1 00:00:30,656 --> 00:00:33,150 The library's closing. 2 00:00:33,170 --> 00:00:34,180 Oh. 3 00:00:34,243 --> 00:00:35,243 Thank you. 4 00:02:08,580 --> 00:02:13,580 - Synced & corrected by MementMori - — www.addic7ed.com — 5 00:03:10,232 --> 00:03:11,442 Nance? 6 00:03:11,900 --> 00:03:13,150 It's so early. 7 00:03:13,235 --> 00:03:15,315 - What are you doing up? - Making coffee. 8 00:03:15,779 --> 00:03:16,859 You been up long? 9 00:03:17,948 --> 00:03:21,118 I just can't get it out of my head. 10 00:03:22,077 --> 00:03:23,947 A dead body in my first listing. 11 00:03:24,621 --> 00:03:26,921 - Are you okay? - I don't wanna go back to that house. 12 00:03:28,125 --> 00:03:30,665 Give it time. We'll get the details. 13 00:03:30,752 --> 00:03:32,552 Bill, why do the police want my shoes? 14 00:03:33,300 --> 00:03:34,377 Am I a suspect? 15 00:03:34,464 --> 00:03:36,634 It's standard elimination procedure. 16 00:03:38,009 --> 00:03:39,589 There's nothing to worry about. 17 00:03:43,390 --> 00:03:45,070 Our phone number's on that "For Sale" sign. 18 00:03:46,309 --> 00:03:47,309 We have to take it down. 19 00:03:47,394 --> 00:03:49,734 Nancy, that sign is evidence now. 20 00:03:49,810 --> 00:03:51,460 - We can't touch it. - Could you at least take my name 21 00:03:51,490 --> 00:03:53,120 and number off? 22 00:03:53,817 --> 00:03:54,817 Please? 23 00:03:55,652 --> 00:03:56,822 I'll make a phone call. 24 00:03:56,900 --> 00:03:58,000 Thank you. 25 00:04:05,370 --> 00:04:07,080 Hello? 26 00:04:07,164 --> 00:04:09,714 Hey, Holden, it's Bill. Sorry to call so early. 27 00:04:09,791 --> 00:04:11,131 Hey, Bill. What's up? 28 00:04:11,460 --> 00:04:12,750 Can't go to Atlanta today. 29 00:04:12,836 --> 00:04:14,086 Can we postpone? 30 00:04:14,171 --> 00:04:15,171 Why? 31 00:04:16,256 --> 00:04:20,636 I don't know if I caught something from the kid or food poisoning. 32 00:04:20,719 --> 00:04:22,299 - Yeesh. - I was up all night. 33 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,000 Yeah, I'll be back on my feet tomorrow. 34 00:04:24,060 --> 00:04:25,680 Don't worry about it, I'll go. 35 00:04:25,766 --> 00:04:26,976 - Alone? - Yeah. 36 00:04:27,642 --> 00:04:29,870 - I don't know, Holden. - I'm fine. I know what I'm doing. 37 00:04:30,270 --> 00:04:32,070 I'll interview Pierce. You come down tomorrow. 38 00:04:34,608 --> 00:04:36,028 All right. I'll see you tomorrow morning. 39 00:04:36,109 --> 00:04:37,899 I'll call you tonight to let you know how it went. 40 00:04:37,986 --> 00:04:39,776 Oh, hey, I almost forgot. 41 00:04:39,863 --> 00:04:41,243 Jim Barney will be at the airport. 42 00:04:41,323 --> 00:04:43,203 He's still really interested in what we're doing here, 43 00:04:43,283 --> 00:04:44,493 so I said we could grab a cup of coffee. 44 00:04:44,576 --> 00:04:46,576 Jim Barney. Why does that name sound familiar? 45 00:04:46,661 --> 00:04:49,251 You met him at the office. He interviewed for Gregg's position. 46 00:04:49,331 --> 00:04:50,711 Oh, yeah, the black guy you like. 47 00:04:50,791 --> 00:04:52,461 I'll call him, tell him you're solo today. 48 00:04:52,542 --> 00:04:53,842 - Okay, thanks. - See ya. 49 00:04:55,587 --> 00:04:56,627 I postponed. 50 00:04:57,214 --> 00:04:58,214 You did? 51 00:04:58,715 --> 00:05:00,755 I'll take your shoes, swing by the house, 52 00:05:00,842 --> 00:05:02,932 see what I can do about the "For Sale" sign. 53 00:05:03,011 --> 00:05:04,551 Holden can handle today. 54 00:05:04,630 --> 00:05:06,520 - I'll join him tomorrow. - Honey, thank you. 55 00:05:06,530 --> 00:05:07,540 - Mom? - Hmm? 56 00:05:07,599 --> 00:05:10,019 - Hey, bud. - I'm sorry. 57 00:05:10,685 --> 00:05:11,685 Brian! 58 00:05:13,271 --> 00:05:14,561 What happened? 59 00:05:18,100 --> 00:05:20,080 Why don't you wait for me in the bathroom, 60 00:05:20,110 --> 00:05:21,279 and we'll get you all cleaned up? 61 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,220 - I'm sorry. - It's all right, honey. 62 00:05:23,250 --> 00:05:24,300 Go ahead. 63 00:05:30,372 --> 00:05:31,752 I'll have to strip the bed. 64 00:05:35,377 --> 00:05:37,377 Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. 65 00:05:37,462 --> 00:05:39,150 We're expecting a bit of turbulence. 66 00:05:39,180 --> 00:05:40,550 Uh, we ask that you remain seated 67 00:05:40,632 --> 00:05:43,592 and keep your seat belts fastened for the duration of the flight. 68 00:05:43,677 --> 00:05:46,097 As a result of ongoing construction in Atlanta, 69 00:05:46,179 --> 00:05:48,099 we have yet to be assigned a gate for our arrival, 70 00:05:48,181 --> 00:05:50,420 but as soon as we have more information, 71 00:05:50,454 --> 00:05:52,101 we'll be sure to let you know. 72 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:06,160 Agent Ford, Jim Barney. Good to see you. 73 00:06:06,575 --> 00:06:08,115 - Need help with that? - I got it, thanks. 74 00:06:08,150 --> 00:06:09,170 Nothing checked? 75 00:06:09,369 --> 00:06:11,829 Big changes around here. We taxied for 20 minutes. 76 00:06:11,913 --> 00:06:14,253 It'll be the world's largest airport when it's finished. 77 00:06:14,332 --> 00:06:15,882 Bigger means better, right? 78 00:06:18,587 --> 00:06:19,917 So how's the new guy working out? 79 00:06:20,005 --> 00:06:22,672 - Gunn? - No, the other fellow. Smith. 80 00:06:23,592 --> 00:06:24,592 Gregg. 81 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:27,720 Mixed bag. 82 00:06:28,305 --> 00:06:29,305 Not all bad. 83 00:06:30,473 --> 00:06:32,433 About as well as nepotism ever does. 84 00:06:33,226 --> 00:06:34,266 That's too bad. 85 00:06:37,981 --> 00:06:39,341 Bill was in your corner, you know. 86 00:06:42,110 --> 00:06:44,070 Bill and I were due to grab breakfast. 87 00:06:44,154 --> 00:06:46,704 He was gonna give me an update on the BSU caseload. 88 00:06:48,408 --> 00:06:50,788 If you want to get a coffee, maybe you could instead. 89 00:06:55,165 --> 00:06:57,875 How quickly can you ingest this file on William Pierce? 90 00:06:58,251 --> 00:06:59,251 I already did that. 91 00:06:59,836 --> 00:07:00,836 And Hance. 92 00:07:19,356 --> 00:07:21,186 Excuse me, sir. It's a crime scene. 93 00:07:21,274 --> 00:07:23,494 Special Agent Tench. FBI. 94 00:07:23,568 --> 00:07:26,448 - Detective Spencer around? - Let me get him for you, sir. 95 00:07:35,372 --> 00:07:37,712 Agent Tench. Uh, Bill. 96 00:07:38,166 --> 00:07:39,576 I brought you some shoes. 97 00:07:39,668 --> 00:07:40,668 Thank you. 98 00:07:42,295 --> 00:07:44,159 Hey, do you mind if I take my wife's name 99 00:07:44,180 --> 00:07:45,545 and phone number off this sign? 100 00:07:45,966 --> 00:07:47,126 She's a little squeamish. 101 00:07:47,217 --> 00:07:49,577 I don't see why not. I'll have it pulled and brought inside. 102 00:07:50,136 --> 00:07:51,136 Got it. 103 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:53,719 You've been here all night. 104 00:07:54,516 --> 00:07:55,636 Yeah. 105 00:07:59,521 --> 00:08:00,611 Do you have a second? 106 00:08:01,147 --> 00:08:02,147 Sure. 107 00:08:11,992 --> 00:08:14,492 We used the code your wife gave us to open the lockbox, 108 00:08:14,577 --> 00:08:16,077 but there were no keys in it. 109 00:08:16,204 --> 00:08:19,044 The front door was locked from the inside and all the windows secure. 110 00:08:19,124 --> 00:08:21,634 That key only worked on the front door, as I recall. 111 00:08:21,710 --> 00:08:23,290 Back door was open when we got here. 112 00:08:23,378 --> 00:08:25,458 Some mud had been tracked through the family room. 113 00:08:26,381 --> 00:08:27,591 I've never s... 114 00:08:28,967 --> 00:08:31,087 I'm sorry. 115 00:08:32,020 --> 00:08:33,097 Would you mind? 116 00:08:33,304 --> 00:08:34,304 Not at all. 117 00:08:38,018 --> 00:08:39,978 Family reported the victim missing. 118 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,340 One of our officers, out in the woods, 119 00:08:42,370 --> 00:08:44,185 noticed the back door wide open. 120 00:08:44,649 --> 00:08:46,109 That's how we discovered the body. 121 00:08:48,028 --> 00:08:51,238 Watch your clothes, there's lightening dust everywhere. 122 00:08:52,157 --> 00:08:54,487 There were no signs of trauma to the hands or feet. 123 00:08:54,576 --> 00:08:57,326 There were bruises on the neck and back of his head. 124 00:08:57,954 --> 00:08:59,914 He may have been dragged down the stairs. 125 00:09:01,583 --> 00:09:02,793 A lot of footprints. 126 00:09:03,418 --> 00:09:04,748 Adults and kids. 127 00:09:06,004 --> 00:09:07,714 This is where we found the victim. 128 00:09:08,131 --> 00:09:09,131 Down here. 129 00:09:21,436 --> 00:09:22,476 A baby? 130 00:09:22,562 --> 00:09:23,562 Toddler. 131 00:09:25,023 --> 00:09:26,153 Twenty-two months. 132 00:09:27,442 --> 00:09:28,442 Fuck. 133 00:09:29,611 --> 00:09:31,281 Did he go missing from his home? 134 00:09:31,362 --> 00:09:32,452 From the park. 135 00:09:32,530 --> 00:09:34,410 Fifty yards through the woods there. 136 00:09:35,158 --> 00:09:37,698 He was tied to two pieces of old flooring. 137 00:09:37,786 --> 00:09:39,246 Very carefully placed. 138 00:09:40,747 --> 00:09:41,747 On a cross. 139 00:09:42,999 --> 00:09:43,999 Crucified. 140 00:09:45,585 --> 00:09:47,875 Any adornments? Candles? 141 00:09:47,890 --> 00:09:48,900 Flowers? 142 00:09:48,922 --> 00:09:49,922 None. 143 00:09:51,049 --> 00:09:53,219 The face was covered with a rag. 144 00:09:53,301 --> 00:09:55,261 We found a pile of them in a cupboard. 145 00:09:59,682 --> 00:10:01,022 You think it might be a cult? 146 00:10:01,101 --> 00:10:03,981 Wouldn't be my first impression. They tend to be more elaborate. 147 00:10:04,687 --> 00:10:06,817 The Dickinsons are just destroyed. 148 00:10:07,774 --> 00:10:08,774 I'll bet. 149 00:10:09,317 --> 00:10:11,437 Oh, no, that can't be. 150 00:10:11,528 --> 00:10:12,738 Oh, Bill, no! 151 00:10:12,821 --> 00:10:14,531 - I know them! - You do? 152 00:10:14,614 --> 00:10:16,574 Yes! From church. You do too. 153 00:10:16,908 --> 00:10:20,408 And their baby boy is just a... He's an angel. 154 00:10:20,495 --> 00:10:22,615 - How did he die? - I don't know. 155 00:10:24,332 --> 00:10:25,542 Was he inside the house? 156 00:10:26,918 --> 00:10:27,918 Oh, God! 157 00:10:28,670 --> 00:10:31,920 On the new carpet? No, no! Don't, don't, don't! 158 00:10:32,507 --> 00:10:34,127 Did they have to break a window to get in? 159 00:10:34,217 --> 00:10:36,047 No, the key was missing from the lockbox. 160 00:10:36,136 --> 00:10:37,756 No, no, no, don't tell me anything! 161 00:10:39,973 --> 00:10:43,103 We should go by. 162 00:10:43,476 --> 00:10:44,886 Offer our condolences. 163 00:10:44,978 --> 00:10:46,688 Make them... Bring them something. 164 00:10:46,771 --> 00:10:49,981 Not today, Nance. They need a day or two just to... 165 00:10:50,066 --> 00:10:53,026 I have to call the owner of the house. 166 00:10:53,403 --> 00:10:54,573 Yeah, I think you do. 167 00:10:54,654 --> 00:10:56,034 What am I gonna say? 168 00:10:56,114 --> 00:10:57,624 Tell them the truth. 169 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,160 Was there blood? 170 00:11:02,078 --> 00:11:04,038 - No. - How do you know? 171 00:11:05,707 --> 00:11:07,377 You know more than you're saying. 172 00:11:08,918 --> 00:11:10,338 Those poor parents! 173 00:11:23,683 --> 00:11:25,103 I need a glass of wine... 174 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:26,900 before I make the call. 175 00:11:32,525 --> 00:11:34,105 We're conducting interviews 176 00:11:34,194 --> 00:11:35,954 with people who have been convicted of violent crimes. 177 00:11:36,029 --> 00:11:38,409 Anything we discuss cannot be used against you in your appeals 178 00:11:38,489 --> 00:11:39,909 or applications for parole. 179 00:11:40,617 --> 00:11:42,367 We'll be asking you about your family history, 180 00:11:42,452 --> 00:11:45,162 antecedent behavior, and thought patterns surrounding the crimes. 181 00:11:45,580 --> 00:11:47,540 Our goal is to publish a statistical analysis 182 00:11:47,624 --> 00:11:50,084 which will not include your name. Does that sound all right? 183 00:11:53,004 --> 00:11:54,804 I ain't sure. 184 00:11:56,758 --> 00:11:59,138 - What is it you aren't sure about? - What you just said. 185 00:12:02,138 --> 00:12:05,268 You got to slow way the fuck down. 186 00:12:05,650 --> 00:12:06,774 Sorry. 187 00:12:06,851 --> 00:12:09,351 No bother. No bother at all. 188 00:12:10,188 --> 00:12:11,938 I ain't got nothin' but time. 189 00:12:13,650 --> 00:12:16,030 - As I said, Mr. Pierce... - Call me Junior. 190 00:12:17,946 --> 00:12:19,106 All right, Junior. 191 00:12:19,906 --> 00:12:22,026 We are talking to people, such as yourself. 192 00:12:22,116 --> 00:12:23,156 Such as myself? 193 00:12:26,871 --> 00:12:29,081 You find a lot of people such as myself? 194 00:12:29,410 --> 00:12:31,200 I meant, people who have been convicted 195 00:12:31,230 --> 00:12:32,995 of particularly violent crimes. 196 00:12:34,128 --> 00:12:36,008 Multiple murderers to be precise. 197 00:12:36,965 --> 00:12:39,375 Whatever we talk about, anything you say in here won't... 198 00:12:39,467 --> 00:12:43,387 Can't be used against you in your appeals or applications for parole. 199 00:12:43,471 --> 00:12:44,601 Hilarious. 200 00:12:44,681 --> 00:12:47,181 Got me an 880-year sentence. 201 00:12:47,809 --> 00:12:49,229 I ain't applying for no parole. 202 00:12:49,811 --> 00:12:51,311 I ain't ever gettin' outta here. 203 00:12:51,813 --> 00:12:54,733 Probably right. 204 00:12:54,816 --> 00:12:57,146 I'd like to start by asking about your family history. 205 00:12:57,235 --> 00:12:59,770 - Fine. - Antecedent behavior. 206 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:00,880 Okay. 207 00:13:02,365 --> 00:13:04,825 - That means what you... - I know what that means. 208 00:13:04,909 --> 00:13:06,999 I ain't half, I'm whole-witted. 209 00:13:07,245 --> 00:13:08,955 I speak seven languages, you know. 210 00:13:09,038 --> 00:13:11,418 No, I didn't know that. Impressive. 211 00:13:12,625 --> 00:13:15,125 As I was saying, what you were thinking and doing... 212 00:13:15,211 --> 00:13:16,211 Spanish, 213 00:13:17,213 --> 00:13:18,213 German, 214 00:13:19,340 --> 00:13:22,050 French, Russian, 215 00:13:23,678 --> 00:13:24,678 Libyan, 216 00:13:26,472 --> 00:13:28,602 - and Apache. - That's six. 217 00:13:29,726 --> 00:13:30,886 Well, I speak seven. 218 00:13:36,399 --> 00:13:37,479 Spanish, 219 00:13:38,359 --> 00:13:39,359 German, 220 00:13:40,153 --> 00:13:41,153 French, 221 00:13:42,196 --> 00:13:43,196 Russian, 222 00:13:43,656 --> 00:13:44,656 Libyan, 223 00:13:46,409 --> 00:13:47,409 Apache... 224 00:13:49,010 --> 00:13:50,080 English? 225 00:13:50,163 --> 00:13:51,163 Bingo! 226 00:13:53,041 --> 00:13:54,917 Also, what you thought and did 227 00:13:54,950 --> 00:13:56,421 after you committed the murders. 228 00:13:58,338 --> 00:14:01,298 Let's start with your childhood. How would you describe it? 229 00:14:02,650 --> 00:14:03,700 What's he gonna do 230 00:14:03,740 --> 00:14:06,049 while you and me doing all this askin' and answerin'? 231 00:14:06,763 --> 00:14:08,263 He don't look like any FBI agent. 232 00:14:09,890 --> 00:14:10,960 You know what I mean. 233 00:14:10,990 --> 00:14:12,311 No, I don't. What do you mean? 234 00:14:12,393 --> 00:14:14,563 Didn't think the FBI had coloreds. 235 00:14:15,563 --> 00:14:17,903 Learn something new every day. Your childhood. 236 00:14:17,982 --> 00:14:19,072 How would you describe it? 237 00:14:20,610 --> 00:14:21,610 Poor. 238 00:14:22,362 --> 00:14:24,002 Could you give us just a little bit more? 239 00:14:35,458 --> 00:14:36,458 Real poor. 240 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:38,538 All right. 241 00:14:38,628 --> 00:14:39,998 It was Depression times. 242 00:14:40,088 --> 00:14:41,298 Everyone was poor. 243 00:14:42,215 --> 00:14:44,085 Most kids were just skin and bones. 244 00:14:44,550 --> 00:14:47,680 No food on the table unless you want to pick berries, 245 00:14:47,762 --> 00:14:49,472 or shoot yourself a squirrel. 246 00:14:49,931 --> 00:14:52,231 I ain't feeling self-commiseration now. 247 00:14:52,308 --> 00:14:55,188 - Everyone had it the same. - Self... Never mind. 248 00:14:55,269 --> 00:14:56,649 How about your family? 249 00:14:56,729 --> 00:14:57,769 Only Momma. 250 00:14:58,106 --> 00:15:01,226 Shit-for-brains, barely convert in English. 251 00:15:02,068 --> 00:15:03,188 But she loved me. 252 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:06,158 Daddy? 253 00:15:06,531 --> 00:15:07,741 He weren't stupid. 254 00:15:08,574 --> 00:15:10,664 Got my intellick from his side. 255 00:15:10,993 --> 00:15:12,623 Run his mouth like no one's. 256 00:15:13,079 --> 00:15:14,829 One day he ran. 257 00:15:15,289 --> 00:15:17,629 He up and dissipated. 258 00:15:17,708 --> 00:15:19,498 - I'm sorry. Dissipated? - Vamoosed. 259 00:15:20,461 --> 00:15:21,711 Spanish for run away. 260 00:15:22,797 --> 00:15:23,797 Did you like your father? 261 00:15:23,881 --> 00:15:25,091 No, sir. 262 00:15:25,591 --> 00:15:27,641 He bugged the p-i-s-s outta me. 263 00:15:28,719 --> 00:15:30,599 Well, that pretty much covers family. 264 00:15:31,848 --> 00:15:33,308 Do you mind if we... 265 00:15:35,143 --> 00:15:38,563 I'd like to ask questions specifically about the crimes themselves. 266 00:15:38,646 --> 00:15:40,106 The eight murders. 267 00:15:40,189 --> 00:15:43,729 I'd like to answer them questions specificus, that's Latin, 268 00:15:44,152 --> 00:15:46,702 but I can't. Because I ain't done eight murders. 269 00:15:46,779 --> 00:15:48,239 - No? - No what? 270 00:15:48,322 --> 00:15:51,202 It says right here, December 1970, you raped... 271 00:15:51,284 --> 00:15:52,874 That confession was co-hearsed. 272 00:15:55,413 --> 00:15:59,633 The sheriff, he put a cigarette out on my privates. 273 00:15:59,709 --> 00:16:00,999 Okay then, seven murders. 274 00:16:01,085 --> 00:16:02,085 No. 275 00:16:02,837 --> 00:16:05,207 - No? - Can't talk about seven murders 276 00:16:05,298 --> 00:16:06,878 because I ain't done seven murders neither. 277 00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:07,966 I see. 278 00:16:10,344 --> 00:16:11,394 The waitress, Kathy. 279 00:16:11,471 --> 00:16:12,761 I ain't murdered any waitress. 280 00:16:14,223 --> 00:16:15,313 The housekeeper. 281 00:16:15,391 --> 00:16:16,811 I ain't murdered Virginia neither. 282 00:16:16,893 --> 00:16:17,893 Hazel. 283 00:16:20,062 --> 00:16:21,062 I ain't murdered Hazel. 284 00:16:21,147 --> 00:16:24,227 Junior, you confessed to all three of those. 285 00:16:24,317 --> 00:16:25,320 Erogenously. 286 00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:26,818 - Erogenously? - Wrongly. 287 00:16:26,903 --> 00:16:29,663 - It's right here in your confession. - I can't help that. 288 00:16:31,199 --> 00:16:32,989 I did not murder them women. 289 00:16:33,075 --> 00:16:34,615 Then why confess? 290 00:16:35,328 --> 00:16:37,618 You can't confess to crimes and then turn around and say 291 00:16:37,705 --> 00:16:39,075 - you didn't commit them. - Yes, I can. 292 00:16:39,165 --> 00:16:40,365 No, you can't. 293 00:16:40,458 --> 00:16:41,578 Yes, I can. 294 00:16:42,752 --> 00:16:44,002 No, you can't. 295 00:16:44,086 --> 00:16:45,756 Yes, I can. 296 00:16:45,838 --> 00:16:47,838 - Not in the eyes of the law. - Yes, I can. 297 00:16:47,924 --> 00:16:49,684 - Once you confess... - You ever looked in the eyes of the law? 298 00:16:49,759 --> 00:16:51,049 - It's just a figure of speech. - Have you? 299 00:16:51,135 --> 00:16:52,925 No, Junior, I have not. 300 00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:55,972 Don't go using some speech figure, trying to get me say something 301 00:16:56,057 --> 00:16:58,097 - I ain't never gonna say. - I apologize. 302 00:16:58,184 --> 00:17:01,104 I ain't gonna stand for any of that co-hearsion ever again. 303 00:17:01,312 --> 00:17:02,942 - Ever! - I understand. 304 00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:04,022 Oh. 305 00:17:05,066 --> 00:17:06,356 I see what you're getting at. 306 00:17:07,235 --> 00:17:08,895 What am I getting at, Junior? 307 00:17:08,986 --> 00:17:09,986 You think I'm simple. 308 00:17:10,655 --> 00:17:11,985 Let me tell you somethin'. 309 00:17:12,490 --> 00:17:14,490 That judge on them cases? 310 00:17:14,575 --> 00:17:17,695 He said I was continent to stand trial. 311 00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:19,497 So that there proves it. 312 00:17:20,414 --> 00:17:23,584 Junior, I just wanted some clarity about you changing your mind. 313 00:17:23,668 --> 00:17:25,955 Oh. You can't figure that out? 314 00:17:26,045 --> 00:17:27,085 Think about it. 315 00:17:27,630 --> 00:17:29,300 - I was intimated. - Intimated? 316 00:17:29,382 --> 00:17:30,802 Why you always repeating my words? 317 00:17:31,467 --> 00:17:34,927 You have a very impressive vocabulary, 318 00:17:35,012 --> 00:17:38,642 and I don't always understand your colloquialisms. 319 00:17:40,935 --> 00:17:41,935 Yeah. 320 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:43,770 I got all the good words. 321 00:17:43,854 --> 00:17:45,064 You certainly do. 322 00:17:46,232 --> 00:17:47,282 Thank you, Junior. 323 00:17:50,528 --> 00:17:51,608 You want one? 324 00:17:51,696 --> 00:17:53,946 Love one. 325 00:17:55,157 --> 00:17:56,617 Unless you're offering two. 326 00:18:00,913 --> 00:18:01,913 Hmm. 327 00:18:07,712 --> 00:18:10,052 The chocolate and the smooth... 328 00:18:10,798 --> 00:18:12,048 all in one treat. 329 00:18:14,385 --> 00:18:17,595 You don't ever get these in here. 330 00:18:19,682 --> 00:18:22,482 - Mm! - You drove a truck, right? 331 00:18:24,103 --> 00:18:25,103 Yes, sir. 332 00:18:26,188 --> 00:18:29,978 I drove for... the Georgia Highway Department. 333 00:18:30,443 --> 00:18:31,493 You enjoy that? 334 00:18:32,486 --> 00:18:34,236 I liked being on the road. 335 00:18:34,780 --> 00:18:36,160 Met all kinds of people. 336 00:18:37,658 --> 00:18:38,908 All kinds of treats. 337 00:18:42,997 --> 00:18:45,827 One day I had an accident on the job site. 338 00:18:46,584 --> 00:18:48,884 A steel girdle fell on my head. 339 00:18:49,253 --> 00:18:51,463 And doctor said my ence... 340 00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:56,335 My encephalic vitality cells were damaged. 341 00:18:56,802 --> 00:18:59,102 My brain is stimulated by... 342 00:19:01,223 --> 00:19:02,643 I can't pronounce it, 343 00:19:02,725 --> 00:19:04,635 but I can spell it. 344 00:19:06,562 --> 00:19:08,362 H, Y... 345 00:19:10,107 --> 00:19:11,107 P... 346 00:19:12,234 --> 00:19:13,234 O... 347 00:19:13,861 --> 00:19:14,861 T... 348 00:19:15,821 --> 00:19:16,821 H... 349 00:19:18,074 --> 00:19:19,074 Y... 350 00:19:20,910 --> 00:19:21,910 O... 351 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:24,079 I... 352 00:19:27,041 --> 00:19:28,041 D... 353 00:19:28,668 --> 00:19:30,708 I, S... 354 00:19:31,962 --> 00:19:32,962 M. 355 00:19:34,507 --> 00:19:35,717 I understand. 356 00:19:37,134 --> 00:19:40,014 I imagine not everybody you meet on the road is polite. 357 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:41,851 Am I right? 358 00:19:41,931 --> 00:19:42,931 Amen, brother. 359 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:44,976 Momma taught me. 360 00:19:45,059 --> 00:19:46,070 She used to say, 361 00:19:46,102 --> 00:19:48,902 "Junior, stick up for yourself." 362 00:19:49,605 --> 00:19:51,815 - I always did. - Like how? 363 00:19:52,149 --> 00:19:54,149 Well, this one time... 364 00:19:55,111 --> 00:19:56,821 some shop-bitch, 365 00:19:58,656 --> 00:20:00,026 she called me moron. 366 00:20:00,866 --> 00:20:01,866 Moron? 367 00:20:02,993 --> 00:20:03,993 Once. 368 00:20:05,705 --> 00:20:06,705 I see. 369 00:20:08,999 --> 00:20:12,629 Junior, you mind if we go back to those murders? 370 00:20:13,462 --> 00:20:14,842 The ones you didn't commit? 371 00:20:16,048 --> 00:20:20,548 We go back to whatever you want... as long as you got more of these. 372 00:20:21,303 --> 00:20:23,683 You told the police where to find the bodies. 373 00:20:23,764 --> 00:20:26,234 - Yes, sir. - How'd you know where to go? 374 00:20:28,394 --> 00:20:29,774 I'm clearvoyant. 375 00:20:31,272 --> 00:20:33,022 Use my psychic magnet, 376 00:20:33,482 --> 00:20:35,072 telepathy. 377 00:20:36,527 --> 00:20:38,987 Everybody started asking me about them murders. 378 00:20:39,405 --> 00:20:40,695 I turned up my sixth sense. 379 00:20:41,198 --> 00:20:44,788 Told them exactly how each one happened, where the bodies was at. 380 00:20:44,869 --> 00:20:45,999 Weren't no confession. 381 00:20:46,412 --> 00:20:48,372 - I was helpin'. - Of course you were. 382 00:20:48,450 --> 00:20:49,820 They never were gonna find them bodies. 383 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,450 Never have any peace. 384 00:20:51,542 --> 00:20:52,882 I helped them families. 385 00:20:53,878 --> 00:20:56,088 I alloyed their distressment. 386 00:20:56,172 --> 00:20:57,672 Can I ask about the other murders? 387 00:20:57,757 --> 00:21:00,677 Gas station attendants, the store owner, and the clerk? 388 00:21:01,177 --> 00:21:02,547 Oh. Yeah. 389 00:21:04,513 --> 00:21:05,603 I did those. 390 00:21:06,265 --> 00:21:08,175 "She called me a moron." 391 00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:10,067 - Wow. - She wasn't far off. 392 00:21:12,980 --> 00:21:15,900 I've never seen Mallomars used for interrogation purposes. 393 00:21:15,983 --> 00:21:18,153 I read your Kemper and Brudos transcripts. 394 00:21:19,195 --> 00:21:20,605 Cigarettes and shoes. 395 00:21:20,696 --> 00:21:22,906 And there's that photo of Pierce in his cell. 396 00:21:23,650 --> 00:21:24,738 Which? 397 00:21:24,820 --> 00:21:26,160 He's surrounded by junk food: 398 00:21:26,190 --> 00:21:27,655 chocolate bars, mini-doughnuts. 399 00:21:27,745 --> 00:21:29,655 His cell's practically a 7-Eleven. 400 00:21:29,747 --> 00:21:31,457 He tipped his hand, he's got a sweet... 401 00:21:31,540 --> 00:21:32,880 Watch it, man! There's children out here! 402 00:21:32,958 --> 00:21:35,088 - All right, you all hold hands. - Slow down! 403 00:21:35,169 --> 00:21:37,329 Hold your hand. Hold your brother's hand, baby. 404 00:21:40,591 --> 00:21:41,971 Is this an Atlanta thing? 405 00:21:44,130 --> 00:21:45,780 The city doesn't provide the same level 406 00:21:45,810 --> 00:21:47,806 of services to all neighborhoods. 407 00:21:50,476 --> 00:21:52,806 The next great metropolis has got some issues. 408 00:22:00,444 --> 00:22:02,994 - What time tomorrow? - We should leave by 9:30. 409 00:22:03,447 --> 00:22:05,887 If you want breakfast before we go, I'll be in the restaurant. 410 00:22:06,951 --> 00:22:08,411 - Put it on Quantico. - Thanks, I can't. 411 00:22:08,494 --> 00:22:10,044 The wife insists on feeding me mornings. 412 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:11,120 See you at 9:30. 413 00:22:11,205 --> 00:22:12,205 All right. 414 00:22:35,104 --> 00:22:37,024 Welcome to the Omni. I'll have someone come right out to help you. 415 00:22:37,106 --> 00:22:38,106 - Thank you. - Tanya? 416 00:22:38,607 --> 00:22:40,607 - Can you assist this gentleman, please? - Yes. 417 00:22:40,693 --> 00:22:42,443 Welcome to the Omni, sir. You're checking in? 418 00:22:42,528 --> 00:22:44,238 Yes, please. Ford... 419 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:45,912 Holden. 420 00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:47,740 All right. Ford, Holden. 421 00:22:48,284 --> 00:22:51,294 Oh, sorry, Ford is my last name. 422 00:22:52,329 --> 00:22:55,329 It's a bad joke in Australia. Like here. 423 00:22:55,583 --> 00:22:57,253 There it is. It's a queen bed for one night? 424 00:22:57,334 --> 00:22:58,334 Yes. 425 00:22:59,587 --> 00:23:01,457 Oh, may I check your ID first? 426 00:23:01,881 --> 00:23:03,471 Not that I don't believe you're not... 427 00:23:03,549 --> 00:23:04,549 Of course. 428 00:23:09,221 --> 00:23:11,271 Special Agent Ford. FBI? 429 00:23:15,269 --> 00:23:17,019 - May I? - Oh, yes. 430 00:23:21,650 --> 00:23:22,650 Credit card. 431 00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:23,783 Right. 432 00:23:23,861 --> 00:23:24,991 Sorry. 433 00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:28,700 And the, uh, key card. You know, we should, um... 434 00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:31,241 We've been having some troubles with these machines. 435 00:23:31,327 --> 00:23:32,827 It's been up and down all day. 436 00:23:32,912 --> 00:23:34,582 Everything's broken before it's fixed, right? 437 00:23:34,663 --> 00:23:36,583 - Always. - I should probably go up with you. 438 00:23:36,665 --> 00:23:38,745 Just to check. This way, you don't have to come all the way back. 439 00:23:38,834 --> 00:23:40,044 That's okay. I don't... 440 00:23:46,675 --> 00:23:48,255 Oh this way, Agent Ford. 441 00:23:57,811 --> 00:23:58,811 Long day? 442 00:23:58,896 --> 00:23:59,896 Very. 443 00:24:00,689 --> 00:24:02,319 You in town for a conference? 444 00:24:02,399 --> 00:24:06,449 - On a case actually. Two. - Hmm. For one night? 445 00:24:06,528 --> 00:24:08,568 It's... pretty basic. 446 00:24:10,157 --> 00:24:12,203 Is it, like, some secret government thing? 447 00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:14,077 Like, if you tell me, you gotta kill me? 448 00:24:14,161 --> 00:24:15,541 No, I'm not CIA. 449 00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:21,000 I'm an investigator. I study multiple murderers. 450 00:24:32,137 --> 00:24:33,137 Here we are. 451 00:24:37,935 --> 00:24:39,515 You want to take a look around? 452 00:24:40,062 --> 00:24:41,362 See if it's what you... 453 00:24:42,856 --> 00:24:44,266 Because we have other rooms. 454 00:24:44,358 --> 00:24:46,358 Junior or executive suites. 455 00:24:48,821 --> 00:24:49,951 This seems fine. 456 00:24:50,739 --> 00:24:54,659 There are towels in the bathroom. And there's an iron in the closet. 457 00:24:55,244 --> 00:24:57,084 - Can I get you some ice? - I'm ordering room service. 458 00:24:57,162 --> 00:24:58,582 I'll just ask them to bring some. 459 00:24:58,664 --> 00:25:03,294 Well, I probably shouldn't say so, but the room service here is... 460 00:25:04,712 --> 00:25:06,132 - It's, uh... - Hit-or-miss? 461 00:25:06,463 --> 00:25:08,423 - Mostly miss. - Thank you. 462 00:25:09,216 --> 00:25:10,216 I'll figure it out. 463 00:25:11,010 --> 00:25:12,010 Are you sure? 464 00:25:15,097 --> 00:25:16,352 Let us know if you need anything. 465 00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:17,927 There's a direct line to the front desk. 466 00:25:18,017 --> 00:25:19,767 It's the little button on the... 467 00:25:19,790 --> 00:25:20,800 Got it. 468 00:25:20,820 --> 00:25:22,690 Well, you have a good night, Agent Ford. 469 00:25:22,771 --> 00:25:23,771 Good night. 470 00:25:27,151 --> 00:25:28,151 Thank you. 471 00:25:56,805 --> 00:25:58,595 I get off in about an hour. 472 00:25:59,683 --> 00:26:02,233 If you can wait to eat, I'll show you the best meal in Atlanta. 473 00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:05,730 Okay. 474 00:26:31,215 --> 00:26:32,375 Agent Ford. 475 00:26:33,675 --> 00:26:34,675 Hey! 476 00:26:39,098 --> 00:26:40,138 You look great. 477 00:26:42,017 --> 00:26:43,387 Sorry, I'm in a bit of a hurry. 478 00:26:43,477 --> 00:26:45,727 We aren't supposed to fraternize with guests. 479 00:26:45,813 --> 00:26:47,943 It's fine. Can I catch us a cab? 480 00:26:48,023 --> 00:26:49,613 Oh, no. Just a little further. 481 00:26:50,984 --> 00:26:51,994 Here we are. 482 00:26:59,910 --> 00:27:02,540 It's a mess in here. I'm not usually like this. 483 00:27:02,621 --> 00:27:03,640 Don't worry. 484 00:27:03,914 --> 00:27:06,134 With all my running around, I can't seem to find the time. 485 00:27:06,170 --> 00:27:07,190 Well, you know. 486 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,660 My partner and I used to be on the road. 487 00:27:08,690 --> 00:27:11,100 We basically lived out of our car. I've seen much worse. 488 00:27:12,798 --> 00:27:15,178 Oh, that doesn't... You just have to hold it or... 489 00:27:15,259 --> 00:27:17,429 - It's fine. We aren't going very far. - Okay. 490 00:27:19,096 --> 00:27:21,056 The AC doesn't work. You wanna let the window down? 491 00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:22,140 Sure. 492 00:27:35,904 --> 00:27:37,954 - You a music fan? - I am. 493 00:27:38,907 --> 00:27:41,157 Mostly, uh, new wave stuff. Recently. 494 00:27:43,495 --> 00:27:44,615 Other things too. 495 00:27:45,122 --> 00:27:48,082 - I like movies. I like to read. - Mm-hmm. 496 00:27:48,584 --> 00:27:50,174 I wish I had time to read more. 497 00:27:50,752 --> 00:27:53,962 Seems like every day I go from work, to home, and back to work again. 498 00:27:53,980 --> 00:27:55,000 You don't go out ever? 499 00:27:55,007 --> 00:27:57,257 I... don't believe you don't go out. 500 00:27:58,051 --> 00:27:59,080 Some. 501 00:27:59,344 --> 00:28:01,144 Rarely. Mostly, I work. 502 00:28:02,264 --> 00:28:03,434 I can relate to that. 503 00:28:03,974 --> 00:28:05,734 I used to go to church a lot. 504 00:28:06,435 --> 00:28:07,805 Not so much anymore. 505 00:28:08,270 --> 00:28:10,230 You give up on God? 506 00:28:11,315 --> 00:28:12,315 Not yet. 507 00:28:13,775 --> 00:28:15,185 I help out sometimes. 508 00:28:15,527 --> 00:28:17,447 Organizing community events, 509 00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:19,159 scholarship fundraisers for high schoolers. 510 00:28:19,239 --> 00:28:20,409 Little stuff. 511 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,460 So you do get out. 512 00:28:21,491 --> 00:28:23,291 If that's what you call getting out. 513 00:28:25,537 --> 00:28:26,787 I take classes. 514 00:28:26,872 --> 00:28:29,712 Well, took classes at the community college, 515 00:28:29,791 --> 00:28:30,791 Atlanta Tech. 516 00:28:31,501 --> 00:28:34,841 Ten credits away from my Associate's. Hospitality Management. 517 00:28:34,922 --> 00:28:35,922 Congrats. 518 00:28:36,632 --> 00:28:39,182 Almost. I'm saving up before I go back and finish. 519 00:28:39,635 --> 00:28:42,755 Don't wanna take out loans, be in a whole lot of debt, you know. 520 00:28:43,347 --> 00:28:46,517 It's why I drive this old thing. It's cost effective. 521 00:28:47,184 --> 00:28:48,274 Sounds smart. 522 00:28:50,145 --> 00:28:52,895 How long have you been studying multiple murderers? 523 00:28:53,357 --> 00:28:54,397 Only recently. 524 00:28:55,150 --> 00:28:56,860 It's a brand-new unit at Quantico. 525 00:28:57,945 --> 00:28:59,855 Well, it sounds important, what you're doing. 526 00:29:02,366 --> 00:29:03,366 Thank you. 527 00:29:10,082 --> 00:29:12,962 - Here we are. - Oh. Looks closed. 528 00:29:13,043 --> 00:29:14,043 Let's go. 529 00:29:16,004 --> 00:29:17,014 Um... 530 00:29:21,843 --> 00:29:24,103 Ernie. 531 00:29:24,471 --> 00:29:26,011 This is Agent Ford. 532 00:29:26,890 --> 00:29:28,680 - Holden. - This is my cousin. 533 00:29:29,101 --> 00:29:31,191 - You look kind of young for FBI. - Ernie. 534 00:29:31,270 --> 00:29:33,480 - Stop it. Don't listen to him. - It happens. 535 00:29:33,563 --> 00:29:35,193 They're sitting in the back there. 536 00:29:35,274 --> 00:29:38,074 Go on ahead. I'll make you a plate and bring it over to you. 537 00:29:40,445 --> 00:29:41,445 "They"? 538 00:29:50,706 --> 00:29:52,916 Thank you all so much for waiting. 539 00:29:53,458 --> 00:29:54,538 Sorry we're late. 540 00:29:54,626 --> 00:29:56,416 Is that the FBI we've been waiting to meet? 541 00:29:56,503 --> 00:29:58,923 Yes, ma'am. This is Special Agent Holden Ford. 542 00:30:00,090 --> 00:30:02,180 - Special Agent Ford... - Holden, please. 543 00:30:02,259 --> 00:30:04,219 This is Mrs. Willie Mae Mathis, 544 00:30:04,303 --> 00:30:07,313 Miss Venus Taylor, and Mrs. Camille Bell. 545 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,390 Agent Ford... 546 00:30:08,432 --> 00:30:09,432 Holden. 547 00:30:10,809 --> 00:30:12,519 He'll only be in town for one night, 548 00:30:12,602 --> 00:30:15,812 so I'm sure you all would like to talk to him. 549 00:30:15,897 --> 00:30:18,437 Why don't you sit down and enjoy the plate Cousin Ernest set, 550 00:30:18,525 --> 00:30:19,605 before it get cold? 551 00:30:20,193 --> 00:30:22,153 Thank you. This looks delicious. 552 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,490 So you heard... 553 00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:28,700 what's been happening here in Atlanta? 554 00:30:29,220 --> 00:30:30,289 No. 555 00:30:30,370 --> 00:30:31,620 Not for lack of trying. 556 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,540 Our calls aren't answered, our questions ignored. 557 00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:40,180 Well, please tell me. 558 00:30:40,210 --> 00:30:42,060 What is it you do, Special Agent Ford 559 00:30:42,090 --> 00:30:43,220 of the FBI? 560 00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:45,220 Well, Holden's with a very important office, 561 00:30:45,302 --> 00:30:48,102 and he handles cases just like y'all's. 562 00:30:50,474 --> 00:30:51,854 Tell 'em what you told me. 563 00:30:53,977 --> 00:30:56,097 I'm with the Behavioral Science Unit, 564 00:30:57,731 --> 00:31:00,321 a select division of the Bureau. 565 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,110 I study serial killers. 566 00:31:03,612 --> 00:31:06,202 That is, killers who murder multiple victims. 567 00:31:06,281 --> 00:31:07,991 For instance, people like Son of Sam. 568 00:31:08,075 --> 00:31:09,195 You caught Son of Sam? 569 00:31:09,284 --> 00:31:11,454 - No. - But someone in your unit did? 570 00:31:11,536 --> 00:31:16,116 No, ma'am. I said we study Son of Sam to catch others like him. 571 00:31:16,208 --> 00:31:18,788 - You've heard of Gene Devier? - I have. 572 00:31:19,461 --> 00:31:20,711 Well, Holden caught him. 573 00:31:21,546 --> 00:31:23,166 How old are you, Agent Ford? 574 00:31:24,424 --> 00:31:25,514 I'm almost 30. 575 00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:29,680 He won't do us any good. 576 00:31:30,639 --> 00:31:34,099 No one will listen to him. Thank you for coming here, Agent Ford. 577 00:31:34,184 --> 00:31:36,734 - No one will listen to me? - Please? Mrs. Bell... 578 00:31:36,812 --> 00:31:38,442 This is my daughter. 579 00:31:39,815 --> 00:31:40,815 Angel. 580 00:31:42,484 --> 00:31:44,324 She slept over at a friend's house. 581 00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:46,113 They were gonna watch TV. 582 00:31:46,196 --> 00:31:48,526 She loves The Jeffersons. 583 00:31:50,784 --> 00:31:51,784 Loved. 584 00:31:52,536 --> 00:31:53,866 Angel didn't come home. 585 00:31:54,913 --> 00:31:58,173 I called the police. They said give it a couple days. 586 00:32:00,710 --> 00:32:02,130 Give it a couple of days? 587 00:32:07,801 --> 00:32:10,051 Near the woods over on Campbellton Road. 588 00:32:11,972 --> 00:32:13,292 That's where they found the body. 589 00:32:16,184 --> 00:32:18,064 I'm so sorry for your loss, Miss Taylor. 590 00:32:18,145 --> 00:32:19,145 My son... 591 00:32:19,771 --> 00:32:22,111 My Jeffrey is 11. 592 00:32:25,068 --> 00:32:26,278 Jeffrey... 593 00:32:27,863 --> 00:32:28,913 I'm sorry. 594 00:32:36,246 --> 00:32:37,406 That woman... 595 00:32:37,831 --> 00:32:38,871 is a warrior. 596 00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:42,590 Works three jobs, 597 00:32:43,336 --> 00:32:45,046 takes care of six kids. 598 00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:47,050 She has seen too much pain. 599 00:32:48,383 --> 00:32:51,393 Her husband was a watchman. Shot dead during a robbery while on duty. 600 00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:52,970 What can I do, Mrs. Bell? 601 00:32:55,307 --> 00:32:58,557 My son Yusuf was at Dunbar Elementary. 602 00:32:59,478 --> 00:33:02,308 He was one of 20 students enrolled in gifted classes there. 603 00:33:02,397 --> 00:33:03,857 He was a good boy. 604 00:33:05,066 --> 00:33:06,986 At age four, Yusuf could quote you 605 00:33:07,068 --> 00:33:09,398 Dr. King's "I Have A Dream" speech from memory. 606 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,070 Very clever, that child. 607 00:33:14,650 --> 00:33:15,920 Miss Eula, our neighbor, 608 00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:17,659 she asked if he'd run down to Reese's Grocery 609 00:33:17,746 --> 00:33:19,156 to pick her up some snuff. 610 00:33:21,082 --> 00:33:24,212 Yusuf, like Angel, never came back. 611 00:33:26,379 --> 00:33:29,589 At the funeral, a whole lot of people showed up. 612 00:33:29,674 --> 00:33:30,724 Even the mayor. 613 00:33:31,510 --> 00:33:34,510 But nobody asked how the body of a nine-year-old boy 614 00:33:34,596 --> 00:33:36,466 gets stuffed in a maintenance trap, 615 00:33:37,349 --> 00:33:39,769 a hole in the concrete of an abandoned school, 616 00:33:39,851 --> 00:33:41,021 the way Yusuf's had. 617 00:33:41,811 --> 00:33:45,071 There are no answers to questions you can't even conceive. 618 00:33:45,982 --> 00:33:49,072 We don't come here on Wednesdays for the food, Agent Ford. 619 00:33:49,611 --> 00:33:52,861 We waited, we prayed, but we are done. 620 00:33:52,948 --> 00:33:55,778 Our children are dying. 621 00:33:57,577 --> 00:34:00,497 And someone must do something about it. 622 00:34:01,540 --> 00:34:02,540 I'd like to help. 623 00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:12,625 Here's everything we've collected so far. 624 00:34:12,717 --> 00:34:15,757 Newspaper clippings, photos where the bodies were found, 625 00:34:15,845 --> 00:34:17,345 eyewitness reports from neighbors 626 00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:19,310 the authorities didn't even bother to interview. 627 00:34:21,226 --> 00:34:22,636 Do the police have these? 628 00:34:24,104 --> 00:34:25,864 Not everything in there has been dittoed. 629 00:34:25,939 --> 00:34:27,189 - Be precious with it. - I promise. 630 00:34:27,274 --> 00:34:28,654 And don't make promises. 631 00:34:34,990 --> 00:34:37,990 We parents teach our kids ways to go about in this world. 632 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,830 How to take care of yourself, take care of each other. 633 00:34:44,207 --> 00:34:47,377 Our promise is to do our best to help keep them alive. 634 00:34:49,129 --> 00:34:51,629 When they found Angel, she had someone else's underwear 635 00:34:51,715 --> 00:34:53,255 stuffed down her throat. 636 00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:56,720 My son Yusuf, his feet had been carefully washed 637 00:34:56,803 --> 00:34:57,973 by whoever strangled him. 638 00:34:59,014 --> 00:35:00,894 Willie Mae's child is still missing. 639 00:35:01,266 --> 00:35:03,306 Who knows where he is or what's been done to him. 640 00:35:06,021 --> 00:35:07,861 Save your promises, Agent Ford. 641 00:35:16,448 --> 00:35:17,448 Thank you. 642 00:35:17,866 --> 00:35:18,866 Hmm? 643 00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:23,660 For listening. Those women needed somebody to hear them out. 644 00:35:23,747 --> 00:35:25,327 It's the very least I could do. 645 00:35:27,751 --> 00:35:29,791 No one's taken them seriously until now. 646 00:35:35,508 --> 00:35:37,088 I should've told you where we were going. 647 00:35:37,177 --> 00:35:39,847 I... thought maybe you wouldn't want to come with me. 648 00:35:39,929 --> 00:35:42,059 No. No, nothing to be sorry about. 649 00:35:44,643 --> 00:35:46,233 I hear it's the best meal in Atlanta. 650 00:35:54,569 --> 00:35:57,359 - Hey. - I thought you guys were in Atlanta. 651 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:58,460 Holden's there. 652 00:35:58,490 --> 00:36:03,500 I was going, but, um... got a bug. He said he could handle it. 653 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,830 Do you think he should be in the field alone? 654 00:36:05,914 --> 00:36:07,544 I do. This'll be good. 655 00:36:07,624 --> 00:36:08,884 Rip off the Band-Aid. 656 00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:10,160 Well, Bill, you of all people know 657 00:36:10,190 --> 00:36:12,168 that these interviews can be unpredictable. 658 00:36:12,253 --> 00:36:14,713 You really think testing Holden's emotional equilibrium 659 00:36:14,798 --> 00:36:17,428 - right now is necessary? - I spoke to him last night. 660 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:18,510 He seemed fine. 661 00:36:18,551 --> 00:36:21,181 He completed yesterday's interview without incident. 662 00:36:21,262 --> 00:36:22,262 He and Jim. 663 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:23,642 Barney. 664 00:36:24,057 --> 00:36:25,927 And today's guy shouldn't be a challenge. 665 00:36:27,060 --> 00:36:28,100 Okay. 666 00:36:41,282 --> 00:36:43,372 - Hi. I'm just picking him up. - Of course. 667 00:36:47,247 --> 00:36:48,917 - Not hungry? - Morning. 668 00:36:50,208 --> 00:36:51,538 I thought spending that many hours 669 00:36:51,626 --> 00:36:53,546 with a violent degenerate might keep me awake. 670 00:36:53,628 --> 00:36:55,397 - I slept like... - Have you heard of Camille Bell? 671 00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:56,627 Terrible. 672 00:36:56,881 --> 00:36:58,011 You know the case? 673 00:36:58,591 --> 00:36:59,721 Everybody does. 674 00:37:00,176 --> 00:37:01,897 Her story's been in the paper and on TV. 675 00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:03,426 The mayor attended her son's funeral. 676 00:37:03,513 --> 00:37:05,523 - I had dinner with her last night. - You did what? 677 00:37:05,598 --> 00:37:08,518 With her, and Venus Taylor, and Willie Mae Mathis. 678 00:37:08,935 --> 00:37:11,055 You're in town overnight, and they manage to find you. 679 00:37:12,188 --> 00:37:15,358 Every time the phone rings, Atlanta PD is afraid to pick up. 680 00:37:15,442 --> 00:37:17,782 Those women want answers, and no one has any. 681 00:37:19,404 --> 00:37:22,284 They asked me to review these files on their individual cases. 682 00:37:22,782 --> 00:37:24,372 - You agreed? - Well, of course. 683 00:37:24,451 --> 00:37:26,121 There's a lot here to look into. 684 00:37:26,453 --> 00:37:28,583 Slow down a minute before you step in anything 685 00:37:28,663 --> 00:37:31,583 and make the front page of the Journal-Constitution. 686 00:37:32,375 --> 00:37:34,455 - Again. - Fair enough. 687 00:37:34,544 --> 00:37:36,804 I'll set up a meeting, get us a broader perspective. 688 00:37:39,632 --> 00:37:42,262 Things operate differently down here than they do up in Virginia. 689 00:37:42,343 --> 00:37:44,973 - I'm beginning to see that. - We should jet. 690 00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:52,728 Mr. Hance, we'd like to discuss your mental state 691 00:37:52,812 --> 00:37:54,272 during and after the crimes. 692 00:37:54,606 --> 00:37:58,146 Let's start with the letters you sent to the Columbus Police Chief. 693 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,620 After you killed Gail Jackson, in fact, five weeks after, 694 00:38:04,032 --> 00:38:07,042 you began writing letters claiming to be a vigilante group 695 00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:09,158 called the "Forces of Evil." 696 00:38:10,455 --> 00:38:11,865 Why would you contact the police? 697 00:38:12,373 --> 00:38:13,633 'Cause they were white. 698 00:38:13,708 --> 00:38:14,878 The police? 699 00:38:15,084 --> 00:38:16,214 The Forces of Evil. 700 00:38:16,294 --> 00:38:18,134 But you made them up. 701 00:38:18,505 --> 00:38:19,955 I made 'em up to be white. 702 00:38:21,633 --> 00:38:24,593 In this first letter, you said the abduction of Gail Jackson 703 00:38:24,677 --> 00:38:28,557 was revenge for the deaths of seven elderly white women in Columbus 704 00:38:29,224 --> 00:38:32,354 at the hands of the Stocking Strangler. 705 00:38:32,769 --> 00:38:37,069 And that you would kill Gail if the Strangler wasn't caught. 706 00:38:37,941 --> 00:38:41,111 That is a very... complicated story. 707 00:38:42,070 --> 00:38:43,070 Thank you. 708 00:38:45,031 --> 00:38:47,621 How did you think it would help you, contacting the police? 709 00:38:48,785 --> 00:38:52,245 Because everybody was scared of the Stocking Strangler. 710 00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:55,289 And they was looking for a black man for that. 711 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,210 But... you didn't have anything to do with those murders. 712 00:38:59,295 --> 00:39:00,295 No, sir. 713 00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:03,589 So now they be looking for those white men. 714 00:39:03,675 --> 00:39:05,715 The Forces of Evil. 715 00:39:05,802 --> 00:39:07,222 For kidnapping Gail Jackson. 716 00:39:07,554 --> 00:39:08,554 I see. 717 00:39:09,055 --> 00:39:10,925 But when you first sent this letter, 718 00:39:11,266 --> 00:39:13,806 the police didn't know Gail Jackson was missing. 719 00:39:13,893 --> 00:39:18,903 In fact, they didn't even know Gail Jackson existed. 720 00:39:19,232 --> 00:39:20,612 That's why I had to tell them. 721 00:39:22,527 --> 00:39:26,487 You also told them where to find the body once she was killed. 722 00:39:27,070 --> 00:39:28,620 They can't be after those white men 723 00:39:28,650 --> 00:39:31,043 if they don't have no body for no killing. 724 00:39:31,995 --> 00:39:33,615 So, I told them where to find her. 725 00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:35,120 But initially, you were pretending 726 00:39:35,150 --> 00:39:37,300 she was just kidnapped, not dead. 727 00:39:37,667 --> 00:39:39,427 'Cause that's how I was gonna get the ransom. 728 00:39:40,837 --> 00:39:41,837 All right. 729 00:39:42,589 --> 00:39:43,589 The second letter. 730 00:39:44,632 --> 00:39:47,222 So even though you know Gail Jackson's dead, 731 00:39:47,302 --> 00:39:49,552 a woman the police aren't looking for, 732 00:39:49,637 --> 00:39:52,677 you demand $10,000 for her return. 733 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,500 Because they still think she kidnapped. 734 00:39:56,530 --> 00:39:58,060 So they gotta give me the money. 735 00:39:58,146 --> 00:40:00,816 You'd already told them where to find the body. 736 00:40:01,441 --> 00:40:03,481 They didn't think there was a body yet. 737 00:40:03,568 --> 00:40:04,988 They think she still alive. 738 00:40:06,821 --> 00:40:09,241 And what prompted you, several days after the letters, 739 00:40:09,324 --> 00:40:10,834 to make a phone call to the police 740 00:40:10,909 --> 00:40:14,199 telling them exactly where to find her remains? 741 00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:16,789 'Cause they weren't finding her. 742 00:40:19,208 --> 00:40:21,038 How am I gonna throw 'em off my trail 743 00:40:21,127 --> 00:40:23,797 if they ain't goin' after those white men for her murder? 744 00:40:24,923 --> 00:40:26,223 The Forces of Evil. 745 00:40:27,342 --> 00:40:28,382 I see. 746 00:40:28,843 --> 00:40:30,223 It all comes back around. 747 00:40:30,595 --> 00:40:31,795 Like a doughnut. 748 00:40:33,014 --> 00:40:34,724 Just like a doughnut. 749 00:40:35,350 --> 00:40:37,480 And then when you killed Irene Thirkield? 750 00:40:38,144 --> 00:40:39,734 Had to write another letter. 751 00:40:42,023 --> 00:40:45,943 Now, these letters are all written on Army stationery from your base. 752 00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:48,528 Did you do that deliberately? 753 00:40:48,905 --> 00:40:52,695 Yes... uh, because it was the easiest thing I could find. 754 00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:57,502 Were you at all worried the police might trace this stationery 755 00:40:57,580 --> 00:40:58,580 back to you? 756 00:40:59,374 --> 00:41:02,674 No, because I told them not to worry about it. 757 00:41:04,462 --> 00:41:05,552 Throw 'em off my trail. 758 00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:07,590 I see that. At the bottom. 759 00:41:08,758 --> 00:41:11,428 "Don't put any stock in this stationery from the base. 760 00:41:11,511 --> 00:41:12,991 Anybody could get their hands on it." 761 00:41:14,722 --> 00:41:15,852 Thank you, Mr. Hance. 762 00:41:16,224 --> 00:41:18,604 You certainly helped me clarify. 763 00:41:18,685 --> 00:41:21,395 I wrote two more letters. And I made another phone call. 764 00:41:21,479 --> 00:41:22,479 You certainly did. 765 00:41:22,981 --> 00:41:24,481 Wanna talk about them letters? 766 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,150 Well, I think we've got what we need. 767 00:41:27,235 --> 00:41:30,195 Mr. Hance, you met Karen Hickman, Gail Jackson, 768 00:41:30,279 --> 00:41:33,199 and Irene Thirkield at local bars? 769 00:41:33,282 --> 00:41:34,282 Yes, sir. 770 00:41:34,951 --> 00:41:36,291 They always at the bars. 771 00:41:36,369 --> 00:41:38,159 So you'd seen these women before. 772 00:41:38,246 --> 00:41:41,786 We all going to the same bars. Can't help but see the same folks. 773 00:41:41,874 --> 00:41:44,594 When you went to the bars, were you looking for female companionship? 774 00:41:45,044 --> 00:41:46,044 No, sir. 775 00:41:47,088 --> 00:41:48,548 I wasn't looking for nothin'. 776 00:41:48,631 --> 00:41:50,051 Except have a drink's all. 777 00:41:50,133 --> 00:41:53,093 Did you approach or talk to any of these women? 778 00:41:54,804 --> 00:41:56,014 They come over to me. 779 00:41:56,305 --> 00:41:59,175 A woman comes over to you, she starts talking. 780 00:41:59,267 --> 00:42:00,387 Maybe Gail. 781 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:01,480 Yes, sir. 782 00:42:01,853 --> 00:42:03,103 She all friendly. 783 00:42:04,564 --> 00:42:06,114 Says we should go somewhere. 784 00:42:07,358 --> 00:42:08,818 And did I have $20. 785 00:42:08,901 --> 00:42:12,071 - And what'd you say? - I looked into my wallet. 786 00:42:13,865 --> 00:42:15,485 Then I said I did have $20. 787 00:42:16,993 --> 00:42:19,083 What were you thinking about when you left the bar? 788 00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:21,459 Anything in particular? 789 00:42:23,916 --> 00:42:25,916 I didn't never think about nothing. 790 00:42:26,002 --> 00:42:28,342 Once you had her in your car, what'd you do? 791 00:42:28,796 --> 00:42:29,796 Drove. 792 00:42:30,757 --> 00:42:32,007 Just drove? 793 00:42:33,134 --> 00:42:34,264 Then I stop. 794 00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:38,140 - And pull her out of the car. - And... 795 00:42:39,223 --> 00:42:41,433 was she awake at this point? 796 00:42:41,517 --> 00:42:43,517 Sometimes they making a lot of noise. 797 00:42:44,062 --> 00:42:45,102 So I hit 'em. 798 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,443 Make 'em stop. 799 00:42:46,522 --> 00:42:47,942 But you didn't just hit her. 800 00:42:53,237 --> 00:42:55,487 You sure can't nobody use this? 801 00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:56,990 Absolutely. 802 00:42:57,366 --> 00:42:59,656 After she stopped making noise... 803 00:43:01,746 --> 00:43:05,036 I get me the tire iron... from back of the car. 804 00:43:07,627 --> 00:43:08,667 I beat her... 805 00:43:09,712 --> 00:43:11,592 so's you can't recognize her. 806 00:43:11,672 --> 00:43:13,052 And you did the same to Irene? 807 00:43:13,132 --> 00:43:15,762 Beat her too. Her head come off. 808 00:43:16,260 --> 00:43:17,510 So's you can't tell who it is. 809 00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:20,930 Were you aware both Gail and Irene were prostitutes? 810 00:43:21,015 --> 00:43:23,595 I don't know. They just always around. 811 00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:25,270 Talkin' to us. 812 00:43:25,353 --> 00:43:27,943 The first woman, Karen Hickman, 813 00:43:29,148 --> 00:43:30,818 she was different from them, right? 814 00:43:32,443 --> 00:43:34,533 She was a soldier, a private. 815 00:43:35,530 --> 00:43:36,860 She just around. 816 00:43:36,948 --> 00:43:39,118 Around? Like she "got around"? 817 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,040 No, just... local. 818 00:43:41,619 --> 00:43:44,039 You chose not to use a tire iron with her. 819 00:43:44,497 --> 00:43:45,497 You used your car. 820 00:43:47,583 --> 00:43:50,803 - How many times did you run her over? - Don't know. 821 00:43:52,839 --> 00:43:53,839 Lost count. 822 00:43:54,257 --> 00:43:57,427 Was she different from Gail and Irene in any other way? 823 00:43:59,512 --> 00:44:02,102 Karen was white. The other women were black. 824 00:44:02,723 --> 00:44:03,723 Suppose so. 825 00:44:04,433 --> 00:44:05,483 Didn't ever notice. 826 00:44:06,144 --> 00:44:08,354 Is it possible that the fact that she was white 827 00:44:08,437 --> 00:44:10,897 was... a reason you picked her? 828 00:44:13,401 --> 00:44:14,821 Never seen her as that. 829 00:44:16,279 --> 00:44:18,529 She just a grunt like the rest of us. 830 00:44:31,794 --> 00:44:32,804 He's retired? 831 00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:34,341 Semi. 832 00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:35,700 GBI brings him back 833 00:44:35,730 --> 00:44:37,680 when they want to keep something out the mainstream. 834 00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:38,900 And Garland hears everything, 835 00:44:38,930 --> 00:44:41,218 but it's best to catch him before sundown. 836 00:44:49,020 --> 00:44:52,060 I didn't know the FBI was interested in all this. 837 00:44:52,148 --> 00:44:54,688 We're not, officially. 838 00:44:56,736 --> 00:45:00,026 Like I'm not here watching a redneck bar, officially. 839 00:45:00,740 --> 00:45:02,870 Agent Ford met last night with Camille Bell. 840 00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:05,660 And Venus Taylor and Willie Mae Mathis. 841 00:45:06,913 --> 00:45:08,083 It's where I got this. 842 00:45:10,958 --> 00:45:13,288 That Camille Bell is formidable. 843 00:45:13,377 --> 00:45:16,087 She... They've asked me to review their cases. 844 00:45:17,673 --> 00:45:19,803 Is anyone examining the obvious similarities here? 845 00:45:20,593 --> 00:45:23,013 Six children of the same socioeconomic background, 846 00:45:23,095 --> 00:45:24,465 abducted in broad daylight. 847 00:45:24,889 --> 00:45:26,409 It's clearly an homogenous victim pool. 848 00:45:26,891 --> 00:45:29,271 That's how the mothers are hoping you'll look at it. 849 00:45:29,890 --> 00:45:32,160 You know, by linking these, uh, together, 850 00:45:32,190 --> 00:45:33,800 they've managed, to their credit, 851 00:45:33,856 --> 00:45:35,936 to keep them from becoming cold cases. 852 00:45:36,025 --> 00:45:39,275 But, I mean, it's a stretch to connect these through evidence. 853 00:45:39,362 --> 00:45:41,952 You don't think it's unusual to have this many juvenile murders 854 00:45:42,031 --> 00:45:43,031 so close together? 855 00:45:43,699 --> 00:45:47,079 We average eight to ten child murders every year. 856 00:45:47,161 --> 00:45:49,501 Atlanta has the fourth highest murder rate in this country, 857 00:45:49,580 --> 00:45:53,080 so these kids, sadly... 858 00:45:53,751 --> 00:45:55,421 they don't represent a blip. 859 00:45:55,503 --> 00:45:57,133 Even if the numbers aren't out of the norm, 860 00:45:57,213 --> 00:45:59,513 the fact that most are male, of slight build... 861 00:45:59,966 --> 00:46:01,256 You might have a predator here. 862 00:46:01,342 --> 00:46:04,972 Look, you got a shooting and a strangulation at one location. 863 00:46:05,888 --> 00:46:08,678 On good authority, this one's drug-related. 864 00:46:09,308 --> 00:46:12,398 Angel Lenair: the only sexual assault. 865 00:46:12,478 --> 00:46:13,768 Melton Harvey: 866 00:46:13,854 --> 00:46:16,444 we couldn't even determine cause of death from his remains. 867 00:46:16,524 --> 00:46:18,234 And Yusef Bell... 868 00:46:18,359 --> 00:46:20,989 strangulation. Uh... 869 00:46:21,237 --> 00:46:24,237 Sweet kid too. I mean, it just... it breaks your heart, but... 870 00:46:24,824 --> 00:46:27,494 To be honest, I don't see a link in these cases. 871 00:46:27,576 --> 00:46:30,286 We're finding MO isn't always consistent with serial killers, 872 00:46:30,371 --> 00:46:32,461 and we have to look at victim type as a marker. 873 00:46:32,540 --> 00:46:35,630 This city is full of potential victims 874 00:46:35,710 --> 00:46:37,040 that fit your pool. 875 00:46:37,128 --> 00:46:38,588 I mean, easy pickings. 876 00:46:38,671 --> 00:46:43,091 Look, if you're lookin' for a monster, it's poverty. 877 00:46:43,592 --> 00:46:45,472 These kids are growing up vulnerable, 878 00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:49,180 scrounging for pennies in high-risk situations, 879 00:46:49,265 --> 00:46:52,515 surrounded by violence, sometimes in their own homes. 880 00:46:53,811 --> 00:46:57,231 Family Services already had files on some of these. 881 00:46:57,315 --> 00:47:01,395 And they reopened every single one of them to investigate. 882 00:47:02,940 --> 00:47:04,300 Maybe the mothers just want to know 883 00:47:04,330 --> 00:47:05,865 their children aren't being ignored. 884 00:47:07,116 --> 00:47:09,576 They've had almost no communication from police. 885 00:47:10,077 --> 00:47:13,037 Every single one of those cases is still active. 886 00:47:14,206 --> 00:47:18,536 And there's a historic distrust between the black community 887 00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:19,580 and the police, 888 00:47:19,628 --> 00:47:20,918 and rightly so. 889 00:47:21,922 --> 00:47:24,222 The politics are complicated. 890 00:47:24,250 --> 00:47:25,270 Barn, um... 891 00:47:25,301 --> 00:47:28,351 Some people are feeling left behind in the "New South." 892 00:47:29,138 --> 00:47:32,518 We're the first large Southern city to elect a black mayor. 893 00:47:32,530 --> 00:47:33,550 That's progress. 894 00:47:33,580 --> 00:47:36,307 And he's trying to build the world's largest airport 895 00:47:36,395 --> 00:47:38,055 to attract business dollars, 896 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,380 but white flight's taking the tax base 897 00:47:41,410 --> 00:47:43,460 he needs to do it to the suburbs. 898 00:47:43,486 --> 00:47:45,816 How does that translate to neglecting children's homicides? 899 00:47:48,115 --> 00:47:50,575 They're trying to keep the noise down. 900 00:47:51,452 --> 00:47:54,372 High murder rate, even the whisper of a predator: 901 00:47:55,706 --> 00:47:58,036 that shit scares dollars away. 902 00:47:58,125 --> 00:48:00,125 Uh, we've got movement, gentlemen. 903 00:48:00,211 --> 00:48:02,551 A male, about six feet, black baseball cap. 904 00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:03,710 Copy that. 905 00:48:03,798 --> 00:48:06,588 - He's walking into the bar. - Well, best get back at it. 906 00:48:06,675 --> 00:48:09,795 These yahoos tend to get a little active around sundown. 907 00:48:09,887 --> 00:48:10,887 You still watching them? 908 00:48:10,971 --> 00:48:12,721 I'm always watching them. 909 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,272 Mob? 910 00:48:14,350 --> 00:48:16,690 Buncha good ole boys come in, pay their dues, 911 00:48:17,103 --> 00:48:18,443 darn their sheets. 912 00:48:18,646 --> 00:48:20,356 Thank you, Garland. Appreciate it. 913 00:48:22,358 --> 00:48:24,778 Agent Ford, you might have something here. 914 00:48:25,486 --> 00:48:27,066 I... I can't tell at this stage. 915 00:48:27,154 --> 00:48:29,664 But... the truth is, 916 00:48:29,740 --> 00:48:31,950 and we all hate to admit this, 917 00:48:32,034 --> 00:48:34,584 but to find connections, 918 00:48:35,287 --> 00:48:36,367 unfortunately... 919 00:48:36,956 --> 00:48:39,416 we have to wait for more bodies. 920 00:48:46,006 --> 00:48:47,006 Hey. 921 00:48:48,050 --> 00:48:49,140 Agent Ford. 922 00:48:49,927 --> 00:48:52,297 I got your message. You had a meeting this afternoon? 923 00:48:52,388 --> 00:48:54,638 - Yes. - Well, I waived the late checkout fee. 924 00:48:55,057 --> 00:48:56,927 - How'd it go? - It went well. 925 00:48:57,017 --> 00:48:59,147 I met with the senior GBI agent. 926 00:48:59,228 --> 00:49:02,358 He's spoken with the lead investigators on the Bell and Lenear cases. 927 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:03,440 Lenair. 928 00:49:04,275 --> 00:49:05,815 We've agreed to stay in touch. 929 00:49:06,068 --> 00:49:09,698 And he's assured me that they're already following up 930 00:49:09,780 --> 00:49:11,620 with Child and Family Services. 931 00:49:13,617 --> 00:49:14,697 Give me that. 932 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,580 Tanya, I'm not saying that I agree 100 percent 933 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:19,920 with how APD is handling this. 934 00:49:19,957 --> 00:49:21,327 Though, from what I can see, 935 00:49:21,417 --> 00:49:24,667 - they are working diligently to solve... - Following up with DCFS? 936 00:49:25,463 --> 00:49:27,883 It's always the same. Neglect, abuse. 937 00:49:27,965 --> 00:49:29,255 The family's to blame. 938 00:49:29,758 --> 00:49:32,008 Look, on average, there are ten child murders 939 00:49:32,094 --> 00:49:33,144 in Atlanta per year. 940 00:49:33,846 --> 00:49:35,966 Now, that's awful. But from where it stands, 941 00:49:36,056 --> 00:49:38,306 these numbers alone don't represent a statistical anomaly. 942 00:49:38,392 --> 00:49:41,982 Those numbers have names, Agent Ford. 943 00:49:46,358 --> 00:49:48,738 You're all checked out. If there's nothing else. 944 00:50:01,540 --> 00:50:04,750 Karen was white. The other women were black. 945 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:05,820 Suppose so. 946 00:50:06,212 --> 00:50:07,462 Didn't ever notice. 947 00:50:08,255 --> 00:50:10,215 Is it possible that the fact that she was white 948 00:50:10,299 --> 00:50:12,129 was a reason you picked her? 949 00:50:14,011 --> 00:50:15,681 Never seen her as that. 950 00:50:15,763 --> 00:50:17,813 She just a grunt like the rest... 951 00:50:17,830 --> 00:50:18,850 Waste of time. 952 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,540 Well, it's fairly obvious that you lost interest 953 00:50:20,570 --> 00:50:22,063 during both interviews. 954 00:50:22,140 --> 00:50:23,260 If Jim Barney wasn't there, 955 00:50:23,290 --> 00:50:24,364 it would've been a complete waste of time. 956 00:50:24,438 --> 00:50:25,858 From now on, we have to interview subjects 957 00:50:25,940 --> 00:50:27,980 who can, at the very least, tie their own footwear. 958 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,346 There's no point in preparing questions 959 00:50:29,370 --> 00:50:30,380 if you don't bother to ask them. 960 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,200 Pierce might speak seven languages, 961 00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:34,034 but English was barely one of them. 962 00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:35,180 What did we learn? 963 00:50:35,610 --> 00:50:37,860 If either of them had one thought about what they were doing, 964 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,078 before or during the murders, 965 00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:40,751 they didn't have the wherewithal to articulate it. 966 00:50:40,829 --> 00:50:42,329 I agree they hardly planned ahead. 967 00:50:42,414 --> 00:50:45,334 But Pierce and Hance both exhibit elements of self-aware behavior 968 00:50:45,417 --> 00:50:47,587 - following the murders. - How does that help us? 969 00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:50,260 We want to categorize their behavior before or during. 970 00:50:50,339 --> 00:50:52,879 We also need to look at post-crime behaviors. 971 00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:55,340 You know, elaborate, albeit unsuccessful, cover-ups. 972 00:50:55,886 --> 00:50:59,056 Diversion of law enforcement with absurdly complex stories. 973 00:50:59,515 --> 00:51:02,015 Grandiose self-characterizations of intelligence. 974 00:51:02,101 --> 00:51:04,311 You're saying we've been too rigid in our thinking? 975 00:51:04,395 --> 00:51:06,395 - Maybe. - Change the classifications, 976 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,610 or do we need new ones? 977 00:51:07,690 --> 00:51:09,440 Post-crime? Organized/disorganized? 978 00:51:09,525 --> 00:51:11,185 Can't we just find more articulate subjects? 979 00:51:11,277 --> 00:51:12,697 Pierce, he's interesting. 980 00:51:12,778 --> 00:51:14,608 You were not there. And you are far too kind. 981 00:51:14,697 --> 00:51:17,907 He killed impulsively: the shopkeeper, gas station attendant. 982 00:51:17,992 --> 00:51:19,452 He killed compulsively too. 983 00:51:19,535 --> 00:51:22,655 Three of his victims tied up and raped, murdered. BTK-like. 984 00:51:22,746 --> 00:51:24,036 And Hance, he's interesting. 985 00:51:24,123 --> 00:51:26,633 Though he claims he didn't notice, he killed outside his race, 986 00:51:26,709 --> 00:51:28,339 which we know is highly unusual. 987 00:51:28,419 --> 00:51:30,049 We should spend more time on that. 988 00:51:30,129 --> 00:51:32,669 We may have been too certain of our thinking about racial grouping. 989 00:51:32,756 --> 00:51:34,426 I'm not sure about the racial component. 990 00:51:34,508 --> 00:51:35,628 Really, Gregg? 991 00:51:35,718 --> 00:51:37,388 What part of Karen Hickman being white 992 00:51:37,469 --> 00:51:39,759 and William Henry Hance being black are you unsure of? 993 00:51:39,847 --> 00:51:41,807 Obviously, I agree with you there. 994 00:51:41,890 --> 00:51:44,350 I was looking at it from the essentialist perspective. 995 00:51:44,435 --> 00:51:46,395 From the "essentialist perspective." 996 00:51:46,854 --> 00:51:48,024 What's that? 997 00:51:48,105 --> 00:51:51,975 Aristotle proposed that all things have a substance or essence 998 00:51:52,067 --> 00:51:53,567 that makes them what they are. 999 00:51:53,819 --> 00:51:56,949 Similarly, Plato argued that groups are bound 1000 00:51:57,031 --> 00:51:59,031 by an essential characteristic. 1001 00:51:59,116 --> 00:52:00,906 And what are the essential characteristics 1002 00:52:00,993 --> 00:52:02,953 that place Hance and Hickman in the same group? 1003 00:52:04,330 --> 00:52:05,410 Their uniform. 1004 00:52:07,708 --> 00:52:08,708 They're both soldiers. 1005 00:52:11,211 --> 00:52:12,381 Just a thought. 1006 00:52:14,548 --> 00:52:15,878 I have to meet up with Nancy. 1007 00:52:16,342 --> 00:52:18,552 - Date night? - Somethin' like that. 1008 00:52:19,553 --> 00:52:20,893 That's interesting, Gregg. 1009 00:52:21,472 --> 00:52:24,222 Racial grouping may not always be the dominant factor. 1010 00:52:24,308 --> 00:52:25,308 We should look into that. 1011 00:52:25,809 --> 00:52:26,809 Kemper. 1012 00:52:27,436 --> 00:52:29,306 His victims were all white, except for one, 1013 00:52:29,396 --> 00:52:32,226 but the dominant factor was they were all coeds. 1014 00:52:33,150 --> 00:52:35,690 Well, thank goodness Jim Barney stuck with the instrument. 1015 00:52:47,665 --> 00:52:49,535 Detective Spencer, I want to thank you 1016 00:52:49,620 --> 00:52:51,860 for agreeing to come to tell us what you can 1017 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,875 about this terrible tragedy. 1018 00:52:54,421 --> 00:52:55,421 Please. 1019 00:52:56,090 --> 00:52:58,300 Thank you, Father Monaghan. 1020 00:52:58,676 --> 00:53:01,676 Good evening, I'm Art Spencer, Fredericksburg PD. 1021 00:53:02,262 --> 00:53:04,312 As you know, three days ago, we received a call. 1022 00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:06,270 A young child was reported missing. 1023 00:53:06,767 --> 00:53:08,017 Less than 24 hours later, 1024 00:53:08,102 --> 00:53:10,482 one of our officers found him in an empty house. 1025 00:53:10,562 --> 00:53:12,402 There were no signs of forced entry. 1026 00:53:12,815 --> 00:53:14,475 No one saw or heard a thing. 1027 00:53:16,235 --> 00:53:17,895 The child was deceased. 1028 00:53:17,986 --> 00:53:21,116 We canvassed the neighborhood and will continue to do so. 1029 00:53:21,365 --> 00:53:24,115 Our lab technicians completed their sweep of the scene. 1030 00:53:24,451 --> 00:53:26,871 As of this moment, we have no suspects. 1031 00:53:26,954 --> 00:53:29,044 Excuse me, Detective. Sorry to interrupt, but, 1032 00:53:29,123 --> 00:53:30,793 well, we'd like to know... 1033 00:53:31,583 --> 00:53:33,213 how did Daniel die? 1034 00:53:34,211 --> 00:53:36,051 - Sir? - Dale. Dale Harmon. 1035 00:53:36,130 --> 00:53:39,130 Mr. Harmon, I'm sure you can appreciate the medical examiner 1036 00:53:39,216 --> 00:53:40,836 has not delivered his findings. 1037 00:53:41,260 --> 00:53:43,720 I can't give any details while we're still investigating. 1038 00:53:43,804 --> 00:53:45,434 Was Daniel murdered? 1039 00:53:47,266 --> 00:53:49,096 It's too early to answer that question. 1040 00:53:49,184 --> 00:53:50,660 There are unsettling rumors 1041 00:53:50,690 --> 00:53:53,734 that this was some kind of cult sacrifice or something. 1042 00:53:53,814 --> 00:53:57,194 We have no reason to believe that... at this moment. 1043 00:53:57,693 --> 00:54:01,533 What does "at this moment" mean? That's not particularly calming 1044 00:54:01,613 --> 00:54:02,703 to any of us in this room. 1045 00:54:02,781 --> 00:54:05,241 Let's not traffic in gossip and speculation. 1046 00:54:05,325 --> 00:54:07,695 Father, I... We... We understand. 1047 00:54:07,786 --> 00:54:10,286 And I wanna be sensitive to the grieving family. 1048 00:54:10,372 --> 00:54:13,292 But hearing anything like cults or ritual sacrifice is... 1049 00:54:13,375 --> 00:54:14,495 is very upsetting. 1050 00:54:15,210 --> 00:54:17,920 Most of us here tonight have young children. And they're scared. 1051 00:54:18,005 --> 00:54:20,085 So we're asking you to share with us some answers. 1052 00:54:20,174 --> 00:54:22,304 Our ten-year-old daughter doesn't want to go to school. 1053 00:54:22,384 --> 00:54:24,344 She's afraid to even play in our backyard. 1054 00:54:24,420 --> 00:54:27,300 I can assure you, as soon as we are certain of the answers, 1055 00:54:27,330 --> 00:54:28,354 we will provide them. 1056 00:54:28,370 --> 00:54:30,080 My son told me the other night 1057 00:54:30,110 --> 00:54:32,102 he's scared to fall asleep because... 1058 00:54:32,186 --> 00:54:34,096 "I don't know if I won't wake up like Daniel." 1059 00:54:34,188 --> 00:54:35,268 Excuse me. 1060 00:54:37,065 --> 00:54:38,275 Art, may I? 1061 00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:40,900 I'm Bill Tench. 1062 00:54:41,069 --> 00:54:42,279 I work at the FBI. 1063 00:54:42,738 --> 00:54:44,238 Some of you may not know me. 1064 00:54:44,948 --> 00:54:47,908 I don't come to Sunday service as often as my wife Nancy. 1065 00:54:48,327 --> 00:54:50,497 Two days ago, I visited the crime scene. 1066 00:54:50,913 --> 00:54:52,663 I respect everyone's frustrations, 1067 00:54:52,740 --> 00:54:54,920 but let me reassure you this has nothing to do 1068 00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:56,838 with a cult or anything like that. 1069 00:54:57,419 --> 00:54:59,669 Rod, everyone, 1070 00:54:59,755 --> 00:55:02,085 Detective Spencer's doing everything he can. 1071 00:55:02,174 --> 00:55:03,214 He has my full confidence. 1072 00:55:04,468 --> 00:55:06,888 Please... a little patience. 1073 00:55:06,970 --> 00:55:08,470 But Bill, you have experience with... 1074 00:55:11,558 --> 00:55:13,598 Thank you for speaking up. 1075 00:55:15,896 --> 00:55:18,396 Yes, thank you for that, Agent Tench. 1076 00:55:18,816 --> 00:55:21,526 I'd like us all to take a moment and pray. 1077 00:55:21,902 --> 00:55:23,822 For our congregants the Dickinsons... 1078 00:55:24,780 --> 00:55:26,990 and for the detectives working on this case. 1079 00:56:19,220 --> 00:56:20,240 Give me a second. 1080 00:56:27,634 --> 00:56:29,224 - The usual? - Please. 1081 00:56:32,681 --> 00:56:34,891 Pretty soon, I'm gonna have to start calling you a regular. 1082 00:56:34,975 --> 00:56:36,135 Last time, I promise. 1083 00:56:37,686 --> 00:56:38,846 People will talk. 1084 00:56:41,315 --> 00:56:43,435 In my job, I can't have people talking. 1085 00:56:44,484 --> 00:56:45,574 I was kidding. 1086 00:56:49,531 --> 00:56:51,581 So what does one do for fun around here? 1087 00:56:52,284 --> 00:56:54,164 You have a lot of free time at Quantico? 1088 00:56:55,746 --> 00:56:56,786 Not really, no. 1089 00:56:58,248 --> 00:57:01,628 But if I did, if I did have a night off, is there a place? 1090 00:57:03,587 --> 00:57:04,587 For us? 1091 00:57:05,797 --> 00:57:07,587 Are you looking for a tour guide... 1092 00:57:08,884 --> 00:57:09,884 or a date? 1093 00:57:13,513 --> 00:57:14,513 A date.