1 00:00:06,006 --> 00:00:07,876 How ya doin', Bobby Taylor? 2 00:00:09,051 --> 00:00:12,891 If I ever turned you down seven times for lewd proposals, 3 00:00:12,971 --> 00:00:14,721 I haven't turned you down once. 4 00:00:14,932 --> 00:00:16,062 - Well... - If I were you, Holly, 5 00:00:16,141 --> 00:00:19,651 I'd have taken this man in and had him neutered! 6 00:00:21,063 --> 00:00:22,443 Oh, and, Holly, honey... 7 00:00:22,523 --> 00:00:23,773 - Night. - Thank you. 8 00:00:23,857 --> 00:00:26,487 Or Max's Liquor Store is gonna come and take your home 9 00:00:26,568 --> 00:00:27,568 for the booze bill. 10 00:00:28,529 --> 00:00:30,949 And Mr. Kirby Baker, 11 00:00:31,281 --> 00:00:33,491 our fine real estate executive. 12 00:00:34,660 --> 00:00:35,790 Baker Realty. 13 00:00:36,700 --> 00:00:37,825 Honesty. 14 00:00:38,330 --> 00:00:41,000 Honesty since 1938. 15 00:00:43,710 --> 00:00:44,840 Your secretary, 16 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,630 poor little Gladys Wilmett, 17 00:00:47,089 --> 00:00:48,879 she had to leave town awful sudden. 18 00:00:50,133 --> 00:00:52,933 Had to see a special kind of doctor in Cincinnati. 19 00:00:54,596 --> 00:00:57,466 I know, I know the nights are just so warm 20 00:00:57,558 --> 00:01:00,688 that poor Willie May just had to leave her shades open an inch. 21 00:02:17,980 --> 00:02:22,980 - Synced & corrected by MementMori - — www.addic7ed.com — 22 00:02:56,927 --> 00:02:57,927 Detective Drowatzky? 23 00:02:59,020 --> 00:03:00,057 Bill Tench. 24 00:03:00,389 --> 00:03:04,099 Bernie. My kids say I look like a cop. 25 00:03:04,550 --> 00:03:05,636 Don't we all? 26 00:03:05,727 --> 00:03:07,397 I'm this way. 27 00:03:07,979 --> 00:03:09,649 Where do you stand on active leads? 28 00:03:09,731 --> 00:03:11,151 Nobody. 29 00:03:11,233 --> 00:03:12,363 Or everybody. 30 00:03:13,110 --> 00:03:15,700 But every time we get a letter, we get a new detail. 31 00:03:16,238 --> 00:03:18,738 Right now, we're tryin' to trace the Xerox machine he uses 32 00:03:18,824 --> 00:03:23,084 by signature marks on the paper edge and... ink diffusion. 33 00:03:23,161 --> 00:03:24,371 Sophisticated work. 34 00:03:24,780 --> 00:03:26,540 I got 20-year street cops who know more 35 00:03:26,570 --> 00:03:28,248 about toner than the copy guy. 36 00:03:29,167 --> 00:03:30,917 Could be us spinning our wheels again. 37 00:03:31,002 --> 00:03:33,052 When we get to the station, you can see the letters. 38 00:03:33,130 --> 00:03:34,920 Any of the crime scenes accessible? 39 00:03:35,006 --> 00:03:36,836 All of 'em. They're still vacant. 40 00:03:37,092 --> 00:03:39,472 But we've combed through them pretty good over the years. 41 00:03:39,553 --> 00:03:41,853 It really helps to put the photos in context. 42 00:03:42,514 --> 00:03:43,514 If you don't mind. 43 00:03:44,433 --> 00:03:47,313 Might as well start at the beginning. Otero. 44 00:03:49,146 --> 00:03:50,226 Bit of a drive. 45 00:03:50,814 --> 00:03:52,734 I hope you don't mind a little Willie Nelson. 46 00:03:53,525 --> 00:03:54,565 Not at all. 47 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,550 803 North Edgemoor. 48 00:04:14,379 --> 00:04:15,549 The Otero house. 49 00:04:16,757 --> 00:04:20,547 January 1974. They'd just moved in two months prior. 50 00:04:22,304 --> 00:04:23,474 It was a school day. 51 00:04:23,555 --> 00:04:25,275 Neighbors were comin' and goin' all morning. 52 00:04:26,558 --> 00:04:29,728 One of 'em even saw BTK drive off in the family car afterwards. 53 00:04:35,650 --> 00:04:36,990 Women around here come home, 54 00:04:37,068 --> 00:04:39,238 first thing they do is check the phone still works... 55 00:04:39,905 --> 00:04:41,025 five years later. 56 00:04:56,505 --> 00:05:00,465 We think he came in here. The two kids making their lunches. 57 00:05:00,550 --> 00:05:02,340 The older three had already gone to school. 58 00:05:04,971 --> 00:05:06,771 They had five kids in this house? 59 00:05:07,265 --> 00:05:08,475 Retired military. 60 00:05:08,850 --> 00:05:10,100 Used to base housing. 61 00:05:14,856 --> 00:05:17,976 No forced entry. The dog was in the yard when we got here. 62 00:05:18,068 --> 00:05:21,608 It makes no sense to come into a house with an adult male and a dog. 63 00:05:21,696 --> 00:05:22,696 Nothing makes sense. 64 00:05:23,114 --> 00:05:24,994 He took the money out of Mr. Otero's wallet, 65 00:05:25,075 --> 00:05:28,220 emptied her purse, and stole Mr. Otero's aviator's watch. 66 00:05:28,245 --> 00:05:29,800 But clearly, robbery was not his motive. 67 00:05:29,820 --> 00:05:31,740 And the driver's licenses were missing. 68 00:05:31,832 --> 00:05:33,792 - Yeah. - He was taking souvenirs. 69 00:05:35,168 --> 00:05:37,918 And he already knew what he wanted on his very first kill. 70 00:05:54,729 --> 00:05:57,819 So the dad would've been about here, tied to the foot of the bed. 71 00:05:58,020 --> 00:05:59,500 Police report said he was suffocated 72 00:05:59,530 --> 00:06:01,074 with a plastic bag and a T-shirt? 73 00:06:01,152 --> 00:06:02,452 Later, we found there was a hole in it. 74 00:06:02,529 --> 00:06:04,779 Mr. Otero managed to rip it with his teeth. 75 00:06:05,156 --> 00:06:06,906 The killer took the plastic bag off, 76 00:06:06,992 --> 00:06:09,582 put the T-shirt on over his head so he couldn't tear it again, 77 00:06:09,661 --> 00:06:11,581 and then put the bag back on. 78 00:06:12,414 --> 00:06:13,544 Agonizing. 79 00:06:15,667 --> 00:06:17,207 And Mrs. Otero was on the bed. 80 00:06:18,837 --> 00:06:20,457 She had double ligature marks. 81 00:06:20,547 --> 00:06:22,667 Must have come to, so he had to do it again. 82 00:06:22,757 --> 00:06:25,337 We think that since it was his first try, he botched it. 83 00:06:26,261 --> 00:06:27,971 The kids must've been in here. 84 00:06:30,432 --> 00:06:33,272 They had to have seen everything. 85 00:06:43,737 --> 00:06:45,697 We found the youngest boy on the floor, 86 00:06:46,156 --> 00:06:47,316 suffocated. 87 00:06:47,407 --> 00:06:49,197 Two T-shirts and a bag. 88 00:06:49,451 --> 00:06:52,201 So, the killer learned, took no chances. 89 00:06:52,740 --> 00:06:54,520 He would've brought the little girl in here too. 90 00:06:54,540 --> 00:06:55,916 Couldn't leave her alone. 91 00:06:55,999 --> 00:06:59,039 There was a chair here with deep carpet indentations. 92 00:06:59,127 --> 00:07:01,797 We think he sat to watch the boy die. 93 00:07:02,770 --> 00:07:03,839 That would have taken... ? 94 00:07:03,924 --> 00:07:05,384 Between four and six minutes. 95 00:07:21,316 --> 00:07:23,377 My partner and I were first on the scene. 96 00:07:23,777 --> 00:07:25,447 It was completely dark down here. 97 00:07:26,446 --> 00:07:29,066 He was feeling for a light when something bumped him. 98 00:07:30,617 --> 00:07:32,577 That's when we found the little girl... 99 00:07:33,036 --> 00:07:34,196 hanging from this pipe. 100 00:07:43,296 --> 00:07:44,706 Oh, Jesus. 101 00:07:49,386 --> 00:07:52,306 What happened to the older Otero kids? 102 00:07:52,389 --> 00:07:53,719 Any chance I could talk to them? 103 00:07:53,807 --> 00:07:55,450 Relatives in Albuquerque came and got 'em. 104 00:07:55,850 --> 00:07:57,730 They won't let the kids relive any part of it. 105 00:07:57,811 --> 00:07:59,061 They were the ones who found the bodies. 106 00:07:59,145 --> 00:08:00,355 Cut the ropes 107 00:08:00,438 --> 00:08:02,165 from their parents' necks, tryin' to save 'em. 108 00:08:02,565 --> 00:08:04,525 They call now and again. 109 00:08:05,193 --> 00:08:07,403 Five years later... 110 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:08,567 I got nothin'. 111 00:08:10,865 --> 00:08:12,445 We kept thinkin' we'd catch him... 112 00:08:12,534 --> 00:08:13,584 just around the corner. 113 00:08:13,660 --> 00:08:16,250 That first week after Otero, not one of us went home. 114 00:08:16,413 --> 00:08:18,833 We turned over every parolee, every sex offender. 115 00:08:18,915 --> 00:08:20,745 My partner and I even stayed over the first three nights. 116 00:08:20,770 --> 00:08:21,780 In the house? 117 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,001 Hoping the killer would come back. 118 00:08:23,086 --> 00:08:24,246 - See anything? - Nothin'. 119 00:08:24,337 --> 00:08:26,377 A month later, we stayed the night in there again. 120 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:27,803 With a psychic. 121 00:08:27,882 --> 00:08:31,432 You consulted Uri Geller before the FBI? 122 00:08:31,511 --> 00:08:33,681 We were graspin' at anything. 123 00:08:33,805 --> 00:08:35,675 That poor guy got so freaked out. 124 00:08:35,765 --> 00:08:38,125 He was gone the second the sun came up. 125 00:08:39,144 --> 00:08:40,354 So, is that true? 126 00:08:40,437 --> 00:08:42,227 Do these guys return to the scene of the crime? 127 00:08:42,313 --> 00:08:43,693 We were just going on what we'd always heard. 128 00:08:43,773 --> 00:08:44,863 Old detective stories. 129 00:08:44,941 --> 00:08:46,781 The psychopath feels guilty or somethin'. 130 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:48,610 Ed Kemper, the Coed Killer... 131 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:49,895 Yeah? 132 00:08:49,988 --> 00:08:52,240 He told us he went back. 133 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,118 But not out of anything like guilt. 134 00:08:54,534 --> 00:08:56,414 He considered those places 135 00:08:56,494 --> 00:08:57,544 somehow sacred, 136 00:08:57,620 --> 00:08:59,040 if you can imagine that. 137 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:00,680 Truthfully, we haven't been asking that question, 138 00:09:00,700 --> 00:09:02,002 but we probably should. 139 00:09:03,126 --> 00:09:05,796 Tell me about his letters. They were all sent to the press? 140 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:07,089 Cops actually got spooked. 141 00:09:07,172 --> 00:09:09,092 We wondered: did he know who was workin' the case? 142 00:09:09,174 --> 00:09:10,934 Would he come after us? Our wives? 143 00:09:11,009 --> 00:09:13,509 I had this one sergeant. Ten-year guy, tough. 144 00:09:13,595 --> 00:09:15,345 Slept on his sofa with a shotgun for a year. 145 00:09:16,097 --> 00:09:18,097 Finally, he and his wife relocated. 146 00:09:18,183 --> 00:09:20,443 We've lost a lot of the original task force over the years. 147 00:09:20,518 --> 00:09:22,058 - I bet. - It's hard on guys. 148 00:09:22,479 --> 00:09:24,729 What about the lady he missed? Could I speak with her? 149 00:09:24,814 --> 00:09:27,484 Anna? She moved the next day. 150 00:09:27,859 --> 00:09:29,069 Left everything behind. 151 00:09:29,152 --> 00:09:31,242 - Furniture, everything. - He's clearing out the town. 152 00:09:31,321 --> 00:09:33,451 He's got the whole city twitchin' like prey. 153 00:09:34,020 --> 00:09:35,075 Kathy Bright's brother, 154 00:09:35,158 --> 00:09:36,788 - he's still around. - He's around. 155 00:09:36,868 --> 00:09:39,498 We think that's why BTK never named her as a victim. 156 00:09:39,746 --> 00:09:40,786 He knew he left a witness. 157 00:09:40,872 --> 00:09:43,292 If he hadn't claimed seven, we would never have connected her. 158 00:09:43,374 --> 00:09:45,674 MO's wrong. She was stabbed, Kevin was shot. 159 00:09:46,086 --> 00:09:48,105 But the son of a bitch wants credit for every single one. 160 00:09:48,505 --> 00:09:49,915 I'd like to talk to Kevin. 161 00:09:50,006 --> 00:09:52,796 He took three bullets in the face. 162 00:09:52,884 --> 00:09:55,804 - Spent a year in the hospital. - Is he... reliable? 163 00:10:02,470 --> 00:10:04,280 You know, I've done undercover drug deals 164 00:10:04,310 --> 00:10:06,107 with less skullduggery than this. 165 00:10:06,189 --> 00:10:08,319 He doesn't wanna be seen talkin' to cops. 166 00:10:09,150 --> 00:10:12,200 The safer he feels, the longer he'll stay. 167 00:10:12,403 --> 00:10:15,413 Kevin has good days and bad days. I'm hopin' this one's good. 168 00:10:15,490 --> 00:10:16,730 - That loaded? - Always. 169 00:10:18,284 --> 00:10:20,254 Don't worry, Kevin wouldn't hurt a fly. 170 00:10:20,954 --> 00:10:22,754 Jesus improve your aim? 171 00:10:23,873 --> 00:10:26,383 I'm a woodworker. If I'm pullin' a shotgun, 172 00:10:26,459 --> 00:10:28,799 it's 'cause I'm in a situation where aiming is not an option. 173 00:10:28,878 --> 00:10:31,168 At that point, I'll take all the help I can get. 174 00:10:31,881 --> 00:10:33,721 - This our guy? - That's him. 175 00:10:34,092 --> 00:10:35,972 Can't be a buck-forty soppin' wet. 176 00:10:36,052 --> 00:10:38,642 He's lost a lot of weight. Nerve damage from the shooting. 177 00:10:38,721 --> 00:10:39,971 Remember to face forward. 178 00:10:43,143 --> 00:10:44,603 Hey, Kevin. How you doing? 179 00:10:44,686 --> 00:10:47,226 Could you, uh, please turn the mirror? 180 00:10:50,150 --> 00:10:52,740 I'm, uh... doin' all right... 181 00:10:53,862 --> 00:10:54,862 I guess. 182 00:10:55,530 --> 00:10:58,740 This is Agent Tench. I'm gonna let him ask his questions. 183 00:10:58,825 --> 00:11:00,695 I don't know what else I can tell you. 184 00:11:00,785 --> 00:11:02,245 Thank you for coming, Kevin. 185 00:11:03,079 --> 00:11:05,369 What I'd like to do is ask you some questions, 186 00:11:05,456 --> 00:11:08,376 some of which you've heard before. Some may be new. 187 00:11:08,459 --> 00:11:09,499 I'll listen to your story, 188 00:11:09,586 --> 00:11:11,916 but I'm gonna focus on the suspect's behavior. 189 00:11:12,297 --> 00:11:14,507 I'm gonna ask you to go into a lot of detail. 190 00:11:14,674 --> 00:11:16,804 Everything is important. 191 00:11:19,804 --> 00:11:20,804 All right. 192 00:11:22,098 --> 00:11:24,978 On that Thursday, your sister left her car in the driveway, 193 00:11:25,059 --> 00:11:26,080 is that right? 194 00:11:26,394 --> 00:11:29,154 We were in Dad's truck. I was bringin' her home. 195 00:11:29,981 --> 00:11:31,231 As you approached the house, 196 00:11:31,316 --> 00:11:33,606 did you notice anything different or strange? 197 00:11:33,693 --> 00:11:35,283 No, sir. 198 00:11:35,904 --> 00:11:38,914 Kathy and me were just laughing, talkin' when we walked in. 199 00:11:40,575 --> 00:11:41,575 Then he came out. 200 00:11:42,368 --> 00:11:43,578 Was he aggressive? 201 00:11:43,912 --> 00:11:45,712 Did he seem angry? Jumpy? 202 00:11:45,788 --> 00:11:48,498 Just... real matter-of-fact. 203 00:11:48,833 --> 00:11:52,003 But... like he could be mean underneath. 204 00:11:52,086 --> 00:11:55,336 What do you remember of his clothes, how he was dressed? 205 00:11:55,548 --> 00:11:58,258 I... gave a description. 206 00:11:59,010 --> 00:12:01,680 Black... golf gloves, green jacket. 207 00:12:01,763 --> 00:12:03,263 But how did they seem to you? 208 00:12:03,890 --> 00:12:05,770 Clean, dirty, cheap? 209 00:12:06,893 --> 00:12:10,693 Didn't seem cheap. 210 00:12:11,689 --> 00:12:12,939 The jacket was bulky. 211 00:12:13,316 --> 00:12:14,316 Nice. 212 00:12:15,944 --> 00:12:17,284 Everything was clean. 213 00:12:17,362 --> 00:12:18,402 A lot of pockets. 214 00:12:18,988 --> 00:12:20,318 Did he say anything else? 215 00:12:21,032 --> 00:12:22,992 He said he was a wanted man. 216 00:12:23,576 --> 00:12:24,576 He said, 217 00:12:24,660 --> 00:12:26,120 "I'm wanted in California, 218 00:12:26,140 --> 00:12:27,911 and I need to get to New York." 219 00:12:27,997 --> 00:12:29,167 Were you afraid, 220 00:12:29,249 --> 00:12:31,499 or did you think he was telling you the truth? 221 00:12:31,751 --> 00:12:33,770 I figured it was just a robbery. 222 00:12:34,170 --> 00:12:35,510 I gave him the truck keys. 223 00:12:36,547 --> 00:12:38,717 I thought he had what he wanted, so he'd go. 224 00:12:39,926 --> 00:12:40,966 But he didn't. 225 00:12:42,095 --> 00:12:43,845 Did he force you to tie Kathy up? 226 00:12:43,930 --> 00:12:45,560 Didn't... force. 227 00:12:46,140 --> 00:12:47,930 - Just told me. - Told you how? 228 00:12:48,184 --> 00:12:50,444 Real simple. 229 00:12:50,895 --> 00:12:53,225 He made everything sound... reasonable. 230 00:12:53,523 --> 00:12:56,283 Like if we just did this, he was gonna leave. 231 00:12:56,818 --> 00:12:58,948 Where did he get the cord he tied you with? 232 00:12:59,237 --> 00:13:00,657 From his pockets. 233 00:13:02,323 --> 00:13:04,123 I tied Kathy pretty loose. 234 00:13:05,576 --> 00:13:09,456 He made me lie down, and he tied my hands behind my back. 235 00:13:10,081 --> 00:13:11,461 He tied my feet to the bed. 236 00:13:11,541 --> 00:13:13,541 And what was he like when he tied you? 237 00:13:13,626 --> 00:13:16,546 Was he... nervous, flustered? 238 00:13:16,629 --> 00:13:18,339 Uh... not at all. 239 00:13:18,673 --> 00:13:20,173 I watched him tie my feet. 240 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,010 He was fast with knots. 241 00:13:22,093 --> 00:13:24,303 - Like he'd done it before. - Mm-hmm. 242 00:13:24,721 --> 00:13:26,511 Was he rough? Angry? 243 00:13:26,973 --> 00:13:28,183 Did he tie you tight? 244 00:13:29,183 --> 00:13:32,353 He was almost... gentle. 245 00:13:32,437 --> 00:13:33,437 Gentle? 246 00:13:33,521 --> 00:13:34,521 It seemed. 247 00:13:36,649 --> 00:13:40,279 He took a pillow from the bed and put it under my head. 248 00:13:40,778 --> 00:13:41,898 That's interesting. 249 00:13:42,322 --> 00:13:44,622 I want to come back to that, but please continue. 250 00:13:44,699 --> 00:13:48,579 He took Kathy into the other room. 251 00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:53,210 I... couldn't tell what was going on. 252 00:13:55,335 --> 00:13:57,295 Then I heard noises. 253 00:13:57,378 --> 00:13:58,798 What kind of noises? 254 00:14:01,090 --> 00:14:03,720 Not... moans, 255 00:14:05,053 --> 00:14:07,013 almost little cries. 256 00:14:09,557 --> 00:14:11,477 Then it got real quiet. 257 00:14:14,812 --> 00:14:16,562 And I couldn't hear him anymore. 258 00:14:19,692 --> 00:14:23,202 All of a sudden, a radio came on in my room, loud. 259 00:14:23,488 --> 00:14:26,568 And he put something around my neck, and he started pulling. 260 00:14:26,783 --> 00:14:27,953 It was so fast. 261 00:14:28,034 --> 00:14:29,414 What did you do? 262 00:14:29,494 --> 00:14:31,874 I just started kicking and twisting. 263 00:14:32,580 --> 00:14:34,830 I... I knew right then, he was gonna kill me. 264 00:14:35,041 --> 00:14:37,541 When he was strangling you, did he say anything? 265 00:14:38,586 --> 00:14:39,956 Uh... no. 266 00:14:42,548 --> 00:14:44,088 Kevin, this is important. 267 00:14:44,675 --> 00:14:48,425 At any time, when he was tying you up or when he was strangling you, 268 00:14:48,930 --> 00:14:51,470 could you tell if he had an erection? 269 00:14:51,849 --> 00:14:54,939 Uh... 270 00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:57,015 I don't know. 271 00:14:57,313 --> 00:14:59,483 I... I couldn't see. 272 00:14:59,565 --> 00:15:00,565 That's all right. 273 00:15:00,983 --> 00:15:01,983 How'd you get away? 274 00:15:02,485 --> 00:15:05,945 I was thrashing around so much, my feet broke loose. 275 00:15:06,197 --> 00:15:08,617 I stood up. I got my hands free. 276 00:15:09,450 --> 00:15:11,910 I saw him go for the gun. 277 00:15:11,994 --> 00:15:13,084 I grabbed at it. 278 00:15:13,538 --> 00:15:14,578 We fought for it. 279 00:15:15,665 --> 00:15:17,745 I got it turned. 280 00:15:18,793 --> 00:15:23,013 I had it right at his stomach. I... I pulled the trigger twice, 281 00:15:23,089 --> 00:15:24,719 as hard as I could, but it wouldn't go off. 282 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:26,009 He'd have had the safety on. 283 00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:28,052 Everything would be different if I had only shot him. 284 00:15:28,136 --> 00:15:30,006 There's no way you could've gotten the safety off 285 00:15:30,096 --> 00:15:32,216 and shot him with him pulling on the gun. 286 00:15:32,432 --> 00:15:34,142 I guess it slipped out of my hands 287 00:15:34,225 --> 00:15:37,055 'cause he had it, and he pulled the trigger. 288 00:15:37,562 --> 00:15:39,482 First bullet grazed my face. 289 00:15:39,856 --> 00:15:42,856 The second one went in the side of my head. 290 00:15:43,443 --> 00:15:46,363 That's when I... hit the floor. 291 00:15:46,696 --> 00:15:48,776 - Did you pass out? - Uh-uh. 292 00:15:50,908 --> 00:15:51,908 I never did. 293 00:15:53,494 --> 00:15:55,504 I was awake the whole time. 294 00:15:57,498 --> 00:15:59,128 I decided to play dead. 295 00:15:59,542 --> 00:16:03,092 - What did you hear next? - Kathy... moan. 296 00:16:04,589 --> 00:16:06,089 I heard him grunting. 297 00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:09,259 And I was in there playing possum. 298 00:16:09,343 --> 00:16:10,473 It's okay, Kevin. 299 00:16:14,098 --> 00:16:18,098 He must have heard me move because he was on me again. 300 00:16:18,186 --> 00:16:20,726 He shot me. Blew my teeth out. 301 00:16:20,813 --> 00:16:23,823 Then he went back to Kathy. 302 00:16:25,860 --> 00:16:27,740 I... could barely stand. 303 00:16:28,613 --> 00:16:30,743 The radio was so loud. 304 00:16:30,823 --> 00:16:32,373 There was blood everywhere. 305 00:16:32,909 --> 00:16:35,449 I looked around, you know, for something to hit him with, 306 00:16:35,536 --> 00:16:37,326 but I thought... 307 00:16:37,872 --> 00:16:41,292 the best chance was to get help. 308 00:16:41,709 --> 00:16:42,749 So you ran. 309 00:16:43,294 --> 00:16:45,674 Uh-huh. 310 00:16:46,422 --> 00:16:48,672 - Yeah. - It's the best thing you coulda done. 311 00:16:48,758 --> 00:16:50,508 I coulda gone back in there! 312 00:16:50,593 --> 00:16:52,013 We would've lost you both. 313 00:16:56,974 --> 00:16:57,984 Kevin, thank you. 314 00:16:58,768 --> 00:17:01,808 If you think of anything else, any detail... 315 00:17:01,896 --> 00:17:02,896 No. 316 00:17:03,731 --> 00:17:06,031 Um... He wore a watch. 317 00:17:06,984 --> 00:17:10,994 Yeah, a... a big, steel, military kind. 318 00:17:22,124 --> 00:17:24,004 Was it at all similar to this one? 319 00:17:28,005 --> 00:17:29,125 It looked like that. 320 00:17:30,007 --> 00:17:31,337 Joseph Otero's watch. 321 00:17:31,425 --> 00:17:34,135 That's that family, right? It's him, isn't it? 322 00:17:34,170 --> 00:17:36,840 - BTK. - He bragged about a fifth victim, 323 00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:38,160 but he never named her. 324 00:17:38,391 --> 00:17:39,481 We think it was Kathy. 325 00:17:39,559 --> 00:17:41,939 I told you, he'd done this before. 326 00:17:42,019 --> 00:17:43,479 He knew what he was doing! 327 00:17:43,563 --> 00:17:45,693 I... I don't have brain damage like they say. 328 00:17:45,773 --> 00:17:47,483 - I just get tired! - We believe you. 329 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:50,490 - And we'll catch him. - I can't wait for that. 330 00:17:50,570 --> 00:17:52,410 - What do you mean? - I saw his face! 331 00:17:52,488 --> 00:17:53,778 He knows I'm out here. 332 00:17:53,864 --> 00:17:55,050 Every time I walk into a store, 333 00:17:55,082 --> 00:17:56,624 every time somebody walks into a room. 334 00:17:56,701 --> 00:17:59,001 - Even at church. - This guy does not go to church. 335 00:17:59,078 --> 00:18:01,278 - Where are you gonna go, Kevin? - Just... away. 336 00:18:11,132 --> 00:18:12,552 Can't say that I blame him. 337 00:19:41,597 --> 00:19:42,677 Nance? 338 00:19:43,307 --> 00:19:44,927 - Uh, what's wrong? - Nothing. 339 00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:46,017 It's okay. 340 00:19:46,644 --> 00:19:48,734 Honey, did you leave the back door open? 341 00:19:49,438 --> 00:19:51,478 I was taking out the trash. Brian couldn't sleep. 342 00:19:51,565 --> 00:19:52,935 Are you... Are you coming to bed? 343 00:19:53,526 --> 00:19:55,356 - I'll be in soon. - All right. 344 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,270 Wendy's almost ready to meet for those Georgia interviews. 345 00:20:25,474 --> 00:20:26,604 Right. 346 00:20:32,231 --> 00:20:34,231 - BTK. - He's a new animal. 347 00:20:34,316 --> 00:20:37,146 - Lots of interesting contradictions. - You mind? 348 00:20:43,450 --> 00:20:45,100 He brought the little girl to the basement 349 00:20:45,130 --> 00:20:47,621 and constructed a ritualized execution. 350 00:20:48,456 --> 00:20:49,616 That took time. 351 00:20:51,167 --> 00:20:52,667 This was a big risk. 352 00:20:53,252 --> 00:20:54,882 Her scene is the only one with semen present. 353 00:20:54,962 --> 00:20:56,512 She was clearly his primary interest. 354 00:20:56,589 --> 00:20:59,049 The rest of the family is just... collateral. 355 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,680 He only expected the mother and youngest daughter to be home. 356 00:21:03,179 --> 00:21:04,179 But he learns. 357 00:21:04,597 --> 00:21:06,597 After the Oteros, all of his victims are women. 358 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:07,700 None of the men were at home, 359 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,642 except for your witness, Bright's brother. 360 00:21:09,727 --> 00:21:10,847 Kevin wasn't expected either. 361 00:21:10,936 --> 00:21:14,186 So BTK changes his MO, and that's why he stabs the sister. 362 00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:17,820 What's amazing is even though he was surprised 363 00:21:17,902 --> 00:21:19,902 during the Bright and Otero murders, 364 00:21:21,822 --> 00:21:24,582 he somehow manages to overcome his own panic. 365 00:21:24,658 --> 00:21:26,038 Imagine the adrenaline. 366 00:21:26,118 --> 00:21:29,458 You've planned for a petite woman and an eleven-year-old girl. 367 00:21:29,538 --> 00:21:31,328 And all of a sudden, you got a barking dog, 368 00:21:31,415 --> 00:21:33,995 another child, and a retired master sergeant. 369 00:21:34,460 --> 00:21:36,920 But he didn't run. He took his time. 370 00:21:37,755 --> 00:21:39,335 Maybe Otero wasn't his first. 371 00:21:39,423 --> 00:21:41,553 Too many rookie mistakes. It was his first. 372 00:21:41,634 --> 00:21:44,604 But I also think that he was exceptionally prepared. 373 00:21:44,620 --> 00:21:45,629 He practiced? 374 00:21:45,630 --> 00:21:48,266 Remember Kemper practiced on dolls, animals. 375 00:21:48,766 --> 00:21:50,096 He spent years fantasizing, 376 00:21:50,184 --> 00:21:52,194 so he knew exactly how he was going to do it 377 00:21:52,269 --> 00:21:53,559 when the time came. 378 00:21:53,646 --> 00:21:55,476 There's no way our guy doesn't have a rap sheet. 379 00:21:55,564 --> 00:21:56,580 Animal abuse, 380 00:21:56,607 --> 00:21:59,147 maybe peeping neighborhood girls, assaulting prostitutes. 381 00:21:59,235 --> 00:22:00,735 So what have we got so far? 382 00:22:00,861 --> 00:22:03,241 White male, late 20s to early 30s, 383 00:22:03,322 --> 00:22:05,662 rap sheet, possible assault complaints. 384 00:22:05,741 --> 00:22:07,031 High school education at best. 385 00:22:07,117 --> 00:22:09,117 Has difficulty holding more than a menial job. 386 00:22:09,203 --> 00:22:12,123 Kevin said he smelled "clean." His clothes were nice. 387 00:22:12,206 --> 00:22:13,866 He wasn't angry or harsh. 388 00:22:13,958 --> 00:22:17,378 He sounds almost as ordinary and suburban as the victim pool. 389 00:22:17,461 --> 00:22:20,131 Everyone we've interviewed is a product of a difficult home 390 00:22:20,214 --> 00:22:21,554 and a string of adult failures. 391 00:22:21,632 --> 00:22:23,682 - Hmm. - They're all emotionally scarred. 392 00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:25,680 The only one who managed to keep a job was Brudos, 393 00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:27,099 and he was blue-collar. 394 00:22:27,179 --> 00:22:28,389 What about his letters 395 00:22:28,472 --> 00:22:30,312 that he writes to the newspaper? 396 00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:34,650 He's equating himself with famous killers. 397 00:22:35,521 --> 00:22:38,271 "Son of Sam,"Jack the Ripper," "Ted of the West Coast." 398 00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:40,067 That's gotta be Bundy. Who's Glatman? 399 00:22:40,150 --> 00:22:42,780 Harvey. Famous for binding and strangling women in the '50s. 400 00:22:42,862 --> 00:22:45,112 - Of course you know that. - He's studying them. 401 00:22:45,197 --> 00:22:46,947 Modeling himself after them. 402 00:22:47,032 --> 00:22:48,050 Look at this page. 403 00:22:48,242 --> 00:22:50,372 He actually gives himself possible names. 404 00:22:50,911 --> 00:22:52,041 "I like the following. 405 00:22:52,288 --> 00:22:53,300 How about you? 406 00:22:53,330 --> 00:22:55,500 'The BTK Strangler,' 407 00:22:55,583 --> 00:22:59,003 'Wichita Strangler,' 'Wichita Executioner.'" 408 00:22:59,086 --> 00:23:01,166 He's christening himself for the media. 409 00:23:01,255 --> 00:23:04,545 Like Zodiac, or Berkowitz naming himself "Son of Sam." 410 00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:08,183 Berkowitz also courted the press. He wrote directly to Jimmy Breslin. 411 00:23:08,554 --> 00:23:11,224 Berkowitz also gave himself a symbol with initials. 412 00:23:11,307 --> 00:23:13,347 He used it on every letter he wrote. 413 00:23:13,434 --> 00:23:14,434 Right. 414 00:23:15,102 --> 00:23:16,192 It had a cross on the top. 415 00:23:18,272 --> 00:23:19,272 Like this. 416 00:23:20,816 --> 00:23:21,896 Look at our guy. 417 00:23:27,740 --> 00:23:29,410 We have to talk to the chubby behemoth. 418 00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:33,039 This is what we're doing now? Rearranging our interviews 419 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:34,580 to service investigations? 420 00:23:34,663 --> 00:23:36,543 Because all of our subjects are important. 421 00:23:36,624 --> 00:23:38,504 Berkowitz has been on the list since the beginning. 422 00:23:38,584 --> 00:23:41,754 Maybe, but we need to discuss where he fits into our analysis. 423 00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:44,171 I mean, he's a diagnosed schizophrenic. 424 00:23:44,256 --> 00:23:45,336 So was Kemper as a juvenile. 425 00:23:45,424 --> 00:23:48,594 We need to at least consider that Berkowitz is a blitz killer. 426 00:23:49,136 --> 00:23:52,676 He exhibits none of Kemper or Brudos' psycho-sexual motivations. 427 00:23:52,765 --> 00:23:54,570 By his own account, he walked up to cars, 428 00:23:54,590 --> 00:23:55,975 fired five shots, and then ran. 429 00:23:56,060 --> 00:23:58,020 I can't see how anything lasting 19 seconds 430 00:23:58,103 --> 00:24:00,023 could allow for sexual gratification. 431 00:24:00,105 --> 00:24:04,435 Well, we know BTK is inspired by Berkowitz. 432 00:24:04,985 --> 00:24:07,735 And we know BTK kills for sexual fulfillment. 433 00:24:08,197 --> 00:24:10,237 And he's active. Seven so far. 434 00:24:10,324 --> 00:24:11,494 And he's hunting again. 435 00:24:12,034 --> 00:24:14,044 Either of these Georgia boys up for the chair? 436 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,909 - Hance is on death row. - On appeal. 437 00:24:15,996 --> 00:24:17,956 Plenty of time. We'll push them off a week. 438 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,460 I'll put together the research. Gregg, 439 00:24:19,541 --> 00:24:21,041 - can you change the flights? - Sure. 440 00:24:31,971 --> 00:24:33,131 This is what we're doin' now. 441 00:24:35,724 --> 00:24:36,734 What? 442 00:24:40,771 --> 00:24:42,691 This doesn't seem like your scene. 443 00:24:43,107 --> 00:24:44,317 Holden brought me here. 444 00:24:44,525 --> 00:24:46,275 Doesn't seem like Holden's scene. 445 00:24:47,778 --> 00:24:49,568 Look, I won't usually betray a confidence, 446 00:24:50,364 --> 00:24:53,084 but when Holden disappeared those two days, 447 00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:54,870 he went to see Kemper. 448 00:24:54,952 --> 00:24:57,292 Now, whatever happened during that visit precipitated... 449 00:24:57,371 --> 00:24:58,380 Panic attacks. 450 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,618 - You knew? - I had to retrieve his ass. 451 00:25:01,166 --> 00:25:03,836 I'm really sorry I didn't tell you. I thought the last thing we need 452 00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:05,919 is for Holden to have everyone walking on eggshells around here. 453 00:25:06,005 --> 00:25:07,835 Quite frankly, Bill, this demands our attention. 454 00:25:07,923 --> 00:25:11,393 He had an episode. Even the doctor said it feels worse than it is. 455 00:25:11,468 --> 00:25:13,678 Panic attacks may not be brought on by anything real, 456 00:25:13,762 --> 00:25:15,142 but their effects are very real. 457 00:25:15,597 --> 00:25:17,677 Whether you think Holden deserves your sympathy or not, 458 00:25:17,766 --> 00:25:19,766 this could have serious consequences for us 459 00:25:19,852 --> 00:25:22,652 and very real physiological consequences for him. 460 00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:23,730 You're right. 461 00:25:24,648 --> 00:25:26,278 - Does Gunn know about this? - No. 462 00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:29,855 He's based his vision and his largesse on the Holden Ford miracle. 463 00:25:29,945 --> 00:25:32,025 I couldn't tell him Boy Wonder has the vapors. 464 00:25:32,114 --> 00:25:34,624 - We might not be worth salvaging... - With this Berkowitz interview, 465 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:36,450 you have got to take the lead. 466 00:25:36,535 --> 00:25:38,405 He's gonna be walking in there in a heightened state, 467 00:25:38,490 --> 00:25:40,140 knowing that he's got one shot at the killer 468 00:25:40,170 --> 00:25:41,340 on the cover of Newsweek. 469 00:25:41,700 --> 00:25:43,140 He'll be anxious, vulnerable, 470 00:25:43,170 --> 00:25:44,667 and that could prime him for an episode. 471 00:25:44,752 --> 00:25:46,842 The last time he was in the room with a serial killer, 472 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,420 he ended up chained to a hospital bed. 473 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,940 - What do I do? - Be observant. 474 00:25:49,965 --> 00:25:51,580 Apart from the obvious physical cues, 475 00:25:51,626 --> 00:25:53,255 an attack can manifest dozens of ways. 476 00:25:53,343 --> 00:25:56,143 So if he seems manic or overly nervous, fragile... 477 00:25:56,221 --> 00:25:57,500 Should I carry smelling salts? 478 00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:58,520 It's not a joke. 479 00:25:58,557 --> 00:26:01,137 If you see one hint, you get him out of there. 480 00:26:01,220 --> 00:26:02,940 Whatever you feel about Holden's health, 481 00:26:02,970 --> 00:26:04,646 if he blows this with Berkowitz, 482 00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:06,480 Gunn will rethink his investment. 483 00:26:07,024 --> 00:26:09,904 And from now on, there needs to be transparency between us. 484 00:26:09,985 --> 00:26:12,195 Whatever is going on with him, we both know about it. 485 00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:13,280 Two-way street. 486 00:26:13,322 --> 00:26:14,340 Deal. 487 00:26:23,207 --> 00:26:24,327 I'll get our next one. 488 00:26:24,416 --> 00:26:26,336 - I feel like I owe you. - I got it. 489 00:26:30,964 --> 00:26:32,964 - Another round? - Gorgeous. 490 00:26:33,467 --> 00:26:35,717 - Mm! - Yeah. Thank you. 491 00:26:35,803 --> 00:26:37,013 Let me get that for you. 492 00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:38,280 Leave her alone, Gary. 493 00:26:38,305 --> 00:26:40,515 She's with General Patton over there. 494 00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:42,389 Well, you keep blowing me off, Kay! 495 00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:44,460 How else is a red-blooded American patriot 496 00:26:44,490 --> 00:26:45,976 supposed to spend his hard-earned pay? 497 00:26:46,063 --> 00:26:48,233 I'm sure you don't need any help coming up with ideas. 498 00:26:48,315 --> 00:26:50,105 What if I promise to take you out of here 499 00:26:50,192 --> 00:26:51,862 and away from all these assholes? 500 00:26:51,944 --> 00:26:53,864 - What's your name, Marine? - Eric. 501 00:26:54,238 --> 00:26:56,238 Did you just get into Quantico, Eric? 502 00:26:56,270 --> 00:26:57,290 Yes, ma'am. 503 00:26:57,324 --> 00:26:59,244 Why don't you help me through my first long night? 504 00:26:59,326 --> 00:27:00,696 Oh, Eric, you are new here. 505 00:27:01,286 --> 00:27:03,036 These boys put you up to it, didn't they? 506 00:27:03,122 --> 00:27:06,002 Sadly, you are warming up the bat all by yourself tonight. 507 00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:09,210 I play for the other team. 508 00:27:10,546 --> 00:27:11,586 If she's bent, 509 00:27:11,672 --> 00:27:12,802 so are Christie Brinkley and Brooke Shields. 510 00:27:12,881 --> 00:27:15,041 - Well, I'd watch that pillow fight. - Same tab? 511 00:27:16,135 --> 00:27:17,505 No, I've got this one. 512 00:27:21,598 --> 00:27:22,598 That really work? 513 00:27:23,308 --> 00:27:24,768 People see what they wanna see. 514 00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:26,899 Let me know if I can get you anything else. 515 00:27:26,979 --> 00:27:28,779 - Thanks. - Thanks for dropping by. 516 00:27:29,314 --> 00:27:31,324 Eyes forward, maggots. 517 00:27:34,903 --> 00:27:38,373 Six killed, seven wounded. Biggest manhunt in US history. 518 00:27:38,448 --> 00:27:41,658 And he says a demon inhabiting a neighbor's dog made him do it. 519 00:27:41,743 --> 00:27:44,163 Do we really buy that? 520 00:27:44,246 --> 00:27:45,866 On the surface, the crimes appear random, 521 00:27:45,956 --> 00:27:49,746 but... I'm not sure he's the madman he makes himself out to be. 522 00:27:50,127 --> 00:27:52,247 There's just enough pattern to show intention. 523 00:27:52,337 --> 00:27:55,087 He always shot at women or women in the company of men. 524 00:27:55,174 --> 00:27:56,570 And when he shot at couples in cars, 525 00:27:56,608 --> 00:27:58,014 he always shot at the passenger side. 526 00:27:58,093 --> 00:28:00,393 That was used to support the "random" argument. 527 00:28:00,470 --> 00:28:03,770 It's the side closest to the sidewalk. No planning, no strategy. 528 00:28:03,849 --> 00:28:04,860 Just shoot. 529 00:28:05,142 --> 00:28:07,942 But in couples, the male is usually the driver. 530 00:28:09,188 --> 00:28:12,268 He never shot at the driver's side. He unleashed everything on the... 531 00:28:13,025 --> 00:28:14,435 woman's side of the vehicle. 532 00:29:09,873 --> 00:29:12,333 I'm surprised the FBI hasn't come sooner. 533 00:29:13,335 --> 00:29:16,205 The night I was arrested, the mayor came to see me. 534 00:29:16,797 --> 00:29:19,007 He came down to my cell in the middle of the night. 535 00:29:19,091 --> 00:29:20,841 We fit you in as soon as we could. 536 00:29:23,512 --> 00:29:25,352 So, you're talking to other people? 537 00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:26,430 A few. 538 00:29:27,182 --> 00:29:28,932 But no one who's done what you did. 539 00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:32,310 You held an entire city in thrall. 540 00:29:33,188 --> 00:29:36,018 Girls got their hair cut so you wouldn't single them out. 541 00:29:36,233 --> 00:29:37,653 Discos closed early. 542 00:29:38,026 --> 00:29:40,736 It was the largest task force New York ever assembled. 543 00:29:41,697 --> 00:29:43,117 A hundred years from now, 544 00:29:43,198 --> 00:29:45,908 people will still know the name Son of Sam. 545 00:29:47,244 --> 00:29:49,664 I always say, if you want to learn how to paint, 546 00:29:50,914 --> 00:29:52,254 go straight to the artist. 547 00:29:53,959 --> 00:29:56,209 - What does that mean? - You got so much publicity, 548 00:29:56,295 --> 00:29:58,795 there's a killer out in Kansas who idolizes you. 549 00:29:59,589 --> 00:30:01,429 He's writing letters to the press. 550 00:30:01,508 --> 00:30:03,008 And he's writing about you. 551 00:30:05,971 --> 00:30:09,141 - Is he shitting me? - Guy's killed seven so far. 552 00:30:09,224 --> 00:30:11,144 He even made a symbol. Show him the thing. 553 00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:22,570 What is that? Boobs? 554 00:30:23,030 --> 00:30:24,030 It's a B. 555 00:30:24,865 --> 00:30:27,825 - This is a complete rip-off. - That's what we think. 556 00:30:30,245 --> 00:30:31,245 How's he kill 'em? 557 00:30:31,955 --> 00:30:34,825 He breaks into houses, ties 'em up, strangles 'em. 558 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:37,210 Calls himself BTK. 559 00:30:37,294 --> 00:30:38,594 For Bind, Torture, Kill. 560 00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:41,174 David, why did you name yourself? 561 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,760 "I am the Son of Sam. 562 00:30:44,509 --> 00:30:47,219 Go out and kill, commands father Sam." 563 00:30:52,059 --> 00:30:55,099 The press had called me the ".44 Caliber Killer." 564 00:30:55,771 --> 00:30:58,361 They had this absurd theory 565 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,780 the gun somehow symbolized my penis. 566 00:31:02,235 --> 00:31:04,145 I'm not some crazed sex killer. 567 00:31:05,072 --> 00:31:07,782 I needed a name that explained who I really was. 568 00:31:08,158 --> 00:31:11,448 That I was being controlled by a 3,000-year-old demon. 569 00:31:12,537 --> 00:31:14,577 People need to know demons are real. 570 00:31:15,165 --> 00:31:17,825 The Exorcist is based on actual shit. 571 00:31:17,918 --> 00:31:19,038 You saw The Exorcist? 572 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:20,940 Everyone did. 573 00:31:21,254 --> 00:31:24,384 You read a lot about demons and exorcisms before the killings? 574 00:31:26,218 --> 00:31:27,218 Maybe. 575 00:31:27,302 --> 00:31:30,432 Let's go to the first attack. We're fascinated by your mindset... 576 00:31:30,514 --> 00:31:31,604 You're adopted, aren't you? 577 00:31:38,271 --> 00:31:41,781 Yeah. Just before this all started, 578 00:31:42,401 --> 00:31:44,361 I traced my biological mother. 579 00:31:44,444 --> 00:31:46,994 - Found out she never wanted me. - That must've been hard. 580 00:31:47,697 --> 00:31:50,327 My adoptive mother told me my real mother died. 581 00:31:50,742 --> 00:31:52,662 That often happens with adopted kids. 582 00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:56,960 Well, I was illegitimate. 583 00:31:57,749 --> 00:31:58,749 They both lied. 584 00:32:00,669 --> 00:32:02,839 That's about when I started hearing voices. 585 00:32:02,921 --> 00:32:04,131 The "demons." 586 00:32:06,967 --> 00:32:08,927 How do you know when you have a demon? 587 00:32:09,177 --> 00:32:10,177 Are there symptoms? 588 00:32:12,681 --> 00:32:14,721 Possession isn't just 589 00:32:14,808 --> 00:32:16,518 what you see on the outside. 590 00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:19,939 The torment inside is horrible. 591 00:32:20,772 --> 00:32:23,072 Demons are powerful beings. 592 00:32:23,150 --> 00:32:26,570 They use your own voice, your own thoughts against you. 593 00:32:27,195 --> 00:32:28,735 They make you think you're crazy. 594 00:32:29,239 --> 00:32:32,329 When they get strong enough, they speak their name out loud. 595 00:32:32,409 --> 00:32:36,199 And once they've done that, they are in complete control. 596 00:32:36,496 --> 00:32:38,666 So, now you know you've got a demon... 597 00:32:39,708 --> 00:32:40,708 What did you do? 598 00:32:41,793 --> 00:32:44,383 I quit my job and locked myself in my apartment. 599 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,670 For a month, I stayed home listening, preparing... 600 00:32:47,757 --> 00:32:49,587 Listening? To what exactly? 601 00:32:52,637 --> 00:32:54,217 My neighbor, Sam, had a dog. 602 00:32:54,306 --> 00:32:56,176 Every night, 603 00:32:56,266 --> 00:32:57,806 this dog would howl. 604 00:32:58,143 --> 00:32:59,943 He would not shut up. 605 00:33:00,353 --> 00:33:02,313 He kept saying he needed blood. 606 00:33:02,397 --> 00:33:03,897 He demanded blood. 607 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,530 I had no choice. 608 00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:10,160 That writing on your apartment walls, what was that about? 609 00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:16,745 Sometimes the voices came from inside the walls. 610 00:33:17,204 --> 00:33:18,544 So, not from a dog? 611 00:33:19,664 --> 00:33:21,264 I'm just trying to keep it all straight. 612 00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:23,340 They tormented me. 613 00:33:23,418 --> 00:33:25,418 I would tear the walls open looking for 'em. 614 00:33:25,504 --> 00:33:28,634 Was that about the time you saw The Exorcist and read your books? 615 00:33:30,217 --> 00:33:32,007 - Around then. - I'm curious. 616 00:33:32,093 --> 00:33:34,553 You had this history of demonic voices, 617 00:33:34,638 --> 00:33:35,718 psychotic episodes. 618 00:33:36,431 --> 00:33:39,061 Why not plead not guilty by reason of insanity? 619 00:33:39,142 --> 00:33:41,010 Why plead guilty and never get a trial 620 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,600 where you could explain your demons? 621 00:33:42,687 --> 00:33:44,647 Because I am not insane. 622 00:33:44,898 --> 00:33:47,278 I can't pretend to be insane. 623 00:33:48,193 --> 00:33:51,243 I knew it was wrong, but they made me do it. 624 00:33:51,321 --> 00:33:55,081 Hearing demons is quite possibly the textbook definition of insanity. 625 00:33:55,158 --> 00:33:57,118 They came to me, not from me. 626 00:33:57,202 --> 00:34:00,122 Sorry to dwell on it, but it is the part that fascinates people. 627 00:34:00,205 --> 00:34:04,455 You know, two people are writing books. Your neighbor and some guy 628 00:34:04,543 --> 00:34:06,843 you gave your life rights to for whatever reason. 629 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,420 I'm in a legal dispute with him. 630 00:34:08,505 --> 00:34:10,255 That book is gonna move like Big Macs. 631 00:34:10,340 --> 00:34:12,680 A guy who talks to dogs, hears demons. 632 00:34:13,969 --> 00:34:15,429 Crazy sells, man. 633 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,180 He makes any proceeds off the book, right? 634 00:34:19,641 --> 00:34:22,481 - The guy with your life rights? - Like I said, it's a legal dispute. 635 00:34:22,561 --> 00:34:23,981 I can't discuss the details. 636 00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:25,522 Oh, I bet it is. 637 00:34:26,314 --> 00:34:29,484 The voices don't interfere with talking to your lawyer, do they? 638 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,579 It's a crock, isn't it? 639 00:34:39,578 --> 00:34:41,408 There's no voices, no demon. 640 00:34:42,789 --> 00:34:43,789 The dog doesn't talk. 641 00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:48,040 You saw a movie, read some books, and made it all up. 642 00:34:48,128 --> 00:34:49,798 So if everything went to shit... 643 00:34:50,213 --> 00:34:51,213 you'd have a way out. 644 00:34:52,382 --> 00:34:54,012 Do you want to forever be known at the FBI 645 00:34:54,090 --> 00:34:56,000 as the guy who let a Labrador land him 646 00:34:56,030 --> 00:34:57,630 in jail for the rest of his shitty life? 647 00:35:00,140 --> 00:35:03,350 They all bought it, David, didn't they? 648 00:35:05,061 --> 00:35:06,271 Even the shrinks. 649 00:35:13,528 --> 00:35:14,988 Especially the shrinks. 650 00:35:16,656 --> 00:35:18,616 Hell, I believed some of it. 651 00:35:19,993 --> 00:35:21,453 I'm very suggestible. 652 00:35:21,536 --> 00:35:23,196 Did you wanna hear voices? 653 00:35:23,288 --> 00:35:24,788 I kept reading about 'em. 654 00:35:24,873 --> 00:35:27,003 They got kinda tied up with my fantasies. 655 00:35:27,083 --> 00:35:28,753 What fantasies are those? 656 00:35:28,835 --> 00:35:30,545 Girls. Revenge. 657 00:35:30,629 --> 00:35:32,709 I'm what you call a "sex-starved daydreamer." 658 00:35:33,965 --> 00:35:35,795 That... That's just me. That's not clinical. 659 00:35:35,810 --> 00:35:37,350 When did these fantasies start? 660 00:35:37,381 --> 00:35:38,804 When I was a teenager. 661 00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:42,220 But even now, I still spend most of my time fantasizing. 662 00:35:44,768 --> 00:35:47,438 My killings were not sex crimes. 663 00:35:48,063 --> 00:35:49,863 I never wanted to rape anybody. 664 00:35:50,398 --> 00:35:51,688 I just wanted to kill 'em. 665 00:35:52,233 --> 00:35:55,613 Voices helped me justify what I already wanted to do. 666 00:35:55,695 --> 00:35:57,605 How did you find them? Your victims? 667 00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,699 Just started driving. 668 00:35:59,783 --> 00:36:01,663 - Driving? - All the time. 669 00:36:01,710 --> 00:36:02,720 Lookin' for girls. 670 00:36:02,744 --> 00:36:05,504 So you never picked anyone out in advance and surveilled them? 671 00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:08,330 No. I never knew who it would be. 672 00:36:08,792 --> 00:36:10,042 Is that what Kansas does? 673 00:36:10,126 --> 00:36:11,666 We think so from his letters. 674 00:36:11,753 --> 00:36:13,463 I just drove and drove. 675 00:36:13,546 --> 00:36:15,126 I'll bet he does too, Kansas. 676 00:36:16,383 --> 00:36:18,183 Gotta have a reliable car. 677 00:36:18,635 --> 00:36:19,755 And I was cunning. 678 00:36:19,844 --> 00:36:21,854 I studied maps, escape routes. 679 00:36:21,930 --> 00:36:24,930 I carried my gun, a roll of quarters for parking. 680 00:36:26,017 --> 00:36:27,727 You never know when it might come together. 681 00:36:27,811 --> 00:36:29,691 How did you know what nights to go hunting? 682 00:36:29,771 --> 00:36:32,191 Did it have anything to do with lunar cycles? 683 00:36:32,273 --> 00:36:34,153 Fuck no. I hunted every night. 684 00:36:34,234 --> 00:36:35,824 - Every night? - That's what it takes. 685 00:36:35,850 --> 00:36:36,880 Commitment. 686 00:36:37,237 --> 00:36:38,527 You go out every night, 687 00:36:38,613 --> 00:36:42,623 but... maybe once every few weeks, you find the right girl 688 00:36:42,701 --> 00:36:44,451 in the right place, at the right time. 689 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,080 I never knew what I was lookin' for, 690 00:36:47,997 --> 00:36:49,617 but I knew her when I saw her. 691 00:36:49,708 --> 00:36:51,078 You ever take souvenirs? 692 00:36:51,751 --> 00:36:52,791 Something from the scene? 693 00:36:52,877 --> 00:36:55,627 - Maybe something from one of the girls? - No, I ran. 694 00:36:57,590 --> 00:36:59,090 The copycat, he takes things? 695 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,256 Yeah. 696 00:37:00,343 --> 00:37:04,263 David, did you ever go back to any of the crime scenes? 697 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:05,933 All the time. 698 00:37:06,015 --> 00:37:08,935 Was it because you felt guilt or remorse? 699 00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:11,140 Nah. 700 00:37:11,187 --> 00:37:13,567 If I struck out or there were too many cops, 701 00:37:13,648 --> 00:37:15,438 I'd go back to where I did a job. 702 00:37:15,525 --> 00:37:16,605 You'd relive it. 703 00:37:18,403 --> 00:37:20,533 Every detail. 704 00:37:22,782 --> 00:37:24,750 Sometimes, I rolled around in the dirt 705 00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:26,452 where they died, just to feel it. 706 00:37:27,787 --> 00:37:28,787 Did you... ? 707 00:37:32,167 --> 00:37:34,167 Masturbate? 708 00:37:34,753 --> 00:37:35,753 Oh, yeah. 709 00:37:36,963 --> 00:37:38,513 But not there. At home. 710 00:37:39,174 --> 00:37:43,264 Again, I never fantasized about sex with violence. 711 00:37:44,637 --> 00:37:46,257 Those two things were always separate. 712 00:37:46,347 --> 00:37:47,427 Of course. 713 00:37:54,147 --> 00:37:57,567 Even if he takes souvenirs, your guy, 714 00:37:58,109 --> 00:38:00,319 I guarantee you he goes back. 715 00:38:01,321 --> 00:38:02,491 You can't resist it. 716 00:38:04,115 --> 00:38:05,735 Maybe he just drives by. 717 00:38:07,744 --> 00:38:08,744 Maybe. 718 00:38:12,370 --> 00:38:14,360 His own narcissism forces him to admit 719 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,633 that the demons were fabricated. 720 00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:19,300 The thought of someone else profiting from his fame was unbearable. 721 00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:20,470 Your instincts were right. 722 00:38:20,548 --> 00:38:22,968 A schizophrenic wouldn't be able to turn the voices on and off. 723 00:38:23,051 --> 00:38:25,301 Crazed killer or possessed, what's the difference? 724 00:38:25,386 --> 00:38:27,926 He can't tolerate his image tarnished by insanity. 725 00:38:28,890 --> 00:38:30,350 The demons make him special. 726 00:38:30,934 --> 00:38:33,194 A warrior battling insurmountable evil. 727 00:38:33,603 --> 00:38:34,813 Crazy's just weak. 728 00:38:34,896 --> 00:38:37,316 You know what's really surprising is that despite appearances, 729 00:38:37,398 --> 00:38:39,688 his crimes are psycho-sexually motivated. 730 00:38:39,776 --> 00:38:42,640 He kept making the point that his sexual fantasies were separate 731 00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:43,660 from the violence. 732 00:38:43,696 --> 00:38:45,566 He did not want his gun mistaken for his penis. 733 00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:46,657 He did choose a.44. 734 00:38:46,741 --> 00:38:49,831 That goes back to public image conflicting with self-image. 735 00:38:49,911 --> 00:38:51,451 Sex offenders are perverts. 736 00:38:51,538 --> 00:38:52,788 He's a tormented genius. 737 00:38:52,872 --> 00:38:55,382 When the media got that wrong, he corrected the narrative. 738 00:38:55,458 --> 00:38:57,800 So is he getting off on publicity more than the killings? 739 00:38:57,820 --> 00:38:58,840 It's both. 740 00:38:58,878 --> 00:38:59,958 The killings were foreplay, 741 00:39:00,046 --> 00:39:02,376 but he was just as concerned with how he was perceived. 742 00:39:02,465 --> 00:39:05,125 Naming himself, communicating with the media. 743 00:39:05,218 --> 00:39:06,588 It all adds up to control. 744 00:39:06,678 --> 00:39:08,848 And Berkowitz can't control how women treat him 745 00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:10,810 or how he fits into his family. 746 00:39:10,890 --> 00:39:13,180 So he creates this monstrous persona, 747 00:39:13,268 --> 00:39:16,188 but really he's just a dumpy, awkward mailman. 748 00:39:16,271 --> 00:39:20,021 If we go by what Berkowitz said, BTK trolls every night. 749 00:39:20,108 --> 00:39:23,108 No one could hold down a real job, have a family, 750 00:39:23,194 --> 00:39:26,664 hunt, visit their crime scenes. He's got a menial job at best. 751 00:39:26,739 --> 00:39:28,949 - And no real relationships. - Certainly not with women. 752 00:39:29,033 --> 00:39:30,123 Based on Berkowitz, 753 00:39:30,201 --> 00:39:32,701 we're gonna have to open up an entire new category. 754 00:39:32,780 --> 00:39:34,060 We've been looking at whether killers 755 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,537 follow their stories in the media, 756 00:39:35,550 --> 00:39:36,560 like Kemper did. 757 00:39:36,580 --> 00:39:38,600 But now we have to consider how they use the media 758 00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:40,590 to create their own mythologies. 759 00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:42,130 So Berkowitz, what is he? 760 00:39:44,132 --> 00:39:47,552 He's not schizophrenic. Does virtually no preplanning. 761 00:39:47,635 --> 00:39:50,595 Has an absurd supernatural explanation if caught. 762 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,060 And there are definite sexual components to his crimes. 763 00:39:53,141 --> 00:39:54,601 Organized or disorganized? 764 00:39:54,684 --> 00:39:56,786 Does he get a promotion now that he's not talkin' to dogs? 765 00:39:57,186 --> 00:40:00,146 Overall, I'd say he's more organized than not. 766 00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:02,399 Who'd have thunk? 767 00:40:12,785 --> 00:40:13,785 Hey, Bill. 768 00:40:15,204 --> 00:40:16,204 How was he? 769 00:40:17,081 --> 00:40:18,581 A little stiff at first. 770 00:40:18,666 --> 00:40:20,956 But then back to his old cocksure self. 771 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,540 - You read it. - Hmm. 772 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,710 Still think we need to be cautious. 773 00:40:25,214 --> 00:40:26,264 I think he's back. 774 00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:32,352 Good night. 775 00:40:32,380 --> 00:40:33,430 Good night. 776 00:41:13,805 --> 00:41:16,595 Good evening. Uh, is Nancy Tench home? 777 00:41:17,433 --> 00:41:18,773 I'm her husband. Can I help you? 778 00:41:18,851 --> 00:41:21,101 I'm Detective Spencer with Fredericksburg PD. 779 00:41:21,187 --> 00:41:22,357 Special Agent Tench. 780 00:41:22,438 --> 00:41:23,478 FBI. 781 00:41:23,773 --> 00:41:24,943 What can I do for ya? 782 00:41:25,233 --> 00:41:27,783 I'm so sorry. Detective Art Spencer. 783 00:41:28,611 --> 00:41:32,451 Mrs. Tench, are you the Realtor for 1159 Cimmaron Court? 784 00:41:32,532 --> 00:41:33,550 Yes. 785 00:41:33,570 --> 00:41:36,703 You need to know that the residence is, unfortunately, a crime scene. 786 00:41:36,786 --> 00:41:39,906 - What? Has there been a break-in? - No, there's been a... 787 00:41:41,666 --> 00:41:43,376 body found in the garage. 788 00:41:44,877 --> 00:41:46,167 Oh, my God. 789 00:41:46,713 --> 00:41:48,723 We're investigating it as a homicide. 790 00:41:49,048 --> 00:41:51,258 Um... I'm afraid I can't disclose... 791 00:41:53,261 --> 00:41:55,431 Forgive me. 792 00:41:56,270 --> 00:41:57,352 May I come in? 793 00:41:57,432 --> 00:41:58,432 Of course. 794 00:41:59,851 --> 00:42:02,441 - Can I get you some water, anything? - No, thank you. 795 00:42:02,645 --> 00:42:04,855 I've just come from notifying next of kin. 796 00:42:04,939 --> 00:42:06,569 - That is rough. - Oh, my God. 797 00:42:06,816 --> 00:42:08,276 I'm sorry, how can we help? 798 00:42:09,068 --> 00:42:10,818 I need to ask a few questions. 799 00:42:10,903 --> 00:42:15,163 Ma'am, who has access to or has recently entered the premises? 800 00:42:15,825 --> 00:42:18,615 Um, just me and the owner. I've only shown it twice. 801 00:42:18,703 --> 00:42:20,913 There's a lockbox. The combination is the street address. 802 00:42:20,997 --> 00:42:22,537 I know that's not very secure. 803 00:42:22,623 --> 00:42:25,423 Is it possible any of the doors may have been left open by mistake? 804 00:42:25,501 --> 00:42:27,421 No, I'm always so careful. 805 00:42:27,503 --> 00:42:29,513 What about the yard? Do you have a regular crew? 806 00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:32,049 That's supposed to be me, but I'm afraid I never got there. 807 00:42:32,842 --> 00:42:34,120 I'll need to get the names of anyone 808 00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:35,342 that you've taken through the house. 809 00:42:35,428 --> 00:42:37,008 Of course. Um... 810 00:42:37,847 --> 00:42:38,967 Please, sit down. 811 00:42:48,024 --> 00:42:50,074 This one's got me a little shook up, Agent Tench. 812 00:42:50,151 --> 00:42:51,741 Bill. I get it. 813 00:42:51,819 --> 00:42:54,279 I work in a special homicide unit myself. 814 00:42:55,114 --> 00:42:57,244 I've seen plenty of things that kept me up at night. 815 00:42:58,367 --> 00:42:59,487 Anything you wanna share? 816 00:42:59,577 --> 00:43:01,697 I really shouldn't discuss the particulars. 817 00:43:01,788 --> 00:43:02,800 Understood. 818 00:43:02,830 --> 00:43:04,460 I didn't wanna scare your wife, 819 00:43:04,540 --> 00:43:07,880 but I do need to get her shoes from when she was last in the garage. 820 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,550 We have a lot of latent evidence, and we need to eliminate her. 821 00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:12,880 Absolutely. Can I drop 'em by in the morning? 822 00:43:12,965 --> 00:43:14,045 We'll be there. 823 00:43:14,133 --> 00:43:16,643 Here are their names and numbers. They all seemed perfectly nice. 824 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,889 Thank you, ma'am. I'll let you know as soon as we're out. 825 00:43:18,971 --> 00:43:20,681 I'm so sorry to have barged in on your evening. 826 00:43:20,765 --> 00:43:23,015 Not a problem. Let me know if I can do anything. 827 00:43:29,470 --> 00:43:30,530 Wow. 828 00:43:30,608 --> 00:43:31,620 He was rattled. 829 00:43:31,651 --> 00:43:33,401 I can't imagine. 830 00:43:33,486 --> 00:43:35,106 It's... awful. 831 00:43:35,196 --> 00:43:37,986 That just doesn't happen around here. 832 00:43:38,407 --> 00:43:39,867 It happens everywhere, Nance. 833 00:43:51,690 --> 00:43:56,690 - Synced & corrected by MementMori - — www.addic7ed.com — 834 00:45:43,282 --> 00:45:48,622 Real savage-like!