451 00:24:13,535 --> 00:24:16,330 Listen, if Beverly had the upper hand in the relationship 452 00:24:16,413 --> 00:24:19,166 and made Benjamin feel jealous by seeing other men, 453 00:24:20,167 --> 00:24:23,045 if Benjamin felt sexually powerless, 454 00:24:23,128 --> 00:24:25,881 he might lash out with the kind of anger we see in this crime. 455 00:24:26,507 --> 00:24:28,592 Let's see what Benjamin has to say. 456 00:24:28,676 --> 00:24:30,386 - Bring him in? - Yeah. 457 00:24:30,761 --> 00:24:32,680 You understand you're not under arrest? 458 00:24:32,763 --> 00:24:34,200 You're free to leave at any point, 459 00:24:34,225 --> 00:24:35,957 only have to talk to us if you want to. 460 00:24:36,016 --> 00:24:38,560 And you're okay with us recording this conversation? 461 00:24:38,644 --> 00:24:40,764 It's just so much easier than writing everything down. 462 00:24:40,788 --> 00:24:42,831 Yeah. I want to help if I can. 463 00:24:43,857 --> 00:24:47,069 You know a lot about this case you're not telling us, don't you? 464 00:24:47,486 --> 00:24:50,656 Uh, no, nothing more than what I already said. 465 00:24:50,739 --> 00:24:51,739 We talked to Frank. 466 00:24:52,199 --> 00:24:54,719 He paints a different picture of your relationship with Beverly. 467 00:24:54,743 --> 00:24:57,662 He said you made up that part about you and her being engaged. 468 00:24:58,497 --> 00:24:59,873 Uh... 469 00:24:59,957 --> 00:25:01,709 Well, I didn't have a ring yet, 470 00:25:01,792 --> 00:25:05,546 but, um, but I asked her and she said yes. 471 00:25:05,629 --> 00:25:07,965 It sounded to us like she wanted to keep her options open. 472 00:25:11,343 --> 00:25:12,344 Benjamin? 473 00:25:15,222 --> 00:25:16,724 Did Frank say that? 474 00:25:16,807 --> 00:25:18,225 He said a lot of things. 475 00:25:20,686 --> 00:25:22,438 - 'Cause he was jealous. - Jealous? 476 00:25:22,521 --> 00:25:24,064 Why would he be jealous? 477 00:25:24,148 --> 00:25:26,066 He's married. To your sister. 478 00:25:26,150 --> 00:25:27,150 Well... 479 00:25:28,861 --> 00:25:32,072 He was always asking when... she was coming around, 480 00:25:32,156 --> 00:25:35,200 always talking to her like she was his girlfriend. 481 00:25:35,284 --> 00:25:37,703 - What do you mean? - Like "Hey, hon," 482 00:25:37,786 --> 00:25:41,707 "Hey, babe," "Hey, sweetheart, go get me a beer." 483 00:25:42,541 --> 00:25:43,541 And... 484 00:25:45,210 --> 00:25:47,296 he was always getting her to sit on his lap. 485 00:25:47,963 --> 00:25:49,486 Did she want to sit on his lap? 486 00:25:49,511 --> 00:25:51,574 She had to or it would've been rude. 487 00:25:51,633 --> 00:25:55,137 - Did he try to have sex with her? - No, it didn't go that far. 488 00:25:55,220 --> 00:25:56,972 He told us he was interested. 489 00:25:57,055 --> 00:26:00,142 Beverly Jean was a beautiful woman. She wouldn't do that. 490 00:26:00,225 --> 00:26:02,251 Do what, have sex? She had sex with you. 491 00:26:02,276 --> 00:26:03,328 She loved me. 492 00:26:03,353 --> 00:26:05,939 But she wasn't exactly saving herself for marriage. 493 00:26:08,609 --> 00:26:10,444 Do you think you satisfied her, Benjamin? 494 00:26:24,708 --> 00:26:26,628 Did you see her that night when she got off work? 495 00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:29,087 No. I was home, I was watching television. 496 00:26:29,171 --> 00:26:31,465 Didn't you want her to come over, hang out with you? 497 00:26:31,548 --> 00:26:34,927 Of course I wanted her to come over, because I loved her. 498 00:26:35,010 --> 00:26:37,054 Now she's dead. 499 00:26:38,347 --> 00:26:41,016 Oh, my God! 500 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,477 Oh, my God! 501 00:26:53,737 --> 00:26:55,447 So did Beverly Jean sleep around? 502 00:26:58,075 --> 00:27:00,994 - Alvin tried to pick her up at a bar. - She turned him down. 503 00:27:01,078 --> 00:27:02,558 What was she doing at a bar? 504 00:27:02,955 --> 00:27:05,916 - Having a drink? - Was she alone, with a girlfriend? 505 00:27:05,999 --> 00:27:07,334 What would that tell us? 506 00:27:07,417 --> 00:27:09,169 A single woman in a bar... 507 00:27:09,253 --> 00:27:11,463 A single woman might go alone just to have a drink. 508 00:27:11,547 --> 00:27:14,132 What about her? Is she trying to pick someone up? 509 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,344 - Well, probably. - Why, because she's by herself? 510 00:27:17,803 --> 00:27:19,054 Because she's at a bar? 511 00:27:20,556 --> 00:27:21,756 - Yeah. - That's an assumption. 512 00:27:21,780 --> 00:27:24,852 Say she is looking for someone, does that make her easy? 513 00:27:24,935 --> 00:27:26,895 Is she looking for a husband or a one-night stand? 514 00:27:26,919 --> 00:27:28,689 Does the difference change your perception? 515 00:27:28,772 --> 00:27:30,107 - Sure. - Why? 516 00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:34,778 Well, changes whether I'd be interested in her, theoretically. 517 00:27:34,862 --> 00:27:37,906 What if you're looking for a one-night stand... theoretically? 518 00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:40,409 No, I don't... It's not my thing. 519 00:27:40,492 --> 00:27:42,172 - Come on, Mark. - Leave him alone. 520 00:27:42,196 --> 00:27:44,804 Beverly's sexual history is only important 521 00:27:44,829 --> 00:27:46,188 because if she was seeing other men, 522 00:27:46,248 --> 00:27:47,875 then obviously they're suspects. 523 00:27:47,958 --> 00:27:49,459 So who else can we talk to? 524 00:27:52,546 --> 00:27:56,258 There's a couple of friends we could question... again. 525 00:27:56,341 --> 00:27:58,176 Anyone else she might have confided in? 526 00:27:58,886 --> 00:28:01,680 She did just get her hair done. Right? 527 00:28:03,974 --> 00:28:05,183 Here's a question, 528 00:28:05,267 --> 00:28:07,827 if it is Benjamin or some other boyfriend who freaked out on her, 529 00:28:07,851 --> 00:28:09,853 does the case merit our involvement? 530 00:28:11,148 --> 00:28:13,349 We still can't rule out a sequence killer, 531 00:28:13,374 --> 00:28:14,710 but if the perpetrator was a townie, 532 00:28:14,735 --> 00:28:15,836 then the crime is random, 533 00:28:15,861 --> 00:28:17,895 and there's no expectation that he'll be repeating it. 534 00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:21,033 Here's my question, shouldn't our funding cover separate rooms? 535 00:28:21,116 --> 00:28:22,534 You don't like my company? 536 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,536 We'll get connecting doors. 537 00:28:42,512 --> 00:28:45,891 The mutilation of her body alone justifies our involvement. 538 00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:51,021 Would you mind sitting on your own bed, please? 539 00:29:18,173 --> 00:29:19,591 Well, that was a dead end. 540 00:29:20,050 --> 00:29:21,218 Who's next? 541 00:29:21,301 --> 00:29:23,804 One of the families she baby-sat for, the Snyders. 542 00:29:25,264 --> 00:29:28,433 You mind if we take a quick detour? Something's been bugging me. 543 00:29:28,517 --> 00:29:29,517 Okay. 544 00:29:52,666 --> 00:29:53,666 Hi, Rose. 545 00:29:58,046 --> 00:29:59,339 I just got him to sleep. 546 00:29:59,423 --> 00:30:01,174 Pretty hard having a newborn. 547 00:30:01,258 --> 00:30:03,218 All anybody ever tells you is how great it is. 548 00:30:03,302 --> 00:30:07,139 But my wife and I, with both our kids, we walked around like zombies 549 00:30:07,222 --> 00:30:08,640 for the first three months. 550 00:30:10,309 --> 00:30:12,644 You know, Trinity Lutheran, over on Sycamore, 551 00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:14,438 has a program for single moms. 552 00:30:14,521 --> 00:30:16,732 Not that you're single, but it's your first child 553 00:30:16,815 --> 00:30:18,710 and they'll have all kinds of information 554 00:30:18,735 --> 00:30:20,127 on feeding him, getting him to sleep. 555 00:30:20,152 --> 00:30:22,154 - Thanks. - What about Frank? 556 00:30:22,654 --> 00:30:24,531 - He help you out? - When he can. 557 00:30:25,009 --> 00:30:26,009 He's got work. 558 00:30:26,033 --> 00:30:28,618 Your mom certainly seems excited about having a grandbaby. 559 00:30:28,702 --> 00:30:29,911 She is happy. 560 00:30:30,454 --> 00:30:32,372 And Benjamin, is he helping? 561 00:30:33,248 --> 00:30:36,209 - No. - You close with Benjamin? 562 00:30:36,793 --> 00:30:38,045 He's my older brother. 563 00:30:39,046 --> 00:30:40,088 By how much? 564 00:30:41,089 --> 00:30:42,215 Fourteen months. 565 00:30:42,299 --> 00:30:44,009 You have good memories growing up? 566 00:30:44,551 --> 00:30:46,887 Mom went to work. Got two jobs. 567 00:30:47,304 --> 00:30:49,598 Two kids, two jobs. How'd she swing that? 568 00:30:49,681 --> 00:30:51,601 Me and Benji went to school a couple blocks over. 569 00:30:51,625 --> 00:30:53,310 We would walk home in the afternoon. 570 00:30:53,393 --> 00:30:56,438 - And you were how old? - Ten. Maybe eleven. 571 00:30:56,521 --> 00:30:57,564 That's pretty young. 572 00:30:58,065 --> 00:31:01,485 Mom would come home tired, wasn't really up for dealing with kids. 573 00:31:02,361 --> 00:31:05,447 - I'd make sure the house was clean. - It's no small feat. 574 00:31:08,033 --> 00:31:10,911 - How old were you when you met Frank? - Sixteen. 575 00:31:11,453 --> 00:31:13,997 You know about the incident with Frank in high school? 576 00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:18,377 It was before I met him. 577 00:31:19,294 --> 00:31:21,105 You ever talk with him about it? 578 00:31:21,196 --> 00:31:23,494 He told me it was some accident. 579 00:31:24,925 --> 00:31:25,926 Rose... 580 00:31:27,094 --> 00:31:28,470 you knew Beverly Jean. 581 00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:31,390 What was she like? 582 00:31:31,848 --> 00:31:33,350 She was really sweet. 583 00:31:34,101 --> 00:31:36,103 You think she was good for Benjamin? 584 00:31:36,186 --> 00:31:37,896 She made him want to leave home. 585 00:31:38,939 --> 00:31:40,190 I thought that was good. 586 00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:45,278 We gave him money for a security deposit. Signed his lease. 587 00:31:45,362 --> 00:31:46,905 Did she intend to marry him? 588 00:31:49,032 --> 00:31:50,283 He was working on her. 589 00:31:50,742 --> 00:31:53,537 Was she... seeing other men? 590 00:31:56,706 --> 00:31:59,042 Benjamin thought she might be. 591 00:31:59,126 --> 00:32:00,293 Benjamin told you this? 592 00:32:03,130 --> 00:32:06,174 He said he thought she was giving him the runaround. 593 00:32:07,259 --> 00:32:09,219 Getting done up for other guys. 594 00:32:10,011 --> 00:32:11,054 Done up how? 595 00:32:11,138 --> 00:32:12,764 Dressing provocatively? 596 00:32:13,390 --> 00:32:15,600 Painting her nails? Wearing perfume? 597 00:32:15,684 --> 00:32:16,726 Getting her hair done. 598 00:32:17,769 --> 00:32:19,456 Frank told us he was with you 599 00:32:19,481 --> 00:32:21,213 the night Beverly Jean was murdered. 600 00:32:21,815 --> 00:32:23,233 - Is that true? - Yes. 601 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,403 Well, uh... 602 00:32:28,738 --> 00:32:30,824 he went out to get us food. 603 00:32:30,907 --> 00:32:34,661 How long was he gone? 604 00:32:54,931 --> 00:32:56,975 Rose, if you are hiding something 605 00:32:57,726 --> 00:33:00,812 and they find out about it, it will not be good for you... 606 00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:03,023 or for him. 607 00:33:24,544 --> 00:33:25,754 What are we missing? 608 00:33:29,591 --> 00:33:31,751 - Did you see those bruises on her arm? - Yeah. 609 00:33:32,219 --> 00:33:33,303 You think Frank did that? 610 00:33:33,386 --> 00:33:36,640 Her mother told us that he wouldn't let anyone else get close to her. 611 00:33:38,517 --> 00:33:39,677 Should we search Frank's car? 612 00:33:40,477 --> 00:33:42,437 - I would need a warrant. - Let's get one. 613 00:33:45,065 --> 00:33:48,109 Mark. There's a young woman downstairs asking for you. 614 00:33:59,621 --> 00:34:00,622 Hi, Rose. 615 00:34:06,545 --> 00:34:07,837 Do... 616 00:34:10,590 --> 00:34:12,757 Do you promise my baby will be okay 617 00:34:12,782 --> 00:34:14,118 if I tell you what happened? 618 00:34:15,136 --> 00:34:16,483 Of course. 619 00:34:20,976 --> 00:34:21,976 It's okay. 620 00:34:23,770 --> 00:34:25,814 It's okay. Hey. 621 00:34:33,947 --> 00:34:37,909 So you said Frank was not home the night Beverly Jean disappeared? 622 00:34:40,453 --> 00:34:41,453 Yes. 623 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,415 Do you know where he was? 624 00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:46,750 Yes. 625 00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:49,462 Where was he? 626 00:34:50,589 --> 00:34:53,383 Benji called us that night and asked Frank to come over. 627 00:34:56,344 --> 00:34:57,429 Okay. 628 00:34:58,930 --> 00:35:00,265 So Frank left. 629 00:35:00,849 --> 00:35:02,183 How long was he gone? 630 00:35:06,646 --> 00:35:09,899 He called after two or three hours. Asked me to come over there too. 631 00:35:09,983 --> 00:35:12,902 - What time was this? - Ten or eleven? 632 00:35:12,986 --> 00:35:14,946 But I told him I was tired. 633 00:35:15,697 --> 00:35:17,365 My back hurt. My feet. 634 00:35:19,993 --> 00:35:21,995 I was more than eight months pregnant. 635 00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:24,706 Did he say why he wanted you to come over? 636 00:35:24,789 --> 00:35:25,790 No. 637 00:35:27,292 --> 00:35:28,835 He just said to come? 638 00:35:29,419 --> 00:35:31,212 He said to bring cleaning supplies. 639 00:35:34,841 --> 00:35:36,926 But... I forgot. 640 00:35:40,722 --> 00:35:42,807 Drove over, let myself in. 641 00:35:43,433 --> 00:35:47,437 Frank was in the living room. He told me not to get upset. 642 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,688 Was he upset? 643 00:35:49,689 --> 00:35:50,732 He was calm. 644 00:35:51,358 --> 00:35:54,194 Okay. So Frank tells you not to get upset... 645 00:35:56,196 --> 00:35:58,990 He told me something bad had happened. 646 00:36:00,867 --> 00:36:04,913 My mind started racing, I was worried something had happened to Benji. 647 00:36:07,916 --> 00:36:10,377 Frank said, "He's fine, but he's done something." 648 00:36:13,171 --> 00:36:14,589 Benjamin did something? 649 00:36:17,801 --> 00:36:18,801 Yes. 650 00:36:21,012 --> 00:36:22,555 I said, "What's he done?" 651 00:36:24,307 --> 00:36:27,394 He said he got mad at Beverly Jean. 652 00:36:37,570 --> 00:36:39,823 Frank said Benjamin hit her. 653 00:36:41,658 --> 00:36:43,451 I asked if she was okay. 654 00:36:48,331 --> 00:36:50,959 Frank said, "We got to help Benjamin out of this. 655 00:36:51,042 --> 00:36:53,878 We got to stick together or he's going to get in trouble." 656 00:36:57,966 --> 00:36:59,634 I asked where Benjamin was. 657 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,303 He said, "He's in the bathroom." 658 00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:06,558 I said, "I want to see him." He said, "Okay. 659 00:37:08,143 --> 00:37:10,145 "But Beverly Jean is in there too." 660 00:37:13,064 --> 00:37:14,357 The door was open. 661 00:37:15,066 --> 00:37:17,277 I saw Benji. He... 662 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,071 He had his head in his hands, he was crying. 663 00:37:20,989 --> 00:37:23,575 There was blood everywhere. 664 00:37:24,075 --> 00:37:25,243 Splashing. 665 00:37:27,162 --> 00:37:29,581 And then I see Beverly Jean in the bathtub. 666 00:37:31,458 --> 00:37:32,751 Was she alive? 667 00:37:35,170 --> 00:37:36,170 Dead. 668 00:37:38,006 --> 00:37:40,675 She had her top on, but no panties. 669 00:37:43,011 --> 00:37:45,889 I said, "Benji, what have you done?" 670 00:37:47,807 --> 00:37:49,976 He shook his head. He didn't want to look at me. 671 00:37:50,602 --> 00:37:53,271 - Was she face up, face down? - Face up. 672 00:37:53,354 --> 00:37:54,731 Did you notice any wounds? 673 00:37:55,523 --> 00:37:57,776 I couldn't tell, there was a lot of blood. 674 00:37:58,359 --> 00:37:59,527 Then what happened? 675 00:37:59,986 --> 00:38:03,114 Then Frank brought in a tarp, spread it on the floor. 676 00:38:03,615 --> 00:38:06,326 Then he asked me to go get cleaning supplies. 677 00:38:07,076 --> 00:38:08,996 When I came back, they had already rolled her up. 678 00:38:09,037 --> 00:38:12,123 So they took her out to Frank's truck and drove off. 679 00:38:14,125 --> 00:38:16,461 I washed out the tub and cleaned up the bathroom. 680 00:38:17,128 --> 00:38:20,423 I scrubbed the tiles, in the cracks, 681 00:38:20,507 --> 00:38:22,300 the grouting, the window frame. 682 00:38:23,176 --> 00:38:26,513 I had to wash all the blood down the sink and that seemed to... 683 00:38:27,263 --> 00:38:28,515 It took forever... 684 00:38:29,474 --> 00:38:31,351 trying to get it all to go down. 685 00:38:33,102 --> 00:38:36,105 - Did you see a weapon? - There was a knife in the tub. 686 00:38:36,189 --> 00:38:37,482 What'd you do with it? 687 00:38:38,858 --> 00:38:39,984 I rinsed it off. 688 00:38:40,068 --> 00:38:43,154 Took it to the kitchen, washed it with dish soap. 689 00:38:43,613 --> 00:38:44,823 Put it away. 690 00:38:48,576 --> 00:38:49,994 And then I went home. 691 00:38:50,078 --> 00:38:52,872 Did you see Frank or Benjamin again that night? 692 00:38:52,956 --> 00:38:53,956 No. 693 00:38:53,998 --> 00:38:55,875 Frank came home early the next morning. 694 00:38:58,962 --> 00:39:00,046 Why did you help them? 695 00:39:02,966 --> 00:39:04,926 It's just what I've always done. 696 00:39:07,345 --> 00:39:08,429 Who killed her? 697 00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:12,058 I don't know. 698 00:39:14,242 --> 00:39:19,242 synced & corrected by PopcornAWH www.addic7ed.com