1 00:00:04,995 --> 00:00:06,079 Good evening. 2 00:00:06,955 --> 00:00:09,666 Tonight, I can report to the American people 3 00:00:09,749 --> 00:00:12,961 and to the world that the United States has conducted 4 00:00:13,044 --> 00:00:15,338 an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, 5 00:00:15,630 --> 00:00:16,631 the leader of Al-Qaeda… 6 00:00:16,715 --> 00:00:18,967 I've been really trying to take the human mind 7 00:00:19,050 --> 00:00:20,301 really seriously. 8 00:00:20,552 --> 00:00:24,347 The lives of everyone who flies on a plane may depend on it. 9 00:00:24,431 --> 00:00:26,141 …dismantle and defeat his network… 10 00:00:26,224 --> 00:00:28,852 The nation's new princess could look back with such… 11 00:00:28,935 --> 00:00:31,021 But I've become increasingly concerned 12 00:00:31,104 --> 00:00:34,941 about doing so much unproven testing on pilots. 13 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,320 So, I thought it might be wise to run some of my riskier experiments 14 00:00:39,404 --> 00:00:40,905 on animals first. 15 00:00:41,823 --> 00:00:44,492 After all, we did evolve from them. 16 00:00:46,119 --> 00:00:47,120 Let's go. 17 00:00:48,246 --> 00:00:52,625 Several months ago, I met a couple who had recently cloned their dog. 18 00:00:53,084 --> 00:00:55,295 The original dog's name was Achilles, 19 00:00:55,378 --> 00:00:58,214 and his clones are named Apollo, Zeus, and Theseus. 20 00:00:58,298 --> 00:00:59,424 Hi, lovelies. 21 00:01:00,216 --> 00:01:01,843 Like, just look at that and, like, 22 00:01:01,968 --> 00:01:05,180 look at them, and you're like, "Oh, yeah, that's the same dog." 23 00:01:05,263 --> 00:01:07,640 Apparently, this is an actual science thing 24 00:01:07,724 --> 00:01:08,725 that can be done. 25 00:01:08,808 --> 00:01:10,643 Never kissed a clone before. 26 00:01:12,312 --> 00:01:14,147 Achilles was our child. He was it. 27 00:01:14,230 --> 00:01:16,900 He was our everything. And so when he passed, 28 00:01:16,983 --> 00:01:19,819 - I just said, "Let's do this." - Right away, "Let's clone Achilles." 29 00:01:19,903 --> 00:01:23,490 Yeah. And we were blessed with three of him. 30 00:01:23,573 --> 00:01:24,783 Three of the same dog. 31 00:01:24,866 --> 00:01:26,743 But I discovered that dog owners 32 00:01:26,826 --> 00:01:29,412 who pay upwards of 50,000 dollars 33 00:01:29,496 --> 00:01:32,082 for the procedure of cloning a dead pet 34 00:01:32,290 --> 00:01:34,501 are often unsatisfied with the results. 35 00:01:34,793 --> 00:01:35,794 No, no, no. 36 00:01:37,796 --> 00:01:39,089 My impression initially was 37 00:01:39,172 --> 00:01:41,508 that there were no similarities, in personality 38 00:01:42,008 --> 00:01:44,135 between Achilles and these young guys. 39 00:01:44,260 --> 00:01:45,720 They all look just like him. 40 00:01:46,137 --> 00:01:48,264 There's just some things they can't control in a lab. 41 00:01:48,348 --> 00:01:49,682 Which makes sense. 42 00:01:49,766 --> 00:01:52,852 The DNA, or the "nature," might be the same, 43 00:01:53,144 --> 00:01:54,437 but the original dog 44 00:01:54,521 --> 00:01:57,649 had a completely different upbringing than the clones. 45 00:01:57,857 --> 00:02:00,193 The "nurture" was very different. 46 00:02:02,070 --> 00:02:05,824 Present day, Monique and Bogdan are raising their three clones 47 00:02:06,116 --> 00:02:09,577 in the quiet and spacious town of Lone Tree, Colorado. 48 00:02:09,661 --> 00:02:11,788 But when Achilles was growing up, 49 00:02:11,871 --> 00:02:14,249 the couple lived in a cramped apartment 50 00:02:14,332 --> 00:02:16,918 in the bustling tech mecca of San Jose, 51 00:02:17,001 --> 00:02:21,005 where Bogdan worked for Intel and Monique mostly stayed home. 52 00:02:21,089 --> 00:02:22,882 So, at the time, I was just a pet mom, 53 00:02:22,966 --> 00:02:25,552 just taking care of Achilles and my cats. They were, like, 54 00:02:25,635 --> 00:02:27,387 my world. They were everything. 55 00:02:27,470 --> 00:02:30,723 Back then, we could not have afforded to clone him. 56 00:02:30,807 --> 00:02:32,142 - Or clone anything… - Clone anything. 57 00:02:32,225 --> 00:02:33,977 …actually, back then. Yeah, not at all. 58 00:02:34,561 --> 00:02:35,812 Sorry. I'm just saying. 59 00:02:36,813 --> 00:02:37,939 So, yeah, this is all… 60 00:02:38,022 --> 00:02:39,524 - What was that? - That was just… 61 00:02:40,775 --> 00:02:41,901 - Rubbing her? - Yeah. 62 00:02:42,610 --> 00:02:45,780 Now, I'm gone from like 8:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m. 63 00:02:45,864 --> 00:02:47,323 Like, serious vampire hours. 64 00:02:47,407 --> 00:02:51,202 She now works as a DJ, and Bogdan works from home. 65 00:02:51,244 --> 00:02:52,787 Life is different for them now. 66 00:02:52,871 --> 00:02:54,372 Look. Look at all the hair on Bogdan there. 67 00:02:54,455 --> 00:02:55,874 - Yes. - Is that… what is that, 68 00:02:55,957 --> 00:02:57,250 - a dartboard? - Yeah. 69 00:02:58,376 --> 00:02:59,377 You have darts still? 70 00:02:59,460 --> 00:03:01,004 - No, I don't have that anymore. - No, we don't. 71 00:03:01,087 --> 00:03:02,088 So, you were playing darts? 72 00:03:04,507 --> 00:03:05,550 Recreationally. 73 00:03:05,633 --> 00:03:10,346 And this was the perfect opportunity to experiment with a theory I had. 74 00:03:10,638 --> 00:03:12,932 If you could have the clone of a dog 75 00:03:13,016 --> 00:03:16,269 live the exact life that the original dog had… 76 00:03:16,352 --> 00:03:18,188 Welcome to our stage. 77 00:03:19,731 --> 00:03:22,233 Oh, my gosh, that's exactly the chair I had. 78 00:03:22,525 --> 00:03:24,152 - It is. - It's the same remote. 79 00:03:24,277 --> 00:03:25,486 Same remote. 80 00:03:25,570 --> 00:03:28,489 …experiencing the exact same upbringing, 81 00:03:28,573 --> 00:03:31,701 would the personality of the new dog match as well? 82 00:03:34,412 --> 00:03:36,414 So, this is the set of their apartment 83 00:03:36,539 --> 00:03:37,624 from back then. 84 00:03:37,707 --> 00:03:39,500 All right, guys, I want to introduce you. 85 00:03:39,584 --> 00:03:41,878 - The… These are the actors… - Hi. 86 00:03:41,961 --> 00:03:43,546 - …that will be portraying you. - Hello. 87 00:03:43,630 --> 00:03:44,631 Come on in. 88 00:03:44,714 --> 00:03:46,799 Bogdan always gets up at exactly 7:30. 89 00:03:46,883 --> 00:03:49,427 Achilles and I would go for really long walks 90 00:03:49,510 --> 00:03:50,887 'cause it was just quite pleasant. 91 00:03:51,012 --> 00:03:52,430 I prepared coffee. 92 00:03:52,513 --> 00:03:54,474 One, two scoops. You know how it goes. 93 00:03:54,599 --> 00:03:56,601 We had talked about having children a long time ago, 94 00:03:56,684 --> 00:03:57,852 but he wasn't ready 95 00:03:57,936 --> 00:03:59,604 because he was so new at the company. 96 00:03:59,687 --> 00:04:02,607 And his ball would be right here with the kibble. 97 00:04:02,690 --> 00:04:04,943 It was like, "Okay, he's not ready." 98 00:04:05,109 --> 00:04:07,570 Okay. So, I mean, either I fight it… 99 00:04:07,904 --> 00:04:09,530 What… I mean, what do I do? 100 00:04:11,491 --> 00:04:14,619 The clone we selected to experiment on, Zeus, 101 00:04:14,744 --> 00:04:16,829 was still an impressionable puppy. 102 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,791 So, with actors working round-the-clock shifts, 103 00:04:19,874 --> 00:04:21,793 the hope was that with enough time 104 00:04:21,876 --> 00:04:24,504 living the life Achilles did at his age, 105 00:04:24,587 --> 00:04:27,590 Zeus would basically become the same dog. 106 00:04:29,509 --> 00:04:33,554 For Zeus's experience, setting this all in LA was helpful 107 00:04:33,638 --> 00:04:36,140 because unlike the mountainous Colorado, 108 00:04:36,224 --> 00:04:39,143 the altitude here was nearly an exact match 109 00:04:39,269 --> 00:04:41,729 to Achilles's original home in San Jose. 110 00:04:42,063 --> 00:04:43,064 Achilles! 111 00:04:44,107 --> 00:04:46,776 The only difference would be the smell of the city, 112 00:04:46,901 --> 00:04:48,403 which was easy to match 113 00:04:48,486 --> 00:04:52,907 by regularly collecting San Jose air using a compressor 114 00:04:52,991 --> 00:04:57,829 and transporting it 350 miles via truck to LA. 115 00:04:58,121 --> 00:05:00,707 That way, on Zeus's daily walks, 116 00:05:00,790 --> 00:05:04,460 he'd smell the same thing Achilles did back in 2011. 117 00:05:04,544 --> 00:05:09,590 And with period-appropriate cars and actors portraying tech moguls, 118 00:05:09,674 --> 00:05:12,885 it was your average San Jose morning but in LA. 119 00:05:12,969 --> 00:05:14,887 I'm so sad about Steve Jobs. 120 00:05:14,971 --> 00:05:16,806 - He was a legend, huh? - Yeah, I know. 121 00:05:17,015 --> 00:05:19,559 I had to miss the funeral, 'cause I overslept. 122 00:05:19,642 --> 00:05:22,228 That's right, your IPO was at midnight. How'd it go? 123 00:05:22,854 --> 00:05:25,690 I had planned to have Monique check in every week 124 00:05:25,773 --> 00:05:28,735 to see if Zeus was becoming more like Achilles. 125 00:05:29,277 --> 00:05:33,197 Her method of doing this was to have a fake diabetic attack 126 00:05:33,281 --> 00:05:36,367 because she said that Achilles had a unique reaction 127 00:05:36,451 --> 00:05:37,618 when she had a real one. 128 00:05:37,702 --> 00:05:39,996 He barked and he barked and he licked at me 129 00:05:40,079 --> 00:05:41,539 and he tried to wake me up. 130 00:05:42,081 --> 00:05:43,666 Come here. Call Daddy. 131 00:05:45,918 --> 00:05:49,088 But no matter how many times she pretended to die… 132 00:05:51,174 --> 00:05:53,134 Zeus didn't seem to care at all. 133 00:05:53,217 --> 00:05:54,677 You're not paying attention to Mommy. 134 00:05:54,761 --> 00:05:57,597 And when I tried to have the actors do the same thing 135 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,892 during the simulation, he cared even less. 136 00:06:06,814 --> 00:06:09,484 We were several weeks in with no results, 137 00:06:09,567 --> 00:06:12,487 and I was starting to lose hope in this experiment. 138 00:06:14,113 --> 00:06:17,075 Theoretically, if everything was identical, 139 00:06:17,158 --> 00:06:18,576 this should work. 140 00:06:19,452 --> 00:06:22,538 - Maybe I was missing something. - All right, good night. 141 00:06:23,956 --> 00:06:26,584 That's when I started to notice tension brewing 142 00:06:26,667 --> 00:06:28,252 in the fake relationships. 143 00:06:28,336 --> 00:06:30,671 I told you not to leave your cups like this. 144 00:06:31,339 --> 00:06:33,925 - I… Yes. - Which I assumed was based 145 00:06:34,008 --> 00:06:36,928 on what the actors had observed from the real couple. 146 00:06:37,011 --> 00:06:38,221 You need my help? 147 00:06:38,971 --> 00:06:40,556 No, it's okay. I got it. 148 00:06:41,474 --> 00:06:43,601 Just enjoy the movie. 149 00:06:44,268 --> 00:06:46,270 It seemed like certain subject matters 150 00:06:46,396 --> 00:06:49,857 were charged for Monique and Bogdan when Achilles was young. 151 00:06:49,941 --> 00:06:53,403 Back then, I was ready to have kids, but he wasn't ready to do that. 152 00:06:53,486 --> 00:06:55,613 So, I was like, "I'm getting a dog." 153 00:06:55,822 --> 00:06:58,825 I just knew that I needed to step back until he was ready, 154 00:06:58,908 --> 00:07:01,452 'cause I wasn't gonna just have a baby by myself. 155 00:07:06,082 --> 00:07:08,543 Well, I have to admit, I was… 156 00:07:10,128 --> 00:07:13,089 absolutely just devoted to work. 157 00:07:13,172 --> 00:07:16,300 And knowing how sensitive dogs are to emotions, 158 00:07:16,384 --> 00:07:19,595 I encouraged the actors to lean into their instincts 159 00:07:19,679 --> 00:07:22,140 to better capture the atmosphere in the house. 160 00:07:23,558 --> 00:07:24,976 Is this gonna be a regular thing? 161 00:07:26,018 --> 00:07:27,353 You coming home this late? 162 00:07:27,770 --> 00:07:30,481 - Don't start, Monique. I'm tired. - You're tired? 163 00:07:31,816 --> 00:07:32,984 I'm lonely. 164 00:07:33,067 --> 00:07:35,111 We're working on a new microprocessor. 165 00:07:35,194 --> 00:07:36,529 It's a big project. 166 00:07:36,779 --> 00:07:38,823 I would tell you something, but you wouldn't even understand. 167 00:07:41,534 --> 00:07:44,162 - I want a baby. - This again? 168 00:07:48,583 --> 00:07:50,668 You need to get a job. 169 00:07:51,794 --> 00:07:54,589 You have no structure. Your brain is going crazy. 170 00:07:55,131 --> 00:07:56,757 I'm a human being. 171 00:08:02,180 --> 00:08:03,473 I don't want to fight. 172 00:08:04,807 --> 00:08:05,850 Me neither. 173 00:08:18,321 --> 00:08:20,781 It's hard to know what, if any of this, 174 00:08:20,865 --> 00:08:22,825 had an effect on Achilles's development. 175 00:08:22,909 --> 00:08:24,035 Come. 176 00:08:24,202 --> 00:08:26,996 But it seemed like Zeus was registering something. 177 00:08:27,079 --> 00:08:29,832 No, wait. We're out of condoms. 178 00:08:30,333 --> 00:08:31,751 Oh, my God. 179 00:08:32,335 --> 00:08:35,463 I don't have time for this anyway. Me and the guys from Intel 180 00:08:35,546 --> 00:08:37,840 have tickets to see The Hangover Part II tonight. 181 00:08:37,924 --> 00:08:38,925 Whatever. 182 00:08:42,428 --> 00:08:44,263 Hey. Not too much water. 183 00:08:44,347 --> 00:08:48,309 And then, three days later, I witnessed something fascinating. 184 00:08:48,935 --> 00:08:50,186 Monique had mentioned 185 00:08:50,269 --> 00:08:53,314 that because Achilles had lived with two cats, 186 00:08:53,397 --> 00:08:55,399 he would end up mimicking their behavior. 187 00:08:55,483 --> 00:08:57,860 He learned by doing pretty much everything that they did. 188 00:08:58,194 --> 00:09:00,947 And like, he would just run along the top of the couch 189 00:09:01,030 --> 00:09:02,031 like the cats would. 190 00:09:02,406 --> 00:09:05,660 Which was something Zeus would watch our actor cats do, 191 00:09:05,743 --> 00:09:07,495 but had never done himself. 192 00:09:07,787 --> 00:09:11,582 - But then, this happened. - What if I did something with music? 193 00:09:12,124 --> 00:09:13,417 I've always loved it. 194 00:09:14,502 --> 00:09:18,589 - You don't play instruments. - I know, I know, but like a DJ. 195 00:09:18,839 --> 00:09:20,299 Come see, come see. 196 00:09:20,716 --> 00:09:22,843 Okay, so I would start with this song… 197 00:09:25,846 --> 00:09:29,392 I didn't think it meant much, but then when I showed Monique, 198 00:09:29,725 --> 00:09:31,936 - she got sort of emotional. - Oh, my goodness. 199 00:09:33,229 --> 00:09:35,314 This is almost like watching Achilles at home. 200 00:09:35,856 --> 00:09:36,857 Thank you. 201 00:09:37,608 --> 00:09:39,277 - Yes, this is amazing. - Thank you. 202 00:09:40,486 --> 00:09:42,154 - You okay? - Yeah, I'm good. 203 00:09:43,030 --> 00:09:46,492 If something scientific was actually happening here, 204 00:09:46,576 --> 00:09:49,704 it could be important. Because I had a theory 205 00:09:49,787 --> 00:09:53,165 about how all this could be applied to the pilot's mind. 206 00:09:53,249 --> 00:09:57,420 I've been banned from Tinder, Hinge, Bumble… 207 00:09:57,503 --> 00:09:59,714 Ever since I spent time with Jeff, 208 00:09:59,797 --> 00:10:02,508 I've been thinking more about airline captains 209 00:10:02,592 --> 00:10:04,260 and how they might be contributing 210 00:10:04,343 --> 00:10:06,637 to communication issues in the cockpit. 211 00:10:06,721 --> 00:10:08,514 I think part of the reason why I was banned 212 00:10:08,598 --> 00:10:12,977 was 'cause I… In my bio, I had "No T-girls." 213 00:10:13,269 --> 00:10:16,147 - No what? - T-girls? Like transsexuals? 214 00:10:16,731 --> 00:10:18,482 - In your what? - Because… In my bio. 215 00:10:18,608 --> 00:10:20,026 Like, I've been fooled 216 00:10:20,276 --> 00:10:22,612 multiple times by girls that were born men. 217 00:10:22,695 --> 00:10:25,531 It was hard to say if what I had experienced with Jeff 218 00:10:25,615 --> 00:10:28,200 was typical of airline captains. 219 00:10:28,284 --> 00:10:31,912 But in most of these crashes where communication was a factor, 220 00:10:32,079 --> 00:10:34,415 the captain had created an atmosphere 221 00:10:34,498 --> 00:10:37,209 where the first officer's opinion was unwelcome. 222 00:10:37,293 --> 00:10:38,961 Why are you holding power levers? 223 00:10:39,045 --> 00:10:41,631 I am pilot flying, idiot. I should be holding. 224 00:10:42,923 --> 00:10:45,926 But there was one captain I knew of that seemed different. 225 00:10:55,895 --> 00:10:59,357 US Airways Flight 1549 made an emergency landing 226 00:10:59,482 --> 00:11:01,108 this afternoon in the Hudson River… 227 00:11:01,233 --> 00:11:05,237 In 2009, US Airways Captain Sully Sullenberger 228 00:11:05,321 --> 00:11:08,407 safely landed a plane in New York's Hudson River, 229 00:11:08,491 --> 00:11:11,243 saving all 150 people on board 230 00:11:11,327 --> 00:11:14,163 after it was struck by a flock of birds. 231 00:11:14,705 --> 00:11:15,706 Birds. 232 00:11:15,790 --> 00:11:17,750 - Shit. - Yeah. 233 00:11:17,917 --> 00:11:21,170 But something else happened in that cockpit before impact 234 00:11:21,253 --> 00:11:22,838 that is less talked about, 235 00:11:22,922 --> 00:11:25,633 but perhaps more relevant to my interests. 236 00:11:25,716 --> 00:11:27,259 We've got both of them rolling back. 237 00:11:27,385 --> 00:11:29,261 - My aircraft. - Your aircraft. 238 00:11:29,345 --> 00:11:31,972 Captain Sully asked his first officer 239 00:11:32,139 --> 00:11:35,267 if he had any ideas on how to solve the problem. 240 00:11:35,351 --> 00:11:37,228 - Got any ideas? - Caution, terrain. 241 00:11:37,311 --> 00:11:39,480 - Actually, not. - Terrain. 242 00:11:39,772 --> 00:11:41,857 Here, the first officer didn't need 243 00:11:41,941 --> 00:11:43,359 - to overrule the captain… - Pull up. 244 00:11:43,442 --> 00:11:46,904 …because Sully invited feedback at a critical moment. 245 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,166 If other captains could have the instincts of Sully… 246 00:11:59,250 --> 00:12:01,544 - Right there is good. - …his personality, 247 00:12:02,837 --> 00:12:03,921 it's possible 248 00:12:04,004 --> 00:12:06,966 the entire aviation issue I've been obsessed with 249 00:12:07,049 --> 00:12:08,592 would vanish overnight. 250 00:12:13,055 --> 00:12:14,056 Going up. 251 00:12:20,646 --> 00:12:22,690 In Sully's memoir, he writes, 252 00:12:22,940 --> 00:12:26,026 "I've come to realize my journey to the Hudson River 253 00:12:26,110 --> 00:12:28,571 didn't begin at LaGuardia Airport." 254 00:12:30,156 --> 00:12:33,993 "It began decades before, in my childhood home." 255 00:12:35,077 --> 00:12:38,247 "My entire life led me safely to that river." 256 00:12:43,544 --> 00:12:47,548 What made him the captain he was wasn't his pilot training. 257 00:12:51,218 --> 00:12:53,637 It was living his entire life. 258 00:13:00,895 --> 00:13:04,940 Look, what you're about to witness is going to seem weird. 259 00:13:08,277 --> 00:13:10,362 Which is why I'm putting myself through it 260 00:13:10,446 --> 00:13:13,657 before I invite any real pilots to participate. 261 00:13:14,700 --> 00:13:18,078 But if a personality transfer can work on a dog, 262 00:13:19,455 --> 00:13:21,874 then maybe, just maybe… 263 00:13:25,836 --> 00:13:28,088 it could work on a human being. 264 00:13:37,431 --> 00:13:39,850 Living someone's entire life… 265 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,980 from baby until present day. 266 00:13:46,357 --> 00:13:50,194 If even just the tiniest bit of Sully could become a part of me, 267 00:13:51,195 --> 00:13:52,988 it would all be worth it. 268 00:13:55,866 --> 00:14:00,746 Sully was born in 1951 in the small town of Denison, Texas. 269 00:14:00,871 --> 00:14:03,290 Chesley! There's my baby boy. 270 00:14:03,582 --> 00:14:06,126 His mother, Pauline, was a first grade teacher. 271 00:14:07,086 --> 00:14:09,338 They had an extremely strong bond 272 00:14:09,421 --> 00:14:12,216 and some of his earliest memories were with her. 273 00:14:13,384 --> 00:14:15,636 "'Charlotte?' he said softly." 274 00:14:15,928 --> 00:14:18,806 "'Yes, Wilbur?' 'I don't want to die.'" 275 00:14:19,265 --> 00:14:20,724 "'Of course you don't,' said Charlotte." 276 00:14:20,808 --> 00:14:23,894 Experiencing the genesis of this bond was essential, 277 00:14:24,144 --> 00:14:25,729 as her influence on Sully 278 00:14:25,855 --> 00:14:28,858 factored into so much of the man he would become. 279 00:14:30,693 --> 00:14:33,988 She would be his very first passenger when he started flying, 280 00:14:34,446 --> 00:14:37,157 and they built a foundation of mutual trust 281 00:14:37,241 --> 00:14:38,951 that sustained a lifetime. 282 00:14:40,786 --> 00:14:42,079 A little boo-boo. 283 00:14:42,872 --> 00:14:46,208 It was difficult at first to inhabit the mind of a baby. 284 00:14:46,792 --> 00:14:49,211 I know so much more than babies do, 285 00:14:49,295 --> 00:14:51,922 and it can be hard to forget all that stuff. 286 00:14:55,259 --> 00:14:57,386 So, I tried not to think about the fact 287 00:14:57,511 --> 00:14:59,513 that I was a 41-year-old man, 288 00:14:59,763 --> 00:15:02,725 and just did my best to be present in the moment. 289 00:15:12,985 --> 00:15:17,239 I was playing the long game here, and I just had to trust the process. 290 00:15:19,450 --> 00:15:22,536 After all, this did work on a dog. 291 00:15:23,913 --> 00:15:25,122 Fuck. 292 00:15:25,748 --> 00:15:29,668 I obviously couldn't live Sully's entire life in real time, 293 00:15:29,877 --> 00:15:31,253 so I focused on the areas 294 00:15:31,337 --> 00:15:33,756 he considered formative in his memoir. 295 00:15:34,548 --> 00:15:35,591 Sully writes… 296 00:15:35,716 --> 00:15:37,843 I wasn't always the perfect older brother. 297 00:15:38,385 --> 00:15:40,095 When I was five and Mary was three, 298 00:15:40,179 --> 00:15:43,057 I once took her out to play in the gravel on Hanna Drive. 299 00:15:43,223 --> 00:15:45,351 Some of the stones were smaller than a pea, 300 00:15:45,434 --> 00:15:48,395 and I thought it'd be fun to feed these tiny stones to my sister. 301 00:15:53,609 --> 00:15:55,402 You should know better than that, Chesley. 302 00:15:55,527 --> 00:15:58,197 You're her protector. She needs you. 303 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,950 You need to take care of people in life, not hurt them. 304 00:16:02,952 --> 00:16:04,161 What happened out here? 305 00:16:04,495 --> 00:16:06,705 Chesley put rocks in his sister's mouth. 306 00:16:07,373 --> 00:16:09,166 What the hell is wrong with you, son? 307 00:16:16,715 --> 00:16:19,176 - Why don't you just talk to him? - I don't know what to say. 308 00:16:19,301 --> 00:16:21,011 My father and I were affectionate, 309 00:16:21,136 --> 00:16:24,014 and we were close in our own somewhat stiff way. 310 00:16:28,352 --> 00:16:29,353 Here. 311 00:16:30,521 --> 00:16:31,814 Play with this instead. 312 00:16:33,190 --> 00:16:35,317 We never shared a lot of personal feelings. 313 00:16:38,237 --> 00:16:39,863 We kept a lot to ourselves. 314 00:16:41,824 --> 00:16:43,200 Sweet baby. 315 00:16:53,127 --> 00:16:56,255 When Sully was 16, he learned how to fly. 316 00:16:57,673 --> 00:17:02,011 He paid for the lessons with a job working as a janitor at his church, 317 00:17:02,094 --> 00:17:05,222 where his high school crush Carole sang in the choir. 318 00:17:05,931 --> 00:17:08,767 She was quiet, similar to me in that way. 319 00:17:09,685 --> 00:17:13,022 And so it was often difficult keeping conversations going with her. 320 00:17:13,522 --> 00:17:14,690 Hi, Sully. 321 00:17:15,482 --> 00:17:16,608 Hi, Carole. 322 00:17:21,530 --> 00:17:22,823 I like your dress. 323 00:17:23,741 --> 00:17:24,867 Thank you. 324 00:17:31,832 --> 00:17:33,667 You been to the movies lately? 325 00:17:34,460 --> 00:17:35,919 I don't like movies much. 326 00:17:36,962 --> 00:17:39,548 Sully writes that he took a flight with Carole 327 00:17:39,631 --> 00:17:42,843 that turned out to be a pivotal moment in his development. 328 00:17:43,093 --> 00:17:44,470 Here's your seatbelt. 329 00:17:45,554 --> 00:17:46,680 Safety first. 330 00:17:46,972 --> 00:17:50,768 So, it was critical I experienced the exact same feelings he did. 331 00:17:51,185 --> 00:17:55,647 Picture me, 17 years old, with this pretty girl next to me, 332 00:17:55,939 --> 00:18:00,486 her leg touching mine for two hours, my arm rubbing against her arm. 333 00:18:00,611 --> 00:18:03,655 I could smell her perfume, or maybe it was her shampoo. 334 00:18:04,323 --> 00:18:05,324 Look. 335 00:18:05,407 --> 00:18:09,078 Once in a while she'd lean over me, her hair brushing against my arm. 336 00:18:09,495 --> 00:18:10,913 It was a new experience for me, 337 00:18:10,996 --> 00:18:14,541 realizing that flying could be such a sensual experience. 338 00:18:15,125 --> 00:18:17,169 The way Sully writes about this flight, 339 00:18:17,503 --> 00:18:19,088 it was clear he was aroused. 340 00:18:19,421 --> 00:18:21,507 But he says this experience taught him 341 00:18:21,590 --> 00:18:23,842 an essential skill for a pilot, 342 00:18:24,176 --> 00:18:26,053 how to compartmentalize. 343 00:18:26,345 --> 00:18:30,849 He had to balance his sexual desires with the safety of the flight. 344 00:18:31,141 --> 00:18:33,602 The problem was I was too uncomfortable 345 00:18:33,685 --> 00:18:35,020 to actually get aroused 346 00:18:35,104 --> 00:18:37,606 with a professional actress right beside me. 347 00:18:38,398 --> 00:18:42,361 After all, this wasn't a performance for you, the viewer. 348 00:18:42,444 --> 00:18:43,862 It was an experience for me. 349 00:18:44,238 --> 00:18:47,741 Okay. I think you should leave now for that thing we talked about. 350 00:18:48,283 --> 00:18:52,412 So, at a key moment in the flight, I had the actress exit the plane 351 00:18:52,496 --> 00:18:55,415 and swapped her with a robot version of Carole. 352 00:18:56,125 --> 00:18:59,753 Then, I had my crew mount all the cameras on tripods 353 00:18:59,837 --> 00:19:01,547 and exit the warehouse completely 354 00:19:01,672 --> 00:19:04,591 to avoid any legal issues that may stem 355 00:19:04,675 --> 00:19:06,260 from what I was about to do. 356 00:19:08,428 --> 00:19:10,389 I'm not gonna show you everything, 357 00:19:10,472 --> 00:19:14,476 but I basically just masturbated in the plane while trying to fly it. 358 00:19:18,188 --> 00:19:20,190 The challenge of focusing on a task 359 00:19:20,274 --> 00:19:23,277 when your body is indulging in its most primal urges 360 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:24,653 was really tough. 361 00:19:25,279 --> 00:19:26,947 But I eventually got there, 362 00:19:27,030 --> 00:19:29,533 and just like I assumed Sully had done, 363 00:19:29,616 --> 00:19:32,828 I was able to ignore my erection in order to fly. 364 00:19:33,745 --> 00:19:36,665 Stand up straight! Suck your gut in! 365 00:19:37,416 --> 00:19:42,296 Push your chest out! Get those shoulders back and down! 366 00:19:45,591 --> 00:19:48,093 You think you've done a good job polishing your shoes? 367 00:19:48,177 --> 00:19:50,012 - Sir, yes, sir. - Both shoes? 368 00:19:50,637 --> 00:19:53,307 - Sir, the right and the layuft, sir. - The layuft? 369 00:19:53,849 --> 00:19:56,727 Looks like we got ourselves a Southern boy here. 370 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,151 Dirks! What is your thumb doing in your pocket? 371 00:20:04,985 --> 00:20:08,906 I noticed that accomplished people on TV, especially newscasters, 372 00:20:08,989 --> 00:20:12,075 enunciated perfectly and seemed to have no real accents. 373 00:20:12,159 --> 00:20:14,286 British Field Marshal Lord Montgomery said, 374 00:20:14,369 --> 00:20:17,414 "I am very distressed. I want to be left alone now." 375 00:20:18,624 --> 00:20:20,667 "I waunt to be layft alone now." 376 00:20:22,252 --> 00:20:24,463 "I want to be leyft alone now." 377 00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:26,381 I tried to sound more like them 378 00:20:26,506 --> 00:20:28,508 and less like some of the people in my town 379 00:20:28,592 --> 00:20:30,260 who had thick Texas accents. 380 00:20:30,344 --> 00:20:31,470 "Left." 381 00:20:33,513 --> 00:20:34,598 "Left." 382 00:20:35,224 --> 00:20:38,018 But the more of Sully's life I experienced, 383 00:20:38,143 --> 00:20:42,522 the more I wondered why he included some of these moments in his book, 384 00:20:42,689 --> 00:20:45,359 and why certain things would be left out. 385 00:20:46,401 --> 00:20:49,905 There was a near complete omission of his first marriage, 386 00:20:50,155 --> 00:20:53,367 and for some reason, he jumped straight to the second one. 387 00:20:53,450 --> 00:20:55,577 - I, Lorrie… - Take you, Chesley… 388 00:20:55,869 --> 00:20:58,038 - Take you, Chesley… - To be my husband… 389 00:20:58,121 --> 00:21:00,999 But I had no choice but to stick to what he wrote, 390 00:21:01,250 --> 00:21:05,212 because this was the only guide I had to what his life was actually like. 391 00:21:05,295 --> 00:21:06,546 …and of the Holy Spirit. 392 00:21:06,755 --> 00:21:09,800 It would be so nice if they gave you your schedule months in advance. 393 00:21:09,883 --> 00:21:12,886 Can you imagine? We could plan a vacation. 394 00:21:12,970 --> 00:21:18,267 At times, I felt trapped in scenarios that seemed deliberately incomplete. 395 00:21:18,475 --> 00:21:19,810 Any time with you is fun. 396 00:21:21,645 --> 00:21:23,730 Lorrie, if something's not a problem, 397 00:21:23,814 --> 00:21:25,857 why do we need to talk about it so much? 398 00:21:27,025 --> 00:21:28,151 Right. 399 00:21:29,236 --> 00:21:30,821 I'm just sharing my thoughts with you. 400 00:21:30,904 --> 00:21:34,116 It seemed as though he was trying to present himself as someone 401 00:21:34,199 --> 00:21:38,412 with challenges that were relatable, but never more than he could handle. 402 00:21:38,495 --> 00:21:41,957 Just remember, life isn't a checklist. 403 00:21:42,958 --> 00:21:44,459 I'm just trying to be efficient. 404 00:21:45,335 --> 00:21:46,712 But I kept going. 405 00:21:46,795 --> 00:21:49,840 And as I lived through heavier moments in his life, 406 00:21:50,090 --> 00:21:52,342 I felt something happening within me. 407 00:21:52,426 --> 00:21:55,012 When did you want to do the memorial? 408 00:21:56,054 --> 00:21:58,432 There are some things I wanna say about Dad. 409 00:22:00,392 --> 00:22:03,770 I had a chance to say everything I needed to say to him 410 00:22:03,854 --> 00:22:05,188 when he was alive. 411 00:22:07,524 --> 00:22:08,900 We don't need a memorial. 412 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,829 As Sully, I wanted to talk about my feelings. 413 00:22:26,293 --> 00:22:29,546 But everything I knew was telling me I couldn't. 414 00:22:32,341 --> 00:22:35,510 In his writings, Sully was careful to stop short 415 00:22:35,594 --> 00:22:38,805 of implying his emotions ever got the best of him. 416 00:22:38,972 --> 00:22:41,058 He suggests he's never cried, 417 00:22:41,141 --> 00:22:43,894 even in the most emotional moments of his life. 418 00:22:44,394 --> 00:22:46,188 He keeps using phrases like 419 00:22:46,563 --> 00:22:50,484 "I found ways to cope" without getting into specifics. 420 00:22:50,984 --> 00:22:54,154 The words "cope" and "deal with" actually show up 421 00:22:54,237 --> 00:22:58,867 over 15 times in his book without referring to a method of how. 422 00:22:59,701 --> 00:23:02,037 And I had a suspicion as to why. 423 00:23:03,413 --> 00:23:06,124 One of the nights when the pilots were at my bar, 424 00:23:06,249 --> 00:23:07,876 a captain shared with me 425 00:23:07,959 --> 00:23:10,462 that when a pilot talks about their feelings, 426 00:23:10,545 --> 00:23:12,381 they need to be very careful. 427 00:23:12,506 --> 00:23:16,843 Pilots are genuinely intimidated 428 00:23:17,219 --> 00:23:20,138 to talk to anybody, healthcare professional, 429 00:23:20,222 --> 00:23:22,474 in any way that it could get to the FAA about, 430 00:23:22,557 --> 00:23:24,059 "Hey, I've been feeling this," 431 00:23:24,142 --> 00:23:25,560 or especially like mental health stuff. 432 00:23:25,644 --> 00:23:28,605 Like, "I've been struggling with this." Because historically, 433 00:23:28,688 --> 00:23:30,565 if you put something on a medical application 434 00:23:30,649 --> 00:23:33,527 or if you talk to a doctor or the FAA finds out about things, 435 00:23:33,610 --> 00:23:35,153 they can just revoke your medical certificate. 436 00:23:35,278 --> 00:23:36,696 And as soon as your medical certificate 437 00:23:36,780 --> 00:23:37,948 is revoked, you are grounded. 438 00:23:38,740 --> 00:23:40,117 Could this be why Sully 439 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,702 was always talking around his feelings? 440 00:23:43,370 --> 00:23:44,955 He didn't want to publish anything 441 00:23:45,038 --> 00:23:47,582 that could get him in trouble with the FAA. 442 00:23:48,333 --> 00:23:51,169 He was forced to portray himself as a man 443 00:23:51,253 --> 00:23:53,547 who could magically cope with everything. 444 00:23:54,548 --> 00:23:57,134 And I found myself starting to read his writings 445 00:23:57,426 --> 00:23:59,219 as a code of sorts. 446 00:23:59,970 --> 00:24:04,349 So, to get closer to the truth, I began inventing situations 447 00:24:04,433 --> 00:24:08,103 that he probably experienced but never actually claimed to. 448 00:24:08,186 --> 00:24:11,231 Hey. Thanks, Doc. I feel so much better. 449 00:24:11,857 --> 00:24:13,066 See you next week. 450 00:24:16,278 --> 00:24:17,279 Sir? 451 00:24:17,529 --> 00:24:19,698 I have an opening right now if you'd like to try a session out. 452 00:24:20,824 --> 00:24:21,908 I'm all right. 453 00:24:22,742 --> 00:24:25,328 What would a guy like Sully do to cope? 454 00:24:25,412 --> 00:24:26,413 Here we go. 455 00:24:28,498 --> 00:24:29,499 Yeah. 456 00:24:29,624 --> 00:24:31,668 Come on, man. My man, on it, my man. 457 00:24:35,297 --> 00:24:37,757 Hey, Sully. Forget airplanes. 458 00:24:38,049 --> 00:24:40,218 You want something that's gonna help you really fly? 459 00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:48,518 I can't do that. 460 00:24:49,394 --> 00:24:50,687 And I'm gonna have to report you guys 461 00:24:50,770 --> 00:24:54,441 for violating FAR 91.17 Alcohol and Drug regulations. 462 00:24:55,108 --> 00:24:57,486 So, now you're gonna rat us out? What about the pilot's code? 463 00:24:58,445 --> 00:24:59,821 My only code is safety. 464 00:25:00,947 --> 00:25:02,449 Fuck you, Sully. 465 00:25:04,075 --> 00:25:05,452 Well, more for me. 466 00:25:05,577 --> 00:25:08,622 But I kept thinking about something Sully wrote. 467 00:25:09,289 --> 00:25:10,999 After his father's death, 468 00:25:11,082 --> 00:25:14,002 he started referencing bands and songs he liked 469 00:25:14,169 --> 00:25:15,420 for the first time. 470 00:25:15,504 --> 00:25:17,881 I think of my father when I hear Sheryl Crow sing 471 00:25:17,964 --> 00:25:21,051 - "Soak Up the Sun." - It was an odd connection to make 472 00:25:21,426 --> 00:25:25,263 since Sully's dad died well before that song was even released. 473 00:25:26,264 --> 00:25:27,933 But I noticed a pattern forming. 474 00:25:28,975 --> 00:25:32,145 Sully never referenced popular music once in his book 475 00:25:32,229 --> 00:25:33,980 until 2002, 476 00:25:34,272 --> 00:25:37,734 when he was 51 years old, and coincidentally… 477 00:25:38,860 --> 00:25:41,738 just months after the iPod was released. 478 00:25:54,209 --> 00:25:56,086 It fits a thousand songs? 479 00:25:56,795 --> 00:25:58,547 I don't even think I can name five songs. 480 00:25:59,005 --> 00:26:01,675 Well, maybe it's time to increase your dosage. 481 00:26:01,758 --> 00:26:03,593 There's no medicine more powerful than music. 482 00:26:04,636 --> 00:26:06,596 A lot of people into music these days, huh? 483 00:26:07,055 --> 00:26:08,265 Yeah, it's everything, man. 484 00:26:10,684 --> 00:26:12,477 All right, what the heck. I'll take one. 485 00:26:24,573 --> 00:26:26,241 After his father's death, 486 00:26:26,533 --> 00:26:30,579 the word "iPod" began showing up constantly in his book. 487 00:26:31,204 --> 00:26:33,373 With unlimited access to music, 488 00:26:33,665 --> 00:26:36,042 it felt to me that for the first time, 489 00:26:36,167 --> 00:26:39,629 he had a way to understand his feelings through lyrics. 490 00:26:39,838 --> 00:26:42,257 I'm gonna soak up the sun… 491 00:26:42,340 --> 00:26:44,759 My dad lived a line from that Sheryl Crow song. 492 00:26:45,176 --> 00:26:48,138 "It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got." 493 00:26:49,848 --> 00:26:54,436 But the one band he mentions more than any other is Evanescence. 494 00:26:54,894 --> 00:26:57,939 And living as him, I could understand why. 495 00:26:58,398 --> 00:27:04,029 How can you see into my eyes… 496 00:27:04,154 --> 00:27:07,073 The lyrics to their hit song, "Bring Me to Life," 497 00:27:07,157 --> 00:27:10,493 was described by the songwriter as a cry for help. 498 00:27:11,244 --> 00:27:14,164 It was about no longer hiding your true self, 499 00:27:14,247 --> 00:27:18,418 - as imperfect as it may be. - I've become so numb 500 00:27:18,501 --> 00:27:19,544 Wake me up 501 00:27:19,628 --> 00:27:22,088 - Wake me up inside - I can't wake up 502 00:27:22,172 --> 00:27:24,591 - Wake me up inside - Save me 503 00:27:24,674 --> 00:27:28,928 Call my name And save me from the dark 504 00:27:29,012 --> 00:27:31,139 - Wake me up - Bid my blood to run 505 00:27:31,222 --> 00:27:33,558 - I can't wake up - Before I come undone 506 00:27:33,642 --> 00:27:34,809 Save me 507 00:27:34,893 --> 00:27:39,522 Save me From the nothing I've become 508 00:27:39,606 --> 00:27:42,317 - Birds. - Shit. 509 00:27:42,984 --> 00:27:45,779 Is it possible that Evanescence taught Sully 510 00:27:45,862 --> 00:27:48,948 that it's okay not to be perfect and ask for help 511 00:27:49,032 --> 00:27:51,409 just in time for his fateful flight? 512 00:27:51,493 --> 00:27:53,620 Cactus 1539. Hit birds. 513 00:27:53,703 --> 00:27:57,082 We lost thrust in both engines. We're turning back towards LaGuardia. 514 00:27:57,165 --> 00:28:00,460 When you listen to the cockpit audio from Sully's crash, 515 00:28:00,585 --> 00:28:04,673 there's one long stretch of silence I find particularly interesting. 516 00:28:04,756 --> 00:28:06,925 Okay, which runway would you like at Teterboro? 517 00:28:08,426 --> 00:28:09,511 We're gonna be in the Hudson. 518 00:28:09,886 --> 00:28:13,390 At 28 seconds past 3:29 p.m., 519 00:28:13,682 --> 00:28:15,475 Sully announces the decision 520 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,894 to attempt a landing in the Hudson River. 521 00:28:17,977 --> 00:28:19,604 Okay, let's get the flaps out. Put the flaps out. 522 00:28:20,063 --> 00:28:21,189 Flaps out? 523 00:28:21,481 --> 00:28:24,359 But when the co-pilot tries to confirm the direction 524 00:28:24,442 --> 00:28:27,487 to put the flaps out, Sully doesn't respond. 525 00:28:28,446 --> 00:28:29,864 The co-pilot proceeds 526 00:28:29,948 --> 00:28:31,700 - to put out the flaps anyways… - Terrain. 527 00:28:31,783 --> 00:28:32,867 …which create drag 528 00:28:32,951 --> 00:28:34,369 - to slow down the plane. - Pull up. 529 00:28:35,412 --> 00:28:36,579 This is the beginning 530 00:28:36,663 --> 00:28:41,209 of a 23-second stretch of silence where Sully doesn't say a word. 531 00:28:41,292 --> 00:28:42,961 You also got Newark Airport… 532 00:28:43,044 --> 00:28:46,005 Even though air traffic control and his co-pilot 533 00:28:46,089 --> 00:28:47,632 are both trying to talk to him. 534 00:28:47,716 --> 00:28:50,427 - Hundred and seventy knots. - Too low, terrain… 535 00:28:50,552 --> 00:28:53,722 - No power on either one. - Without cockpit video, 536 00:28:53,972 --> 00:28:58,768 we can't be sure what Sully was doing during those mysterious 23 seconds 537 00:28:58,852 --> 00:29:01,479 before he asked his first officer for help. 538 00:29:01,604 --> 00:29:02,897 Got any ideas? 539 00:29:03,022 --> 00:29:05,358 - Caution, terrain. - Actually, not. 540 00:29:05,442 --> 00:29:08,486 - Terrain, terrain… - But after the crash, 541 00:29:08,570 --> 00:29:12,782 Sully's iPod was discovered submerged in the flooded cockpit, 542 00:29:12,866 --> 00:29:14,701 which he confirms in his book. 543 00:29:21,082 --> 00:29:22,792 Okay, which runway would you like at Teterboro? 544 00:29:22,876 --> 00:29:24,169 We're gonna be in the Hudson. 545 00:29:24,252 --> 00:29:27,464 It might be nothing, or just a hunch I have 546 00:29:27,547 --> 00:29:29,424 from living as him for so long… 547 00:29:29,507 --> 00:29:32,177 - Okay, flaps out, put the flaps out. - Flaps out? 548 00:29:32,260 --> 00:29:35,388 But the chorus to Evanescence's "Bring Me to Life" 549 00:29:35,472 --> 00:29:39,934 just happens to be exactly 23 seconds long. 550 00:29:41,936 --> 00:29:43,354 - Pull… - Wake me up 551 00:29:43,438 --> 00:29:45,857 - Wake me up inside - I can't wake up 552 00:29:45,940 --> 00:29:47,150 - Wake me up inside - Too low… 553 00:29:47,233 --> 00:29:48,693 Save me 554 00:29:48,777 --> 00:29:50,111 Two hundred and fifty feet in the air. 555 00:29:50,195 --> 00:29:52,572 Call my name And save me from the dark 556 00:29:52,655 --> 00:29:54,407 - Wake me up - Bid my blood to run 557 00:29:54,491 --> 00:29:55,825 Got no power on either one. 558 00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:57,452 - Too low… - Before I come undone 559 00:29:57,494 --> 00:29:58,745 Save me 560 00:29:58,870 --> 00:30:03,416 Save me from the nothing I've become… 561 00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:06,669 Caution, terrain. Caution, terrain. 562 00:30:06,961 --> 00:30:10,590 - Caution, terrain. Caution, terrain. - Got any ideas? 563 00:30:10,757 --> 00:30:12,008 Caution, terrain. 564 00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:14,511 - Actually, not. - Terrain, terrain. 565 00:30:15,386 --> 00:30:16,763 Pull up… 566 00:30:27,982 --> 00:30:29,400 Nice landing, Cap. 567 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,365 Hey. When they ask us about what happened, 568 00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:37,158 maybe don't mention… 569 00:30:41,496 --> 00:30:42,747 Pilot's code. 570 00:30:45,291 --> 00:30:47,502 - Pilot's code. - Clear! 571 00:30:47,877 --> 00:30:49,546 - Blood pressure? - 122 over 78. 572 00:30:49,712 --> 00:30:52,048 We all want pilots to be perfect, 573 00:30:52,590 --> 00:30:54,634 but maybe in some instances, 574 00:30:54,717 --> 00:30:57,512 we actually want them to know that they're not. 575 00:31:03,852 --> 00:31:05,728 It doesn't mean you're a failure 576 00:31:05,812 --> 00:31:09,607 just because you can't get a dog to react to a diabetic attack 577 00:31:09,732 --> 00:31:12,277 after four straight months of trying. 578 00:31:14,946 --> 00:31:18,074 It's okay to admit that you can't do everything. 579 00:31:22,579 --> 00:31:26,165 Maybe every captain needs to find their own Evanescence, 580 00:31:26,624 --> 00:31:28,543 whatever form that takes. 581 00:31:29,502 --> 00:31:32,547 When the FAA eliminates so many options, 582 00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:34,507 there's no easy path. 583 00:31:35,758 --> 00:31:38,511 Out of any group of real people we've reached out to 584 00:31:38,595 --> 00:31:40,346 to be on one of my shows, 585 00:31:40,847 --> 00:31:44,058 to my surprise, we had the highest response rate 586 00:31:44,225 --> 00:31:45,643 from professional pilots. 587 00:31:45,727 --> 00:31:49,522 - It is a lonely life on the road. - And more often than not, 588 00:31:49,606 --> 00:31:52,191 they were less interested in talking about aviation 589 00:31:52,567 --> 00:31:54,068 and more about themselves. 590 00:31:54,277 --> 00:31:56,738 I spent a lot of time this year trying to like… 591 00:31:57,989 --> 00:32:01,910 figure out why I was so stressed all the time. 592 00:32:02,035 --> 00:32:04,495 Yeah, she was… I've been doing a lot of reading, 593 00:32:04,579 --> 00:32:06,372 the typical narcissist mother type of thing… 594 00:32:06,497 --> 00:32:07,540 I've kind of always known 595 00:32:07,624 --> 00:32:09,250 there was something wrong with me, even as a kid. 596 00:32:09,375 --> 00:32:12,378 The divorce was really tough, and I lost everything. 597 00:32:12,503 --> 00:32:14,547 Was I too hard-headed? 598 00:32:14,631 --> 00:32:17,926 Was I trying too hard to be the drill sergeant? 599 00:32:18,009 --> 00:32:20,720 I've gotten really good at compartmentalizing. 600 00:32:20,803 --> 00:32:23,765 - And, you know… - After the interviews ended, 601 00:32:24,140 --> 00:32:27,810 many kept following up and wanted to talk again. 602 00:32:27,894 --> 00:32:29,395 You're like my therapist now. 603 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,357 Even just talking about this stuff, it's like… it's nice, you know? 604 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,652 I'm not sure what it means, but it's interesting.