1 00:02:00,412 --> 00:02:01,663 "Deviant." 2 00:02:02,372 --> 00:02:03,665 Pyromania. 3 00:02:04,374 --> 00:02:05,375 Torture. 4 00:02:06,186 --> 00:02:07,186 "Mutilation." 5 00:02:07,210 --> 00:02:10,005 I understand what you're trying to do, and I appreciate it. 6 00:02:10,088 --> 00:02:12,728 Using Career Week to discuss early intervention, it's a great idea. 7 00:02:12,752 --> 00:02:15,260 I had been thinking about how we educate kids when you called. 8 00:02:15,344 --> 00:02:18,847 And coming from the FBI, it is a powerful statement. 9 00:02:19,556 --> 00:02:22,851 But how do I get it across if I can't use these words? 10 00:02:28,398 --> 00:02:29,483 "Mutilation." 11 00:02:30,108 --> 00:02:33,278 If you use that, I guarantee you that at least one of them, 12 00:02:33,362 --> 00:02:37,032 Jenny Cromer, Michael Stahl, these are confident, curious children. 13 00:02:37,115 --> 00:02:39,576 They will ask you what "mutilation" means. 14 00:02:39,660 --> 00:02:41,286 And I can describe it, and specifically... 15 00:02:41,311 --> 00:02:42,546 And then... 16 00:02:43,121 --> 00:02:44,581 a few of them will go home, 17 00:02:45,082 --> 00:02:46,500 they'll have nightmares, 18 00:02:46,583 --> 00:02:48,585 and tomorrow I'll be fielding calls from parents 19 00:02:48,668 --> 00:02:49,836 who will be concerned... 20 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:51,579 Parents should be discussing this, too. 21 00:02:51,604 --> 00:02:52,766 Absolutely. 22 00:02:52,798 --> 00:02:55,967 And if I had the time to build a foundation for their understanding, 23 00:02:56,051 --> 00:02:59,346 I'd be on board. 24 00:03:00,013 --> 00:03:01,264 So no "torture." 25 00:03:02,265 --> 00:03:03,558 Could I say "hurting"? 26 00:03:04,434 --> 00:03:05,434 "Hurting" animals? 27 00:03:05,477 --> 00:03:07,854 What about "being mean" to animals? 28 00:03:10,982 --> 00:03:12,818 You really think that "pyromania" is too much? 29 00:03:12,901 --> 00:03:14,796 My students will not know what that is. 30 00:03:14,821 --> 00:03:15,889 "Arson"? 31 00:03:15,914 --> 00:03:16,975 Mm-mm. 32 00:03:17,041 --> 00:03:20,242 - "Deviant"? - They will not know what that is. 33 00:03:20,325 --> 00:03:22,494 Even if I used it in context? 34 00:03:22,577 --> 00:03:23,620 It's harsh. 35 00:03:23,703 --> 00:03:25,872 We need to prepare them for the world, yes. 36 00:03:26,415 --> 00:03:29,334 But we also need to protect them from it. 37 00:03:29,835 --> 00:03:31,378 Guess I could say... 38 00:03:33,088 --> 00:03:34,214 "disturbing." 39 00:03:36,425 --> 00:03:37,801 Listen, Agent Ford. 40 00:03:38,802 --> 00:03:40,220 Show them your badge. 41 00:03:41,221 --> 00:03:42,973 They'll be thrilled. 42 00:03:46,143 --> 00:03:50,480 My job at the FBI is to study people who exhibit disturbing behavior. 43 00:03:51,022 --> 00:03:53,066 If I can classify this behavior, 44 00:03:53,150 --> 00:03:56,570 I can help the police catch these people when they commit a crime. 45 00:03:57,529 --> 00:03:59,364 But lately I've been asking myself: 46 00:04:00,073 --> 00:04:04,244 can we stop these people from becoming disturbing in the first place? 47 00:04:05,829 --> 00:04:07,372 That's where you come in. 48 00:04:07,998 --> 00:04:10,333 By your age, we can start seeing the signs. 49 00:04:10,417 --> 00:04:13,003 In this whole classroom, statistically speaking, 50 00:04:13,086 --> 00:04:16,423 disturbing behavior would show up in about one of you. 51 00:04:16,923 --> 00:04:20,260 Say you have a friend who likes lighting fires. 52 00:04:20,343 --> 00:04:24,598 I mean, deliberately setting things on fire, like toys or trash. 53 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,934 Another sign that your friend is disturbed, 54 00:04:28,018 --> 00:04:29,728 is if he shows a lack of remorse. 55 00:04:31,938 --> 00:04:36,026 That is, if he's done something wrong, he doesn't feel bad about it. 56 00:04:37,319 --> 00:04:40,197 - Yes. - Are only boys disturbed? 57 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:42,532 Perhaps I should be saying he or she, 58 00:04:42,616 --> 00:04:46,119 but yes, actually, it is mostly males who are disturbed. 59 00:04:46,620 --> 00:04:49,331 Sorry, guys. 60 00:04:49,414 --> 00:04:51,917 Another thing you should be aware of at your age 61 00:04:52,501 --> 00:04:53,668 is the way we treat animals. 62 00:04:53,752 --> 00:04:56,087 Now animals are nice to us, so we should be nice back. 63 00:04:56,171 --> 00:05:01,551 But say you have a friend who is being mean to an animal. 64 00:05:01,635 --> 00:05:04,221 Very mean. You should take note of that. 65 00:05:04,865 --> 00:05:05,865 Yes. 66 00:05:05,889 --> 00:05:07,933 My brother throws rocks at our dog. 67 00:05:08,016 --> 00:05:11,686 Well, that doesn't sound very nice, but let me ask you: 68 00:05:11,770 --> 00:05:14,356 are they big rocks or little rocks? 69 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:18,151 - Mm... medium rocks. - Okay. 70 00:05:18,235 --> 00:05:21,738 The kind of behavior towards animals that I'm talking about is, um... 71 00:05:22,781 --> 00:05:24,157 forcible... 72 00:05:24,699 --> 00:05:27,911 It's not just about being mean to animals, it's... 73 00:05:28,787 --> 00:05:31,832 It's about hurting the animal, and you'll know when that's happening 74 00:05:31,915 --> 00:05:35,544 because an animal will let you know when it is being hurt. 75 00:05:38,713 --> 00:05:40,648 In any case, if you see this, 76 00:05:40,673 --> 00:05:43,117 you should tell a teacher, or your mom, or your dad. 77 00:05:43,176 --> 00:05:48,431 The idea is that you stop your friend, who is a disturbing kid, 78 00:05:48,515 --> 00:05:51,059 from becoming a disturbing adult, 79 00:05:51,142 --> 00:05:55,063 because one day he may start being mean to people. 80 00:05:56,856 --> 00:05:57,856 So... 81 00:06:02,070 --> 00:06:03,655 Who wants to see my badge? 82 00:06:07,742 --> 00:06:09,828 It means so much to these students 83 00:06:09,911 --> 00:06:11,997 that someone like yourself would take an interest. 84 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,833 Sure, that was great. They're very smart. 85 00:06:15,375 --> 00:06:17,794 Top standardized test scores in the district. 86 00:06:18,503 --> 00:06:20,922 Well, if you want to do any more outreach, just let me know. 87 00:06:21,006 --> 00:06:23,883 Don't say that, I'll hold you to it. Thanks again. 88 00:06:23,967 --> 00:06:24,967 Thank you. 89 00:06:25,719 --> 00:06:27,887 Sorry. Bye. 90 00:06:27,971 --> 00:06:29,055 Mr. Ford? 91 00:06:29,491 --> 00:06:30,491 Holden. 92 00:06:30,515 --> 00:06:32,601 I'm Janet Ebner. I teach fourth grade here. 93 00:06:32,684 --> 00:06:35,020 - May I have a moment? - Sure. 94 00:06:35,103 --> 00:06:37,480 I know you weren't here today to talk to us, 95 00:06:37,564 --> 00:06:41,109 but I've heard about some behavior that I'd classify as disturbing. 96 00:06:41,670 --> 00:06:42,670 Okay. 97 00:06:42,694 --> 00:06:46,489 Well, odd at the very least, but I believe my instincts are good. 98 00:06:46,990 --> 00:06:48,700 It all starts with instinct. 99 00:06:48,783 --> 00:06:50,285 And I'm not the only one. 100 00:06:50,368 --> 00:06:52,245 Some of the other teachers are concerned, 101 00:06:52,329 --> 00:06:54,748 several parents, certain members of the school board. 102 00:06:54,831 --> 00:06:56,416 We even took it to the local police. 103 00:06:57,292 --> 00:06:58,292 What is it? 104 00:06:59,919 --> 00:07:02,130 Let's go to the staff room. This way. 105 00:07:05,925 --> 00:07:06,926 Thank you. 106 00:07:09,846 --> 00:07:12,724 - He has a thing for tickling. - Who does? 107 00:07:12,807 --> 00:07:15,685 Principal Wade, Roger, tickles the children. 108 00:07:16,728 --> 00:07:18,438 - Where? - In his office. 109 00:07:19,272 --> 00:07:20,774 I mean, where on the body? 110 00:07:20,857 --> 00:07:22,025 Their feet. 111 00:07:22,108 --> 00:07:24,945 Sometimes a child will go to his office for disciplinary reasons, 112 00:07:25,028 --> 00:07:26,154 that's when it happens. 113 00:07:26,237 --> 00:07:27,572 Is it punishment? 114 00:07:27,656 --> 00:07:29,741 I think it's supposed to mitigate the punishment, 115 00:07:29,824 --> 00:07:31,284 but then he gives them money. 116 00:07:31,910 --> 00:07:33,370 - For what? - Nickels. 117 00:07:33,453 --> 00:07:36,373 He gives them nickels if they can withstand the tickling. 118 00:07:36,915 --> 00:07:38,291 Okay, well... 119 00:07:39,084 --> 00:07:40,335 that is odd. 120 00:07:40,961 --> 00:07:44,297 - It's completely inappropriate. - Has anybody talked with him? 121 00:07:44,631 --> 00:07:47,342 The board questioned him, nothing happened. 122 00:07:47,425 --> 00:07:49,177 But somebody took it to the police? 123 00:07:49,260 --> 00:07:51,721 I did, at the urging of some parents. 124 00:07:51,798 --> 00:07:53,671 Parents asked you to go to the police? 125 00:07:53,738 --> 00:07:54,957 I talked to a Detective Barr. 126 00:07:55,016 --> 00:07:57,602 He said they'd look into it, write something up. 127 00:07:57,727 --> 00:07:58,770 That was five months ago. 128 00:07:58,795 --> 00:07:59,812 Have you seen a report? 129 00:07:59,837 --> 00:08:01,755 No, it's like the whole thing went away. 130 00:08:01,815 --> 00:08:03,400 Maybe you could check in with him. 131 00:08:05,026 --> 00:08:06,486 This isn't exactly my area. 132 00:08:06,569 --> 00:08:09,406 This is what you were talking about. 133 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:12,283 At least by our definition at the Behavioral Science Unit, 134 00:08:12,367 --> 00:08:14,494 tickling is not considered deviant behavior. 135 00:08:14,577 --> 00:08:16,371 Deviant? You said "disturbing." 136 00:08:17,455 --> 00:08:20,083 Whatever's going on here is obviously nuanced. 137 00:08:20,583 --> 00:08:23,253 I'd have to witness it or at least get his version. 138 00:08:24,045 --> 00:08:26,506 - Do you have children? - Not yet. 139 00:08:27,215 --> 00:08:29,551 Imagine one of those seven-year-olds is yours. 140 00:08:30,016 --> 00:08:32,543 Principal Wade has her take off her shoes and socks 141 00:08:32,568 --> 00:08:34,252 so that he can tickle her feet. 142 00:08:34,305 --> 00:08:35,878 Wouldn't you be worried one day 143 00:08:35,903 --> 00:08:37,654 he'd ask her to take something else off? 144 00:08:38,663 --> 00:08:40,039 Put a call in, please? 145 00:09:11,468 --> 00:09:13,636 Where were you? I was worried. 146 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,248 Sorry, my car's in the shop. 147 00:09:15,273 --> 00:09:17,122 I had to wait for Patrick to give me a ride. 148 00:09:17,557 --> 00:09:20,935 - Patrick? - Yeah, you know, from my psych class. 149 00:09:30,570 --> 00:09:32,030 These used to be cold. 150 00:09:32,113 --> 00:09:34,199 - Put ice in it. - Gross. 151 00:09:34,282 --> 00:09:36,201 Here, I'll stick it in the freezer. 152 00:09:36,576 --> 00:09:38,369 Remember the last time you did that? 153 00:09:39,037 --> 00:09:40,330 Okay, Dad. 154 00:09:41,790 --> 00:09:42,916 I would've picked you up. 155 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:46,503 At school? No, it's way too far out of your way. 156 00:09:47,921 --> 00:09:49,380 So what happened to your car? 157 00:09:50,006 --> 00:09:52,550 Uh... maintenance. 158 00:09:52,634 --> 00:09:55,261 You, Debbie Mitford, took your car in for maintenance? 159 00:09:55,845 --> 00:09:58,556 I've kind of been forgetting to put oil in it. 160 00:09:59,474 --> 00:10:00,475 You seized your engine? 161 00:10:01,226 --> 00:10:02,352 Something like that. 162 00:10:03,228 --> 00:10:06,064 The guys at the shop gave me enough grief, so you don't have to. 163 00:10:06,147 --> 00:10:07,941 I don't think I can not give you grief. 164 00:10:08,024 --> 00:10:10,318 My dad used to remind me to change my oil. 165 00:10:10,401 --> 00:10:11,611 Maybe you could do the same. 166 00:10:11,694 --> 00:10:13,071 Maybe get Patrick to remind you. 167 00:10:13,488 --> 00:10:15,281 You are so stupid. 168 00:10:15,365 --> 00:10:16,908 - Am I? - Yes. 169 00:10:18,576 --> 00:10:20,578 Why is it so hard to stay mad at you? 170 00:10:20,662 --> 00:10:21,871 I don't know. 171 00:10:22,580 --> 00:10:24,999 Nickels for tickles. 172 00:10:25,583 --> 00:10:29,087 - You don't think it's harmless fun? - No, it's creepy and disgusting. 173 00:10:29,170 --> 00:10:31,290 I would not want any principal touching my kid's feet. 174 00:10:31,965 --> 00:10:35,301 He seems like a good guy. And he's been great for that school. 175 00:10:35,385 --> 00:10:36,970 Did the superintendent talk to him? 176 00:10:37,053 --> 00:10:39,347 I don't know. I should ask. 177 00:10:41,141 --> 00:10:43,781 My cousin had this first grade teacher who would give her a sticker 178 00:10:43,805 --> 00:10:46,855 if she'd let him pinch her cheek. He did it to all the girls. 179 00:10:46,938 --> 00:10:48,239 It only came out years later 180 00:10:48,264 --> 00:10:50,250 that he was pinching some of them in other places. 181 00:10:50,275 --> 00:10:52,402 - Was he ever caught? - No. 182 00:10:52,485 --> 00:10:55,029 She didn't find out until her classmates started comparing notes 183 00:10:55,113 --> 00:10:56,156 at a high school reunion. 184 00:10:56,906 --> 00:10:59,044 Kids won't talk about that stuff when they're little. 185 00:10:59,069 --> 00:11:00,450 They assume the adult is right, 186 00:11:00,475 --> 00:11:02,301 especially if he's an authority figure. 187 00:11:02,390 --> 00:11:03,997 I wonder how many girls he did that to. 188 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,916 Well, he was a teacher for 40 years. 189 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,710 I can't believe it didn't come out. 190 00:11:08,793 --> 00:11:11,296 There were whispers, but by that point he was retired. 191 00:11:11,379 --> 00:11:13,256 It's escalating behavior... 192 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:15,800 just like with Brudos and Roger. 193 00:11:20,179 --> 00:11:22,272 Almost like they can't help themselves. 194 00:11:22,297 --> 00:11:24,708 They've got this... compulsion. 195 00:11:24,767 --> 00:11:27,312 You think Roger is in any way similar to Brudos? 196 00:11:28,396 --> 00:11:30,148 Both of them sure like these. 197 00:11:30,231 --> 00:11:32,191 Looks like somebody else does, too. 198 00:11:34,235 --> 00:11:36,446 I have to go back to Oregon this week. 199 00:11:36,529 --> 00:11:39,032 Nine more rounds with Butterball Brudos. 200 00:11:42,243 --> 00:11:43,453 Listen... 201 00:11:44,037 --> 00:11:46,164 if you need a ride home from school again, 202 00:11:47,582 --> 00:11:48,582 call me. 203 00:11:50,501 --> 00:11:51,501 Okay. 204 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:04,140 Excuse me, Officer. 205 00:12:08,394 --> 00:12:10,480 - Can I help you? - Know Detective Barr? 206 00:12:10,563 --> 00:12:13,775 Staff politics. Women like that are always looking for a pot to stir. 207 00:12:13,858 --> 00:12:15,735 She seemed genuinely concerned. 208 00:12:15,818 --> 00:12:18,404 She wasn't married, as I remember. 209 00:12:18,470 --> 00:12:19,959 What does that have to do with it? 210 00:12:20,073 --> 00:12:21,358 She's got extra energy. 211 00:12:21,866 --> 00:12:23,660 Apparently, some parents are concerned, too. 212 00:12:23,743 --> 00:12:27,372 - She said that, but I never saw them. - Did you follow up at all? 213 00:12:27,455 --> 00:12:30,166 There's no victim. No one's pressing charges. 214 00:12:30,249 --> 00:12:31,626 He's touching kids. 215 00:12:31,709 --> 00:12:33,252 Giving them money for it. 216 00:12:33,336 --> 00:12:36,297 He's tickling kids, that's not a crime. 217 00:12:36,839 --> 00:12:39,175 I can't arrest him unless he does something illegal. 218 00:12:39,259 --> 00:12:40,812 I explained this to Ms. Ebner, 219 00:12:40,859 --> 00:12:42,995 I shouldn't have to explain it to the FBI. 220 00:12:43,513 --> 00:12:46,015 Unless you're gonna start predicting what people do. 221 00:12:47,892 --> 00:12:49,352 May I see the report? 222 00:12:51,688 --> 00:12:54,399 - Why am I reading this? - I thought we might look into it. 223 00:12:54,482 --> 00:12:55,482 A foot tickler? 224 00:12:55,525 --> 00:12:58,403 It could be a form of podophilia... like Brudos. 225 00:12:58,486 --> 00:13:00,613 This guy's a grade school principal with no record. 226 00:13:00,697 --> 00:13:02,991 People are concerned. No one will help them. 227 00:13:03,074 --> 00:13:04,701 - Just one teacher. - No. 228 00:13:05,410 --> 00:13:06,650 I talked to the superintendent. 229 00:13:06,674 --> 00:13:08,913 Some members of the school board have been complaining. 230 00:13:08,997 --> 00:13:11,874 Holden, we have a stack of applications to review. 231 00:13:11,958 --> 00:13:13,584 I don't see your stack getting shorter. 232 00:13:13,668 --> 00:13:16,754 - I looked at them, all "nos." - No as in, don't even interview? 233 00:13:16,838 --> 00:13:19,215 - They're greenhorns. - So were you. 234 00:13:19,298 --> 00:13:21,718 We mainly need someone to take over transcribing. 235 00:13:21,801 --> 00:13:23,678 They're all gunning to talk to lust murderers. 236 00:13:23,761 --> 00:13:25,471 They bring nothing to the table. 237 00:13:26,180 --> 00:13:27,180 Tell Wendy. 238 00:13:28,391 --> 00:13:29,517 Okay. 239 00:13:34,981 --> 00:13:36,024 How's this? 240 00:13:42,613 --> 00:13:44,449 Want me to take us to the airport tomorrow? 241 00:13:44,532 --> 00:13:47,660 I decided last night. I'm not going. 242 00:13:47,744 --> 00:13:49,996 - What? - I'm not going back to Oregon. 243 00:13:50,079 --> 00:13:52,165 You expect me to interview Brudos alone? 244 00:13:52,248 --> 00:13:53,291 If you want. 245 00:13:53,374 --> 00:13:55,793 But we were just getting him to open up. 246 00:13:55,877 --> 00:13:57,128 That's why I'm not going. 247 00:13:57,211 --> 00:13:59,005 When did you get so fragile? 248 00:14:01,007 --> 00:14:03,676 Bill... I do not want to do this alone. 249 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,429 So don't. We have a ton of material from last time. 250 00:14:06,512 --> 00:14:07,638 Not nearly enough. 251 00:14:07,722 --> 00:14:09,535 I just came up with a whole new strategy. 252 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:10,788 Go for it. 253 00:14:11,851 --> 00:14:13,394 You're really not coming. 254 00:14:14,228 --> 00:14:15,438 I'm really not coming. 255 00:14:16,238 --> 00:14:18,708 Okay. Then I'll just show him that one of us 256 00:14:18,733 --> 00:14:20,426 isn't a big, fat, fucking pussy. 257 00:14:21,194 --> 00:14:23,529 Yeah. Show him that. 258 00:14:53,226 --> 00:14:54,226 Hi. 259 00:14:56,229 --> 00:14:58,314 - Something wrong? - I can't close my recorder. 260 00:14:58,398 --> 00:14:59,524 Give it to me. 261 00:15:00,441 --> 00:15:01,484 Thank you. 262 00:15:02,318 --> 00:15:03,736 I'm pretty handy. 263 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:09,659 I'm one of the only... inmates 264 00:15:09,742 --> 00:15:12,203 they allow in hobby shop. 265 00:15:12,286 --> 00:15:13,329 Really? 266 00:15:13,413 --> 00:15:16,749 Yeah. I can use scissors under supervision. 267 00:15:17,917 --> 00:15:19,544 Leather boring tools. 268 00:15:19,627 --> 00:15:21,963 The parole board should really take that into account. 269 00:15:22,046 --> 00:15:24,298 - And we're live. - Okay. 270 00:15:24,382 --> 00:15:26,050 So, uh, today... 271 00:15:26,801 --> 00:15:29,178 - I'd like to pick up with things... - Where's Bill? 272 00:15:30,721 --> 00:15:33,057 - He couldn't be here this time. - Did I scare him off? 273 00:15:33,141 --> 00:15:34,183 No. Uh... 274 00:15:34,267 --> 00:15:36,352 We're doing some hiring back at the office. 275 00:15:36,436 --> 00:15:37,854 Fresh meat for the mill? 276 00:15:38,980 --> 00:15:40,857 That's exactly right. 277 00:15:43,901 --> 00:15:45,153 Bill, I miss you. 278 00:15:45,611 --> 00:15:47,029 Please come back. 279 00:15:50,366 --> 00:15:51,927 Okay. I'd like to take it 280 00:15:51,952 --> 00:15:53,626 from the murder of the second girl, Jane Weber. 281 00:15:53,651 --> 00:15:54,679 Okay. 282 00:15:54,704 --> 00:15:57,123 Her car broke down on the highway, you pulled over. 283 00:15:57,206 --> 00:15:59,459 - Yeah, helped her out. - How did you help her? 284 00:15:59,959 --> 00:16:02,211 Said, "Let's go home, we'll call a mechanic." 285 00:16:02,795 --> 00:16:04,380 - Home to your house? - Yeah. 286 00:16:04,464 --> 00:16:07,633 - Did you call the mechanic? - Didn't get that far. 287 00:16:08,153 --> 00:16:09,153 Why not? 288 00:16:09,177 --> 00:16:11,179 She was interested in my photography. 289 00:16:12,597 --> 00:16:14,849 - Did she also want to be a model? - Yeah. 290 00:16:15,391 --> 00:16:17,643 Funny how all these girls you met wanted that. 291 00:16:17,727 --> 00:16:19,812 Women like men to pay attention to 'em. 292 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:21,731 So, did you... 293 00:16:22,690 --> 00:16:25,234 - Invited her to the garage. - Mm-hmm. 294 00:16:25,318 --> 00:16:27,153 - Took some photos... - What kind of photos? 295 00:16:27,236 --> 00:16:28,654 You know, headshots. 296 00:16:29,947 --> 00:16:31,824 Right. And after these headshots... 297 00:16:31,908 --> 00:16:33,743 She decided to walk home. 298 00:16:34,702 --> 00:16:36,454 And that's the last you saw of her. 299 00:16:36,537 --> 00:16:38,581 Last anyone saw of her, as far as I remember. 300 00:16:39,373 --> 00:16:41,413 Her body was found in the Willamette River 301 00:16:41,438 --> 00:16:42,901 tied to an auto transmission 302 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:44,170 to weigh it down. 303 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:47,131 The transmission was traced back to a car that you owned. 304 00:16:47,215 --> 00:16:48,341 Yeah, I know. 305 00:16:50,468 --> 00:16:51,511 You have any smokes? 306 00:16:52,595 --> 00:16:53,596 Yeah. 307 00:16:54,472 --> 00:16:56,891 So was that all part of the police plot? 308 00:16:56,974 --> 00:16:58,017 Oh, yeah. 309 00:16:58,518 --> 00:17:01,938 The transmission, the photos, the foot... all of it. 310 00:17:04,482 --> 00:17:05,566 Well... 311 00:17:06,901 --> 00:17:08,778 someone killed those girls. 312 00:17:09,654 --> 00:17:11,989 Yeah, I know. I have a whole theory about that. 313 00:17:12,573 --> 00:17:13,574 Really? 314 00:17:14,116 --> 00:17:15,116 Let's hear it. 315 00:17:15,159 --> 00:17:19,288 Well... these girls are disappearing. 316 00:17:19,372 --> 00:17:21,791 Body parts showing up in the river. Police get involved. 317 00:17:21,874 --> 00:17:24,877 The killer realizes things are heating up and splits. 318 00:17:25,336 --> 00:17:30,216 Probably chopping up girls in Seattle, Idaho, Canada, as we speak. 319 00:17:30,299 --> 00:17:32,260 Meanwhile, they need to blame someone. 320 00:17:32,677 --> 00:17:34,595 They catch me sniffing around some coeds. 321 00:17:34,679 --> 00:17:36,347 I'm not saying I'm an angel. 322 00:17:36,472 --> 00:17:38,432 Search my house, find a few pairs of shoes, 323 00:17:38,516 --> 00:17:41,018 decide I'm their fall guy. 324 00:17:42,019 --> 00:17:45,273 Everyone feels safe, DA gets re-elected, yada yada yada. 325 00:17:46,399 --> 00:17:49,485 It is a pretty big coincidence that you met a couple of the girls 326 00:17:49,569 --> 00:17:50,736 that became his victims. 327 00:17:50,820 --> 00:17:52,029 Huge coincidence. 328 00:17:54,198 --> 00:17:57,285 Do you think that he... planned his attacks? 329 00:18:00,413 --> 00:18:03,291 Maybe the first one fell into his lap, 330 00:18:03,833 --> 00:18:07,962 but then maybe after that, he got a taste for it. 331 00:18:08,045 --> 00:18:10,631 Oh. Now that's interesting. 332 00:18:10,715 --> 00:18:13,509 Because there were no photos of the first girl, right? 333 00:18:15,303 --> 00:18:18,139 But the other three, it was like he was prepared. 334 00:18:20,016 --> 00:18:23,811 Do you think that even before the first one, 335 00:18:23,894 --> 00:18:26,731 he fantasized about murdering a woman? 336 00:18:26,814 --> 00:18:27,940 Definitely. 337 00:18:29,609 --> 00:18:31,360 What do you think he fantasized about? 338 00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:35,740 Choking them, chopping them up, all that stuff they said I did. 339 00:18:36,657 --> 00:18:40,703 So the murders were just an extension of thoughts he already had, 340 00:18:40,786 --> 00:18:42,038 maybe for a long time. 341 00:18:42,121 --> 00:18:44,624 You'd have to think about it pretty hard to go through with it. 342 00:18:44,707 --> 00:18:47,668 You'd have to be... driven. 343 00:18:47,752 --> 00:18:49,295 You mean like, out of control? 344 00:18:49,879 --> 00:18:53,883 Maybe his real life was out of control, but his fantasy life was... 345 00:18:53,966 --> 00:18:57,470 A... place where he could feel powerful. 346 00:18:57,553 --> 00:18:59,305 - Makes sense. - But then why... 347 00:19:01,265 --> 00:19:02,391 For example... 348 00:19:03,809 --> 00:19:05,895 Laura Sullivan was hit from behind. 349 00:19:05,978 --> 00:19:08,564 Jane Weber was choked from behind. 350 00:19:09,523 --> 00:19:11,150 Why would he do it that way? 351 00:19:13,194 --> 00:19:14,945 Didn't want them looking at him? 352 00:19:16,113 --> 00:19:17,114 Why not? 353 00:19:18,032 --> 00:19:21,452 It might not have been about watching them die. 354 00:19:21,535 --> 00:19:24,580 You know, because then he would have tortured them, right? 355 00:19:24,955 --> 00:19:28,584 It might just been about having them quiet. 356 00:19:30,378 --> 00:19:33,130 So that he could play with them? 357 00:19:33,214 --> 00:19:36,342 Like you'd play with a doll? 358 00:19:36,842 --> 00:19:40,513 Yeah, there were all these photos of 'em in different positions. 359 00:19:40,596 --> 00:19:42,264 - Have intercourse with them? - Sure. 360 00:19:42,348 --> 00:19:45,059 But then he played with some of them before they died, as well. 361 00:19:45,142 --> 00:19:47,323 Kathy Schmidt was photographed 362 00:19:47,348 --> 00:19:49,421 in a piece of lingerie that was not hers. 363 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,190 Oh, she probably liked that. 364 00:19:51,732 --> 00:19:54,193 Well, she was kidnapped from a parking garage. 365 00:19:54,276 --> 00:19:56,070 How do you know she was kidnapped? 366 00:19:56,404 --> 00:19:58,072 You think she went willingly? 367 00:19:59,407 --> 00:20:01,617 All I'm saying is, all the women I meet... 368 00:20:02,201 --> 00:20:03,327 Want to be models. 369 00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:08,165 So do you think that with Kathy Schmidt it was consensual, 370 00:20:08,249 --> 00:20:11,377 she didn't realize that she was going to be killed? 371 00:20:12,420 --> 00:20:14,463 She may have been getting the feeling, you know. 372 00:20:14,547 --> 00:20:17,925 I mean, he may have made it clear at a certain point 373 00:20:18,008 --> 00:20:21,512 that she needed to take the pictures if she wanted him to let her go. 374 00:20:22,638 --> 00:20:24,682 - She was playing along. - Yeah. 375 00:20:26,225 --> 00:20:27,977 Do you think the killer enjoyed that, too? 376 00:20:28,978 --> 00:20:31,188 He might've thought that's what you get. 377 00:20:31,647 --> 00:20:34,817 That's what you get when you want to be a model? 378 00:20:35,735 --> 00:20:37,862 When you want people to look at you. 379 00:20:42,116 --> 00:20:44,952 Do you think that the killer found it exciting to, uh... 380 00:20:45,786 --> 00:20:49,123 get some of that control back in his real life? 381 00:20:49,206 --> 00:20:50,374 Oh, yeah. 382 00:20:50,458 --> 00:20:52,168 Probably made him want more. 383 00:20:53,544 --> 00:20:55,671 After he got a taste for it, like you said. 384 00:20:55,755 --> 00:20:57,339 After he got a taste. 385 00:20:59,133 --> 00:21:02,303 I guess... we all have fantasies, don't we? 386 00:21:03,137 --> 00:21:05,598 I can remember my first fantasy of girls. 387 00:21:07,141 --> 00:21:08,141 What, um... 388 00:21:10,311 --> 00:21:11,854 What was your first fantasy? 389 00:21:11,937 --> 00:21:13,689 Oh... 390 00:21:15,024 --> 00:21:17,359 Must have been... nine or ten. 391 00:21:19,403 --> 00:21:22,281 There was a woman in a tunnel. I'd trapped her there. 392 00:21:24,074 --> 00:21:27,369 She was like this white shape in the darkness. 393 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:29,705 I made her do things. 394 00:21:30,581 --> 00:21:33,250 At that point, there wasn't even anything sexual about it. 395 00:21:33,334 --> 00:21:35,002 I just remember her... 396 00:21:36,003 --> 00:21:40,174 begging for... mercy. 397 00:21:43,177 --> 00:21:45,054 Do you still have fantasies, Jerry? 398 00:21:48,808 --> 00:21:50,309 No. I don't. 399 00:21:51,685 --> 00:21:53,479 Tell the parole board that. 400 00:21:58,526 --> 00:22:00,528 Day three, he takes the stand. 401 00:22:00,611 --> 00:22:02,488 Now we knew he was lying, 402 00:22:02,571 --> 00:22:04,323 but it could've gone either way 403 00:22:04,406 --> 00:22:06,617 because he had two other Klansmen to back him up. 404 00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:09,078 So after lunch, I waited for cross-examination. 405 00:22:09,161 --> 00:22:11,205 I slide right behind his girlfriend. 406 00:22:11,288 --> 00:22:13,457 I drape my arm across the back of her bench, 407 00:22:13,541 --> 00:22:15,417 I lean in real close, so, uh... 408 00:22:19,171 --> 00:22:20,673 The guy's eyes bug out. 409 00:22:20,756 --> 00:22:23,551 He starts stammering, he comes completely unglued, 410 00:22:23,634 --> 00:22:25,719 - and we get a conviction. - Amazing. 411 00:22:25,803 --> 00:22:28,222 - Thirteen years. - That is great. 412 00:22:28,305 --> 00:22:29,682 Great stories, Jim. 413 00:22:30,307 --> 00:22:31,934 So nice to meet you. 414 00:22:32,017 --> 00:22:33,894 Thanks for coming all the way up from Atlanta. 415 00:22:33,978 --> 00:22:35,854 Word is out y'all are onto something big. 416 00:22:35,879 --> 00:22:37,626 I couldn't wait to see for myself. 417 00:22:37,651 --> 00:22:39,177 I hope we lived up to the hype. 418 00:22:39,202 --> 00:22:40,787 Oh, you surpassed it. 419 00:22:42,111 --> 00:22:45,072 We have to meet a few more people, but we can let you know soon. 420 00:22:45,155 --> 00:22:47,950 I'll say it one more time, I'd love to join the team. 421 00:22:48,033 --> 00:22:50,202 - We'd love to have you. - Thank you. 422 00:22:59,461 --> 00:23:00,629 He's black. 423 00:23:00,713 --> 00:23:02,006 Nothing gets past you. 424 00:23:02,631 --> 00:23:05,134 He's our best candidate. I think we should hire him. 425 00:23:05,224 --> 00:23:06,897 Our list of potential subjects are 426 00:23:06,922 --> 00:23:09,461 80, 90 percent white and probably racist. 427 00:23:09,513 --> 00:23:10,764 Does that mean no? 428 00:23:10,848 --> 00:23:13,392 He could incite a response that affects the study. 429 00:23:13,475 --> 00:23:14,560 That means no. 430 00:23:15,352 --> 00:23:18,355 Don't put that on his assessment. We can't be seen as racists. 431 00:23:18,439 --> 00:23:20,316 I thought our newbies would be transcribing. 432 00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:21,399 Did Brudos behave? 433 00:23:22,484 --> 00:23:23,736 He was almost pleasant. 434 00:23:24,278 --> 00:23:26,447 Seems repeat visits are important. 435 00:23:27,364 --> 00:23:29,950 Did you confide in him about your cum sock? 436 00:23:30,826 --> 00:23:33,329 Our new team member will train with transcription, 437 00:23:33,412 --> 00:23:36,040 but we're looking for someone that has operations experience 438 00:23:36,123 --> 00:23:38,334 so that we can expand our subjects' interviews. 439 00:23:38,417 --> 00:23:40,961 - Especially if Bill keeps wussing out. - Stop whining. 440 00:23:41,629 --> 00:23:42,755 How many have you seen? 441 00:23:42,838 --> 00:23:45,758 Oh, I didn't think you were interested in the process. 442 00:23:47,259 --> 00:23:50,095 Well, look, the gang's all here. Come in. 443 00:23:50,179 --> 00:23:52,931 This is Gregg Smith, he's one of your candidates. 444 00:23:53,015 --> 00:23:55,934 Gregg's done a lot of work in the field, he's a talented agent. 445 00:23:56,018 --> 00:23:58,854 His dad and I studied pre-law together at Dartmouth. 446 00:23:59,647 --> 00:24:01,357 I hope you give him a good shake. 447 00:24:09,490 --> 00:24:14,119 It's dark and all I see is his knuckles gripping the stock, 448 00:24:14,203 --> 00:24:17,247 and he's yelling, "Halt! Police! Drop the gun!" 449 00:24:17,708 --> 00:24:20,294 I realize this guy is about to shoot me. 450 00:24:20,319 --> 00:24:21,512 Whoa. 451 00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:24,713 And then I hear Mike yell, "He's an FBI agent!" 452 00:24:25,506 --> 00:24:26,674 He saved my life. 453 00:24:27,508 --> 00:24:29,760 Because I was frozen, I couldn't speak. 454 00:24:29,843 --> 00:24:32,930 Uniform lowers his shotgun, and we take off again after the driver. 455 00:24:33,013 --> 00:24:36,100 Mike catches him and nearly beats the flimflam out of him 456 00:24:36,183 --> 00:24:39,269 because he's so keyed up after watching me almost get blown away. 457 00:24:39,353 --> 00:24:42,564 I had to pull him off the guy. But anyway... 458 00:24:43,732 --> 00:24:44,732 a great partner. 459 00:24:44,775 --> 00:24:48,195 Well, you did your partner a good deed. I bet he's grateful. 460 00:24:48,278 --> 00:24:52,282 The guys call me "The Padre" and they come to confession at my desk. 461 00:24:52,366 --> 00:24:53,701 You Catholic? 462 00:24:54,702 --> 00:24:56,662 My mother's Catholic, my father's Quaker. 463 00:24:56,745 --> 00:24:58,622 - No shit. - How does that work? 464 00:24:59,206 --> 00:25:01,875 Our family joke was that we'd never run out of guilt or oats. 465 00:25:01,959 --> 00:25:03,961 Are you religious? 466 00:25:04,044 --> 00:25:05,546 - Yes, ma'am. - Dr. Carr. 467 00:25:06,338 --> 00:25:07,338 Doctor. Yes. 468 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,385 I have to admit that as a kid I leaned toward the drama of the Church. 469 00:25:11,468 --> 00:25:13,637 The organ, the incense, 470 00:25:13,721 --> 00:25:15,973 Jesus rising from the dead Easter morning. 471 00:25:16,056 --> 00:25:18,267 Do you believe that Jesus rose from the dead? 472 00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:20,978 I am Christian. So is my wife. 473 00:25:21,562 --> 00:25:23,689 She's Catholic. We've already got two little girls. 474 00:25:23,772 --> 00:25:25,858 We're trying to slow-play the whole big family thing. 475 00:25:25,941 --> 00:25:27,359 Good and evil, right and wrong? 476 00:25:27,443 --> 00:25:29,036 Are these concepts that you believe in? 477 00:25:29,061 --> 00:25:30,470 Yes, I do. 478 00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:32,823 Binary thinking could hamstring you 479 00:25:32,906 --> 00:25:35,367 when it comes to critical assessment of our subjects. 480 00:25:35,451 --> 00:25:37,453 We need to understand the gray areas. 481 00:25:37,536 --> 00:25:41,540 The world is complex, I get that. I can check my judgment at the door. 482 00:25:41,623 --> 00:25:43,316 The people we work with have done things 483 00:25:43,341 --> 00:25:44,984 that you don't even want to imagine. 484 00:25:45,023 --> 00:25:46,509 I've read some of your cases. 485 00:25:46,534 --> 00:25:48,003 It's one thing to read about it. 486 00:25:48,046 --> 00:25:49,641 It's another to sit three feet away 487 00:25:49,666 --> 00:25:51,199 from a guy who's delighted to tell you 488 00:25:51,258 --> 00:25:53,927 how hard it was to stick his dick in his mother's neck 489 00:25:54,011 --> 00:25:55,345 after he sawed off her head. 490 00:25:57,598 --> 00:25:59,516 What made you apply for the study? 491 00:26:00,934 --> 00:26:01,934 My daughters. 492 00:26:03,061 --> 00:26:05,189 When I hear about girls disappearing... 493 00:26:06,106 --> 00:26:07,672 This may sound corny, but I want to make 494 00:26:07,697 --> 00:26:09,425 the world a safer place for them. 495 00:26:10,068 --> 00:26:13,405 He's smart. He's a family guy. He knows what's at stake. 496 00:26:13,489 --> 00:26:16,742 Ugh! He's got you wrapped around his little Ivy League finger. 497 00:26:16,825 --> 00:26:18,869 - You think it's an act? - He's a mole for Shepard. 498 00:26:18,952 --> 00:26:20,272 - Come on. - I'm serious. 499 00:26:20,296 --> 00:26:22,372 When's the last time Shepard came down here? 500 00:26:22,456 --> 00:26:25,667 He's trying to make sure we're not smearing the good name of the FBI. 501 00:26:25,751 --> 00:26:27,586 Don't kid yourself. We need Shepard. 502 00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:31,131 His heart's in the right place. I think Agent Smith is earnest. 503 00:26:31,215 --> 00:26:34,426 - And that's a good thing? - What about a trial period? 504 00:26:34,510 --> 00:26:36,762 To see if we can beat the flimflam out of him? 505 00:27:48,709 --> 00:27:49,835 What's going on? 506 00:27:50,961 --> 00:27:52,170 Just seeing what he can take. 507 00:27:53,130 --> 00:27:56,008 - What do you got him on? - Bittaker and Norris. 508 00:27:57,467 --> 00:27:59,420 Are you trying to get rid of this guy? 509 00:27:59,540 --> 00:28:01,437 So listen. This thing with Roger Wade... 510 00:28:01,462 --> 00:28:02,503 Who? 511 00:28:02,528 --> 00:28:04,435 The principal at Shady Lane Elementary. 512 00:28:04,743 --> 00:28:05,743 The foot tickler? 513 00:28:05,767 --> 00:28:08,487 After I talked to the superintendent, the school board had a meeting. 514 00:28:08,570 --> 00:28:11,323 - You've got to be kidding. - They're begging us to look into it. 515 00:28:11,406 --> 00:28:13,358 - They're begging? - They're... asking. 516 00:28:13,442 --> 00:28:15,102 Our LEAA review is coming up, 517 00:28:15,128 --> 00:28:16,623 what are you still doing on this goose chase? 518 00:28:16,648 --> 00:28:19,615 Gregg can finish the paperwork. Let's give this a day. 519 00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:22,459 - There are meaningful signs here. - You're not dragging me into this. 520 00:28:22,534 --> 00:28:24,734 What's the point if we don't apply it to the real world? 521 00:28:24,786 --> 00:28:26,499 We're trying to save women from getting 522 00:28:26,524 --> 00:28:28,606 pulled into vans and cut to pieces, 523 00:28:28,665 --> 00:28:31,209 not crucify some schoolmarm who hasn't done anything. 524 00:28:31,293 --> 00:28:34,463 Yet. Certainly our goal is to be preemptive. 525 00:28:35,255 --> 00:28:37,883 We're the FBI, Holden. That is not our goal. 526 00:28:38,675 --> 00:28:39,675 Yet. 527 00:28:52,064 --> 00:28:53,064 So... 528 00:28:54,608 --> 00:28:56,026 still want this job? 529 00:28:57,069 --> 00:29:00,197 The students certainly don't complain. They enjoy the contact. 530 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,075 Yes, but as you said to me when I was here before, 531 00:29:03,158 --> 00:29:04,878 it might be best for parents to determine... 532 00:29:04,902 --> 00:29:06,662 We are a community. 533 00:29:06,745 --> 00:29:08,997 And I want the children to know that. 534 00:29:09,081 --> 00:29:10,624 In the five years that I've been here, 535 00:29:10,707 --> 00:29:13,335 their test scores have gone up almost 30 percent. 536 00:29:13,418 --> 00:29:15,462 And it's not because I'm a strict disciplinarian, 537 00:29:15,545 --> 00:29:18,131 or I pile on the homework, or I cut recess. 538 00:29:18,715 --> 00:29:22,427 It is because I apply a personal touch. 539 00:29:22,928 --> 00:29:25,639 - These children matter to me. - That is quite clear. 540 00:29:25,722 --> 00:29:29,101 We have special games, sports, 541 00:29:29,184 --> 00:29:31,853 art projects, teamwork activities. 542 00:29:31,937 --> 00:29:34,731 I am teaching happiness. 543 00:29:34,815 --> 00:29:37,651 With all of that, why the need to tickle? 544 00:29:38,485 --> 00:29:40,404 All right, let me give you an example. 545 00:29:41,154 --> 00:29:43,198 We had this child, six years old, 546 00:29:43,282 --> 00:29:45,617 who said he sprained his ankle playing kickball 547 00:29:45,701 --> 00:29:47,536 and didn't want to go to class. 548 00:29:47,619 --> 00:29:50,914 The nurse calls me down because his ankle is not swollen, 549 00:29:50,998 --> 00:29:52,708 but he's still claiming that it hurts. 550 00:29:52,791 --> 00:29:55,919 Now... I don't want to call him a liar. 551 00:29:56,837 --> 00:29:59,464 So, I wiggle his big toe. 552 00:30:00,173 --> 00:30:02,384 Does it hurt when this little piggy goes to market? 553 00:30:03,302 --> 00:30:07,055 How about when this little piggy stays home? He smiles. 554 00:30:07,139 --> 00:30:09,599 He says that it tickles. So I tickle his feet. 555 00:30:09,683 --> 00:30:12,269 The next thing I know, he's laughing. 556 00:30:12,352 --> 00:30:15,314 He's happy, he goes back to class. 557 00:30:15,397 --> 00:30:18,108 - Did you also give him a nickel? - I'm sure I did. 558 00:30:18,191 --> 00:30:21,028 So the next time he goes to the store, he can get himself... 559 00:30:21,361 --> 00:30:23,189 What can you get for a nickel these days? 560 00:30:23,214 --> 00:30:24,323 A piece of bubble gum? 561 00:30:24,348 --> 00:30:25,432 Exactly. 562 00:30:26,533 --> 00:30:29,411 Agent Ford, you're blowing this out of proportion. 563 00:30:29,911 --> 00:30:31,695 We need to work on your interview technique. 564 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,308 Sorry, was I supposed to be hard on him? 565 00:30:33,333 --> 00:30:34,684 You shouldn't team up. 566 00:30:36,043 --> 00:30:38,628 Did you think that "piggy goes to market" stuff was weird? 567 00:30:38,712 --> 00:30:41,006 Oh, my kids love "Piggy Goes to the Market." 568 00:30:41,089 --> 00:30:44,009 - Yeah, your kids love it from you. - A tickle's a tickle. 569 00:30:45,844 --> 00:30:47,804 Maybe that's all it is, but... 570 00:30:49,014 --> 00:30:53,518 if there is a sexual angle, Roger would no doubt be good at hiding it. 571 00:30:54,436 --> 00:30:56,636 When Kemper went in for his last psychiatric evaluation, 572 00:30:56,688 --> 00:30:59,941 he had a 15-year-old girl's head in the trunk of his car. 573 00:31:00,817 --> 00:31:03,570 It gave him a thrill to persuade the committee successfully 574 00:31:03,653 --> 00:31:05,447 that he was over his psychological problems, 575 00:31:05,530 --> 00:31:07,157 knowing that he had a trophy outside. 576 00:31:08,241 --> 00:31:09,618 Isn't that kind of extreme? 577 00:31:09,701 --> 00:31:12,120 You get the idea. 578 00:31:15,582 --> 00:31:19,086 I'm glad Janet finally did something. Someone had to. 579 00:31:19,169 --> 00:31:21,254 So you don't approve of Roger's behavior? 580 00:31:21,338 --> 00:31:24,049 I've always thought that tickling was bizarre enough, 581 00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:26,259 but I get parents coming to me, 582 00:31:26,343 --> 00:31:28,929 asking why their children suddenly have pocket change. 583 00:31:29,012 --> 00:31:30,680 How long has this gone on for? 584 00:31:30,764 --> 00:31:32,641 I've only been at Shady Lane two years. 585 00:31:32,724 --> 00:31:34,810 It sounds like it goes back further than that. 586 00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:37,270 Why are parents complaining to you? Why not go to Roger? 587 00:31:37,354 --> 00:31:39,516 He brushes them off, he's unapologetic, 588 00:31:39,541 --> 00:31:41,424 and he's a big deal around here. 589 00:31:42,067 --> 00:31:44,528 I agreed to meet with you so I could share my thoughts, 590 00:31:44,611 --> 00:31:46,321 but I hope it doesn't get back to him. 591 00:31:46,405 --> 00:31:48,698 - You think he'd retaliate? - I don't know. 592 00:31:48,782 --> 00:31:51,493 It's a small school, everyone seems to know about the tickling. 593 00:31:51,576 --> 00:31:53,870 How do the children respond to his tickling? 594 00:31:53,954 --> 00:31:55,205 They endure it. 595 00:31:55,288 --> 00:31:57,249 They know they're going to get paid. 596 00:31:57,582 --> 00:31:59,376 I have students coming back from his office, 597 00:31:59,459 --> 00:32:01,128 showing off their earnings. 598 00:32:01,211 --> 00:32:03,463 What did you think of Roger when you first came here, 599 00:32:03,547 --> 00:32:05,173 before you knew about this? 600 00:32:06,174 --> 00:32:07,676 I thought he was smug. 601 00:32:08,385 --> 00:32:10,971 I transferred because I heard how great this place is, 602 00:32:11,054 --> 00:32:13,473 but then that's all he talks about. 603 00:32:13,557 --> 00:32:15,434 He really toots his own horn. 604 00:32:15,892 --> 00:32:18,145 The teachers are supposed to be cheerleaders. 605 00:32:18,353 --> 00:32:21,398 And I've always been uncomfortable with how he handles the children. 606 00:32:21,481 --> 00:32:24,192 - What do you mean? - He's always fussing over them. 607 00:32:24,276 --> 00:32:25,152 "Fussing"? 608 00:32:25,235 --> 00:32:28,363 Well, it's always touchy-touchy and cutesey-cutesey. 609 00:32:29,281 --> 00:32:31,950 Mrs. Clark, could you make a list of parents and teachers 610 00:32:32,033 --> 00:32:33,452 that feel the same way? 611 00:32:34,202 --> 00:32:35,537 We're meeting with a handful, 612 00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:38,206 but we'd like to get a sense of the whole picture. 613 00:32:40,041 --> 00:32:41,209 Is something wrong? 614 00:32:41,293 --> 00:32:44,379 I don't want a witch hunt. I'm not vindictive. 615 00:32:44,921 --> 00:32:46,381 I just wish he'd listen. 616 00:32:46,923 --> 00:32:48,383 The students love Roger. 617 00:32:48,467 --> 00:32:51,887 When he visits the class, I know it's going to be an easier day. 618 00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:55,307 He can turn a moody room into an eager one just by walking in. 619 00:32:55,390 --> 00:32:57,017 You've heard about the tickling? 620 00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:58,435 Of course. 621 00:32:58,518 --> 00:33:00,718 When my kids come back from his office, they seem happy. 622 00:33:00,742 --> 00:33:01,855 What do you think about it? 623 00:33:01,938 --> 00:33:02,939 It's wonderful. 624 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,275 He turns punishment into play. 625 00:33:05,358 --> 00:33:07,319 He makes it a positive experience. 626 00:33:07,402 --> 00:33:08,908 Nothing could be better for them. 627 00:33:08,933 --> 00:33:10,804 Have you had any parent complaints? 628 00:33:10,864 --> 00:33:14,743 The parents I've talked to are thrilled. Except about property taxes. 629 00:33:14,826 --> 00:33:17,370 Shady Lane has made this a desirable neighborhood. 630 00:33:18,121 --> 00:33:19,623 What do you think of Janet Ebner? 631 00:33:20,749 --> 00:33:24,252 Well, I don't like to speak ill of people, but she's a busybody. 632 00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:26,838 What do you think of Mrs. Clark? 633 00:33:26,922 --> 00:33:27,922 She's a crab. 634 00:33:29,758 --> 00:33:32,135 Okay. I think that's all we need. 635 00:33:33,845 --> 00:33:35,605 - Thank you for talking with us. - Thank you. 636 00:33:35,629 --> 00:33:37,631 - So nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 637 00:33:39,643 --> 00:33:42,479 He came home from Steve's house and his tongue was blue. 638 00:33:42,979 --> 00:33:46,399 It's not like Steve's mom to give him candy, so I questioned him. 639 00:33:46,483 --> 00:33:48,471 Found out they walked to the corner store 640 00:33:48,496 --> 00:33:50,177 without asking, and bought Pop Rocks. 641 00:33:50,237 --> 00:33:51,821 Boys will be boys. 642 00:33:51,905 --> 00:33:53,114 That's not the point. 643 00:33:54,449 --> 00:33:57,089 We're, uh, in discussions about how much leeway 644 00:33:57,114 --> 00:33:59,019 Jason is allowed at this age. 645 00:33:59,621 --> 00:34:03,708 Anyway, he's evasive when I ask him where he got the money. 646 00:34:03,792 --> 00:34:05,205 So, I call Steve's mom. 647 00:34:05,238 --> 00:34:07,695 She's having the same conversation with her son. 648 00:34:07,754 --> 00:34:09,923 Turns out they got it from Roger. 649 00:34:10,006 --> 00:34:11,341 The principal... 650 00:34:11,424 --> 00:34:13,635 giving them money without telling the parents. 651 00:34:13,718 --> 00:34:15,506 But then we find out, 652 00:34:15,531 --> 00:34:18,163 and this is why Jason wouldn't tell me in the first place, 653 00:34:18,765 --> 00:34:20,605 he and Steve were fighting on the playground... 654 00:34:20,688 --> 00:34:23,008 They were kicking mud at each other, they weren't fighting. 655 00:34:23,066 --> 00:34:26,356 They were fighting, they got sent to Roger's office. 656 00:34:26,439 --> 00:34:30,026 He seats them side by side, makes them take off their shoes and socks, 657 00:34:30,110 --> 00:34:32,862 and does this double tickling thing. 658 00:34:32,946 --> 00:34:35,031 Was Jason uncomfortable with the tickling? 659 00:34:35,115 --> 00:34:37,409 I don't think Jason understood that it was inappropriate. 660 00:34:37,492 --> 00:34:40,662 No, he wasn't uncomfortable. The boys made up again, all buddy-buddy. 661 00:34:40,745 --> 00:34:43,081 But they're nine-year-olds. Almost ten. 662 00:34:43,582 --> 00:34:46,126 I could see it if they were toddlers, if this was preschool. 663 00:34:46,209 --> 00:34:47,669 And then there's the money. 664 00:34:47,752 --> 00:34:50,255 - And you went to Roger? - Yeah. We sat down with him. 665 00:34:50,338 --> 00:34:52,674 He made it sound like we were perverts for even asking. 666 00:34:52,757 --> 00:34:57,304 How dare we deny our boy the, um, affection that he provides? 667 00:34:57,387 --> 00:35:00,223 Something like that. I came away with the strangest feeling. 668 00:35:00,307 --> 00:35:03,685 Yeah, I mean, if you don't want people touching your kid... 669 00:35:03,768 --> 00:35:06,062 A middle-aged man touching your child's feet. 670 00:35:06,146 --> 00:35:08,356 You should be able to tell them stop. 671 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,816 Did you ask him to stop? 672 00:35:09,899 --> 00:35:12,861 - Absolutely. And he said... - Oh, yeah, listen to this. 673 00:35:13,903 --> 00:35:17,157 "My covenant is not with you, it's with your son." 674 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:19,200 "Covenant"? He used that word? 675 00:35:19,284 --> 00:35:20,535 Yes. 676 00:35:20,619 --> 00:35:21,745 Is he religious? 677 00:35:21,828 --> 00:35:23,997 - I don't know. - It's an odd choice. 678 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,290 The whole thing is odd. 679 00:35:28,001 --> 00:35:29,753 What do you think should be done about him? 680 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,464 Well, I thought about suing. 681 00:35:32,881 --> 00:35:35,091 We want to protect Jason, 682 00:35:35,175 --> 00:35:36,635 but we aren't sure. 683 00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:40,347 And he wasn't traumatized. I mean, quite the opposite. 684 00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:42,363 We thought you might have suggestions, 685 00:35:42,419 --> 00:35:44,038 because we don't know what to do. 686 00:35:44,476 --> 00:35:45,560 Yeah, we don't know. 687 00:35:45,644 --> 00:35:47,604 That's the third set of parents who don't like it. 688 00:35:47,628 --> 00:35:49,963 - I guess they should have a say. - I think they should. 689 00:35:50,047 --> 00:35:52,233 But is there anything going on? Is Roger dangerous? 690 00:35:52,317 --> 00:35:54,235 Everyone seems to agree the children don't mind. 691 00:35:54,319 --> 00:35:55,570 What about when one does? 692 00:35:55,654 --> 00:35:58,054 Brudos kept his urges in check until something triggered him. 693 00:35:58,078 --> 00:35:59,866 After that, everything escalated. 694 00:35:59,949 --> 00:36:02,619 - What if a kid decides to resist Roger? - I read the Brudos files. 695 00:36:02,702 --> 00:36:04,310 He had a history of offenses. 696 00:36:04,335 --> 00:36:06,105 I know it's a leap, but there is a correlation. 697 00:36:06,164 --> 00:36:07,903 I don't think Roger can help himself 698 00:36:07,928 --> 00:36:09,650 any more than Brudos could stop killing. 699 00:36:09,675 --> 00:36:11,544 In fact, giving them money might encourage them 700 00:36:11,569 --> 00:36:13,538 to go to his office for "punishment." 701 00:36:14,339 --> 00:36:16,299 - Why don't we ask him to stop? - People have. 702 00:36:16,383 --> 00:36:19,094 Let's tell him then. We're the fucking FBI. 703 00:36:37,737 --> 00:36:39,953 Let's see if Mrs. Lane can 704 00:36:39,978 --> 00:36:42,209 come by in the morning, before school. 705 00:36:42,492 --> 00:36:45,537 It's her first year and I think she's having some trouble 706 00:36:45,620 --> 00:36:46,955 managing her students. 707 00:36:47,038 --> 00:36:48,415 Mr. Wade, can we talk? 708 00:36:49,582 --> 00:36:51,084 And, um, let's make a note 709 00:36:51,167 --> 00:36:53,247 - I've signed off on the lesson plan... - In private? 710 00:36:55,630 --> 00:36:56,631 Thank you. 711 00:37:04,681 --> 00:37:06,516 After speaking with parents and teachers, 712 00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:09,269 we're advising you to stop touching the children. 713 00:37:09,352 --> 00:37:10,353 Advising me? 714 00:37:10,437 --> 00:37:12,237 It's a trivial activity. 715 00:37:12,290 --> 00:37:14,256 Simply stopping will satisfy everyone. 716 00:37:14,315 --> 00:37:15,775 It is not trivial. 717 00:37:15,859 --> 00:37:18,236 Don't make me sound like some stranger in a raincoat. 718 00:37:18,319 --> 00:37:20,199 We're here at the request of the superintendent. 719 00:37:20,223 --> 00:37:21,223 Really? 720 00:37:21,948 --> 00:37:25,660 The superintendent of the schools sent the FBI to advise me 721 00:37:25,744 --> 00:37:27,746 to stop tickling children? 722 00:37:29,164 --> 00:37:30,832 I have been a principal for 15 years. 723 00:37:30,915 --> 00:37:34,794 There hasn't been a shadow on my record until now. How dare you. 724 00:37:35,503 --> 00:37:40,258 How dare you accuse me of being inappropriate with my own students. 725 00:37:40,341 --> 00:37:42,552 We're not accusing you. Some people are uncomfortable. 726 00:37:42,635 --> 00:37:43,636 You are! 727 00:37:44,262 --> 00:37:46,556 You are uncomfortable, Agent Ford. Why is that? 728 00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:49,220 When I was here for Career Day, you asked me to edit my speech. 729 00:37:49,245 --> 00:37:50,634 You were worried how it would affect 730 00:37:50,659 --> 00:37:52,314 the teachers and students. So I did. 731 00:37:52,338 --> 00:37:54,564 I heard your concerns, I followed your advice. 732 00:37:54,647 --> 00:37:56,775 I am advising you to hear the concerns 733 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,383 of your teachers and your school board... 734 00:37:58,443 --> 00:38:00,540 You didn't know what the hell you were doing that day. 735 00:38:00,565 --> 00:38:01,886 You still don't. 736 00:38:02,265 --> 00:38:04,351 "Deviant."Torture."Mutilation." 737 00:38:04,574 --> 00:38:07,827 That is your world, and it has made you paranoid. 738 00:38:07,911 --> 00:38:10,205 That is not my school. 739 00:38:12,791 --> 00:38:13,958 Mr. Wade. 740 00:38:14,626 --> 00:38:16,795 I am telling you this for your own good. 741 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,299 We all have to choose between trust and fear. 742 00:38:21,633 --> 00:38:23,384 If you ever do have children, 743 00:38:23,635 --> 00:38:25,545 I hope that you'll think long and hard 744 00:38:25,570 --> 00:38:27,329 about how you want to raise them. 745 00:38:31,976 --> 00:38:33,394 Did we do the right thing? 746 00:38:34,938 --> 00:38:36,481 Is this a federal issue? 747 00:38:57,460 --> 00:38:58,711 Hey. 748 00:38:58,795 --> 00:39:00,922 You okay? 749 00:39:02,298 --> 00:39:04,175 - What are you doing? - Studying. 750 00:39:05,529 --> 00:39:06,529 Can I come in? 751 00:39:06,553 --> 00:39:07,762 I really need to study. 752 00:39:08,429 --> 00:39:09,430 Okay. 753 00:39:11,432 --> 00:39:14,435 - You really have to leave me alone. - I will. I promise. 754 00:39:15,144 --> 00:39:16,896 You gotta promise-promise. 755 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:01,440 What are you reading? 756 00:40:03,484 --> 00:40:06,404 The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life. 757 00:40:09,365 --> 00:40:11,534 - Sounds interesting. - It is interesting. 758 00:40:13,703 --> 00:40:14,996 - What's it about? - Please. 759 00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:17,290 You promised and I really have to finish this. 760 00:40:21,669 --> 00:40:23,838 It could help to describe what you're learning. 761 00:40:27,467 --> 00:40:28,676 Okay. 762 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,511 It's by Erving Goffman. 763 00:40:30,595 --> 00:40:32,805 He posits that life is like theater. 764 00:40:32,889 --> 00:40:35,433 We tailor ourselves to fit the parts that we're playing. 765 00:40:37,078 --> 00:40:38,078 Meaning? 766 00:40:38,102 --> 00:40:41,147 For instance, there's the expectation that girls should be nice, 767 00:40:41,230 --> 00:40:43,107 - that they should smile. - Okay. 768 00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:47,612 You know, I once tried not smiling for a day, and it was really weird. 769 00:40:48,905 --> 00:40:51,157 Why? You're not much of a smiler. 770 00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:54,869 Even so, it made me feel really odd and it freaked people out. 771 00:40:54,953 --> 00:40:57,413 Strangers kept asking, "Are you okay?" 772 00:40:57,497 --> 00:40:58,548 Did you want to smile? 773 00:40:58,573 --> 00:41:00,816 No. Not once I realized what I was doing. 774 00:41:01,334 --> 00:41:04,712 Goffman says we wear these masks to make everyone else comfortable. 775 00:41:05,838 --> 00:41:06,881 Like you and your suits. 776 00:41:06,965 --> 00:41:08,633 We're not talking about my clothes again. 777 00:41:08,716 --> 00:41:11,594 Your suit is your uniform you wear to fit in at Quantico. 778 00:41:11,678 --> 00:41:14,764 - I don't want to fit in. - Everyone is trying to fit in. 779 00:41:14,847 --> 00:41:16,808 Guess that explains your hippie thing, too. 780 00:41:16,891 --> 00:41:18,851 My "hippie" thing? 781 00:41:18,935 --> 00:41:21,562 Your peasant tops, long hair, bracelets, leather sandals. 782 00:41:21,646 --> 00:41:24,232 - Helps you assimilate on campus. - Right. 783 00:41:24,315 --> 00:41:25,733 It's exactly the same. 784 00:41:25,817 --> 00:41:27,652 What would you wear if no one were looking? 785 00:41:27,735 --> 00:41:30,113 Probably nothing. What about you? 786 00:41:31,572 --> 00:41:34,242 - I'd wear my suit. - So sad. 787 00:41:36,619 --> 00:41:39,580 I wonder if that's why everyone's so confused about Roger. 788 00:41:41,332 --> 00:41:45,503 He's taking an activity normally reserved for family members at home 789 00:41:45,586 --> 00:41:48,256 and applying it to the wrong environment. 790 00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:49,924 I think that's different. 791 00:41:50,008 --> 00:41:52,093 Look, I can't do this right now. 792 00:41:52,176 --> 00:41:54,679 I have to finish because it's my semester project. 793 00:41:54,762 --> 00:41:57,807 We're doing this thing tomorrow night. Come, if you're interested. 794 00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:59,976 Blacking out a room in the Sociology building 795 00:42:00,059 --> 00:42:03,354 so people can interact without actually being able to see each other. 796 00:42:03,438 --> 00:42:05,356 My partner's making up a questionnaire for them 797 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,859 to describe who they think they've met. 798 00:42:08,609 --> 00:42:09,610 Your partner? 799 00:42:10,653 --> 00:42:12,405 Yeah. Patrick. 800 00:42:14,407 --> 00:42:15,575 I see. 801 00:42:16,367 --> 00:42:17,410 Were you assigned? 802 00:42:17,493 --> 00:42:19,787 Well, we're both working on this Goffman book. 803 00:42:19,871 --> 00:42:21,622 Oh, so you just have mutual interests. 804 00:42:22,123 --> 00:42:23,207 I guess so. 805 00:42:23,291 --> 00:42:24,500 Certainly seems like it. 806 00:42:26,169 --> 00:42:28,880 Is this you not smiling as part of your experiment or... 807 00:42:28,963 --> 00:42:31,758 No, this is just me not smiling. 808 00:42:33,134 --> 00:42:34,135 Okay. 809 00:42:42,185 --> 00:42:43,227 Good morning. 810 00:42:44,145 --> 00:42:45,146 Morning. 811 00:42:46,731 --> 00:42:47,899 Shepard wants to see you. 812 00:42:49,275 --> 00:42:50,485 About what? 813 00:42:50,568 --> 00:42:51,903 Your little field trip. 814 00:42:55,448 --> 00:42:56,448 How does he know? 815 00:43:15,009 --> 00:43:17,512 Ah. Agent Ford. 816 00:43:25,019 --> 00:43:28,064 The superintendent asked me to take a look at the situation. 817 00:43:28,147 --> 00:43:31,234 And you said, "Oh, yeah, this is exactly what we do here at the FBI." 818 00:43:31,317 --> 00:43:33,820 I just thought with the correlations to the Brudos case... 819 00:43:33,903 --> 00:43:35,905 - Are you obsessed with feet? - No, sir. 820 00:43:35,988 --> 00:43:38,866 Because that is the only connection I can see. It is a thin one. 821 00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:41,202 There were parents and teachers who were concerned. 822 00:43:41,285 --> 00:43:42,662 I know the whole damn story. 823 00:43:43,121 --> 00:43:44,956 We bumped into each other in the cafeteria. 824 00:43:44,981 --> 00:43:46,600 This is not about how I know, 825 00:43:46,625 --> 00:43:48,316 it is about what the hell were you thinking? 826 00:43:48,376 --> 00:43:50,042 Sir, I thought I would see if the 827 00:43:50,076 --> 00:43:51,403 things we're discovering in the interviews 828 00:43:51,462 --> 00:43:53,256 could apply to real-life situations. 829 00:43:53,346 --> 00:43:54,860 The Bureau does not do that. 830 00:43:54,885 --> 00:43:56,874 We do not get involved until a crime is committed 831 00:43:56,926 --> 00:43:58,678 and has risen to the level of our radar. 832 00:43:58,761 --> 00:44:00,182 With all due respect, 833 00:44:00,207 --> 00:44:03,206 we've helped local law enforcement solve two murder cases. 834 00:44:03,266 --> 00:44:05,786 - In an advisory capacity... - We interviewed suspects. 835 00:44:05,810 --> 00:44:07,687 On cases where there were actual crimes. 836 00:44:07,770 --> 00:44:09,689 I spent a single day on Roger Wade. 837 00:44:09,772 --> 00:44:12,567 I was worried about children. I had to follow my intuition. 838 00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:14,318 - Your what? - Mm... 839 00:44:16,737 --> 00:44:19,115 My intuition started this. I wanted to interview Kemper. 840 00:44:19,198 --> 00:44:21,617 Without me, there would be no study, no funding. 841 00:44:21,707 --> 00:44:23,214 So now you know everything, is that it? 842 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,109 Now you're Superman, with X-ray vision? 843 00:44:25,163 --> 00:44:27,415 No, but I should be allowed a day to... 844 00:44:27,498 --> 00:44:30,251 Predict if someone might commit a crime? 845 00:44:31,460 --> 00:44:33,254 Who are you, the fucking thought police? 846 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,216 Thank you both. 847 00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:38,968 Agent Smith, in your new BSU position, 848 00:44:39,051 --> 00:44:41,611 the last thing you should be following is Agent Ford's intuition. 849 00:44:57,987 --> 00:45:00,448 Surprise, surprise, he had my ass. 850 00:45:00,531 --> 00:45:02,241 - You handed it to him. - Thanks, Bill. 851 00:45:02,325 --> 00:45:05,077 - Don't know what you were thinking. - Apparently, no one does. 852 00:45:05,161 --> 00:45:07,622 We'd like you to ask before you do something like that again. 853 00:45:08,539 --> 00:45:10,700 - What? - Your behavior reflects on us. 854 00:45:10,793 --> 00:45:12,957 You cannot use the study as justification 855 00:45:12,982 --> 00:45:14,527 to launch personal campaigns. 856 00:45:14,587 --> 00:45:16,964 - Is that what you think I'm doing? - I really don't know. 857 00:45:17,048 --> 00:45:20,134 I can't imagine why you would go after a respected school principal 858 00:45:20,217 --> 00:45:21,677 with no history of abuse. 859 00:45:21,761 --> 00:45:24,639 Because you weren't there. Even Gregg saw something wasn't right. 860 00:45:24,722 --> 00:45:26,515 It's an incorrect application of the concepts 861 00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:27,808 that I'm trying to teach you. 862 00:45:27,892 --> 00:45:30,811 - This has nothing to do with concepts. - She's right, Holden. 863 00:45:31,687 --> 00:45:34,607 What if some guy were tickling Brian's feet? 864 00:45:34,690 --> 00:45:36,070 - Don't bring my kid into this. 865 00:45:36,095 --> 00:45:38,343 - Not just some guy, but a guy in power, 866 00:45:38,402 --> 00:45:40,821 the head of the school where he will be for years. 867 00:45:40,905 --> 00:45:43,282 He not only tickles, but gives money for putting up with it. 868 00:45:43,366 --> 00:45:45,409 Do not use my family as an example. 869 00:45:45,493 --> 00:45:48,621 You ask him to stop, he won't. You go to the police, they blow it off. 870 00:45:48,704 --> 00:45:51,582 So it looks like Brian is going to get paid to get his feet tickled, 871 00:45:51,666 --> 00:45:54,001 and who knows what else, and there's nothing you can do. 872 00:45:54,085 --> 00:45:56,712 I'd tell him to take his fucking hands off my kid, 873 00:45:56,796 --> 00:45:59,840 just like I'm telling you to stop using him as an excuse 874 00:45:59,924 --> 00:46:01,467 for your unprofessional behavior. 875 00:47:04,084 --> 00:47:05,571 I heard you could make yourself 876 00:47:05,596 --> 00:47:07,657 start lucid dreaming, so I got this book. 877 00:47:15,249 --> 00:47:16,250 Door! 878 00:47:31,515 --> 00:47:32,951 sort of self-conscious. 879 00:47:32,976 --> 00:47:35,085 I'm just not sure the answer's... 880 00:48:18,521 --> 00:48:19,522 Come on, guys. 881 00:48:22,691 --> 00:48:24,402 Can you close the door, please? 882 00:48:25,528 --> 00:48:26,862 Seriously, man? 883 00:49:51,697 --> 00:49:53,282 Behavioral Science. 884 00:49:53,365 --> 00:49:56,327 - Holden, this is Dan Cobb with the VEA. - Yes, Dan. 885 00:49:56,352 --> 00:49:57,803 I'm sorry to bother you this early, 886 00:49:57,828 --> 00:49:59,825 but... the school board will be meeting today 887 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,416 to make their decision regarding Roger Wade. 888 00:50:02,499 --> 00:50:03,584 What kind of decision? 889 00:50:03,667 --> 00:50:06,625 Well, we're thinking about letting him go. 890 00:50:06,677 --> 00:50:07,782 I see. 891 00:50:07,838 --> 00:50:10,758 We'd like to know if this would be in line with your recommendation. 892 00:50:11,425 --> 00:50:13,385 I really can't make a recommendation. 893 00:50:13,469 --> 00:50:14,887 Yeah, I get that. 894 00:50:14,970 --> 00:50:17,097 To be honest, we've been going in circles. 895 00:50:17,723 --> 00:50:20,517 What troubles me is I believe he's developed a compulsion 896 00:50:20,601 --> 00:50:22,561 that he's justifying as a choice. 897 00:50:22,645 --> 00:50:26,398 Do you believe it's possible he can do something... inappropriate? 898 00:50:26,482 --> 00:50:27,483 Well... 899 00:50:29,241 --> 00:50:31,228 I can't say that his behavior wouldn't escalate 900 00:50:31,253 --> 00:50:32,661 to something more serious. 901 00:50:32,780 --> 00:50:34,698 Right. I see. 902 00:50:34,782 --> 00:50:37,785 Well, it sounds like we should be erring on the side of caution. 903 00:50:40,496 --> 00:50:41,538 I understand. 904 00:50:41,622 --> 00:50:43,895 Okay. Listen, thanks for your time. 905 00:50:57,059 --> 00:51:02,059 synced & corrected by PopcornAWH www.addic7ed.com