1 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,188 Good morning! You're listening to Radio 103. 2 00:04:54,317 --> 00:04:57,355 It's six on the dot, time for "Questions of the Day" 3 00:04:58,196 --> 00:05:01,155 when we read out the questions that have been keeping you up at night. 4 00:05:02,158 --> 00:05:03,945 We've selected the ones most asked. 5 00:05:04,368 --> 00:05:05,779 So here we go. 6 00:05:05,870 --> 00:05:09,113 Number one: how did Pope Francis II die? 7 00:05:13,753 --> 00:05:17,918 Number two: does anyone believe the story of his sudden illness? 8 00:05:19,967 --> 00:05:24,632 Number three: didn't the same thing happen to Pope John Paul I? 9 00:05:27,183 --> 00:05:30,642 Number four: isn't it true that Pope John Paul I 10 00:05:30,853 --> 00:05:34,893 caused more than a few problems for the upper echelons at the Vatican? 11 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,649 Number five: does history repeat itself? 12 00:05:42,740 --> 00:05:45,949 Number six: who will the new Pope be? 13 00:05:52,124 --> 00:05:53,285 Come here. 14 00:06:10,101 --> 00:06:11,933 On your knees. 15 00:06:15,731 --> 00:06:17,643 Just don't get me dirty. 16 00:06:45,428 --> 00:06:46,794 I have to change. 17 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:00,607 I'm off. 18 00:07:01,944 --> 00:07:04,402 Come back with the new Pope in your pocket. 19 00:07:05,323 --> 00:07:08,532 By the way, they say Brannox is very attractive. 20 00:07:09,660 --> 00:07:13,028 Then I will use all my brazen charm to persuade him. 21 00:07:13,122 --> 00:07:15,205 Don't get me all excited once again. 22 00:07:15,875 --> 00:07:18,458 I've got a lot of projects to propose to Brannox. 23 00:07:18,919 --> 00:07:21,377 You only have one project in life, Tomas. 24 00:07:21,922 --> 00:07:23,788 To give me pleasure. 25 00:08:32,368 --> 00:08:33,609 Well, Voiello 26 00:08:34,245 --> 00:08:36,578 more than one article insinuates 27 00:08:37,373 --> 00:08:39,205 between the lines, of course 28 00:08:39,417 --> 00:08:42,205 that you may have had a hand 29 00:08:42,420 --> 00:08:45,208 in Francis II's death. 30 00:08:46,882 --> 00:08:48,748 I can't blame them. 31 00:08:48,843 --> 00:08:52,883 If I were in their shoes, I would be suspicious of me as well. 32 00:08:53,639 --> 00:08:56,256 - Are you nervous? - I am always nervous. 33 00:08:56,392 --> 00:08:58,600 I am not a bland man, you know. 34 00:08:58,853 --> 00:09:00,936 What makes you nervous? 35 00:09:01,522 --> 00:09:02,522 Haste. 36 00:09:02,857 --> 00:09:07,773 I agree, haste drove us to make a rather questionable choice. 37 00:09:09,447 --> 00:09:10,447 Francis II. 38 00:09:11,740 --> 00:09:14,778 We have to convince Brannox to accept 39 00:09:14,994 --> 00:09:18,908 before we return to Rome for Francis II's funeral. 40 00:09:19,123 --> 00:09:22,082 Why do you need him to agree in advance? 41 00:09:22,209 --> 00:09:25,668 We can't afford to vote for him in the conclave and then, perhaps 42 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,918 he doesn't accept - there is a risk. 43 00:09:29,133 --> 00:09:32,297 I am told he is a difficult man full of doubts 44 00:09:32,887 --> 00:09:34,628 and lofty. 45 00:09:34,722 --> 00:09:37,260 I want a new Pope on the first vote. 46 00:09:37,808 --> 00:09:40,642 Sir John is a priest of the highest calibre. 47 00:09:41,020 --> 00:09:44,354 A true father figure, wise and well-balanced. 48 00:09:45,149 --> 00:09:49,393 We spent many fruitful days of serene study together 49 00:09:50,779 --> 00:09:53,317 during the European synod. 50 00:09:54,909 --> 00:09:58,152 They say sometimes he tends toward depression. 51 00:09:58,370 --> 00:10:01,989 Do you know of a priest who doesn't have this tendency, Eminence? 52 00:10:03,125 --> 00:10:06,994 At any rate, it's astounding how many Anglicans 53 00:10:07,129 --> 00:10:10,793 he has converted to Catholicism. A multitude. 54 00:10:11,425 --> 00:10:14,384 He did not attend the last conclave. 55 00:10:14,595 --> 00:10:16,803 I find this unbecoming. 56 00:10:17,306 --> 00:10:19,468 He wasn't able to attend 57 00:10:19,683 --> 00:10:23,973 because he had to look after his elderly, ill parents. 58 00:10:24,688 --> 00:10:28,682 Speaking of which, he has written me a very moving letter 59 00:10:28,859 --> 00:10:32,728 thirty-six pages, which I would like to share with all of you. 60 00:10:33,614 --> 00:10:35,105 Please. 61 00:10:37,701 --> 00:10:39,784 What would Pius XIII say? 62 00:10:40,371 --> 00:10:43,409 We have forgotten about Pius XIII. 63 00:10:45,459 --> 00:10:48,873 I have not forgotten him, Gutierrez 64 00:10:49,088 --> 00:10:51,330 rather, I am trying to honour him. 65 00:10:52,174 --> 00:10:55,087 Our beloved Lenny began his papacy 66 00:10:55,177 --> 00:10:59,638 animated by intransigence, but in the end he softened. 67 00:11:00,349 --> 00:11:02,932 He was searching for the middle way. 68 00:11:03,394 --> 00:11:07,013 Which is why we are going to see Sir John Brannox. 69 00:11:07,231 --> 00:11:11,646 He is the great theorist of the middle way. 70 00:11:11,986 --> 00:11:15,946 First conscience, then the papal infallibility. 71 00:11:16,365 --> 00:11:20,029 First the softness of compromise, then the dogma. 72 00:11:21,036 --> 00:11:25,280 This, roughly speaking, is Sir John's philosophy 73 00:11:25,499 --> 00:11:29,163 and the only philosophy that can placate 74 00:11:29,545 --> 00:11:31,036 the sex scandals 75 00:11:31,213 --> 00:11:35,423 the terrorist threats, the drift toward idolatry 76 00:11:35,509 --> 00:11:37,341 of Pius XIII 77 00:11:37,511 --> 00:11:40,049 and the dreadful suspicions regarding 78 00:11:40,222 --> 00:11:42,805 the death of Francis II. 79 00:11:43,392 --> 00:11:46,851 We are under siege, do you understand that? 80 00:11:47,855 --> 00:11:50,563 Which is why we are at haste. 81 00:11:51,025 --> 00:11:54,894 And which is why we have only one viable candidate 82 00:11:56,113 --> 00:11:58,196 Sir John Brannox. 83 00:12:04,788 --> 00:12:07,701 The famous statue of Cardinal Newman! 84 00:12:07,916 --> 00:12:11,409 I've only heard about that, but I've never seen it before. 85 00:12:11,837 --> 00:12:14,796 - Who's he? - What do you mean, who's he? 86 00:12:15,215 --> 00:12:18,253 Sir John's philosophical, spiritual mentor. 87 00:12:34,902 --> 00:12:35,938 It's him! 88 00:12:45,579 --> 00:12:46,945 It's not him. 89 00:12:49,500 --> 00:12:51,913 We are the Vatican delegation. 90 00:12:52,127 --> 00:12:54,585 His Eminence is expecting us. 91 00:12:55,381 --> 00:12:57,714 As his Eminence always says 92 00:12:57,841 --> 00:13:00,959 "We are all expected sooner or later." 93 00:13:01,178 --> 00:13:04,091 I told you he tends toward depression. 94 00:13:05,182 --> 00:13:08,300 His Eminence sends his apologies but he was extremely tired. 95 00:13:09,061 --> 00:13:11,724 And he never goes to bed later than 10:30. 96 00:13:12,606 --> 00:13:14,973 He is looking forward to seeing you all in the morning 97 00:13:15,067 --> 00:13:16,808 so allow me to show you to your rooms. 98 00:13:16,902 --> 00:13:20,816 Excuse me, but it's very important that we see him right away. 99 00:13:21,365 --> 00:13:24,733 We were planning on leaving early tomorrow morning. 100 00:13:24,910 --> 00:13:26,196 Impossibile. 101 00:13:26,662 --> 00:13:31,157 Sir John never alters his habits, not even in the face of death. 102 00:13:31,291 --> 00:13:32,998 Are there ghosts here? 103 00:13:33,085 --> 00:13:34,292 Yes. 104 00:15:00,756 --> 00:15:03,544 I felt lonely, all of a sudden. 105 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,268 But if I let you come in now 106 00:15:18,816 --> 00:15:21,024 we'll feel even more lonely... 107 00:15:22,110 --> 00:15:23,476 later. 108 00:15:53,433 --> 00:15:55,425 You made the right decision. 109 00:15:57,187 --> 00:15:59,429 Pleasure leads to pain. 110 00:16:04,820 --> 00:16:07,437 - What's that music? - I think it's him. 111 00:16:07,656 --> 00:16:08,772 Sir John. 112 00:16:09,741 --> 00:16:12,609 - What's he like? Have you seen him? - Not yet. 113 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:14,827 He was tired. 114 00:16:15,038 --> 00:16:17,121 What is it, a harpsichord? 115 00:16:17,332 --> 00:16:18,994 No, it's a harp. 116 00:16:19,167 --> 00:16:21,250 You're wrong, it's a harpsichord. 117 00:16:21,378 --> 00:16:22,459 Enough. 118 00:16:26,967 --> 00:16:29,755 These noblemen are looking at me. 119 00:16:34,224 --> 00:16:35,385 Lick me. 120 00:19:45,499 --> 00:19:48,242 We'll never be apart, will we, John? 121 00:19:49,336 --> 00:19:51,669 Never, Adam. Never. 122 00:20:43,390 --> 00:20:45,052 There you are, Eminence. 123 00:20:45,559 --> 00:20:47,516 I've finally found you. 124 00:20:47,727 --> 00:20:50,595 They have been sitting there like that 125 00:20:51,606 --> 00:20:53,222 without moving 126 00:20:53,441 --> 00:20:55,353 an hour and ten minutes. 127 00:20:55,569 --> 00:20:58,733 What is it, some sort of embalming process? 128 00:20:59,322 --> 00:21:02,440 No, it's unbearable grief. 129 00:21:04,619 --> 00:21:07,908 Is the one in the tomb their son? 130 00:21:09,291 --> 00:21:11,704 Sir John's twin brother, Adam. 131 00:21:14,421 --> 00:21:16,378 Even after 40 years 132 00:21:16,590 --> 00:21:19,549 the duke and duchess will sit there like that 133 00:21:20,343 --> 00:21:22,175 for another eight hours. 134 00:21:23,013 --> 00:21:24,800 And then, at sunset 135 00:21:25,765 --> 00:21:28,382 Duchess Brannox will sigh, just once 136 00:21:30,103 --> 00:21:32,937 and the servants will know that it's time to go back inside. 137 00:21:34,858 --> 00:21:38,477 And it's time for you to go inside as well, Eminence. 138 00:21:38,778 --> 00:21:40,269 Sir John is waiting for you. 139 00:21:40,488 --> 00:21:41,649 Finally. 140 00:22:25,659 --> 00:22:28,276 Do you know where I might find Sir John? 141 00:22:31,039 --> 00:22:33,531 You just have, Eminence. 142 00:22:53,561 --> 00:22:54,561 Hmm. 143 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,227 So, here we are 144 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,820 faced with the frightful task of having to converse. 145 00:23:04,364 --> 00:23:07,607 Unfortunately, they still have not discovered 146 00:23:07,701 --> 00:23:11,285 any better way to make someone's acquaintance. 147 00:23:11,496 --> 00:23:14,489 Nonsense, of course they have. What about love at first sight 148 00:23:14,541 --> 00:23:16,749 followed by amorous passion 149 00:23:16,835 --> 00:23:18,701 savage and silent? 150 00:23:19,462 --> 00:23:22,330 That would make me uncomfortable 151 00:23:22,465 --> 00:23:26,675 so let's stick with an old-fashioned conversation. 152 00:23:28,722 --> 00:23:30,133 - I am... - You... 153 00:23:31,308 --> 00:23:34,517 are the star, everyone knows who you are. 154 00:23:34,894 --> 00:23:37,762 His Eminence, Cardinal Angelo Voiello. 155 00:23:38,565 --> 00:23:43,606 Do you know how many times I read your delightful "Man Behind the Scenes"? 156 00:23:43,945 --> 00:23:45,937 - No, how many? - Once. 157 00:23:47,407 --> 00:23:51,151 Because I said to myself, if I read this book again 158 00:23:51,328 --> 00:23:55,163 there is a good chance I will turn decidedly bad. 159 00:24:08,970 --> 00:24:11,337 So, how do you find me? 160 00:24:12,599 --> 00:24:16,684 - I would say well, Eminence. - I'm chuffed. 161 00:24:17,687 --> 00:24:21,226 It's only others who truly know how I am. 162 00:24:22,692 --> 00:24:27,027 I imagine that you can well imagine the reason for our visit. 163 00:24:28,114 --> 00:24:31,698 I have no imagination, Eminence. 164 00:24:31,785 --> 00:24:35,620 So, in order to lead an acceptable existence 165 00:24:35,705 --> 00:24:38,413 I've learnt to pare down the questions. 166 00:24:38,541 --> 00:24:41,158 Then allow me to inform you... 167 00:24:41,378 --> 00:24:43,586 Have you already seen my parents? 168 00:24:44,381 --> 00:24:47,465 I believe I caught a glimpse of them. 169 00:24:47,801 --> 00:24:50,293 Oh. You were very fortunate. 170 00:24:50,512 --> 00:24:52,799 It is not easy to intercept them. 171 00:24:52,931 --> 00:24:55,969 They live in the other wing of the castle, the north wing 172 00:24:56,142 --> 00:25:00,136 so as to scrupulously avoid ever having to see me. 173 00:25:01,523 --> 00:25:04,732 Family dynamics can be wearing. 174 00:25:06,528 --> 00:25:09,145 Everything can be wearing here. 175 00:25:09,489 --> 00:25:12,277 The weather, the food, the monotony, London. 176 00:25:14,828 --> 00:25:18,538 Do you know why my parents never ever wish to see me? 177 00:25:19,332 --> 00:25:20,789 No, why? 178 00:25:21,042 --> 00:25:23,750 Because they believe I did not do enough 179 00:25:23,962 --> 00:25:26,420 to save the life of my twin brother Adam 180 00:25:26,506 --> 00:25:31,342 their favourite son, on a cold winter's day back in 1985. 181 00:25:34,389 --> 00:25:35,925 I am sorry. 182 00:25:37,183 --> 00:25:40,221 Oh, there's little to be sorry about now. 183 00:25:41,312 --> 00:25:44,771 My parents are only doing what all humans do 184 00:25:45,066 --> 00:25:48,104 blaming everything on others. 185 00:25:49,946 --> 00:25:54,281 However, at least we Catholics blame everything on God. 186 00:25:55,535 --> 00:25:58,278 Actually, we give Him all the credit. 187 00:25:59,747 --> 00:26:01,704 Is that not the same thing? 188 00:26:03,668 --> 00:26:04,668 Tell me... 189 00:26:06,838 --> 00:26:09,831 how much of his life does a Secretary of State 190 00:26:09,966 --> 00:26:12,128 spend informing himself? 191 00:26:12,635 --> 00:26:15,093 All of it, even when I pray 192 00:26:15,138 --> 00:26:16,925 I inform myself. 193 00:26:20,351 --> 00:26:22,889 That joke is terribly funny 194 00:26:23,313 --> 00:26:25,350 even though I did not laugh. 195 00:26:26,774 --> 00:26:29,562 How is our beloved Pius XIII? 196 00:26:30,612 --> 00:26:31,728 Stable. 197 00:26:31,988 --> 00:26:34,605 But still in coma, unfortunately. 198 00:26:34,699 --> 00:26:37,282 Pius XIII was a great Pope. 199 00:26:38,328 --> 00:26:41,446 I wept when I learned his condition 200 00:26:41,539 --> 00:26:43,326 was irreversible. 201 00:26:44,375 --> 00:26:46,241 Oh, how I wept. 202 00:26:50,590 --> 00:26:52,673 Do you weep, Eminence? 203 00:26:55,762 --> 00:26:57,253 Far too often 204 00:26:57,388 --> 00:27:01,223 more than one would expect of the Secretary of State. 205 00:27:02,101 --> 00:27:04,468 And what do you weep for? 206 00:27:04,979 --> 00:27:09,394 For Hollywood romances and friends who suffer. 207 00:27:11,027 --> 00:27:13,986 And you? What do you weep for? 208 00:27:14,197 --> 00:27:18,157 For the inexhaustible imperfection of the world. 209 00:27:22,914 --> 00:27:25,657 It must not be easy being you. 210 00:27:25,959 --> 00:27:27,325 It is not. 211 00:27:36,678 --> 00:27:41,469 I want to make one thing perfectly clear 212 00:27:42,475 --> 00:27:43,966 from the start. 213 00:27:45,228 --> 00:27:47,515 I loved my brother Adam. 214 00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:53,521 Sir John... 215 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,107 when will I see you again? 216 00:28:02,370 --> 00:28:06,034 A question a lover would ask, Eminence. 217 00:28:21,431 --> 00:28:23,423 Last night, in my room 218 00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:27,559 I felt the clear presence of Pius XIII next to me. 219 00:28:50,126 --> 00:28:52,539 What sort of woman do you think she is? 220 00:28:55,214 --> 00:28:57,706 Pardon my vulgarity, sir 221 00:28:58,176 --> 00:29:01,214 but she... is a beauty. 222 00:29:04,098 --> 00:29:07,557 Why did you not bring me my box last night? 223 00:29:08,770 --> 00:29:10,432 I did bring it, Sir John. 224 00:29:11,314 --> 00:29:13,556 I left it on your bedside table 225 00:29:13,775 --> 00:29:15,437 in the usual place. 226 00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:18,185 I couldn't find it. 227 00:29:19,989 --> 00:29:22,652 Though I managed to fall asleep anyway. 228 00:29:27,372 --> 00:29:29,534 Perhaps it's a sign. 229 00:29:32,001 --> 00:29:33,117 Perhaps. 230 00:29:44,430 --> 00:29:46,137 They're coming back early. 231 00:29:51,270 --> 00:29:52,636 Strange. 232 00:30:24,387 --> 00:30:28,506 So, Eminence, the reason for our visit... 233 00:30:29,225 --> 00:30:32,593 How did Francis II die, actually? 234 00:30:33,020 --> 00:30:34,136 Heart attack. 235 00:30:34,397 --> 00:30:36,810 - Like John Paul I. - Exactly. 236 00:30:37,692 --> 00:30:42,904 One of Giambattista Vico's ever-recurring cycles of human history. 237 00:30:43,573 --> 00:30:48,068 Your brazen tendency to oversimplify alarms me, Voiello. 238 00:30:48,578 --> 00:30:53,118 I suffered when Great Britain voted in favour of Brexit. 239 00:30:54,083 --> 00:30:58,828 Another small step toward the de-Christianisation of Europe. 240 00:30:59,172 --> 00:31:02,256 You already sound like a Pope, Eminence. 241 00:31:02,592 --> 00:31:06,427 And you like an aspiring Secretary of State, Eminence. 242 00:31:11,142 --> 00:31:13,099 Do tell, Gutierrez 243 00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:16,057 how is the weather in Rome these days? 244 00:31:16,147 --> 00:31:18,059 I haven't been there since I was young 245 00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:21,813 when I was a student at Gregorian University. 246 00:31:24,155 --> 00:31:25,862 Constantly mild, Eminence. 247 00:31:26,032 --> 00:31:27,489 Not here. 248 00:31:27,867 --> 00:31:30,280 Here, the weather is a torment 249 00:31:30,495 --> 00:31:34,034 and life ends up adapting to the weather. 250 00:31:34,165 --> 00:31:37,499 Rome is different, Rome is joyful 251 00:31:37,710 --> 00:31:41,420 and life ends up adapting itself to Rome. 252 00:31:42,882 --> 00:31:46,626 How large is your estate, Eminence? 253 00:31:49,096 --> 00:31:50,712 I've no idea. 254 00:31:51,682 --> 00:31:55,642 Around 2,500 acres or so, I would have thought. 255 00:31:57,021 --> 00:31:59,764 The Vatican is only 108. 256 00:31:59,982 --> 00:32:03,475 It would be so much easier to manage, Eminence. 257 00:32:03,694 --> 00:32:07,529 Quite frankly, I'm astounded at the method you chose 258 00:32:07,657 --> 00:32:10,070 to make me such a proposal. 259 00:32:10,159 --> 00:32:13,573 As if you're offering me a position as CEO. 260 00:32:13,704 --> 00:32:17,789 They are pretending to be unaware of the enormous spiritual weight 261 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,122 that such a mission requires. 262 00:32:21,587 --> 00:32:25,672 To be Pope, Eminence, is a martyrdom. 263 00:32:26,259 --> 00:32:28,376 And after Pius XIII... 264 00:32:29,512 --> 00:32:30,548 it's a burden. 265 00:32:31,305 --> 00:32:33,718 And after Francis II... 266 00:32:35,643 --> 00:32:37,475 it's suspect. 267 00:32:39,188 --> 00:32:42,147 Thank you for your precious help, Gutierrez 268 00:32:42,275 --> 00:32:44,938 but being Pope is not a martyrdom 269 00:32:45,736 --> 00:32:48,103 it is an enormous privilege. 270 00:32:48,573 --> 00:32:51,691 Eminence, I am astounded at the results you have obtained. 271 00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:55,277 All those Anglicans converting to Catholicism. 272 00:32:55,496 --> 00:32:57,078 How did you do it? 273 00:32:57,290 --> 00:32:59,657 By talking about other things. 274 00:33:00,751 --> 00:33:02,993 For years, these rooms were 275 00:33:03,087 --> 00:33:05,830 a temple for light-hearted encounters. 276 00:33:05,965 --> 00:33:09,129 People expect a priest to talk about religion 277 00:33:09,260 --> 00:33:13,300 but I knew that a revealed religion must be poetic. 278 00:33:14,682 --> 00:33:18,722 So I would speak with them about golf, Hölderlin 279 00:33:19,645 --> 00:33:22,513 Montale and the Arsenal football club 280 00:33:22,607 --> 00:33:25,850 and the way women have of crossing their legs. 281 00:33:27,528 --> 00:33:28,735 Poetry. 282 00:33:30,823 --> 00:33:35,158 And they would discover what it means to be Catholic. 283 00:33:35,995 --> 00:33:40,615 It means being everything, for everything belongs to the grace of God. 284 00:33:41,334 --> 00:33:43,792 I could hear myself talking 285 00:33:44,003 --> 00:33:47,121 and realised that I was playing a part. 286 00:33:49,175 --> 00:33:52,759 Good actors know that, at a certain point 287 00:33:53,387 --> 00:33:56,676 it is time to withdraw from the stage. 288 00:33:58,643 --> 00:34:01,556 But great actors die on stage 289 00:34:02,063 --> 00:34:04,771 because they never stop improving. 290 00:34:05,816 --> 00:34:07,899 And growing, I know. 291 00:34:09,695 --> 00:34:12,483 "Growth is the only evidence of life" 292 00:34:12,698 --> 00:34:14,860 Cardinal Newman used to say. 293 00:34:15,701 --> 00:34:19,911 But the everlasting question is: do I want to grow? 294 00:34:20,539 --> 00:34:22,906 Do I want to live? 295 00:34:35,346 --> 00:34:38,384 You want me to be the next Pope. 296 00:34:42,478 --> 00:34:44,390 The Church is naked 297 00:34:44,730 --> 00:34:48,144 and you believe the most suitable outfit 298 00:34:48,859 --> 00:34:51,852 in which to clothe her is my famous middle way. 299 00:34:53,614 --> 00:34:56,698 But, since the Church is already naked 300 00:34:57,493 --> 00:35:00,827 before dressing her again, you need to examine her 301 00:35:01,914 --> 00:35:04,076 the way a doctor would. 302 00:35:06,460 --> 00:35:10,795 Diagnosing the Church is a colossal enterprise, Voiello 303 00:35:11,340 --> 00:35:14,128 which you underestimate gravely. 304 00:35:15,177 --> 00:35:18,090 It is essential to distinguish 305 00:35:18,180 --> 00:35:21,423 between what is physiological 306 00:35:22,059 --> 00:35:24,597 and what is pathological 307 00:35:24,812 --> 00:35:26,895 in the body of the Church. 308 00:35:27,189 --> 00:35:31,934 There. His Eminence has just explained to you 309 00:35:32,153 --> 00:35:35,112 the basic principle of the middle way. 310 00:35:37,533 --> 00:35:38,865 Will you... 311 00:35:39,493 --> 00:35:41,985 take the stage again, Sir John? 312 00:35:45,875 --> 00:35:47,411 I don't know. 313 00:35:48,377 --> 00:35:49,743 I don't know. 314 00:35:50,588 --> 00:35:53,501 You oversimplify things, Voiello. 315 00:36:07,396 --> 00:36:10,605 Today was the first day in a long while 316 00:36:11,442 --> 00:36:14,105 I was unable to speak with God. 317 00:36:15,237 --> 00:36:17,900 The words that came to me were ugly. 318 00:36:18,699 --> 00:36:19,906 Ugly? 319 00:36:21,327 --> 00:36:22,693 How? 320 00:36:23,537 --> 00:36:24,994 False. 321 00:36:30,586 --> 00:36:32,543 And just like that 322 00:36:33,130 --> 00:36:34,871 the flower blossomed 323 00:36:35,382 --> 00:36:37,123 right before my eyes. 324 00:36:39,678 --> 00:36:43,467 I placed a hand on my belly and whispered 325 00:36:43,849 --> 00:36:45,932 "I feel it, Holy Father 326 00:36:46,143 --> 00:36:47,554 I feel it." 327 00:36:47,937 --> 00:36:50,680 And Pius XIII... 328 00:36:52,942 --> 00:36:56,026 without looking at me, closed his eyes and said 329 00:36:56,695 --> 00:37:00,029 in a voice filled with grace 330 00:37:01,450 --> 00:37:03,533 "I feel it too, Ester. 331 00:37:05,663 --> 00:37:07,575 Yes, you are pregnant 332 00:37:08,082 --> 00:37:10,825 and you will have a beautiful baby boy. 333 00:37:11,919 --> 00:37:13,126 But please 334 00:37:13,504 --> 00:37:15,370 let's not call it a miracle 335 00:37:16,799 --> 00:37:19,883 let's let mystery remain mystery." 336 00:37:24,807 --> 00:37:25,968 Beautiful. 337 00:37:27,143 --> 00:37:28,725 Beautiful, Ester. 338 00:37:29,061 --> 00:37:31,394 Your story gives us joy 339 00:37:31,564 --> 00:37:34,022 it restores our hope. 340 00:37:34,608 --> 00:37:35,724 Yes. 341 00:37:36,277 --> 00:37:37,313 Hope! 342 00:37:42,449 --> 00:37:45,487 Two hundred euros? We agreed on 500. 343 00:37:45,786 --> 00:37:49,575 Please, don't you start busting my balls now too, I'm already late. 344 00:37:49,790 --> 00:37:51,497 Two hundred's all I can give you. 345 00:37:51,667 --> 00:37:55,502 Besides, you already told that miracle bullshit a thousand times 346 00:37:55,588 --> 00:37:57,329 on every TV in the world. 347 00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:08,681 Do you like it? 348 00:38:12,062 --> 00:38:14,896 Do you come here to pray or to drink? 349 00:38:15,357 --> 00:38:17,269 Well, first he drinks 350 00:38:17,610 --> 00:38:20,148 then he prays to God to help him stop. 351 00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:26,657 Barolo Anversano. 352 00:38:30,247 --> 00:38:32,990 - To... Brannox? - To Brannox. 353 00:38:37,087 --> 00:38:39,295 You're really sure he'll be the new Pope? 354 00:38:39,965 --> 00:38:42,924 I've got an insider, very reliable. 355 00:38:43,594 --> 00:38:45,677 - Who? - My wife. 356 00:38:46,430 --> 00:38:49,298 Your plan is brilliant, Tomas. 357 00:38:50,226 --> 00:38:53,219 You give new lustre to the term "wheeler-dealer". 358 00:38:54,104 --> 00:38:58,474 I still don't understand why you're so sure you can get into Brannox's good graces. 359 00:38:59,652 --> 00:39:01,735 Relax, Guicciardini, relax. 360 00:39:02,029 --> 00:39:04,362 I'm the Minister of Economy and Finance 361 00:39:04,490 --> 00:39:06,573 do you realise how exposed I am? 362 00:39:06,742 --> 00:39:10,452 So please don't tell me to relax, because that only makes me more upset. 363 00:39:11,830 --> 00:39:14,743 Guicciardini, look, the point is this 364 00:39:15,501 --> 00:39:19,165 it's not me who will want to get into Brannox's good graces 365 00:39:19,672 --> 00:39:22,540 it's Brannox, the new Pope 366 00:39:23,801 --> 00:39:26,839 who will want to get into my good graces. 367 00:39:28,430 --> 00:39:29,466 I don't understand. 368 00:39:30,140 --> 00:39:33,133 In the Vatican, whoever knows the Pope's secret 369 00:39:33,352 --> 00:39:35,560 becomes, in reality, the Pope. 370 00:39:35,771 --> 00:39:36,807 Now... 371 00:39:37,356 --> 00:39:42,852 guess who the only person is who knows the Pope's unspeakable secret? 372 00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:46,990 You? 373 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,567 You're a quick learner, Duilio, for a populist. 374 00:39:52,496 --> 00:39:53,862 What's his secret? 375 00:40:32,661 --> 00:40:37,622 Can you picture these photos on lighters, keychains, ashtrays? 376 00:40:38,709 --> 00:40:41,952 I can imagine a healthy sale of papal gadgets. 377 00:40:42,171 --> 00:40:43,171 Can't you? 378 00:40:43,547 --> 00:40:46,790 I am thinking bigger than that. 379 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,845 I can imagine a healthy trade of souls. 380 00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:57,092 He did finally say 381 00:40:57,436 --> 00:40:59,348 "I don't know." 382 00:40:59,563 --> 00:41:02,897 If you ask me, "I don't know" means yes. 383 00:41:03,776 --> 00:41:05,642 But he is still so wary 384 00:41:05,944 --> 00:41:07,355 so diffident. 385 00:41:08,489 --> 00:41:10,025 He's studying us. 386 00:41:10,282 --> 00:41:13,320 But we are supposed to be studying him. 387 00:41:13,619 --> 00:41:15,110 What is there to study? 388 00:41:15,287 --> 00:41:18,655 He has all the necessary qualifications to make a great Pope 389 00:41:19,458 --> 00:41:21,199 the soporific calm 390 00:41:21,418 --> 00:41:24,582 that is in perfect harmony with the Vatican's heartbeat 391 00:41:25,464 --> 00:41:29,629 the charisma to make people forget the recent past 392 00:41:30,386 --> 00:41:32,093 the moral equilibrium 393 00:41:32,262 --> 00:41:35,005 to defuse the turbulence of the present. 394 00:41:35,182 --> 00:41:36,889 And what about the future? 395 00:41:37,017 --> 00:41:39,054 Don't be so naive, Aguirre. 396 00:41:39,144 --> 00:41:42,308 The Church doesn't have time to worry about the future. 397 00:41:42,398 --> 00:41:45,641 What's more, he's persuasive, seductive. 398 00:41:46,193 --> 00:41:48,401 He envelops you. 399 00:41:48,821 --> 00:41:51,404 The man seems to be made of velvet. 400 00:41:52,491 --> 00:41:54,357 What do you think, Eminence? 401 00:41:56,412 --> 00:41:58,620 I think we have to hurry 402 00:41:58,747 --> 00:42:00,579 we don't have much time. 403 00:42:01,250 --> 00:42:04,288 We must raise the question directly. 404 00:42:04,753 --> 00:42:06,369 Leave the talking to me. 405 00:42:06,839 --> 00:42:08,580 Ma'am, Eminences... 406 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,042 Sir John would like to speak with you. 407 00:42:13,846 --> 00:42:14,882 Eminence... 408 00:42:15,806 --> 00:42:19,049 Might I have a word... in private? 409 00:42:20,561 --> 00:42:23,645 I've been looking after Sir John since he was a boy. 410 00:42:24,648 --> 00:42:26,856 He is a magnificent person. 411 00:42:28,235 --> 00:42:31,774 But he's also... fragile. 412 00:42:33,115 --> 00:42:34,231 Delicate. 413 00:42:35,492 --> 00:42:37,108 A piece of porcelain. 414 00:42:37,619 --> 00:42:41,863 Beautiful, glazed and moulded by great artists, but... 415 00:42:42,916 --> 00:42:45,078 he's porcelain, nevertheless. 416 00:42:46,712 --> 00:42:50,046 His life has been burdened with crippling sorrows 417 00:42:50,883 --> 00:42:53,421 and unspeakable disappointments. 418 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,343 We will not be another disappointment. 419 00:42:56,597 --> 00:43:01,058 Sir John will become Pope at the first round of voting. 420 00:43:01,435 --> 00:43:06,396 It will be the swiftest conclave in history, I promise. 421 00:43:33,759 --> 00:43:36,593 I am a fragile, delicate man. 422 00:43:37,179 --> 00:43:40,718 True. A piece of porcelain, am I right? 423 00:43:41,350 --> 00:43:43,637 A beautiful piece of porcelain. 424 00:43:43,727 --> 00:43:46,390 Perhaps what you need is a man of steel. 425 00:43:46,688 --> 00:43:47,688 No. 426 00:43:48,023 --> 00:43:52,108 That is what lay governments and stupid people need. 427 00:43:53,487 --> 00:43:55,774 We are the Church, Sir John. 428 00:43:56,823 --> 00:43:58,735 Our duty is love. 429 00:44:00,244 --> 00:44:02,281 Do you know what I crave? 430 00:44:02,996 --> 00:44:06,239 - What? - That you would speak to me of this love. 431 00:44:07,834 --> 00:44:08,834 Now... 432 00:44:09,461 --> 00:44:13,250 I will truly be honest, Sir John. 433 00:44:14,174 --> 00:44:17,167 I am rather weak on that topic. 434 00:44:17,386 --> 00:44:19,628 I would risk ruining everything. 435 00:44:20,305 --> 00:44:22,046 In that case, perhaps 436 00:44:22,224 --> 00:44:25,934 Monsignor Gutierrez will speak to me of love. 437 00:44:36,989 --> 00:44:39,823 Love is an abstract concept 438 00:44:41,201 --> 00:44:43,534 but a necessary one. 439 00:44:46,290 --> 00:44:49,249 Like happiness, like intelligence... 440 00:44:51,503 --> 00:44:52,835 like God. 441 00:44:58,510 --> 00:45:00,467 When I was a boy... 442 00:45:04,641 --> 00:45:06,633 a man took advantage of me 443 00:45:07,394 --> 00:45:09,556 and as he did so 444 00:45:11,315 --> 00:45:12,647 he would say... 445 00:45:14,943 --> 00:45:16,650 "God does not exist." 446 00:45:19,072 --> 00:45:22,691 And I would answer back in God's place 447 00:45:24,620 --> 00:45:27,738 "Even if He doesn't exist 448 00:45:30,751 --> 00:45:33,915 we desperately need to believe He's there." 449 00:45:50,562 --> 00:45:53,555 And you, Eminence? What is love to you? 450 00:45:57,069 --> 00:46:00,528 A vagrant lies dying on a street corner 451 00:46:00,656 --> 00:46:03,820 the government says to him: "I'll help you." 452 00:46:04,368 --> 00:46:07,076 The doctor says to him: "I'll cure you." 453 00:46:07,788 --> 00:46:11,202 His daughter says to him: "I'll give you money." 454 00:46:11,291 --> 00:46:15,376 His friend says to him: "I'll share my wine with you." 455 00:46:18,131 --> 00:46:21,215 And the Church says nothing to him. 456 00:46:24,388 --> 00:46:27,472 The Church is thinking about him. 457 00:46:32,145 --> 00:46:34,262 Will you accept, Eminence? 458 00:46:35,273 --> 00:46:39,859 Tonight, I will search for the answer hidden in my heart. 459 00:46:41,363 --> 00:46:45,277 Tonight, the Church is thinking about that vagrant 460 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,949 and I will be thinking about the Church.